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It started with Reagan, not Trump (Original Post) Just_Vote_Dem Sep 2023 OP
I agree that Reagan hit the gas but... MANative Sep 2023 #1
I think you're right Just_Vote_Dem Sep 2023 #4
I just told my husband MOMFUDSKI Sep 2023 #93
IKE built the True Blue American Sep 2023 #112
After detente with China, the USSR, and a pending exit from Vietnam Ponietz Sep 2023 #39
Excellent response Duncanpup Sep 2023 #81
Nixon also started for-profit healthcare TexasBushwhacker Sep 2023 #97
+1 2naSalit Sep 2023 #40
Fascism's Origins: Abrahamic Blood Cults Are The Earliest Recorded Instance I'm Aware Of MayReasonRule Sep 2023 #49
thanks for clearly saying Stardust Mirror Sep 2023 #85
Thank You Stardust Mirror, That's Kind Of You To Say MayReasonRule Oct 2023 #120
I believe there is a key difference with Goldwater misanthrope Sep 2023 #64
Yes, and it was under Eisenhower that Republicans courted evangelicals Midnight Writer Sep 2023 #74
Thought that was an effort by the Knights of Columbus... rubbersole Sep 2023 #76
Some of this goes back to Herbert Hoover. paulkienitz Sep 2023 #88
Hooray RocRizzo55 Sep 2023 #116
The John Birch Society was the source of the toxin. summer_in_TX Sep 2023 #103
I'd say Nixon... raising2moredems Sep 2023 #106
Goldwater changed the center to the right. KentuckyWoman Sep 2023 #108
Newt Gingrich is evil Walleye Sep 2023 #2
Yup, gingrich comes to mind first. He turned politics into a trumpfest even before trump SouthernDem4ever Sep 2023 #23
+1 2naSalit Sep 2023 #41
Yes elleng Sep 2023 #80
Ah yes, the neoliberal Libertarians. gab13by13 Sep 2023 #3
Two apologist for the filthy-rich oligarchs Farmer-Rick Sep 2023 #22
Gingrich accelerated politics as total war, not just win but destroy the opposition, anything goes. betsuni Sep 2023 #5
He was the first one BlueMTexpat Sep 2023 #12
Sen. Jesse Helms did it years before him though Polybius Sep 2023 #55
True. BlueMTexpat Sep 2023 #110
Raygun constantly made bigoted, hateful remarks ExWhoDoesntCare Sep 2023 #62
I've never forgotten drmeow Sep 2023 #99
When Ray-Gun VGNonly Sep 2023 #100
Too true. BlueMTexpat Sep 2023 #111
Yes elleng Sep 2023 #82
If you haven't already... TSExile Sep 2023 #6
Thanks, I want to read that. Basic LA Sep 2023 #14
I was too young... TSExile Sep 2023 #29
Jesus and John Wayne Martin Eden Sep 2023 #21
No problem!! TSExile Sep 2023 #25
Thanks again! Martin Eden Sep 2023 #33
I know. TSExile Sep 2023 #107
For a quick read about what a hateful scumbag raygun was ExWhoDoesntCare Sep 2023 #63
Agreed on Reagan and Goldwater AverageJoe Sep 2023 #7
All of the above Mickju Sep 2023 #8
Yes, all of the above but Newt really kept that Hellbound train on the tracks. yonder Sep 2023 #11
IMO, it started BEFORE BlueMTexpat Sep 2023 #9
Do we need reminding that the father of G H W Bush...... jaxexpat Sep 2023 #32
Uh Prescott Bush and the two founders of the CIA funded Hitler IbogaProject Sep 2023 #37
Reads like a grade school primer on how to be awful for your country while getting richer. jaxexpat Sep 2023 #84
Thanks for the reminder. BlueMTexpat Sep 2023 #114
GHWB was CIA Dallas station chief then IbogaProject Sep 2023 #118
Nixon's Wage and Price Freeze was particularly painful. quaint Sep 2023 #42
+1 appalachiablue Sep 2023 #54
Before there was Nixon, there was McCarthy. ExWhoDoesntCare Sep 2023 #69
Wasn't it Reagan's first speech gab13by13 Sep 2023 #10
His first stop after the convention in San Diego was Philadelphia Mississippi underpants Sep 2023 #13
+1000 paleotn Sep 2023 #17
Not exactly misanthrope Sep 2023 #66
Okay thank you underpants Sep 2023 #67
You're welcome. The "states rights" misanthrope Sep 2023 #73
Raygun was being used as a GOP talking head back in the 1960s when he was railing against 4lbs Sep 2023 #16
Reagan said "Govt. Is the problem" at the Inaugural Address in Wash., DC Jan. 1981. appalachiablue Sep 2023 #50
Contrary to popular opinion DENVERPOPS Sep 2023 #109
