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By LUCIAN K. TRUSCOTT IV
Published: November 16, 2012
FASTIDIOUSNESS is never a good sign in a general officer. Though strutting military peacocks go back to Alexanders time, our first was MacArthur, who seemed at times to care more about how much gold braid decorated the brim of his cap than he did about how many bodies he left on beachheads across the Pacific. Next came Westmoreland, with his starched fatigues in Vietnam. In our time, Gen. David H. Petraeus has set the bar high. Never has so much beribboned finery decorated a generals uniform since Al Haig passed through the sally ports of West Point on his way to the White House.
Whats wrong with a general looking good? you may wonder. I would propose that every moment a general spends on his uniform jacket is a moment hes not doing his job, which is supposed to be leading soldiers in combat and winning wars something we, and our generals, stopped doing about the time that MacArthur gold-braided his way around the stalemated Korean War.
And now comes Dave Petraeus, and the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts. No matter how good he looked in his biographer-mistresss book, it doesnt make up for the fact that we failed to conquer the countries we invaded, and ended up occupying undefeated nations.
The genius of General Petraeus was to recognize early on that the war he had been sent to fight in Iraq wasnt a real war at all. This is what the public and the news media lamenting the fall of the brilliant hero undone by a tawdry affair have failed to see. He wasnt the military magician portrayed in the press; he was a self-constructed hologram, emitting an aura of preening heroism for the ever eager cameras.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/18/opinion/sunday/a-phony-hero-for-a-phony-war.html?_r=0
jsr
(7,712 posts)clydefrand
(4,325 posts)have low ranking enlisted men to take care of things like that.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)I think Petraeus was bathing in the stuff.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Cared more about their troops than about the shine on their own medals. Bradley saw it clearly:
- Omar N. Bradley
In Butler's case, he just came out and said it:
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Butler, who stopped the attempted coup against FDR, came to realize in a manner consistent with his book title that "War is a Racket."
Puller never did.
If we are going to mention good generals, it's also worthwhile to mention Dwight D. Eisenhower. He, like Butler and unlike Puller, publicly let it be known that he disapproved of war profiteers.
loudsue
(14,087 posts)right of his politics.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)My favorite Eisenhower quote is the comment that he gave during the Nixon-JFK contest when a reporter asked him for an example of Nixon's contribution to the Eisenhower Administration:
"If you give me a week, I might think of one."
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Good ridden to bad rubbish.
NoPasaran
(17,291 posts)Gee, I wonder how Winfield Scott---"Old Fuss and Feathers"---got his nickname.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)A: Where the fuck did all those Indians come from?
leveymg
(36,418 posts)KansDem
(28,498 posts)DAMN!!!
Zynx
(21,328 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)One of the best we've ever had.
Not to be mentioned on the same page with ass-kissing yes-men like Powell, Betrayus and Westmoreland.
byeya
(2,842 posts)coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)Petraeus as a 'ass-kissing little chickenshit'.
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2007/09/12/16179/webb-fallon/
Spazito
(50,444 posts)self-serving peacock, the same media that fostered his self-promotion, the same media that put him on the pedestal they are now pointing at with contempt.
They knew who and what he was from the beginning yet they propelled the propaganda with no guilt.
They are as hypocritical as the man they are now calling a self-constructed hologram.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)the bullshit almost from the start. I saw highly critical op-ed pieces by him back in 2005, IIRC.
Zynx
(21,328 posts)Patton pushed Truscott's division to the breaking point just for the sake of one-upping Montgomery.
johnq45
(33 posts)Is who they found at the bottom of the barrel when all of the decent Generals retired when they wouldn't go along with the Bush/Cheney agenda! Remember?
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)nineteen50
(1,187 posts)America's worship of all things military bodes well for this empire. We need to get away from a corporate military and back to a civilian military, reinstate the draft.
judesedit
(4,442 posts)too. These preemptive wars were started by us to steal oil and nothing more. The loss of life was collateral damage to the greedy moneybags that love war for profit.
Anyway, the boots on the ground are the heroes in any war. Helicopter pilots, medics, truck drivers are super vulnerable, too. You may find some good officers, but few are as valiant as the men in the infantry and their support. Petraeus let his gold braid blind him to reality. He's just a man.
joseph abbott
(13 posts)Look, Bush sought revenge for 9/11 by fighting Afghanistan and the Taliban. He used the nation's enthusiasm for a personal vendetta against Saddam Hussein for trying to have George Senior assassinated.
The Wizard
(12,547 posts)Former supreme NATO commander Wes Clark. He repelled down and embankment to save a member of his party that went off the road. When he got there the soldier was dead and Wes removed the dead man's wedding ring so as to return it to his widow personally. It's called leadership.
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)Apache Crew Chief 65
(20 posts)We have our heroes returning in flag draped coffins as we have an umbrella of protection for all America by our valiant heroes who stand on the wall. I never asked the grieving family when I perform honor duty for fallen veterans if he was a Republican Democrat or independent all that is needed to know is that he was an American.
