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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSince we are Questioning Peoples Integrity, Sen McCain,What Really Happened That Horrible Day in 67?
with all due respect to Senator McCain and his military service.... It's time we get a few things straight, especially after McCain's Hateful attack on Susan Rice....
John McCain has had a few problems of his own, with getting his facts straight about an incident that claimed many more lives than were lost at Benghazi:
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Investigating John McCains Tragedy at Sea
The USS Forrestal, with burning planes on deck, is shown in a 1967 file photo. The Navys worst disaster since World War II claimed the lives of 134 sailors.
John McCains personal account of his life has shaped a powerful political narrative that accords him deference on the full range of policy issues. His first effort at shaping that narrative received a remarkable boost when the May 14, 1973, edition of U.S. News & World Report gave him space for what is perhaps the longest article the magazine had ever run, a 12,000-word piece composed entirely of his unedited and often rambling account of his prisoner-of-war experience. Ever since, McCain has added compelling details at key points in his political career. When his stories are placed beside documented evidence from other sources, significant contradictions often emerge. One such case involves McCains experience in the devastating fire and explosions that killed 134 sailors on the aircraft carrier USS Forrestal during the Vietnam War three months before he was shot down over North Vietnam. McCain has made claims about this accident that differ dramatically from parts of the official Navy report and accounts of reliable eyewitnesses.
In considering the 1967 catastrophe, it is important to note that the official report concluded that no individual bore responsibility for the fire or its spread. There are a number of conflicting accounts of the Forrestal accident, but here is the story as based on the strongest sources. The fire started at 10:51 a.m. Saturday, July 29, 1967, as 30-year-old Lt. Cmdr. John McCain sat on the port side of the Forrestal in his A-4 Skyhawk going through preflight checks. To his right was Lt. Cmdr. Fred White, also in an A-4 Skyhawk attack aircraft. A Zuni rocket on another airplane accidentally fired and flew across the flight deck, passing through Whites auxiliary fuel tank and falling into the ocean. Fuel spilled onto the deck from Whites craft and ignited. McCain told his biographer, Robert Timberg, and repeats in his own book, Faith of My Fathers, that the rocket hit his own plane and knocked two bombs from it into the burning fuel as he scrambled out of his cockpit and raced to safety across the deck.1
-snip-
Whatever the circumstances of the fires origins, McCain did not stay on deck to help fight the blaze as the men around him did. With the firefighting crew virtually wiped out, men untrained in fighting fires had to pick up the fire hoses, rescue the wounded or frantically throw bombs and even planes over the ships side to prevent further tragedy. McCain left them behind and went down to the hangar-bay level, where he briefly helped crew members heave some bombs overboard. After that, he went to the pilots ready room and watched the fire on a television monitor hooked to a camera trained on the deck.
McCain has never been asked to explain why he claims that the Zuni rocket struck his plane. If a bomb or bombs subsequently fell from McCains plane as he has said, it seems to strongly suggests pilot error, and if a bomb or bombs did not fall from his plane, it suggests rash disregard for important facts in his accounts of the accident.
There is plenty more about this story that raises questions about McCains truthfulness and judgment. In the first hours after the fire, he apparently did not claim to have been injured. New York Times reporter R.W. Apple, who helicoptered out to the ship the day after the tragedy and sought out McCain as the son and grandson of two noted admirals, never mentioned him being wounded, although he reported on him more than on any other crew member. This would be an odd omission on Apples part if McCain indeed had been wounded, given that service wounds are usually highlighted in such reports during wartime. McCains own father, after seeing his son several weeks later, sent a letter to relatives and friends about the fire saying, Happily for all of us, he [John] came through without a scratch.2
Investigating John McCains Tragedy at Sea
The USS Forrestal, with burning planes on deck, is shown in a 1967 file photo. The Navys worst disaster since World War II claimed the lives of 134 sailors.
John McCains personal account of his life has shaped a powerful political narrative that accords him deference on the full range of policy issues. His first effort at shaping that narrative received a remarkable boost when the May 14, 1973, edition of U.S. News & World Report gave him space for what is perhaps the longest article the magazine had ever run, a 12,000-word piece composed entirely of his unedited and often rambling account of his prisoner-of-war experience. Ever since, McCain has added compelling details at key points in his political career. When his stories are placed beside documented evidence from other sources, significant contradictions often emerge. One such case involves McCains experience in the devastating fire and explosions that killed 134 sailors on the aircraft carrier USS Forrestal during the Vietnam War three months before he was shot down over North Vietnam. McCain has made claims about this accident that differ dramatically from parts of the official Navy report and accounts of reliable eyewitnesses.
In considering the 1967 catastrophe, it is important to note that the official report concluded that no individual bore responsibility for the fire or its spread. There are a number of conflicting accounts of the Forrestal accident, but here is the story as based on the strongest sources. The fire started at 10:51 a.m. Saturday, July 29, 1967, as 30-year-old Lt. Cmdr. John McCain sat on the port side of the Forrestal in his A-4 Skyhawk going through preflight checks. To his right was Lt. Cmdr. Fred White, also in an A-4 Skyhawk attack aircraft. A Zuni rocket on another airplane accidentally fired and flew across the flight deck, passing through Whites auxiliary fuel tank and falling into the ocean. Fuel spilled onto the deck from Whites craft and ignited. McCain told his biographer, Robert Timberg, and repeats in his own book, Faith of My Fathers, that the rocket hit his own plane and knocked two bombs from it into the burning fuel as he scrambled out of his cockpit and raced to safety across the deck.1
-snip-
Whatever the circumstances of the fires origins, McCain did not stay on deck to help fight the blaze as the men around him did. With the firefighting crew virtually wiped out, men untrained in fighting fires had to pick up the fire hoses, rescue the wounded or frantically throw bombs and even planes over the ships side to prevent further tragedy. McCain left them behind and went down to the hangar-bay level, where he briefly helped crew members heave some bombs overboard. After that, he went to the pilots ready room and watched the fire on a television monitor hooked to a camera trained on the deck.
McCain has never been asked to explain why he claims that the Zuni rocket struck his plane. If a bomb or bombs subsequently fell from McCains plane as he has said, it seems to strongly suggests pilot error, and if a bomb or bombs did not fall from his plane, it suggests rash disregard for important facts in his accounts of the accident.
There is plenty more about this story that raises questions about McCains truthfulness and judgment. In the first hours after the fire, he apparently did not claim to have been injured. New York Times reporter R.W. Apple, who helicoptered out to the ship the day after the tragedy and sought out McCain as the son and grandson of two noted admirals, never mentioned him being wounded, although he reported on him more than on any other crew member. This would be an odd omission on Apples part if McCain indeed had been wounded, given that service wounds are usually highlighted in such reports during wartime. McCains own father, after seeing his son several weeks later, sent a letter to relatives and friends about the fire saying, Happily for all of us, he [John] came through without a scratch.2
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Since we are Questioning Peoples Integrity, Sen McCain,What Really Happened That Horrible Day in 67? (Original Post)
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(12,869 posts)1. Don't forget the Keating five.