Well how far back do we look? vlyons Sep 2023 #15
When seeing via the karmic-model of 'what-it-is' ... sanatanadharma Sep 2023 #28
K&R. William769 Sep 2023 #18
Can't forget the Powell Manifesto. That's in the mix, too. Efilroft Sul Sep 2023 #19
TY! *THE POWELL MEMO* Corporate America's Call To Arms, 1971 appalachiablue Sep 2023 #46
and James Buchanan who created the plan with Koch... Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2023 #57
Yep, JB and the mega Koch machine. . appalachiablue Sep 2023 #58
Before the Powell memo, there wasn't so much coordination and planning Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2023 #59
Correct, a call to arms for all out war on liberal democracy, based on a false 'attack' appalachiablue Sep 2023 #72
Gutting the Fairness Doctrine was a planned step. summer_in_TX Sep 2023 #104
Yes, another effort with huge consequences, thanks for mentioning. appalachiablue Sep 2023 #105
The logical conclusion of the southern strategy and the evilgelical strategy. paleotn Sep 2023 #20
Nixon preceded Reagan; The Dulles Brothers were Nixon contemporaries; and so on and so on . . . NBachers Sep 2023 #24
Lee Atwater Dawgman49 Sep 2023 #26
"teamwork" moondust Sep 2023 #52
I recognize Roger Stone and Lee Atwater, but who's the 3rd guy? Trailrider1951 Sep 2023 #60
Paul Manafort ExWhoDoesntCare Sep 2023 #70
that figures Trailrider1951 Sep 2023 #78
I keep telling people that. liberal N proud Sep 2023 #27
K&R ck4829 Sep 2023 #30
It started with Nixon's southern strategy JI7 Sep 2023 #31
Other players who have been important to the progression of Republican dystopia are Rupert Lonestarblue Sep 2023 #34
it started with trickey dick.then all ahead full. raygun was the big one though AllaN01Bear Sep 2023 #35
This LostOne4Ever Sep 2023 #87
Republicans Old Okie Sep 2023 #36
Maybe cuz it's Dark n Stormy Knight Sep 2023 #53
Bingo! Trailrider1951 Sep 2023 #79
Belva Davis Confronts Violent Racism at the 1964 RNC spike jones Sep 2023 #38
It was really Nixon, if you want to get technical. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2023 #43
Absolutely. The no tax President who raised taxes 6 out of his 8 years. marble falls Sep 2023 #44
Trickle down RANDYWILDMAN Sep 2023 #45
Yep, The front door was Nixon. But reagan let all the bad guys in calimary Sep 2023 #91
Nixon, McCarthy enigmania Sep 2023 #47
And then there is Elliott Abrams Seinan Sensei Sep 2023 #48
Lots of other evil doers like Jesse Helms unc70 Sep 2023 #51
When people say the right-wing Senators today are the most extreme ever, I call BS Polybius Sep 2023 #56
It started with FDR and the New Deal ExWhoDoesntCare Sep 2023 #61
+1 appalachiablue Sep 2023 #95
He was never president, Mr.Bill Sep 2023 #65
Okay Arthur_Frain Sep 2023 #68
What a great analogy!! barbaraann Sep 2023 #75
Actually, it started with nixon. niyad Sep 2023 #71
And they started with The Merchants of Death Kid Berwyn Sep 2023 #77
Nixon. Oopsie Daisy Sep 2023 #83
It all started when women and minorities started advocating for equal rights. Pacifist Patriot Sep 2023 #86
Reagan and his ilk focused the project, but it has been going on decades before. Caliman73 Sep 2023 #89
Last night Michael Steele was trying to admonish the candidates over Reagan SleeplessinSoCal Sep 2023 #90
They tried to pull a coup against FDR Mysterian Sep 2023 #92
No, it started before Reagan. It was Nixon and Atwater. sakabatou Sep 2023 #94
Yes it did tiredtoo Sep 2023 #96
Gingrich. elleng Sep 2023 #98
It's definitely pre WWII, See Maddow's Ultra Podcast PurgedVoter Sep 2023 #101
Yep RocRizzo55 Sep 2023 #117
They just seem to get worse every election mahina Sep 2023 #102
I had assumed that Reagan would always remain the worst president of my lifetime. mwb970 Sep 2023 #113
And let's not forget the pupeteers of the whole shebang the REAL Deep State and Architects... B.See Sep 2023 #115
Eugene McCarthy started a lot of it Polybius Sep 2023 #119

