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GreenTea

(5,154 posts)
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 04:13 PM Nov 2012

Officially: Dems piclk up 10 seats from republicans in the congress.

Not too bad considering the amazing amount of republican Gerrymandering in swing states after the 2010 elections....Because of that gerrymandering it's going to be tough for the Dems to get the house back - We ALL have to show up in 2014 to stand a chance.

The Dems picked up nine seats officially and a Dem leads in one seat in North Carolina and most likely it will go tp the democratic candidate.

2013-14 House - Republicans 234 - Democrats 201

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/results/house

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Officially: Dems piclk up 10 seats from republicans in the congress. (Original Post) GreenTea Nov 2012 OP
Still, Ten more seats is good news! LaPera Nov 2012 #1
There was talk here of five seats being good. longship Nov 2012 #2
+1,000 to what you said. freshwest Nov 2012 #6
NC littlemissmartypants Nov 2012 #3
I John2 Nov 2012 #26
"The Congress" is composed of the House and the Senate. kath Nov 2012 #4
2 dsc Nov 2012 #5
It's hard for me to think of Ben Nelson as a "loss" ... more like a "loser." TahitiNut Nov 2012 #41
Fisher sounds quite the piece of work dsc Nov 2012 #42
She's a nightmare. progressoid Nov 2012 #48
That's what I was wondering. 10 seats? In both the Senate & House combined? nt Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #21
Charts: Ladyparts Strike Back Milliesmom Nov 2012 #7
Makes me proud of my country MsLeopard Nov 2012 #9
I'm very proud too! Milliesmom Nov 2012 #13
I turn 65 this month, this makes me look forward to getting older! mountain grammy Nov 2012 #36
Since republicans use gerrymandering to such advantage eyewall Nov 2012 #8
The next gerrymandering festival isn't for a decade, I think? (nt) Posteritatis Nov 2012 #10
thats right a census year at the begining of the decade.. next 2020 oldhippydude Nov 2012 #14
ahh, thanks for the info, I didn't realize it was tied to the census. eyewall Nov 2012 #39
There's nothing illegal about redistricting prior to a census. David__77 Nov 2012 #40
Democrats DO gerrymander... BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #49
District number 4 looks pretty specialized LOL eyewall Nov 2012 #53
unfortunately- I'm in the 14th district- by two blocks. BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #54
as for the 4th- it's the district represented by Luis Gutierrez. BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #55
Which is why we have to quit putting it all into the Presidency treestar Nov 2012 #51
Out of those 234 Rs, are there 17 who might vote with Democrats ProgressiveEconomist Nov 2012 #11
I'm skeptical. kentuck Nov 2012 #16
Good question, although off the top of my head, NO... winstars Nov 2012 #18
Moderates are gone from the republican party. The party is left with extremists. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #31
a lot, if not all, are afraid of being primaried if they do oldhippydude Nov 2012 #19
Not with fear getting primaried by a tea party nut job, vinny9698 Nov 2012 #20
I think so! It certainly is worth going over the cliff and waiting until next year! reformist2 Nov 2012 #28
Not bad at all. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #12
Recommended. William769 Nov 2012 #15
It amazes me there can be that many Republicans. nt valerief Nov 2012 #17
Republicans were smart in 2010. We were dumb. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #29
It's dumb to be Republican. nt valerief Nov 2012 #30
Very good, very true! mountain grammy Nov 2012 #37
Just as I predicted... nradisic Nov 2012 #22
All elections through 2024 are absolutely vital if we are to return this nation to sanity and bluestate10 Nov 2012 #23
We need to focus on picking up state legislative seats everywhere tabbycat31 Nov 2012 #56
We done good, kids libodem Nov 2012 #24
Any chance we can fix dem4ward Nov 2012 #25
Yes. Bibliovore Nov 2012 #35
Our success inn 2014... ReRe Nov 2012 #27
A ground game can only go so far tabbycat31 Nov 2012 #57
17 more to go in 2014. Hulk Nov 2012 #32
Powell, Zerban and Graves were three of the best, mountain grammy Nov 2012 #38
Unexpected gains CitizenPatriot Nov 2012 #33
The Republicans picked up 6 seats in 2002 democrattotheend Nov 2012 #34
We didn't pick status quo, politicians picked their voters, drew lines around them. julian09 Nov 2012 #43
If the Dems in Congress want a big turnout in 2014, they should Doctor_J Nov 2012 #44
And perhaps there are 17 sane Republicans among that 234 . . . MrModerate Nov 2012 #45
Dems will need to gain control at state levels and change the gerrymandering. spooky3 Nov 2012 #46
Wishful thinking but it's possible you could see some shifts in gerrymandered districts cherish44 Nov 2012 #47
A week ago I was saying we needed 40 votes in 2014. WE ONLY NEED ______! 21? Gregorian Nov 2012 #50
Who did they replace would be interesting too treestar Nov 2012 #52
And, the majority of the votes cast for members of Congress nationwide. Blue mandate, red majority. Coyotl Nov 2012 #58

