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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Republican debates are fake, pointless spectacles
https://www.vox.com/2024-elections/2023/9/27/23890683/second-republican-debate-gop-fake-rnc-trump
Tonights Republican primary debate is not a real event. It is a performance, a show, a pantomime: a shiny object with virtually no relevance to the outcome of the 2024 presidential primary. Donald Trump is solidly over 50 percent in the national polling averages, and no one else in the primary field has anything that looks like momentum. No opponent has been able to find a line of attack that could hurt him; many of them arent even trying. The great GOP establishment hope, that Trumps legal problems might torpedo his campaign, was a mirage. If anything, the four indictments helped him in the primary.
At this point, the only things that could stop Trump are his death or incapacitation. Everyone in the political world including the debates organizers and non-delusional rival candidates is aware of this fact. Trump isnt participating in the debates because he doesnt need to: He would be lowering himself to share a stage with people who pretend to be rivals, but are really just the warm-up act for his coronation. That doesnt mean the debate is entirely pointless. The other candidates get something out of being on that stage, like improving their future political prospects or satisfying a need for attention. And if you squint, you might get an actually interesting window into the policy debates that will define a post-Trump Republican Party.
But, of course, we are not yet even close to post-Trump. In presenting it as an actual presidential debate, rather than a discussion between somewhat prominent Republicans, the debates organizers are lying to you. With Trump absent, and facing no serious challengers, this is all make-believe politics a ritual the party goes through to cover up the dark reality of what the party has become. The debate is fake. Donald Trumps grip on the GOP is not.
What the debate really is
The case for taking the debate seriously amounts to seeing it as a kind of play-in competition: The candidates are duking it out for the right to become the One True Challenger to Donald Trump. To understand why this isnt true, its worth charting the trajectory of the candidate who previously held that mantle: Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis. In mid-February, DeSantis was within striking distance, coming in roughly 2 percentage points below Trump in the FiveThirtyEight national poll average. But since then, his numbers have been on a downward trajectory. A disastrously run campaign, hampered by the candidates robotic and unlikeable personality, has tanked the primary electorates interest in the Florida governor.
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The Republican debates are fake, pointless spectacles (Original Post)
Celerity
Sep 2023
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Elessar Zappa
(14,084 posts)1. Yup, Trump's "rivals" are delusional.
The best thing that could happen to this country would be Donald Trump six feet under taking a dirt nap. Or prison.
Aristus
(66,474 posts)2. Cringingly amateurish dinner theater.
Fit only for those who think Branson, Missouri is high entertainment.
Just_Vote_Dem
(2,820 posts)3. Yet there will be several threads here about it, I bet n/t
senseandsensibility
(17,157 posts)4. And the media goes along
with the charade.
dweller
(23,680 posts)5. The Pisswig didn't qualify for the debate
He wouldnt sign the loyalty pledge
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WarGamer
(12,485 posts)6. THIS 100%
NCDem47
(2,250 posts)7. Auditions for VP?
None of them have ANY backbone to alienate MAGAts. Therefore few relentlessly go for the kill on Trump.
A. Total. Waste.