MANative

(4,113 posts)
1. I agree that Reagan hit the gas but...
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 08:06 AM
Sep 2023

I think it was Barry Goldwater who really started the engine. The evil has been around for a very long time.

Just_Vote_Dem

(2,820 posts)
4. I think you're right
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 08:10 AM
Sep 2023

Someone posted Eisenhower's policies recently and they sounded fairly reasonable, so they would be unacceptable to Repugs today.

MOMFUDSKI

(5,736 posts)
93. I just told my husband
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 06:20 PM
Sep 2023

yesterday that Eisenhower was the last decent repub pres. He was actually pretty much neutral but labels happen.

True Blue American

(17,995 posts)
112. IKE built the
Fri Sep 29, 2023, 03:16 AM
Sep 2023

Interstate based on what the Autobahn was like in Germany. Good President, but even he gave us Nixon who did a few good things but turned out to be corrupt. The rot in the party began then.

Ponietz

(3,044 posts)
39. After detente with China, the USSR, and a pending exit from Vietnam
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 10:26 AM
Sep 2023

The US had no major foreign enemies. Nixon and Republicans turned to political foes. And because they were busted the Democratic Party has been enemy #1 for the GOP since. 50 years of their shit.

MayReasonRule

(1,463 posts)
49. Fascism's Origins: Abrahamic Blood Cults Are The Earliest Recorded Instance I'm Aware Of
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 10:54 AM
Sep 2023
And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. (Joshua 6:21)


Goldwater was a fascist - Goldwater was not a nationalist "Christian" fascist.
Fascism is a delusionally malevolent far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist ideology. It's characterized by:

* Autocratic dictatorship
* Militarism
* Suppression of opposition
* Indoctrination of forced social hierarchy
* Subordination of individual interests

The theory of political "religion" is that governmental ideologies with strong cultural and political backing can attain power equivalent to a state "religion".

Religion requires one to set aside reality's objective analysis.
Religion requires one to embrace delusion as "truth".

Fascist ideals have been embraced by the Abrahamic blood cults ever since their have been Abrahamic blood cults. These "closely held beliefs" have been the cornerstone of fascism within our society since our society's inception.

Reagan was merely a fascist talking head. Fascisms roots are as old as human society itself.
Today we see those roots feeding Y'all Qaeda's Spanish Inquisition courtesy of the Nat-C GOP.

Nat-C or Nazi no matter the name their evil depravity's always the same.

Stardust Mirror

(360 posts)
85. thanks for clearly saying
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 05:25 PM
Sep 2023

what I was thinking in response to this question, only saying it more clearly and well argued than I would have.

misanthrope

(7,432 posts)
64. I believe there is a key difference with Goldwater
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 01:48 PM
Sep 2023

Wasn't he very leery of evangelical Christians and folding them into the GOP mechanism?

Midnight Writer

(21,819 posts)
74. Yes, and it was under Eisenhower that Republicans courted evangelicals
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 02:47 PM
Sep 2023

with Prayer Breakfasts, inviting Billy Graham and others to the WH, adding Under God to the Pledge.

summer_in_TX

(2,766 posts)
103. The John Birch Society was the source of the toxin.
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 10:00 PM
Sep 2023

Virulent.
Conspiracies galore.
Bigoted.
Hateful.

raising2moredems

(641 posts)
106. I'd say Nixon...
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 10:50 PM
Sep 2023

but I will concede Goldwater played a part. Nixon's "southern strategy" along with seeing the Vietnam War as an opportunity for ethnic cleansing so to speak.
Raygun knew he'd never get elected without crawling into bed with the religious "right". Hence no more moderates in the party but plenty of f-ing nutcases.

KentuckyWoman

(6,697 posts)
108. Goldwater changed the center to the right.
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 10:58 PM
Sep 2023

Now the even farther right is trying to get to the middle and the Goldwater types are being branded as RINO.

Farmer-Rick

(10,219 posts)
22. Two apologist for the filthy-rich oligarchs
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 09:07 AM
Sep 2023

They gave that idiot who promoted murder and fascism in Chile a Nobel prize. And people to this day think that tool was so intelligent and an economic genius. Friedman encouraged Pinochet to murder Union leaders and liberals on the factory floor.

They served the billionaire class and were rewarded for it ... except for old Ayn. Afterall she was a woman. In the end she allowed a social worker to sign her up for Medicare and Social Security. She wouldn't have allowed that if she were rich like the people she enabled. She eventually died of a heart attack as a result of her lung cancer, she was a constant smoker.



betsuni

(25,725 posts)
5. Gingrich accelerated politics as total war, not just win but destroy the opposition, anything goes.
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 08:15 AM
Sep 2023

Last edited Thu Sep 28, 2023, 08:46 AM - Edit history (1)

BlueMTexpat

(15,374 posts)
12. He was the first one
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 08:46 AM
Sep 2023

to make political speech hateful and hate-directed, IMO, and to begin "normalizing" the truly unacceptable.

Trump and the Seven Dwarf Idiots pissing all over our democracy are the result.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
62. Raygun constantly made bigoted, hateful remarks
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 01:42 PM
Sep 2023

What do you think the "welfare queen" crap was all about?

He never missed a chance to trash Democrats, liberals, minorities, people who cared about the environment--

It's frightening how people forget all the hateful filth that spouted out of that scumbag's face anus.

VGNonly

(7,517 posts)
100. When Ray-Gun
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 09:27 PM
Sep 2023

kickstarted his campaign with a long windy stump speech on "state rights" in Neshoba County MS, which only 16 years earlier was the sight of the KKK sanctioned murders of Chaney, Schwerner and Goodman.