longship

(40,416 posts)
2. There was talk here of five seats being good.
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 04:25 PM
Nov 2012

Before the election we knew that we would likely hold the Senate. But with Senate seats being statewide and Congressional seats being Gerrymandered, the House outcome was dodgy at best, in spite of the optimism on the national electoral front.

But, if we get ten turnovers this year, that is really, really good, given our disadvantage.

Come on, midterms! It's gonna be tough, maybe very tough. But this is something Democrats can do. We need to stick together and let's Get 'er done!

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
26. I
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 05:40 PM
Nov 2012

know McIntyre's District and if he lives in Lumberton North Carolina, that is a heavily Democratic area. So if they took Robeson County out of his District, that county is 3-1 Democratic. Buncombe county is also heavily Democratic, as well as Wake County. Coleman has a point because the Tea Party tried to purge voters in Wake County. There were also voting irregularities with voting machines in North Carolina. Nathan Sprul's organization also operated in North Carolina during this election cycle. All I know is a lot of Republicans came out of the woods from somewhere. President Obama lost North Carolina by over 90,000 votes the last time I checked the tally but he won every major urban area. Some of those rural counties in North Carolina show produced a lot of votes.

kath

(10,565 posts)
4. "The Congress" is composed of the House and the Senate.
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 04:35 PM
Nov 2012

Do you mean that the Dems picked up 10 seats in the House?
How many in the Senate?
I haven't been keeping up with the totals, since a fair number of races were still undecided as of a few days ago.

TahitiNut

(71,611 posts)
41. It's hard for me to think of Ben Nelson as a "loss" ... more like a "loser."
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 07:25 PM
Nov 2012

Then again, I'm a (independent) Liberal (first, last, and always). Nelson was a lap dog for plutocrats. There are "yellow dogs," "blue dogs," and "lap dogs."

dsc

(52,166 posts)
42. Fisher sounds quite the piece of work
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 07:26 PM
Nov 2012

I am not enamored of Kerrey but I wish he would have won that seat.

mountain grammy

(26,645 posts)
36. I turn 65 this month, this makes me look forward to getting older!
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 06:58 PM
Nov 2012

When working people take the economy back, the economy will work!

eyewall

(674 posts)
8. Since republicans use gerrymandering to such advantage
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 05:06 PM
Nov 2012

couldn't Democrats do a bit of redistricting of their own? At least to restore some of the insane districts created by the Republicans which are easily perceived as irrational for any purpose except republican control. I'd like to see Dennis Kucinich's seat come back into existence. It seems unfair to combine two Democratic districts to erase a Democratic seat.

David__77

(23,486 posts)
40. There's nothing illegal about redistricting prior to a census.
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 07:22 PM
Nov 2012

The Texas GOP did it, as did the Georgia GOP. After 2014, and winning control of PA, OH, and MI, we need to redistrict in those states.

eyewall

(674 posts)
53. District number 4 looks pretty specialized LOL
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:37 PM
Nov 2012

If a district can so obviously show a partisan agenda (which I am assuming because of the shape), there should be some sort of restriction on how you build them.

 

BlueMan Votes

(903 posts)
54. unfortunately- I'm in the 14th district- by two blocks.
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:25 PM
Nov 2012

my congress...thing is a teabagger- randy hultgren. Two blocks over:Tammy Duckworth.
If i make the 5-minute drive to Mcdonald's for breakfast- i go thru 3 different congressional districts.

