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snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 08:06 PM Nov 2012

Paula Broadwell warned Gen. Allen and other generals against "seductress" Jill Kelley

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Among the hundreds of emails exchanged between Allen and Kelly - Orr reports that investigators are focusing on one from several months ago. In it, Allen told Kelley he'd just received an anonymous email warning him to stay away from her.

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Sources say that the anonymous email came from Broadwell, Petraeus' mistress, who allegedly warned Gen. Allen that Kelley was "a seductress."

Broadwell allegedly sent similar warnings to other military officers at the U.S. Central Command, located near Kelley's Tampa home.



http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505266_162-57549505/sources-paula-broadwell-warned-gen-allen-against-seductress-jill-kelley/



That is a lot of nerve for one seductress to blow the whistle on another.

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Paula Broadwell warned Gen. Allen and other generals against "seductress" Jill Kelley (Original Post) snagglepuss Nov 2012 OP
I'll bet the Lifetime Movie Network is writing the script already livetohike Nov 2012 #1
lol. Paula is a Harvard, Westpoint grad, was colonel, yet she's behaving like a teen with a crush Liberal_in_LA Nov 2012 #5
Maybe not. Maybe she really knew something about those women and was trying to warn sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #7
Maybe but her own affair with the General damages her credibility Liberal_in_LA Nov 2012 #8
I think so too n/t riverwalker Nov 2012 #12
Sounds like she should have been warning Petraeus about herself. LisaL Nov 2012 #20
That depends. Two gung ho military types, pro everything USA, having an affair is not sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #23
The only person missing is the crazy crosscountry diaper wearing astronaut Generic Other Nov 2012 #21
She really used the word "seductress"? Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #2
Makes sense sandyshoes17 Nov 2012 #3
Anyone want to bet that Jill Kelley is operating as a "madame"? Running a call girl (boy?) svc? nt riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #4
There may be more to that than it appears to be. Who are those women? sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #6
I think you're spot on to be suspicious of these two however there are snagglepuss Nov 2012 #9
Maybe she knew his weaknesses, but was also concerned about the country. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #11
I'm with you Sabrina. amandabeech Nov 2012 #14
What is needed is a real investigative journalist to try to find out who introduced Jill Kelley into sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #19
Who's the guy from Rolling Stone? Is it Taibbi? amandabeech Nov 2012 #24
Matt Taibbi, or Jeremy Scahill who is very good on foreign policy. The one who probably sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #27
Yes, and lack of judgement by Allen who is about to be promoted! flamingdem Nov 2012 #30
because of Natalie's now ex-husband, that's how riverwalker Nov 2012 #13
Very interesting. Do you know the timeline of when Jill Kelley began her social gatherings sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #22
"she goes from a Right Wing War Profiteer to a big Dem Fundraiser" aletier_v Nov 2012 #25
Maybe, maybe not. Top Generals and Intelligence people don't generally sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #28
Just want to add that Jill was in everyone's business and that benefits Allen flamingdem Nov 2012 #31
Allen's wife for what it's worth looks almost identical to Holly Petreus. snagglepuss Nov 2012 #34
they've had twenty-plus years to hone their man-trapping skills :0 aletier_v Nov 2012 #32
They had a good run flamingdem Nov 2012 #35
THAT is what I would like to know, it's infuriating that these people have that kind of access. nt Raine Nov 2012 #15
Meow mix BeyondGeography Nov 2012 #10
It takes one to know one :) aletier_v Nov 2012 #16
Sounds like they were all trying to "collect them all" GObamaGO Nov 2012 #17
US Centcom Corgigal Nov 2012 #18
Eliminate the competition! FSogol Nov 2012 #26
Sure sounds like it to me. LisaL Nov 2012 #29
This actually makes a marginal amount of sense. hifiguy Nov 2012 #33

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
23. That depends. Two gung ho military types, pro everything USA, having an affair is not
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:25 PM
Nov 2012

necessarily a threat to security. But two women whose credentials for having the kind of access they had, seem to be nothing more than the fact that they were attractive is entirely different.

They had no military or political connections that we know of, yet managed to insinuate themselves deep into the Military and Intel community. Maybe Broadwell suspected them of not being what they seemed to be and knowing the weaknesses of some of the Generals, having first hand experience with them, she may have been trying to prevent them being used by women as clever and 'seductive' as she was, but with different motives?