TSExile

(2,504 posts)
6. If you haven't already...
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 08:22 AM
Sep 2023

...read the book "Jesus and John Wayne" by Kristin Du Mez. It really opened up my eyes, especially about the Reagan presidency.

TSExile

(2,504 posts)
29. I was too young...
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 09:29 AM
Sep 2023

...to really be aware of what was going on. I remember hearing the name Oliver North over and over in the late 1980s, but this book really goes into so much detail.

The book is basically a timeline of how politics and the church in America collided. I recently loaned my copy to a lady from my church (!!).

TSExile

(2,504 posts)
25. No problem!!
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 09:25 AM
Sep 2023

Be sure to get the 2021 version with the updated preface. The original version of the book was published in 2020, before the pandemic and election.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
63. For a quick read about what a hateful scumbag raygun was
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 01:44 PM
Sep 2023

Try Reign of Error by Mark Green. It was full of nothing but stupid and hateful filth that the fascist pig vomited onto the nation.

AverageJoe

(2,292 posts)
7. Agreed on Reagan and Goldwater
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 08:38 AM
Sep 2023

But we should also give a shoutout to one of the most evil little American fascists ever to draw breath, Lee Atwater, who helped make modern Republican villainy happen.

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/exclusive-lee-atwaters-infamous-1981-interview-southern-strategy/

BlueMTexpat

(15,374 posts)
9. IMO, it started BEFORE
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 08:42 AM
Sep 2023

Reagan, although Reagan REALLY stepped on the gas. It definitely began with Richard Nixon in 1968, if not before.

Too many of the worst people who have turned up time and time again in GOP administrations got their starts in Nixon's day.

He was downright EVIL, IMO.

jaxexpat

(6,865 posts)
32. Do we need reminding that the father of G H W Bush......
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 09:34 AM
Sep 2023

was a Nazi sympathizer? Or that the Robber Barons at the turn of the previous century were Republicans.

IbogaProject

(2,848 posts)
37. Uh Prescott Bush and the two founders of the CIA funded Hitler
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 10:18 AM
Sep 2023

He was with Harriman before it merged with Brown Brothers. He was the funnel of Wall Street money to Hitler, 50 million Marks. Prescott also helped look launder Nazi corporate holdings and took that money and had his kids wildcat oil in Texas in the 50s.

jaxexpat

(6,865 posts)
84. Reads like a grade school primer on how to be awful for your country while getting richer.
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 05:10 PM
Sep 2023

The conservative soul was created in the 1930's while the people were scared for where their next meal was coming from. The Great Depression was like a feudalist state reboot. A country composed of people drowning in hopeless desperation were ripe for the harvest in the biggest MIC swindle in history. So many angles, so many triangulations. Great wealth was there to be made by anybody with a healthy nest egg and a ruthless attitude.

BlueMTexpat

(15,374 posts)
114. Thanks for the reminder.
Fri Sep 29, 2023, 03:20 AM
Sep 2023

No, I haven't forgotten. It just slipped my mind for a moment.

Even Prescott Bush had predecessors, though. I, for one, STILL believe that GHWB was involved to some extent with the Kennedy assassination. Remember too that GHWB was appointed CIA Director under Nixon.

And his son REALLY screwed us ALL. Terrible awful family!

IbogaProject

(2,848 posts)
118. GHWB was CIA Dallas station chief then
Fri Sep 29, 2023, 09:54 AM
Sep 2023

That was before CIA was banned from operation inside the USA. Then he was South East Asia Station chief, right when the heroin flooded in. And of course he was chairing the National Security during the Iran Contra Coke crimes.

quaint

(2,586 posts)
42. Nixon's Wage and Price Freeze was particularly painful.
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 10:35 AM
Sep 2023

Products could change one itty bitty thing, put New/Improved on their label and raise the price.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
69. Before there was Nixon, there was McCarthy.
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 01:58 PM
Sep 2023

And before him, all of the evil traitor thugs who opposed the New Deal. Traitor thug Senator Thomas Schall calling FDR a Communist, the American version of Hitler or Mussolini and Satan.

A few of the old school r party were reasonable, but the vast majority were pretty much a cabal of venomous hatemongers--and have been such ever since. They weeded out any decent people from the party, long ago.

gab13by13

(21,455 posts)
10. Wasn't it Reagan's first speech
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 08:43 AM
Sep 2023

where he said government was the problem, not the solution. Reagan started the attacks on government. Well Ayn Rand was out there too.

underpants

(182,962 posts)
13. His first stop after the convention in San Diego was Philadelphia Mississippi
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 08:48 AM
Sep 2023

Where the three young men registering voters were murdered.

