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snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:22 PM Nov 2012

Almost human: Photographer's intimate studio portraits that show wild creatures making unnervingly

similar gestures to us

The 54-year-old has created a collection of incredible photographic portraits of animals so intimate they reveal the complex emotions of their subjects. And the emotions on show look strikingly familiar to our own





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Almost human: Photographer's intimate studio portraits that show wild creatures making unnervingly (Original Post) snagglepuss Nov 2012 OP
Spectacular. Sheldon Cooper Nov 2012 #1
"Guys ... I think the camera guy found zbdent Nov 2012 #11
Haha! Sheldon Cooper Nov 2012 #14
It's almost like a "Dutch Master" painting. TahitiNut Nov 2012 #24
Yes - a 'Dutch Master' painting Sheldon Cooper Nov 2012 #45
thats my favorite picture as well AlecBGreen Nov 2012 #25
is it painful for a chicken to have its feathers plucked while it's alive...? BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #2
an answer to my own question- they're bred that way. BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #5
Why can't chickens look like the ones we grew up with? Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2012 #30
Fortunately, I keep my feathers numbered for just such an emergency... n/t backscatter712 Nov 2012 #38
He was someone you loved to hate. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2012 #40
go away son, you bother me... BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #43
that chicken was a smartass Skittles Nov 2012 #61
Ugh. Why do we have to tamper with these poor creatures? cui bono Nov 2012 #42
I know, that was my first thought! Hydra Nov 2012 #53
Where are the God followers on genetic engineering? cui bono Nov 2012 #59
Me either, and I expected to Hydra Nov 2012 #60
poor chicken Liberal_in_LA Nov 2012 #9
Obviously a Republican chickenhawk Berlum Nov 2012 #57
the arrogance of religions that proclaim us special and made in "god's" image nt msongs Nov 2012 #3
according to my understanding, yes, we are both special and made in God's image AlecBGreen Nov 2012 #23
AFAWK Hydra Nov 2012 #54
wow AlecBGreen Nov 2012 #62
The equal consideration thing is a thorny issue Hydra Nov 2012 #66
indeed Flaxbee Nov 2012 #26
+infinity Jamastiene Nov 2012 #49
"Man was created to be a little lower than the angels... alterfurz Nov 2012 #44
I got a couple "kids" that proved that to me a long time ago nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #4
That chicken Livluvgrow Nov 2012 #6
There s a type of chicken nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #8
I hope so. Liberal_in_LA Nov 2012 #10
Beautiful! Frosty1 Nov 2012 #7
I want to hang that bat photo on my wall LadyHawkAZ Nov 2012 #12
This is an adorable picture of black mastiff bat embryos. Jamastiene Nov 2012 #27
Here's a laptop-sized version: NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #32
Thank you! Jamastiene Nov 2012 #47
Thank you for the awesome pictures kimbutgar Nov 2012 #13
spectacular. He has been one of the greats for a long time. robinlynne Nov 2012 #15
Pure beauty! TY arthritisR_US Nov 2012 #16
Wow. brer cat Nov 2012 #17
Very nice post ! nt jaysunb Nov 2012 #18
cool stuff Go Vols Nov 2012 #19
The gorilla hand is incredible. Curmudgeoness Nov 2012 #20
awesome Vattel Nov 2012 #21
Fantastic work. blue neen Nov 2012 #22
Amazing graywarrior Nov 2012 #28
I was with you until... IDoMath Nov 2012 #29
Take that up with the DM. I have simply copy and pasted. snagglepuss Nov 2012 #52
What a cute little bat. I wonder if it has rabies. lonestarnot Nov 2012 #31
Incredible! These are amazing. NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #33
Love the photos, hate the title. morningfog Nov 2012 #34
Beautiful pics! AlbertCat Nov 2012 #35
I suppose all those dogs and cats and other animals who sit on command, Jamastiene Nov 2012 #50
Those are some pretty amazing coincidences, aren't they? AlbertCat Nov 2012 #63
...You're kidding, right? Hydra Nov 2012 #56
You're kidding, right? AlbertCat Nov 2012 #64
lol Hydra Nov 2012 #65
The idea that they don't think is a funny one, AlbertCat Nov 2012 #67
we're all animals AlbertCat Nov 2012 #68
I've taken a recent liking to bats.. barnabas63 Nov 2012 #36
Never thought I would say a bat is cute... ohheckyeah Nov 2012 #41
watch this..lil Drac barnabas63 Nov 2012 #46
That was a cool video, thanks /nt workinclasszero Nov 2012 #48
Oh - how cute. ohheckyeah Nov 2012 #55
Bats are highly beneficial to our surroundings. Jamastiene Nov 2012 #51
oh my so beautiful flamingdem Nov 2012 #37
Du rec. Nt xchrom Nov 2012 #39
nice pics... however, I will remain an omnivore scheming daemons Nov 2012 #58

zbdent

(35,392 posts)
11. "Guys ... I think the camera guy found
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:37 PM
Nov 2012

our boardroom ... ixnay on the corporate talk ... start grunting ..."

