Why are democrats voting to save santos?

[Fullduplexxx]

[Wingus Dingus]

1. I guess they're rubbing him in the GOPers' faces? Hanging him around

their necks? I don't know.

[JackCoop]

49. Bingo !!!

[LonePirate]

2. He's anchor tied to NY Republicans bringing them down.

They are looking forward to the 2024 campaign by keeping him around.

[EarnestPutz]

3. My opinion is that this is a bad move. It's cynical and I can't see how cynicism helps us.

[DemocraticPatriot]

21. Yes.

[Bluethroughu]

51. Get him out!

[Abnredleg]

4. They Think it Would Set a Bad Precedent

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No Representative has been expelled without a criminal conviction since the Civil War. Allowing this would create a new weapon in the political wars.

Plus it’ll help us win the seat in 2024.

[Deuxcents]

5. Hmmm..best explanation I've heard

[yardwork]

11. That makes sense.

[TheBlackAdder]

17. I have the cynical thought that Repubs, ie. Johnson, are also bringing up the vote because he's gay.

[DemocraticPatriot]

22. He is very obviously GUILTY of LYING about just about

EVERYTHING!!!

Democrats voting against his expulsion is NOT a good thing...

[stopdiggin]

31. solid answer

legally, and from an institution perspective - and then also politically and strategically

[sheshe2]

34. I'll just drop this here.

Al Franken.

I know, Senate and not Congress, however, he dropped out, under pressure, over a photograph.

[a kennedy]

45. AND I'M STILL SO PISSED ABOUT IT.

sooooo sorry for yelling, but I am still just so pissed. I just miss my Senator so much.

[sheshe2]

47. No need to apologize to me.💙

[dchill]

53. We ALL miss him!

[DoBW]

6. Wierdness

same day 23 Republicans voting with Democrats to kill dumbass Greene's censure measure against Rashida Tlaib... go figure

[Polybius]

7. Probably because being expelled is reserved for the utmost criminals

Hasn't happened in 160 years.

[angrychair]

18. No, 2 House members have

In the last 50 years. Both Democrats.
Michael Myers in 1980 for accepting a bribe (ABSCAM)
James Traficant in 2002 after being convicted of multiple crimes, bribery, racketeering and tax evasion.

[DemocraticPatriot]

23. Most of the Repubican caucus are the "utmost criminals"---

SO it should have happened a lot goddamned sooner,

and the REST of them are HIGH on the list!

[edisdead]

8. Why are we required to rescue the tepublicans?

[Kaleva]

9. He's innocent until proven guilty in a court of law

[DemocraticPatriot]

25. Because he scored 4 touchdowns against Notre Dame ???

(at least that's one of the things that he said... right ??)


His lies to his constituents are so goddamn obvious,
YEAH--- he is entitled to a jury trial before he gets put into jail---


but the House of Representatives is not held to such a standard as
"beyond a reasonable doubt"---
they are not a court....

God knows I suspected that they would never try to kick him out,
because they are all a pack of criminals...

[Kaleva]

44. Shouldn't we leave the matter up to his constituents ?

If that's all that people have on him to date?

[canetoad]

10. Here are the 31 Democratic House members who voted to keep Santos in Congress

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4288745-31-democrats-vote-keep-santos-congress/

Rep. Collin Allred (Texas)
Rep. Jake Auchincloss (Mass.)
Rep. Ed Case (Hawaii)
Rep. Emmanuel Cleaver (Mo.)
Rep. Henry Cuellar (Texas)
Rep. Sharice Davids (Kan.)
Rep. Chris Deluzio (Penn.)
Rep. Lizzie Fletcher (Texas)
Rep. Jared Golden (Maine)
Rep. Jim Himes (Conn.)
Rep. Steven Horsford (Nev.)
Rep. Jeff Jackson (N.C.)
Rep. Hank Johnson (Ga.)
Rep. Rick Larsen (Wash.)
Rep. Susie Lee (Nev.)
Rep. Zoe Lofgren (Calif.)
Rep. Seth Magaziner (R.I.)
Rep. Morgan McGarvey (Ky.)
Rep. Rob Menendez (N.J.)
Rep. Gwen Moore (Wis.)
Rep. Marie Perez (Wash.)
Rep. Katie Porter (Calif.)
Rep. Jamie Raskin (Md.)
Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger (Md.)
Rep. Brad Schneider (Ill.)
Rep. Kim Schrier (Wash.)
Rep. Bobby Scott (Va.)
Rep. Elissa Slotkin (Mich.)
Rep. Mark Takano (Calif.)
Rep. Rashida Tlaib (Mich.)
Rep. Nikema Williams (Ga.)