Lee Atwater made sure that was his first stop. Reagan (not) jokingly said “I’m from the government and I’m here to help”. Message sent, message received. Racists and polluters- that’s their true base.

misanthrope

(7,432 posts)
66. Not exactly
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 01:52 PM
Sep 2023

He used the right-wing quip that "the nine scariest words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

What he used for a dog whistle in Philadelphia, Mississippi was his reiteration that he backed "states rights."

misanthrope

(7,432 posts)
73. You're welcome. The "states rights"
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 02:16 PM
Sep 2023

dog whistle is a lot more alarming than the "government" line. It was used by segregationists and those subscribing to Lost Cause mythos.

4lbs

(6,865 posts)
16. Raygun was being used as a GOP talking head back in the 1960s when he was railing against
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 08:57 AM
Sep 2023

Social Security and MediCare. They claimed that both programs would bankrupt the country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan_Speaks_Out_Against_Socialized_Medicine


Then, they proceeded over 40 or 50 years to try to enact policies that would essentially attempt that. Then they blamed Democrats for it.

It's like an arsonist saying your house is in danger of burning down, you should do something about it, like move or do what he says to prevent it, and then getting inside and setting it on fire with gas and kerosene. Then, as it is burning, turns to you and says "see... I told you. Maybe if those firefighters had responded and gotten here sooner. Why are we paying them all this money again?"

Umm....


appalachiablue

(41,184 posts)
50. Reagan said "Govt. Is the problem" at the Inaugural Address in Wash., DC Jan. 1981.
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 10:58 AM
Sep 2023

Last edited Thu Sep 28, 2023, 11:50 AM - Edit history (1)

At the time I was living in DC. It was a shock that he was elected over Jimmy Carter in Nov. 1980, and it took weeks (then years) to try to recover.

DENVERPOPS

(8,866 posts)
109. Contrary to popular opinion
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 11:42 PM
Sep 2023

Reagan was NOT elected, he was "INSTALLED" by HWBush and his cronies, who used a TREASONOUS ACT, to defeat Carter and have Reagan "INSTALLED" as president.............and that is now known as FACT. That group went on to commit other TREASONOUS acts during their time period. Selling arms behind our government's backs to our enemy Iran, and remember the IRAN/CONTRA affair????

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
15. Well how far back do we look?
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 08:54 AM
Sep 2023

How about the 1940-50s with Ayn Rand and her "virtue of selfishess?" She was the philosophical justification for anti-gov, labeling gov workers as moochers, who stole your money to subsidize poor people.

Or we can look back even farther into slavery and all the evils it fostered.

sanatanadharma

(3,742 posts)
28. When seeing via the karmic-model of 'what-it-is' ...
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 09:28 AM
Sep 2023

When seeing, knowing, accepting, living within the karmic-model of 'what-it-is', we can understand that the roots are immeasurably long, in time and desire.

People are born with (as though) instincts, imbued with impressions of previously chosen trajectories towards either the one-we or the many-ME.

Politics seeks to balance dharmic desires within identities, true realities within the mythologies of societies.

appalachiablue

(41,184 posts)
46. TY! *THE POWELL MEMO* Corporate America's Call To Arms, 1971
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 10:49 AM
Sep 2023


- Powell Memorandum, 1971, "Attack on the American Free Enterprise System." "A Neoliberal Call to Arms."

.. On August 23, 1971, prior to accepting Nixon's nomination to the Supreme Court, Powell was commissioned by his neighbor Eugene B. Sydnor Jr., a close friend and education director of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, to write a confidential memorandum for the chamber entitled "Attack on the American Free Enterprise System," an anti-Communist and anti-New Deal blueprint for conservative business interests to retake America. It was based in part on Powell's reaction to the work of activist Ralph Nader, whose 1965 exposé on General Motors, Unsafe at Any Speed, put a focus on the auto industry putting profit ahead of safety, which triggered the American consumer movement.

Powell saw it as an undermining of the power of private business and a step toward socialism.

His experiences as a corporate lawyer and a director on the board of Phillip Morris from 1964 until his appointment to the Supreme Court made him a champion of the tobacco industry who railed against the growing scientific evidence linking smoking to cancer deaths. He argued, unsuccessfully, that tobacco companies' 1st Amendment rights were being infringed when news organizations were not giving credence to the cancer denials of the industry. The memo called for corporate America to become more aggressive in molding society's thinking about business, government, politics and law in the US. It inspired wealthy heirs of earlier American industrialists, the Earhart Foundation (whose money came from an oil fortune), and the Smith Richardson Foundation (from the cough medicine dynasty) to use their private charitable foundations?which did not have to report their political activities?to join the Carthage Foundation, founded by Richard Mellon Scaife in 1964.

The Carthage Foundation pursued Powell's vision of a pro-business, anti-socialist, minimally government-regulated America based on what he thought America had been in the heyday of early American industrialism, before the Great Depression and the rise of Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal.

The Powell Memorandum ultimately came to be a blueprint for the rise of the American conservative movement and the formation of a network of influential right-wing think tanks and lobbying organizations, such as the Business Roundtable, The Heritage Foundation, the Cato Institute, Manhattan Institute for Policy Research and the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), and inspired the U.S. Chamber of Commerce to become far more politically active.