Greed does not stand on the wall or come home in a flag draped coffins and we never provide an honor guard for greed.
Working on a project, with my Congresswoman Grace Napolitano, I would like you to consider amending Veterans Day with a clause to include family members of veterans. I volunteer at Loma Linda veterans hospital I also volunteer in my community supporting veterans and family members. In my opinion family members are serving alongside their loved ones enduring all forms of agony and anxiety as members of our military have been doing multiple tours since 9/11. If you have reason to feel that this is appropriate venture to support ask your Congress representative to support my Congresswoman Grace Napolitano.
Hector F. Elizalde
Veterans/Military Liaison
Congresswoman Grace F. Napolitano
38 District, California
562-801-2134
Apache Crew Chief 65
(20 posts)We see a country at war for nearly 12 years would you agree. Our military have been redeploying to the point that we have the highest suicide rate on record and our troops are at its breaking point.
My initial commitment to our troops and family members came about on the fact that I was called a baby killer when I came home many years ago. I did not want these current military personnel receiving the same labeling upon their return home.
I currently volunteer at Loma Linda veterans hospital and witness the cost of war personally on the toll of our troops and their family members. My crusade takes me into my community assisting veterans and their family members up close and personal the anguish of family members repeated deployment.
I have no idea how many family members you have encountered within your community and have wept and have witness the 21 gun salute honoring the deceased. In my community we have flags displayed along the streets honoring our troops with their names and branch of service and we also have the ones who have given their all for our country.
This combat disabled veteran feel more than confident enough to share Veterans Day with family members of veterans.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)As compared to
Please scroll down to Boompa's info (from 2009 -- where someone like Andy Sullivan's researchers might've found a reference to a now-popular angle):
http://www.city-data.com/forum/politics-other-controversies/794959-more-us-soldiers-slated-die-obamas-8.html
PS: Thank you, rug, for the outstanding op-ed from the descendant of Gen. Truscott -- a soldier who led from the front.
beac
(9,992 posts)http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/14/opinion/dowd-reputation-reputation-reputation.html?_r=0
PufPuf23
(8,822 posts)Under the Desk Exemplarary Service medals? Sheez.
EmeraldCityGrl
(4,310 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)I was stunned when the President retained this fool.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Obama WAS stuck with Betrayus and now he's not. Chess, anyone?
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)EmeraldCityGrl
(4,310 posts)I presume you know him well enough to make the statement "he's a good man."
As a general he has two failed wars on his watch. The hero worship in this culture
has to end. It's killing and mutilating our sons and daughters and bankrupting the
nation.
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)I have met him, and I do believe him to be a good man. He is also one Hell of a writer. OK?
EmeraldCityGrl
(4,310 posts)11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)joseph abbott
(13 posts)I'm sure the war in Iraq seemed pretty damn real to those who did the actual fighting. Not all of them are republicans, you know.
At any rate, Patreaus was never a hero. All the man did was have a plan to get troops out without having to dump choppers into the ocean.
Iraq is deadlier than Afghanistan today.
rug
(82,333 posts)I expect those there would rather have not been.
Apache Crew Chief 65
(20 posts)AGAIN AND AGAIN
I have this recurring nightmare:
Even though we were scheduled to be "2nd Up", we've flown into the same hot LZ again and again today, under fire, to rescue the wounded - a dozen at a time. On our 5th mission this day, 11 Nov 65, I recognize the soldier I'm loading. God, no! It's the medic who's been bringing me his wounded - again and again - all throughout the battle.
[Infantry soldiers are trained to seek out whatever cover or concealment they can find, but when the ground medic hears "Doc, I'm hit!", he will rush toward the enemy guns to rescue his wounded buddy. Under fire! Without hesitation! Again and again!]
We've loaded everyone we can cram onto the Huey and lift off; now I can triage my patients. God, no! The medic's gut-shot, and I can't save him! I have other wounded aboard I can try to keep alive until we get them to the field hospital; maybe the Chaplain can help those I can't.
Then I wake up again, in a hot sweat again, and apologize again to my wife for kicking her out of bed with my thrashing - again. My war is long over, we remember, and I go back to sleep.
But it's not over. Now I'm being deployed overseas, again. I've lost more buddies than I've saved, so I've stopped counting. I don't know if I can keep any of them alive anymore; I know I can't keep them from being wounded, and that drives a cold stake through my heart. But I have to go - again and again - because they will need me - again and again. God, no!
Then I wake up again, but this time I don't go back to bed. After half a pot of coffee I realize the second nightmare is not mine - It's that of the medics I may never know, who have been deployed - again and again!
But I DO know them, and their buddies - and so do you. God, no!
Jim Van Doren
Dustoff Medic
Vietnam, 65-66