[Cha]

12. Tlaib, Katie Porter, and Raskin! I see some of those

are Swing Districts.. but I would like to know what the Dems are thinking.

I see the Leader Jeffries didn't vote NO.

TY, cane!

[canetoad]

14. That's the very reason

I went looking for the list Cha.

Still, there are some well respected Dem leaders on the list - Lofgren, Raskin, Katie Porter. They must have had their reasons.

[NoRethugFriends]

52. Yes. Raskin explains

[link:https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/raskin-argues-expelling-santos-would-have-set-a-terrible-precedent/ar-AA1jhgZm|

[Qutzupalotl]

61. This deserves its own thread!

”This would be a terrible precedent to set, expelling people who have not been convicted of a crime and without internal due process. If and when Santos is convicted of these serious criminal offenses or ethics charges, I will certainly vote to expel him,” he said.

[EarnestPutz]

64. I've got to retract my earlier comment, #3 above, that the Dems vote was cynical. Raskin's comment....

….is exactly right. We don’t want expulsion from Congress to become the Repubs’ favorite new tool to waste time and fuck things up. Second favorite, actually, after impeaching President Biden. I stand corrected. I want the little dickweed gone as much as anyone, but replaced by a Democrat asap.

[sheshe2]

33. One of the Reps is mine.

[Cha]

35. Jake Auchincloss.. there's one from

Hawaii but different Islands... Ed Case.

The new Rep for our Island Jill Tokuda voted Yes .. and she was Endorse by the progressive Caucus but I haven't seen her making a waves.

I read that there were those who felt a Congress person shouldn't be expelled until they were convicted.

I saw some pics of Santos, while I was researching to find out who voted Yes(couldn't find anything), and he looked like a little satisfied smug pig.. Sorry Pigs.!

Can't wait till that gets wiped off his face.

[sheshe2]

36. Here is the list, Cha.

Rep. Collin Allred (Texas)
Rep. Jake Auchincloss (Mass.)
Rep. Ed Case (Hawaii)
Rep. Emmanuel Cleaver (Mo.)
Rep. Henry Cuellar (Texas)
Rep. Sharice Davids (Kan.)
Rep. Chris Deluzio (Penn.)
Rep. Lizzie Fletcher (Texas)
Rep. Jared Golden (Maine)
Rep. Jim Himes (Conn.)
Rep. Steven Horsford (Nev.)
Rep. Jeff Jackson (N.C.)
Rep. Hank Johnson (Ga.)
Rep. Rick Larsen (Wash.)
Rep. Susie Lee (Nev.)
Rep. Zoe Lofgren (Calif.)
Rep. Seth Magaziner (R.I.)
Rep. Morgan McGarvey (Ky.)
Rep. Rob Menendez (N.J.)
Rep. Gwen Moore (Wis.)
Rep. Marie Perez (Wash.)
Rep. Katie Porter (Calif.)
Rep. Jamie Raskin (Md.)
Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger (Md.)
Rep. Brad Schneider (Ill.)
Rep. Kim Schrier (Wash.)
Rep. Bobby Scott (Va.)
Rep. Elissa Slotkin (Mich.)
Rep. Mark Takano (Calif.)
Rep. Rashida Tlaib (Mich.)
Rep. Nikema Williams (Ga.)

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4288745-31-democrats-vote-keep-santos-congress/

[Cha]

39. I saw that from canetoad.. I was looking for the List

of those Dems who Voted YES.

[GuppyGal]

13. Of course Mendez is on that list LOL

[DemocraticPatriot]

19. Better that they abstained, than make that vote.....

[DemocraticPatriot]

26. This is BAD.... Democrats abandon the standard of law,

with this vote......


yeah, they might prefer to have Santos to kick around for a while longer,

but they abandon 'the high ground' on this

[bottomofthehill]

42. The standard of law

There is a process issue here. Santos is a fucking dirtblk but he has yet to be convicted in a court of law and the HouseEthics Committee has not finished its investigation. A lot of these Democrats are process democrats. There should be a process in place and followed.