 

BlueMan Votes

(903 posts)
5. an answer to my own question- they're bred that way.
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:33 PM
Nov 2012

seeing the little tufts of feathers, i just assumed that it had been plucked.

nope.

http://avaxnews.com/disgusting/Naked_Chicken.html

A genetically engineered featherless rooster struts around the campus of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem's Department of Agriculture May 22, 2002 in Rehovot, Israeli. After two years of research, departmental scientists announced the naked chicken, as it has been dubbed, as a low calorie bird because the lack of feathers means the chicken has less fat. It also matures earlier than its feathered counterparts. (Photo by Moshe Milner/GPO/Getty Images)

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
42. Ugh. Why do we have to tamper with these poor creatures?
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 04:16 AM
Nov 2012


I'm sure they also do it so there's less work when they process them into food.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
53. I know, that was my first thought!
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 02:55 PM
Nov 2012

That poor chicken! There's a reason it had feathers...but we just found that "inconvenient"

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
60. Me either, and I expected to
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 04:58 PM
Nov 2012

If there was ever a case of trampling in "God's" flower garden, genetic engineering would be PRIME.

AlecBGreen

(3,874 posts)
23. according to my understanding, yes, we are both special and made in God's image
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:11 PM
Nov 2012

We are special in that we are the only species that (AFAWK) can contemplate the nature of reality and our place in it. We are made in God's image in that, like God, we have the ability to create, to shape nature and to help draw out its latent potential. Not only that but we also take great joy in our handiwork. Thats the way I see it anyway. That doesn't strike me as arrogant.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
54. AFAWK
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 03:03 PM
Nov 2012

Which isn't much. Up until recently infants were not given anesthesia because it was thought they had not developed the equipment to feel pain yet.

What do you know? We assumed, and they suffered. Not unlike the animals that supposedly can't talk and don't have more than instincts.

Hopefully one day we'll give equal status and consideration to our fellow living being as equals...but since we can't even do that with our own species, I'm not holding my breath.

AlecBGreen

(3,874 posts)
62. wow
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 06:58 PM
Nov 2012

I had never heard what you mentioned re: infant anesthesia. How could anyone assume that!? Crazy... (I say "crazy" with the complete understanding that many years from now, our descendants will look back on us and the views we now hold and wonder the same thing!)

I dont think we will ever give equal consideration and status to animals. I cannot imagine a scenario where the life of a human and say, the life of a deer are held to be equal. I DO think we will increase our compassion towards animals but where does one draw the line? At insects? Worms? Do we include plants? Maybe sequoias and ancient oaks etc but what about dandelions and thistles? Im not trying to be trite, I just think that on so many issues, its not black and white but gray.

"...since we can't even do that with our own species, I'm not holding my breath." I hear you but dont give up hope!

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
66. The equal consideration thing is a thorny issue
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 12:16 PM
Nov 2012

I eat meat. I enjoy eating meat. We can't live without eating things that are alive and probably aware. We eat some things raw, or kill them horribly in the cooking process(Lobster anyone?). Are we wrong to do that, or is that the cycle of life?

At the root though, I think we do ourselves and other animals a disservice by dismissing them as lesser beings. By disrespecting them(and each other in similar ways) we're closing our mind to a bigger world that exists, but we don't accept.

Flaxbee

(13,661 posts)
26. indeed
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:21 PM
Nov 2012

the arrogance of believing these creatures don't have souls boggles my mind. All a person (who does not have massive inferiority complex) has to do is look into any one of those animal's eyes and SEE the soul, the unique individual. Different from humans, but no less valuable or unique.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
49. +infinity
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 12:10 PM
Nov 2012

I could not agree more. My mother says that if our pets and other animals do not go to Heaven when they die, she doesn't want to go there either. She wants to go where our pets went when they died. I agree with her. I'm not sure what happens or if there really is an afterlife, but if there is, I don't want to go to an afterlife without animals in it. An afterlife without animals would be my definition of a Hell.

To this day, I still despise the term "anthropomorphism." Animals most certainly do have emotions. Anyone who claims otherwise must have their heads in the sand. It would take an extremely dense, cold, and uncaring person not to see it after seeing all of the videos of animals showing real emotions toward not only their own kind, but also toward other species, including humans. Of course, when I mentioned the word a while back on DU and how scientists coined that term and that many scientists follow that school of thought, I was lambasted as anti-science. No, I'm pro-science. I just think the scientists that refuse to acknowledge that animals express emotions and have emotions need to get their heads out of the sand and look at the animals around them.

alterfurz

(2,474 posts)
44. "Man was created to be a little lower than the angels...
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:04 AM
Nov 2012

...and he's been getting lower ever since." -- Mark Twain

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
8. There s a type of chicken
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:35 PM
Nov 2012

That was created in Israel that is featherless. I am betting this is the case.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
27. This is an adorable picture of black mastiff bat embryos.
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:41 PM
Nov 2012


http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/10/nikon-small-world-winners/?pid=5122

I want to find the one at the link in the wide screen laptop size for wallpaper. I think it is 1400x990 or something like that. It's so adorable. If the first bat embryo on the left just had his little wing/hands (I can't remember the correct term) over his ears, it would be a perfect "Hear no evil. Speak no evil. See no evil." photo. I love it anyhow.