 

BlueMan Votes

(903 posts)
55. as for the 4th- it's the district represented by Luis Gutierrez.
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:36 PM
Nov 2012

as per wiki-

It was featured by The Economist as one of the most strangely drawn and gerrymandered congressional districts in the country[1] and has been nicknamed "earmuffs" due to its shape.[2] It was created to contain two majority Hispanic parts of Chicago.

This district covers two strips running east-west across the city of Chicago, Illinois on the west side continuing into smaller portion of some suburban areas in Cook County, surrounding Illinois' 7th congressional district. The northern portion is largely Puerto Rican, while the southern portion is heavily Mexican. The two sections are on opposite sides of the city and are only connected by a piece of Interstate 294 to the west; the highway is in the district while the surrounding areas are not. It is the smallest congressional district in area outside of New York City and San Francisco.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois%27s_4th_congressional_district

treestar

(82,383 posts)
51. Which is why we have to quit putting it all into the Presidency
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:21 PM
Nov 2012

And quit being above local politics. Look at all those states that went to the President yet have Republican governors and state houses. Republicans at least spend time and money on this lower level electioneering.

ProgressiveEconomist

(5,818 posts)
11. Out of those 234 Rs, are there 17 who might vote with Democrats
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 05:16 PM
Nov 2012

on some big issues, such as raising the debt ceiling, comprehesive immigration reform, and taxing the wealthy somewhat more?

winstars

(4,220 posts)
18. Good question, although off the top of my head, NO...
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 05:29 PM
Nov 2012

Haven't they gotten rid of all the moderates at this point???

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
31. Moderates are gone from the republican party. The party is left with extremists.
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 05:55 PM
Nov 2012

That is even more reason why we should not give in to what they ask for unless they make massive concessions.

oldhippydude

(2,514 posts)
19. a lot, if not all, are afraid of being primaried if they do
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 05:29 PM
Nov 2012

our job should be to make them more afraid of the general than their own primary....

vinny9698

(1,016 posts)
20. Not with fear getting primaried by a tea party nut job,
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 05:31 PM
Nov 2012

They are more afraid of the gop primary. Just ask Lugar.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
29. Republicans were smart in 2010. We were dumb.
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 05:49 PM
Nov 2012

After our big wins in 2008, Liberals in particular, assigned magical powers to the House, Senate and President Obama. Those people were supposed to accomplish everything while we sat back and watched their magical work. Republicans came out of the gate fighting, joined by a motley crew of racists, sexists and general haters that called themselves the tea party. When the President, Senate and House couldn't deliver the pure liberal results that some demanded, those people sat on their asses while republicans, some of the worst variety, won close races against democrats for House seats, Senate seats, Governor seats, State Legislature seats. The result is what we lived through for the last two years leading up to the 2012 election. Republicans are back on their heels now, but instead of working to change, that party is trying to figure out how to sell poison to gullible voters. We must stop fighting each other at critical times and recognize that we can't let republicans succeed. The 2012 election was an important election for many reasons, but 2014, 2016, 2018, and particularly 2020 will be just as important, with 2020 being monumentally important.

nradisic

(1,362 posts)
22. Just as I predicted...
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 05:33 PM
Nov 2012

My call was Obama with 330 Electoral votes, at least 3 pick ups in the Senate and pick ups in the House...nice.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
23. All elections through 2024 are absolutely vital if we are to return this nation to sanity and
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 05:36 PM
Nov 2012

prosperity for all americans that are willing to work. We must avoid losing seats in 2014, 2016 and 2018 with a few pickups in each of those elections, BUT the absolutely CRITICAL year is 2020, because that will be the last election before the next Census in 2021. That census and the subsequent re-districting will set the table for elections for the next 10 years. We need t focus on picking up State legislatures and Governor's seats during the 2014, 2016, 2018 and 2020 elections, because if we don't most of our efforts to build a better country will be blocked by a vocal and active minority.

tabbycat31

(6,336 posts)
56. We need to focus on picking up state legislative seats everywhere
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:48 PM
Nov 2012

I've always said that the statehouses are a farm system for Congress. Sure you get a few that come out of nowhere, but if we want a good bench, we need to pick up state legislative seats everywhere.

2013 comes first and we need to focus on the two states with state legislative (and governor's) races--- NJ and VA.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
24. We done good, kids
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 05:39 PM
Nov 2012

Lots of times it naturally swings toward the opposition party. Luckily it swung away from the literal, 'opposition party', of obstructionists. The party of NO.