[muriel_volestrangler]

62. He admitted to theft in Brazil from a shopkeeper, and was fined a few thousand dollars

He got his due process. He's a known crook, and so some Democrats voted to keep a known Republican crook in the House. Most Democrats got the decision right, though.

[UTUSN]

15. Worse are the spineless ones who saved him. Oh well prison is his best justice.

[SKKY]

16. Because Dems are finally leaning to think about this stuff strategically...

...Dems are going to let the NY candidates hang Santos around the neck of NY Republicans and use it to flip the house. It's worth mentioning none of those voting against expelling Santos are in NY. It's actually quite smart and gives me a good bit of hope for next November.

[DemocraticPatriot]

20. So the MSM can say "Democrats voted to keep a Republican liar

in the house".


Sorry, I don't see it....

Better that they didn't vote at all, and let the GQP try to clean their own house,
than vote to prevent it....

[NutmegYankee]

43. Didn't make a difference in the end.

It takes 2/3rds to expel a member.

[totodeinhere]

24. Most Democrats voted to expel him. n/t

[DemocraticPatriot]

27. I should hope so,

but my Representative voted against it.... god know why...

[totodeinhere]

28. You could call your rep's office and ask why. n/t

[DemocraticPatriot]

30. That's probably a good idea,

since she is now a candidate for the U.S. Senate........

[stopdiggin]

29. Probably because neither the trial nor the ethics investigation is complete

Due process and all that.

[DemocraticPatriot]

32. None of Trump's trials are "complete" either,

but common sense tells most of us that the son of a bitch is GUILTY....

[stopdiggin]

38. true that. and I do recognize there's a difference

between a court of law and and 'in house' discipline issue. (although in this case the 'discipline' proposed is at the far extreme end)

Actually - I think post #4 does a better job with their answer than I did.

[Cha]

40. Agree.

[Frasier Balzov]

37. To keep Bowen Yang churning out the funny.

[DET]

41. I Trust Jamie Raskin

He must have had a good reason for his vote - although I have no idea what it is.

[spooky3]

56. He said he was concerned it would set a precedent of not

Waiting for a conviction (sort of the Al Franken problem).

https://x.com/7veritas4/status/1720008499994739054

[Emile]

58. I trust Jamie Raskin and Katie Porter's decision too.

[maxrandb]

46. JFC! Only 24 fucking Retrumplicans voted to expel him. Let's blame Dems?

I am so fucking sick of this fucking game.

Why didn't Dems support McCarthy?

Why didn't Dems stop the Supreme Court from wrecking our individual freedoms?

Why didn't Dems do this?

Why didn't Dems do that?

"Dems coulda', Dems shoulda', Dems oughta'"....

And to be clear, I am not directing my rant at the OP.

American voters selected the Retrumplican morons to the majority.

Asking why Dems don't "save us", is like giving Superman a kryptonite neckless and then complaining that he didn't stop the train.

There is only ONE way to stop this march toward fascism, and that's for the American voters to rise up and scream "we've had enough of Retrumplican fascism."

[DZC]

48. Why Keep Him?

Simple He has only a year to go before re-election right?

It is a 99% sure thing he will be voted out,
He won't get primaried out because Trump supports him, so he will be in the general.
So should be an easy seat to flip.

[former9thward]

50. He is being primaried.

There are three Rs running against him right now and there might be more. He will lose the primary and so a new R will be in the general election. From what I can tell from looking at the candidates any will be far more politically attractive than Santos.

https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/politics/2023/08/15/new-challenger-enters-primary-against-rep--george-santos

[DZC]

59. Trump Supports Him

Really/ Republicans going against the wishes of Trump? Really?

[former9thward]

63. Yes, count on it.

[Mopar151]

54. Because they want to grill him in the Comittee hearing!

Expelling him before he "faces the music" in an ethics hearing, or goes to criminal court, lets him escape media exposure.

[usonian]

55. They might fear retribution.

Adan Schiff was already censured by the assholes.
Ask Jeffries or someone else close to the scene.
Kind of pointless to speculate based on zero first-hand info, IMO,

[C_U_L8R]

57. It's not our job to clean up Republican messes.

Let them take care of their own, if they dare. They have the majority.
Meanwhile, they can wear that mess for all to see.

[Sneederbunk]

60. Saving a grenade to detonate later.