The one in the article in the OP is adorable too.

kimbutgar

(21,153 posts)
13. Thank you for the awesome pictures
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:51 PM
Nov 2012

It is so obvious we are all living creatures on this planet and have a shared essence, that words can't adequately describe.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
21. awesome
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:07 PM
Nov 2012

Some day we will recognize that the well-being of other sentient creatures matters as much as our own well-being.

 

IDoMath

(404 posts)
29. I was with you until...
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:52 PM
Nov 2012

"And the emotions on show look strikingly familiar to our own "

They may look familiar but you do a disservice to the animal to assume they are similar. Anthropomorphizing animals deprives them of their own identities and clouds our ability to learn what those identities are.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
35. Beautiful pics!
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 12:27 AM
Nov 2012

Amazing and moving.

But the emotions look like ours because we anthropomorphize.... everything from these animals to the weather.

In reality, one has little idea how animals see and interpret the world. I mean, your cat or dog really doesn't understand what you say to them. They live in a world of sounds and smells we cannot detect. And they don't see as we see. And of course they don't have the same brain with the same connections we have.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
50. I suppose all those dogs and cats and other animals who sit on command,
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 12:17 PM
Nov 2012

and do other tricks based on words we say to them are just doing the exact thing we ask them at the exact time we ask them are doing it all by mere coincidence then? Those are some pretty amazing coincidences, aren't they?

Your post is full of shit.

I had a cat that knew left from right based on what directions we gave her after she went blind. Not only that, she knew exactly what we told her on many many everyday things. She even got my aunt's medicine for her when I was away and my aunt needed that certain medicine to be able to breathe.

Animals can and do understand what we are saying to them. The biggest problem is that we don't understand what they say to us. When it comes to superiority in understanding communications outside of their own species, animals have us beat, hands down.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
63. Those are some pretty amazing coincidences, aren't they?
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 10:41 PM
Nov 2012

Oh please....

Are you serious? You think you dog understands English. Are you gonna teach it French next?

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
56. ...You're kidding, right?
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 03:12 PM
Nov 2012

My dog used to play games with us to get more treats. One of the things he'd do occasionally was look at us blankly when we gave him a command, basically a non-verbal "I don't speak english..."

I decisively caught him at it though. I had my back turned so was not looking at him or giving him gestures and told him I had a treat for him and that he needed to leave the dining room and go sit and wait by the front door.

He couldn't do it fast enough! Busted!

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
64. You're kidding, right?
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 10:44 PM
Nov 2012

C'mon people!

You've GOT to be joking! Knowing a few commands to sit and stay is NOT UNDERSTNDING ENGLISH. Have you tried explaining pluperfect tense to your dog yet?


Jesus H Christ!

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
65. lol
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 11:32 AM
Nov 2012

Putting together a string of commands is...language. Understanding and doing it or resisting it is also known as "thought."

The truth is, we're all animals, just like them. We do some things better than them, and they do some things better than us.

The idea that they don't think is a funny one, but if it helps you feel better about yourself, feel free to continue to believe so despite evidence to the contrary.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
67. The idea that they don't think is a funny one,
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 09:26 PM
Nov 2012

Where did I say that????

Please quote me saying they don't think.

They DO think.... but not like us.

If you tell your well trained dog to shit instead of sit.... I'll be he sits instead. He does not understand what you are talking to him about. He may understand a handful of commands, because he expects a reward, even if you say a similar word...or a different sounding word altogether but use the same hand gestures. But that is not what I am talking about.

I do understand English, however and can see when you make things up and put words in my mouth. You folks are ridiculous!


P.S. You cat wants to wear clothes too...and even though he's a carnivore, you dog really wants to eat vegan!

barnabas63

(1,214 posts)
36. I've taken a recent liking to bats..
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 12:41 AM
Nov 2012

I don't know why, but they are interesting and in a strange way even CUTE!

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
55. Oh - how cute.
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 03:05 PM
Nov 2012

Is your username and the fact you like bats a coincidence or are you a Dark Shadows fan?

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
51. Bats are highly beneficial to our surroundings.
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 12:20 PM
Nov 2012

They eat lots of mosquitoes. With the threat from so many diseases from mosquitoes, I am thankful to the bats' appetites for mosquitoes.

I have always thought bats were cute and amazing creatures. Welcome to the bat appreciation world. They are amazing little creatures.

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