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Simeon Salus

(1,161 posts)
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 03:57 PM Jul 2023

Why I walked out at UPS and why UPSers will too.

Hello everyone.

I've been reading Democratic Underground for many years and largely use it for sourcing. A lot of your good eyes make my daily reading smarter, more well-informed and more capable against disinformation.

I don't usually share so much, but with the ongoing entertainment strikes, I'd like to say something about my recent experiences in the workforce.

In 2020 Covid put all my plans into satchel. Contracts which were signed and deals which were made were unsigned and unmade because of the national crisis. I was fortunate and my extended family stayed safe. Both my day job and my side business were totally halted (and are still badly affected) by the effects of the pandemic. I was one of those people who got the extra $600 a week from unemployment, and while it took a while to process the benefit, I was lucky. I was able to pay my rent and bills. I found a seasonal job which I liked when the benefits went away.

In Spring of 2021 I started working at a UPS facility at an airport close by.

UPS has a very good healthcare plan and even part-timers are eligible at nine months.

The Airhub is a huge unheated uncooled space; many planes are cleared and loaded, serviced and readied, every single day. Scores of cliche brown trucks are prepped, carefully loaded and sent out with drivers every day. Many dozens of cargo trailers, hundreds of aircraft cargo containers emptied, checked, carefully loaded, sealed, documented, flown out every day. Hundreds of thousands of packages every day, triple that during peak season. Hundreds of part-time employees empty these trailers and ULDs, sort them for re-shipping.

These are human beings, not mere statistics. Teamsters.

Mary has been working at this plant since it opened more than 30 years ago. She's retiring soon as the oldest part-timer in the building. Her supervisor, her floor supe, her full-time supe, the division manager, they all met Mary when they very first came on board UPS.

Jim helps with small sort debagging: unzipping, lifting and dumping many hundreds of reusable mesh bags onto a belt where they can be brought to intake stations. Jim's been with the company part-time for 12 years and has small side business as a caterer.

Gene also works in small sort and has been part-time on the bag aisle for over 20 years. Gene is recovering from a recent successful cancer treatment. His hair is coming back and he's starting to feel really good again. Gene is on the safety committee so he gets an extra few hours a week.

Shakira worked part-time repairing damaged and missing packages before reship. After four years she got a driver's position, wearing the brown suit; driving for three years now. Full-time route drivers are the face of UPS and deserve every credit and benefit; these are dedicated people who have learned their service areas and customers well.

Kay does preload, ordering incoming packages into route trucks so the driver can grab packages to deliver in the proper order. Kay has been with UPS part-time for 8 years and she's very good at her job. A lost or mis-sorted package can cost a driver valuable minutes, often in a hot sealed metal brown box truck.

Penny unloads onto a conveyer belt which can move its business end all the way into the very back of the trailer. It's largely an arm-rake, trying to get most of the traffic onto the moving conveyor. Very hard on her back and shoulders, plus she spends a good part of her shift standing on a yellow step unit, where mis-stepping could cause a fall. Penny started during Covid, getting an hourly bonus at first, then a "retention bonus", then gradually back to the base rate. She's making less an hour now than when she started two years ago. She's always been a cheerful co-worker, but today she looks pissed.

Kodi works on the airhub's ramp. He's part of the crew which uses giant portable elevators to remove and replace massive Unit Load Devices in the jets. You don't get to work on the ramp-side of the facility (airplane-facing) unless you've been working for a long while and know how to do your job without anyone else getting killed (a constant concern with jet aircraft).

These are hard jobs, tough on your hands, your backs, your joints, your ears. Loud repetitive noises rattle like ship's chains but constantly. Supervisors yelling over the loud noises to be heard. Supervisors are often younger, less experienced and less well-trained than the crew, like low-level managers in all job fields these days.

A vast majority of these people (including supervisors) work part-time. Some get two part-time shifts, if they've been in the union long enough. Most are limited to 12-15 hours per week (three hours per day), except just before and during peak. Supes might get an extra hour or so a day.

These days most UPS plant employees are limited by rule to a maximum three-hour shift. Often supervisors will attempt to get employees leave before the (union-minimum) three hour shift. Even if your hourly rate is quite good, you only get enough hours to tread water (except during peak in December). A UPSer is expected to devote five days to work, even if only 15 or so hours total.

UPS brings in dozens of new hires into training class every week. 80% of them leave before a month has gone by.

So just short of two years, I quit UPS.

The problem with UPS is not merely reasonable conditions for the drivers (though that's important). The problem is that UPS doesn't care its employees live in poverty, and require government benefits or other jobs. Three consecutive years of record profits at UPS, none of it going to the rank and file, none of it going to supervisors. Just stockholders and executives.

What I saw at UPS is repeated across the sector: everybody is offering laughable pay at entry level. Just like Walmart employees, UPSers are likely to find themselves asking for rental support, social services or food stamps. Lots of folks advertise they're hiring but the jobs themselves are often part-time or low wage.

I thought somebody should say something. Union members are not asking for anything unreasonable here.