CUNY professor David Harvey traces the rise of neoliberalism in the US to this memo. Historian Gary Gerstle refers to the memo as "a neoliberal call to arms." Political scientist Aaron Good describes it as an "inverted totalitarian manifesto" designed to identify threats to the established economic order following the democratic upsurge of the 1960s. Powell argued, "The most disquieting voices joining the chorus of criticism came from perfectly respectable elements of society: from the college campus, the pulpit, the media, the intellectual and literary journals, the arts and sciences, and from politicians." In the memorandum, Powell advocated "constant surveillance" of textbook and television content, as well as a purge of left-wing elements. He named consumer advocate Nader as the chief antagonist of American business.

Powell urged conservatives to undertake a sustained media-outreach program, including funding neoliberal scholars, publishing books, papers, popular magazines, and scholarly journals, and influencing public opinion.

This memo foreshadowed a number of Powell's court opinions, especially First National Bank of Boston v. Bellotti, which shifted the direction of First Amendment law by declaring that corporate financial influence of elections by independent expenditures should be protected with the same vigor as individual political speech. Much of the future Court opinion in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission relied on the same arguments raised in Bellotti. Although written confidentially for Sydnor at the Chamber of Commerce, it was discovered by Washington Post columnist Jack Anderson, who reported on its content a year later (after Powell had joined the Supreme Court). Anderson alleged that Powell was trying to undermine the democratic system; however, in terms of business's view of itself in relation to government and public interest groups, the memo could be alternatively read to simply convey conventional thinking among businessmen at the time.

The explicit goal of the memo was not to destroy democracy, though its emphasis on political institution-building as a concentration of big business power, particularly updating the Chamber's efforts to influence federal policy, has had that effect. Here, it was a major force in motivating the Chamber and other groups to modernize their efforts to lobby the federal government. Following the memo's directives, conservative foundations greatly increased, pouring money into think-tanks. This rise of conservative philanthropy led to the conservative intellectual movement and its increasing influence over mainstream political discourse, starting in the 1970s and 1980s, and due chiefly to the works of the American Enterprise Institute and the Heritage Foundation...https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_F._Powell_Jr

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,511 posts)
59. Before the Powell memo, there wasn't so much coordination and planning
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 01:05 PM
Sep 2023

Since then, it seems to be an all-out cold war on liberal democracy, complete with billionaires' proxies. Murdoch provides the tools to manipulate deplorables and sucks in otherwise non-deplorables.

appalachiablue

(41,184 posts)
72. Correct, a call to arms for all out war on liberal democracy, based on a false 'attack'
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 02:14 PM
Sep 2023

on the American Free Enterprise System. Powell and others laid out the plan, and the far right went to work implementing policies and changes that have been in effect for 40+ years. As Powell wanted, a return to The Gilded Age, pre FDR, LBJ and all that 'society stuff,' no taxes on the wealthy and 'job creators,' and attacks on public education and affordable college tuition. The harsh and regressive neoliberal- libertarian ideology of the Free Market was adopted by Reagan, Milton Friedman, Thatcher and many others.

The strategy included funding powerful right wing think tanks, dominating the media - Am Radio, Fox, Murdoch on 3 continents; influencing legislation nationally and on the state level through large numbers of well paid lobbyists; demolishing regulation on business; eliminating the Welfare State; shifting higher education from progressive ideology, the humanities and liberal arts, toward business, law and tech.

As well, build up the Moral Majority, Christian nationalism, reduce rights for minorities, fear monger about soshialism!, 'welfare queens,' urban crime hell, racism, immigrants, LGBTQ, non Christians - The Others.

And look where we are now.

As John Kenneth Galbraith said, "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy: that is, the search for a moral justification for selfishness."

summer_in_TX

(2,766 posts)
104. Gutting the Fairness Doctrine was a planned step.
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 10:32 PM
Sep 2023

Craig R. Smith details how they achieved it with great pride in "The Campaign To Repeal The Fairness Doctrine," his academic paper on just how he and others achieved that.

After all, it was not so many years after the Supreme Court unanimously upheld the Fairness Doctrine in 1969 in The FCC v. Red Lion.

Worth a read.



Want to read it? Contact me by DU Mail. Otherwise it only seems to be available through university libraries that subscribe to Rhetoric and Public Affairs
Vol. 2, No. 3 (Fall 1999), pp. 481-505 (25 pages)
Published By: Michigan State University Press

paleotn

(17,990 posts)
20. The logical conclusion of the southern strategy and the evilgelical strategy.
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 09:03 AM
Sep 2023

Destroying the moderate and socially liberal wings of the Republican Party. What use to be a "big tent" like the Dems. Hard to believe this day and time that LBJ needed Republican votes to pass the Civil Rights Act.

NBachers

(17,155 posts)
24. Nixon preceded Reagan; The Dulles Brothers were Nixon contemporaries; and so on and so on . . .
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 09:24 AM
Sep 2023

My theory is that we could go to any point in human history and see this same struggle played out.