Eff them!!!

Bibliovore

(185 posts)
35. Yes.
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 06:57 PM
Nov 2012

Especially after this last election, there could be a lot of support for fairer election laws -- such as a national set of uniform regulations, and fair redistricting done by computers (via program code inspectable by all) to make geographically compact districts that conform to all applicable voting laws. Such redistricting wouldn't even need to wait for another census. After Texas Republicans redistricted in 2003 (after there'd already been a post-census 2001 redistricting), the redistricting went to court and eventually to the Supreme Court, which said states can redistrict as often as they like.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
27. Our success inn 2014...
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 05:45 PM
Nov 2012

K&R

... is dependent upon what the Repubs do in the next two years. If it's gridlock city, then I say we will have a better chance of gaining the majority back. How many new Freshmen House Republicans this time? Those are the ones that might cross over and vote with Dems. Nahhhh... not enough of them, probably. Repubs are on the run, though, any way you look at it. We might not have won the House back, but we really kicked some serious butt this time folks. I say we pick the most vulnerable 100 House Repubs and really GOTV in their districts. Ground game time again. WE have to fight as much in 2014 as we did for all of our wins in 2012. And we need to start NOW. IMHO.

tabbycat31

(6,336 posts)
57. A ground game can only go so far
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:04 PM
Nov 2012

While I'm all about a good ground game (I just was a congressional field director in VA), when you're outraised 5-1 there's only so much you can do.


So you need to pick a Republican to tear off (I can give you a few names if you would like--- hint-- as tempting as it is to want to put a big name on there, I would stay away from the superstars and pick a no name one) and not only donate a few bucks to his/her opponent's race, but make some phone calls and pound the pavement as well.

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
32. 17 more to go in 2014.
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 06:20 PM
Nov 2012

....or more! Let's work on getting some VERY qualified candidates to take on the most irritating and vulnerable. We'd better be prepared to lose a few seats, so I'd shoot for 25 anyway.

mountain grammy

(26,645 posts)
38. Powell, Zerban and Graves were three of the best,
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 07:06 PM
Nov 2012

hope they will run again in two years and rid us of Cantor, Boehner and Bachmann.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
34. The Republicans picked up 6 seats in 2002
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 06:25 PM
Nov 2012

And the media acted like it was a huge wave. We pick up 10 and the narrative is that people voted for the status quo.

 

julian09

(1,435 posts)
43. We didn't pick status quo, politicians picked their voters, drew lines around them.
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 07:35 PM
Nov 2012

then called them districts. We won more votes, in house while losing seats. HOUSE IS NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF VOTERS.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
44. If the Dems in Congress want a big turnout in 2014, they should
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 07:42 PM
Nov 2012

1. Govern like Dems
2. Start arresting and prosecuting all of the traitors and terrorists in the other party
3. Restore voting rights
4. Do something about the media

 

MrModerate

(9,753 posts)
45. And perhaps there are 17 sane Republicans among that 234 . . .
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 11:08 PM
Nov 2012

Whose votes can be picked up on issues of national importance (on those rare occasions when the Dems actually agree with each other).

cherish44

(2,566 posts)
47. Wishful thinking but it's possible you could see some shifts in gerrymandered districts
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:23 AM
Nov 2012

People move, people die, demographics change. Look at the dramatic shift we've seen in a short time. Remember a decade ago, Bush was in office and the house and senate were both under firm Republican control. I think we can possibly win back the house in spite of gerrymandering. And of course there's always the fact the Republican party is on rocky ground and on the verge of imploding or splitting into a third party...We just need to GoTV and try get to the ones that are capable of being reasonable, learning and higher thought (probably only 20-30% of the party at this point, but that's enough to flip a few districts to blue).

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
50. A week ago I was saying we needed 40 votes in 2014. WE ONLY NEED ______! 21?
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:19 PM
Nov 2012

It's too early. I can't add two numbers. And subtraction is impossible. Where's my espresso?

What? 20 seats to gain a majority?

Argh...

treestar

(82,383 posts)
52. Who did they replace would be interesting too
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:21 PM
Nov 2012

Did it kick out tea partiers or more moderate Republicans.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
58. And, the majority of the votes cast for members of Congress nationwide. Blue mandate, red majority.
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:09 PM
Nov 2012
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