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LiberalLoner

(9,761 posts)
1. I grew up around the Army Infantry. My father, bio father, godfather and everyone I knew...
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:19 AM
Nov 2012

I was born in 1961 and was immersed in the culture of the U.S. Army Infantry. Every guy I saw - without exception - was a binge drinker on weekends, and had affairs. My father and godfather, good friends, used to go out every Friday night to pick up some chicks to have sex with. Usually would find them at the "O" club. My mother and godmother knew about it, just looked the other way, because all the guys did it. It was a central part of the culture.

My husband is not Infantry, so I am not immersed in the culture any more. Maybe those who served in the Infantry more recently can comment on the general culture.

But when I heard this - I thought, typical. So typical. That is the culture of the Infantry, at least when I was growing up. Petraeus did not do anything all the guys haven't done. At least that's how it used to be.

It sometimes takes a lot of time for organizational cultures to change. I really do wonder, is the Infantry still the way I remembered it when I was growing up? If it is, Petraeus was just part of the culture...you get in a culture like that and you really start to believe it is normal behavior.

 

bigdarryl

(13,190 posts)
2. I'm not surprised about all the sex in the military I saw it first hand between 1978 to 1982
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:29 AM
Nov 2012

When I was enlisted in the Army.There was so much screwing and adultery in the Army it was ridiculous and it was mostly with higher enlisted personnel like the Staff Sgts to the Sargent Majors with woman who were lower enlisted like the privates and PFC'S . I never heard of the Generals involved at the time I was in but that's not to say there wasn't

w8liftinglady

(23,278 posts)
4. It wasn't just the Army... USAF/NSA brat here
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 12:36 PM
Nov 2012

the NCO club was mecca for old lifers and middle aged hookers.
All wives knew about it. I talked to my mom the other night.
She just shrugged and said.."We kind of viewed it as jacking off".

SDjack

(1,448 posts)
3. John McCain had a reputation for screwing the female trainees at the
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 12:29 PM
Nov 2012

navy air pilot school that the commanded. If true, it was strictly a violation of military code. I wonder if this is why he has kept his head low regarding Petreaus' sexual behavior. Instead of burning Pres. Obama at the stake, the mob could grab McHypocrite.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
5. "...more serious"? The CIA Director/Central Commander hanging out with Florida grifters while...
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 01:41 PM
Nov 2012

...his paramour-biographer, fawning over his awesome awesomeness, gathers up secret government documents by the barrelful, and Bushwhack plotters plot how this and Benghazi can be brought together to oust the President, is LESS serious than a brigadier general's alleged sex crimes?

BOTH are VERY serious. But, as to national security, the Petraeus scandal wins, hands down, as to seriousness. But why even make this comparison? It invites contradiction and thus risks demeaning the suffering of the brigadier general's victims (if he's guilty) because those are individual crimes, as far as we know, whereas Petraeus may have been the center of a coup d'etat attempt. At the least, the Petraeus scandal reveals the utter corruption at the center of the U.S. war machine, which may have led a brigadier general to think that he could do whatever he damned please with impunity.

I just want to also mention the "Uniform Code of Military Justice," which the Bush Junta (including its "savior," Petraeus) threw into the bonfire with the U.S. Constitution, what with their torture dungeons and making up their own category of "prisoner of war" ("enemy combatant" = human with no human rights). The Uniform Code of Military Justice forbids "adultery" FOR A REASON. I may not agree with that law but it IS the law in the military, or WAS--or perhaps I should say, still is but only selectively. I recall a young AF pilot, a woman, whom us taxpayers spent millions of dollars to train, who got booted out of the AF for a mere consenting-adults affair. (--couple of years ago, circa tail end of the Bush Junta). Meanwhile, the TOP COMMANDER of two unjust, vastly lawless wars, now heading the CIA, not only carries on outside of his marriage, and stirs up a cat fight between competing mata haris, and gets involved in one of their divorces from a war profiteer, and gives these grifters easy access to a USAF base, his own nutball biographer-grifter-mistress travels around in style with the CIA Directer, gathering up sensitive emails and other documents!

How many violations of the UCMJ do we have here, that we will NEVER see a courtmartial for, because Betray-Us is too well-connected? The national security implications of this scofflaw's personal behavior are bad enough (the reason for the "adultery" prohibition in the UCMJ). Add Benghazi and we may be looking at a treasonous plot as well. "The law" is for the grubs and the poor. It is not for the 1%, whether war profiteer or corporate privateer or the uber-rich. While this lot of war profiteers sauntered around the world in luxury at our expense, doing whatever they damned please, they were sending our soldiers from their private hells BACK INTO COMBAT time and time again, with "stop loss," and prosecuting some of them for war crimes that were commanded from the top!

We need to address the PRIVATIZATION of our war machine--the use of our war machine for PRIVATE PROFIT--whether it's for self-aggrandizing affairs and biographies or stealing billions of federal dollars in military contracts/boondoggles or cornering the world's oil supply with mass murder. This out-of-control corruption of the U.S. military is the heart of the Petraeus scandal. Sex crimes are very serious, yes--but WHY do the generals think they are above the law? That is the more serious question for our democracy.

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