Dawgman49

(226 posts)
26. Lee Atwater
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 09:25 AM
Sep 2023

The gop southern strategy….appeal to racists with covert phrases without having to use the N word

Trailrider1951

(3,415 posts)
60. I recognize Roger Stone and Lee Atwater, but who's the 3rd guy?
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 01:26 PM
Sep 2023

Nixon's White House was every bit corrupt as TFG's residence.

Lonestarblue

(10,120 posts)
34. Other players who have been important to the progression of Republican dystopia are Rupert
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 09:35 AM
Sep 2023

Murdoch and Roger Ailes. Murdoch stated Fox in 1996 and gave a national voice to Republican racism and misogyny. Fox made it easy for Republicans to spread their lies and to stoke anger and hatred of minorities. Without that national voice, which also led to similar voices on hate radio and eventually the internet, Republicans would not have been able to sway the masses as easily.

Old Okie

(146 posts)
36. Republicans
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 10:11 AM
Sep 2023

What I find curious is that we hear a lot about the public face of the party; we almost never hear about the money-men who are funding them. Even MSM will not mention them. At least ProPublica has identified some of them in their expose of Clarence Thomas. We need more public discussions of the who is funding Bannon, Stone and Trump.

spike jones

(1,691 posts)
38. Belva Davis Confronts Violent Racism at the 1964 RNC
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 10:22 AM
Sep 2023

8/24/2020 by BELVA DAVIS

“Never In My Wildest Dreams: A Black Woman’s Life In Journalism.”

"Suddenly Louis and I heard a voice yell, “Hey, look at those two up there!” The accuser pointed us out, and several spectators swarmed beneath us. “Hey ni**ers!” they yelled. “What the hell are you ni**ers doing in here?”
I could feel the hair rising on the back of my neck as I looked into faces turned scarlet and sweaty by heat and hostility. Louis, in suit and tie and perpetually dignified, turned to me and said with all the nonchalance he could muster, “Well, I think that’s enough for today.”
Methodically we began wrapping up the cords to our bulky tape recorder and packing it and the rest of our equipment into suitcases. As we began our descent down the ramps of the Cow Palace, a self-appointed posse dangled over the railings, taunting. “Ni**ers!” “Get out of here, boy!” “You too, ni**er bitch.” “Go on, get out!” “I’m gonna kill your ass.”

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
43. It was really Nixon, if you want to get technical.
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 10:39 AM
Sep 2023

The modern Republican is the product of the Southern Strategy, popularized by Nixon strategist Kevin Phillips.

RANDYWILDMAN

(2,678 posts)
45. Trickle down
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 10:48 AM
Sep 2023

was the beginning of the end of economics that benefitted everybody

"voodoo economics" and we have been paying the price ever since

calimary

(81,550 posts)
91. Yep, The front door was Nixon. But reagan let all the bad guys in
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 06:05 PM
Sep 2023

through the front door, into the living room and den, kitchen, downstairs and upstairs bathrooms and all the bedrooms. Nixon got things started but I mainly blame reagan, who could sweet-talk you into eating a plate of shit and calling it macaroni.

My enduring hatred for ronald reagan knows no bounds, heights or depths. Go all the way down to the bottom of the Marianas Trench and you still won’t be down deep enough to find my burning hatred.

Seinan Sensei

(369 posts)
48. And then there is Elliott Abrams
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 10:52 AM
Sep 2023

Convicted of lying to Congress in 1991, about Iran-Contra.
Appointed by Biden in 2020 to the bipartisan US Advisory Commission on Public Diplomacy.
What is that about ...????

unc70

(6,122 posts)
51. Lots of other evil doers like Jesse Helms
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 11:02 AM
Sep 2023

Senator Helms taught Reagan how to play the race card and gain control of the GOP. Helms was already a constant RW demagogue on TV when he took Reagan under his wing during the 1976 GOP primaries. Helms had over 30 years honing the racist messaging of the Southern Strategy using his prominence in radio and TV news. you remember welfare queens and all the rest.

While there wasn't enough time to win in 1976 against Ford, the constant negative attacks were maintained after the election of Carter. By 1980, the cumulative attacks elected Helms to the Senate, Reagan to the White House.

Helms is a major link from the anti-FDR fascist of the late 1930s to the current Republican Party.

Polybius

(15,514 posts)
56. When people say the right-wing Senators today are the most extreme ever, I call BS
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 11:55 AM
Sep 2023

If Helms were alive and in the Senate today, he'd be the most right-wing Senator, not Cruz, Tuberville, Hawley, or anyone else.

Arthur_Frain

(1,866 posts)
68. Okay
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 01:54 PM
Sep 2023

But that’s like arguing after the horse left the barn, then the barn door closed, the barn caught fire, burned down, was swallowed in a sinkhole that then turned into the equivalent of the LaBrea Tar Pits, which then swallowed the entire town and killed everyone.

Horse still gone, no more barn.