May be why all of her warnings were made anonymously as far as I can tell. She had basically destroyed her own credibility re the 'seductress' claim. That doesn't mean she didn't have serious reasons for concern.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
21. The only person missing is the crazy crosscountry diaper wearing astronaut
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:18 PM
Nov 2012

I am starting to think these are what our 19th century counterparts would have labeled "camp followers."

 

Anthony McCarthy

(507 posts)
2. She really used the word "seductress"?
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 08:13 PM
Nov 2012

Pretty cheeky for a "the other woman" to call someone else a "seductress".

My theory is that Holly Petraeus gave lover boy an ultimatum that he retire or else. She must be so tired of this shit.

sandyshoes17

(657 posts)
3. Makes sense
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 08:14 PM
Nov 2012

This a.m. they were saying her e-mail name was kellypatrol, and they still sat there and giggled but didn't connect any dots.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
6. There may be more to that than it appears to be. Who are those women?
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 08:18 PM
Nov 2012

How did they gain the kind of access they had to top Military Generals and the Intelligence community? Who helped them initially to gain that kind of access? They were not military, not intelligence that we know of, just ordinary women yet at a time when our Government told us they had to spy on every American for 'security' reasons, these two twenty somethings, which they were when they first arrived in Tampa, had free access to the top Brass in the military.

Jill Kelley moved to Tampa in 2001. How did she get from being the wife of a doctor to being a confidante of Generals especially when every other American in her position was considered a possible security risk and treated that way?

Something is missing about those women. Someone had to give them access. Try inviting a top General to your house for dinner out of the blue and see what happens. At the very least you would be ignored, at worst you would be on a no fly list.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
9. I think you're spot on to be suspicious of these two however there are
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 08:31 PM
Nov 2012

questions about Petreus odd behavior that indicate a lack of judgement, for instance Broadwell accuses Kelley in an email of inappropriately touching Petreus in an intimate manner under a table. Did Petreus tell her this? If not him who? If he did was he trying to make her jealous?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
11. Maybe she knew his weaknesses, but was also concerned about the country.
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 08:46 PM
Nov 2012

She certainly damaged her own credibility, if that should turn out to be the case, by having an affair with him herself.

I just can't understand the access those other two had. Eg, I worked for a top Dem Fundraiser, very well known in the Dem Party. They hosted dinner parties etc in order to help Dems get elected and often had many top Dems at their home. But it was for a purpose, not just to socialize, and she and her husband have a long, long history with the Dem Party and probably the Repub party and with the Secret Svc who knew them very well.

But Jill Kelley's parties were not fundraisers, they were social events which seemed to have no other purpose. When she first arrived in Tampa she was in her twenties. You don't go from being an ordinary civilian/citizen to having the access she had without knowing someone. I would love to know who introduced them into those circles and vouched for them.

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
14. I'm with you Sabrina.
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:51 PM
Nov 2012

The lives of these two in Tampa just don't add up.

Also, the sister, Natalie, was married to a Bush appointee who was in Iraq early looking for deals, as far as I can tell.

Natalie also received a $300,000 loan from a Rhode Island Dem fundraiser who worked for Kerry, I think.

Both twins are now deeply, deeply in debt.

It just doesn't add up.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
19. What is needed is a real investigative journalist to try to find out who introduced Jill Kelley into
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:11 PM
Nov 2012

that most protected circle. Her attitude that she has a right to be protected from the press leads me to believe that someone gave her that impression. But whoever they are and whatever their purpose was, it looks like these revelations were not expected. And now it looks like she, Jill Kelley is being tossed aside. I hope she doesn't threaten to reveal anything for her own sake.

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
24. Who's the guy from Rolling Stone? Is it Taibbi?
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:27 PM
Nov 2012

I just can't get the name to pop into my pre-senile brain. No doubt it will come up tomorrow morning.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
27. Matt Taibbi, or Jeremy Scahill who is very good on foreign policy. The one who probably
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 12:26 AM
Nov 2012

would have the most inside sources would be Sy Hersch. I've been following Jeremy Scahill on Twitter but he seems as puzzled as everyone else, so far.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
30. Yes, and lack of judgement by Allen who is about to be promoted!
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 12:46 AM
Nov 2012

They're going to let it go with him and I bet he stays in touch with Jill, dumbazz

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
22. Very interesting. Do you know the timeline of when Jill Kelley began her social gatherings
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:20 PM
Nov 2012

at her home? As I recall, but will have to check back, she and her husband were friends of Gen. Allen's for several years. I guess my question is, when did the sister marry this Defense Contractor guy. Their son is 4 years old, they separated after one year of marriage and she took custody of the baby. So it sounds like they married only about 5 years ago. And Jill seems to have been friends with Gen. Allen for a year or two before that, but don't take my word for it, I'm just going by memory.