Do we need something else to argue about these days?

Caliman73

(11,755 posts)
89. Reagan and his ilk focused the project, but it has been going on decades before.
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 05:58 PM
Sep 2023

Conservatives had been reeling since their decades in the wilderness after the debacle of the Great Depression.

We need to understand that FDR enacted progressive policies in the New Deal and Keynesian economics to save the US from a socialist revolution, but also because he had much more progressive ideas in mind. Had he served his 4th term, as the war was winding down, he was pivoting toward the Second Bill of Rights, which were MUCH MUCH more socialist in nature, not full in "worker of the world unite" but Freedom From Poverty, The right to leisure, etc... that meant a HUGE shift in government's role in people's lives.

Remember that Conservatives were trying to orchestrate a COUP against FDR, AND many Conservative politicians actively worked with the GOVERNMENT OF GERMANY (the Nazis) during WWII to instill a right wing government here. Eisenhower, though hawkish in foreign policy (with his adventures in Central America and the installation of the Shah in Iran) was still relatively progressive with funding infrastructure through the government. He was likely a HUGE disappointment to Conservatives and he warned us about the Military Industrial Complex and diverting money from the people to War.

Nixon was instrumental in the rightward shift. He brought in people like Roger Ailes, Pat Buchanan, and had both Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld in his administration. Nixon absolutely HATED the press and was working with Ailes and Buchanan on building infrastructure for a Conservative press.

All throughout the late 60's and 70's, think tanks were working on how to stop the accelerating social movements that were challenging the old order. The Powell Memo came out in 1971, and detailed a strategy for business interests and Conservatives to infiltrate government and use media to promote Conservative and pro-business ideas into the mainstream.

As I said, Reagan with his 3 legged Stool of Conservatism, focused the project, bringing people into his administration with the purpose of trying to GUT the New Deal and to destroy the administrative departments like the Department of Education from within. He GREW government despite all the bullshit about "small government" from Conservatives. Only, he grew Defense and the surveillance state while simultaneously gutting social programs. Again, as I have said many times, Conservatives do not give one shit about the size of government, ONLY ITS FUNCTION. They are okay with a HUGE government for the purposes of protecting the wealthy and regulating the behavior of the disgusting masses (us). They do not want ONE penny spent on helping poor people. Poor people in the eyes of Conservatives, deserve the torment in which they live. If they were worthy human beings, they wouldn't be poor after all.

Trump, is just what you eventually end up with after a decades long project of courting the worst elements of society. Trump is an incompetent clown. His only real talent is conning people and being a PR person. He is the epitome of where Conservative ideology will get you, just like the inbred Habsburgs, Tudors, etc.. of the era of absolute monarchy (from which Conservatism sprang).

We aren't looking back far enough if we only stop at Reagan. Conservatives have been looking to establish their reimagined feudal society for a lot longer than the 1980's. Reagan was a big step forward in their plan, but this goes back past the 1930's and has been focused on destroying the progress made by BOTH Roosevelts, Truman, Kennedy, and others.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,163 posts)
90. Last night Michael Steele was trying to admonish the candidates over Reagan
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 05:59 PM
Sep 2023

I don't think anyone brought up Reagan's war against our government. By stating in that snappy slogan ....

“The nine most terrifying words in the English language are ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’”

- At a press conference on August 12th, 1986, US President Ronald Reagan.

tiredtoo

(2,949 posts)
96. Yes it did
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 07:58 PM
Sep 2023

Velshi mentioned this a few days ago. Personally I saw it, and switched from rugged individualist to hard core Democrat when Saint Ronnie fired the PATCO workers.

PurgedVoter

(2,220 posts)
101. It's definitely pre WWII, See Maddow's Ultra Podcast
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 09:45 PM
Sep 2023
https://www.rachelmaddow.com/rachel-maddow-presents-ultra/

This not only pegs it, it reveals a lot and connects it. My own origin for this would be the lost cause and all the lies it told to keep the right wing of the day from having to face the truth.

mahina

(17,724 posts)
102. They just seem to get worse every election
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 09:45 PM
Sep 2023

Who would’ve thought they could find somebody stupider than George W. Bush? Or more corrupt? Could they possibly find somebody stupider and more corrupt than Donald Trump?
God in heaven I hope not.

B.See

(1,333 posts)
115. And let's not forget the pupeteers of the whole shebang the REAL Deep State and Architects...
Fri Sep 29, 2023, 04:15 AM
Sep 2023

... of reich winged ideology, The Heritage Foundation, The Federalist Society, their varied and sometimes obscure offshoot entities, and dark monied (so-called) 'non-profits' as well as their megawealthy administrators, backers, supporters and sychophants.

They've been writing and dictating policy for the right for DECADES.

Look up The Heritage Foundation, "A Blueprint for a New Administration" The Federalist Society etc.

an old article with an interesting diagram:

Some Unsettling Facts About the Koch Brothers - Headcount.org

and another image I'd saved long ago (source unknown):



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