What we need is a timeline. Another point, if Natalie was married to a Right Wing War Profiteer, how on earth did she get involved with a Dem Fundraiser? And we know she wrote letters to her ex using her connections to Dems to ask his permission to bring her son 'back' to Sen Whitehouse's place where he supposedly had such a 'great time' last summer.

So basically she goes from a Right Wing War Profiteer to a big Dem Fundraiser.

Later when I have more time, I am going to try to do a timeline of what we know. Thanks for that link, it is very interesting.

aletier_v

(1,773 posts)
25. "she goes from a Right Wing War Profiteer to a big Dem Fundraiser"
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:47 PM
Nov 2012

She's just a money-seeking missile, political ideology doesn't matter.

I sure got that impression from the high-school days article.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
28. Maybe, maybe not. Top Generals and Intelligence people don't generally
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 12:29 AM
Nov 2012

exchange thousands of emails with 'money seeking missiles'. From what we know, Gen. Allen was very close to Jill Kelley and even from the war zone, was in touch with her through emails. Sorry, I think there is much more to it than that unless our top Generals and Intel people are the stupidest people on earth.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
31. Just want to add that Jill was in everyone's business and that benefits Allen
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 12:49 AM
Nov 2012

who is out in the middle of nowhere, partially that he's homesick, partially he wants to keep an eye on things for entertainment and control purposes.

Both Generals seem to like to mess with the Wild Side. We haven't seen a photo of Allen's wife have we? She must "involved" in some way herself.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
34. Allen's wife for what it's worth looks almost identical to Holly Petreus.
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:30 PM
Nov 2012

Kelley strikes me as someone who is a hub of gossip. I once had a dear friend who was the male counterpart of Kelley. He was extremely sexual and people told him all sorts of extemely personal and confidential information. Being involved in interior design he had some mega-rich clients and for some reason he engendered incredible trust. I think people recognize people who are extremely good at "gosssip" so they jump on board, knowing that if they drop a few juicy details about themselves they'll be privvy to a lot of information so I think you are right on the mark about Allen wanting to keep an eye on things.

aletier_v

(1,773 posts)
32. they've had twenty-plus years to hone their man-trapping skills :0
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 12:51 AM
Nov 2012
http://www.tampabay.com/news/military/macdill/jill-kelley-outraged-other-military-liaisons-with-her-flirty-ways/1261619

"Mark Rosenthal said he wasn't surprised to read news reports that a local FBI agent had become obsessed with the case.

"They're both pretty women, they're both really revealing, and they know how to talk to men," he said. "They can bring a man off-guard."


This story was interesting and convoluted
but now it's starting to get sad. The twins
have been play-acting for years and now the curtain draws to a close.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
35. They had a good run
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:59 PM
Nov 2012

lots of chances to bat the ball

Next victim! Probably an unsuspecting dentist or plastic surgeon.

Hmm this reminds me of that plastic surgery tv show that was out of Miami. Forget the name.

Raine

(30,540 posts)
15. THAT is what I would like to know, it's infuriating that these people have that kind of access. nt
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:56 PM
Nov 2012

aletier_v

(1,773 posts)
16. It takes one to know one :)
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:56 PM
Nov 2012

It's kind of a cool take, though.

So she didn't flip out from insane jealously,
not if she was contacting other officers.

Now I want to know why her driver's license showed up in a park.

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
18. US Centcom
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:01 PM
Nov 2012

is now your average local middle school. If I had a child serving in the army forces over in the middle eastern theater right now I would be both furious and worried. Good god, everyone should lose their job because of their judgment alone. Anything else is gravy.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
33. This actually makes a marginal amount of sense.
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 01:45 AM
Nov 2012

Perhaps she knew something about these extremely oddly connected Evil Twins. There is some very fkin' weird stuff going on here.

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