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Why I walked out at UPS and why UPSers will too. (Original Post) Simeon Salus Jul 2023 OP
Thank you for your excellent analysis of UPS, my dear Simeon Salus. CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2023 #1
Good! Elessar Zappa Jul 2023 #2
If workers were treated fairly and with respect, unions might not be necessary in the first place. calimary Jul 2023 #3
THIS! THIS! THIS! OMGWTF Jul 2023 #6
This has never been the case. Jakes Progress Jul 2023 #22
They only start to act that way when faced with a union vote SouthernDem4ever Jul 2023 #27
Absolutely Bear Creek Jul 2023 #48
Could we pass a law that employers must reimburse the government here? raging moderate Jul 2023 #4
Excellent idea Hekate Jul 2023 #7
Isn't there a law stating such already on the books, or is it state-by-state only? Hestia Jul 2023 #13
Wouldn't the people still be eligible for aid whether they worked there or not? MichMan Jul 2023 #50
Are you sharing personal info of real people? leftstreet Jul 2023 #5
Calling this weird is weird. NBachers Jul 2023 #14
Well it is weird leftstreet Jul 2023 #20
I have changed names and swapped some circumstances in order not to identify fellow union members. Simeon Salus Jul 2023 #24
So the Shakira wasn't the singer? leftstreet Jul 2023 #26
The only time it will be an exciting time ( I assume you meant exciting) for labor SouthernDem4ever Jul 2023 #28
First, changed names, like I said. Simeon Salus Jul 2023 #33
Excellent description of working conditions and why we need unions Wild blueberry Jul 2023 #8
The lady who is our regular delivery person at my work is fantastic. tanyev Jul 2023 #9
Thanks for this post - great first hand insights. I totally support unions. n/t iluvtennis Jul 2023 #10
I'm happy that the Teamsters are already established at UPS FakeNoose Jul 2023 #11
Thanks to the GQP Congresses that allowed them to get away with the take-aways Hestia Jul 2023 #15
Minimum wage in 1990 was $3.80 per hour MichMan Jul 2023 #19
This all began with MOMFUDSKI Jul 2023 #12
Businesses skirt paying and working employees with Full Time pay and Benefits should be flying_wahini Jul 2023 #16
It's called *Algorythms* setting pay and schedule - managers hide behind the old Hestia Jul 2023 #23
Thank you for posting this. Duppers Jul 2023 #17
I'm with you. Joinfortmill Jul 2023 #18
I love our UPS driver hueymahl Jul 2023 #21
They also need to terminate this man, if he is still there. The Grand Illuminist Jul 2023 #25
I think he's still there maspaha Jul 2023 #34
Dear Simeon - This is due to the primacy of the shareholder doctrine - a legal PatrickforB Jul 2023 #29
Carol Tome is the CEO of UPS IcyPeas Jul 2023 #30
Beautifully said & explained Simeon DENVERPOPS Jul 2023 #31
I am also a former UPSer... maspaha Jul 2023 #32
Every person I have met in the last 25 years that worked at UPS said their SouthernDem4ever Jul 2023 #35
If a large company like UPS is hurting and in danger of going under DFW Jul 2023 #36
Insert Katie Porter and Jamie Dimon here... DJ Porkchop Jul 2023 #49
Delivery Drivers NowISeetheLight Jul 2023 #37
A good read about UPS from back in January Deminpenn Jul 2023 #38
My son was a part-time specialist at UPS for years ... rustysgurl Jul 2023 #39
I'm surprised UPS still has any workers given the working conditions and low pay described here MichMan Jul 2023 #40
And if they weren't union... 2naSalit Jul 2023 #41
I too worked at UPS Johnny2X2X Jul 2023 #42
K and R...Thanks for posting.. Stuart G Jul 2023 #43
Thanks was talking to my grandson (27) about this Tree Lady Jul 2023 #44
second to last entry here llashram Jul 2023 #45
It's the same thing for retail. Companies have gotten into the habit of running their businesses cstanleytech Jul 2023 #46
What can the Public do... zentrum Jul 2023 #47

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,841 posts)
1. Thank you for your excellent analysis of UPS, my dear Simeon Salus.
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 04:13 PM
Jul 2023

I didn't know conditions were this bad, but I'm not surprised at all.

Management is not only clueless but deliberately so. Gotta keep the stockholders and management happy!

I hope the union will prevail over the company.

calimary

(81,612 posts)
3. If workers were treated fairly and with respect, unions might not be necessary in the first place.
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 04:37 PM
Jul 2023

Signed,

Longtime SAG/AFTRA member.

Jakes Progress

(11,124 posts)
22. This has never been the case.
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 05:52 PM
Jul 2023

This will never be the case.

You cannot give over your life to people whose interests are only served by your misery.

Rather. If union workers practiced solidarity and union brotherhood workers will be treated fairly and with respect. We tried a few decades of union decline. Nothing good came from it. Join a union. Form a union. Practice solidarity. It's the only thing that has a chance to make things work.

SouthernDem4ever

(6,617 posts)
27. They only start to act that way when faced with a union vote
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 06:39 PM
Jul 2023

Then after they successfully quash the vote they go back to the same ole routine.

raging moderate

(4,319 posts)
4. Could we pass a law that employers must reimburse the government here?
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 04:40 PM
Jul 2023

Maybe if Walmart and UPS owners had to reimburse the government when their employeers qualify for aid?

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
13. Isn't there a law stating such already on the books, or is it state-by-state only?
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 05:38 PM
Jul 2023

I swear I remember something like this from the late 1990s to early 2000s - back before Dem's lost the House in 2010 elections.

MichMan

(12,002 posts)
50. Wouldn't the people still be eligible for aid whether they worked there or not?
Wed Jul 19, 2023, 05:07 PM
Jul 2023

Unemployed people are still eligible for SNAP etc.

leftstreet

(36,119 posts)
20. Well it is weird
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 05:50 PM
Jul 2023

Walking away from his/her union brothers and sisters during intense negotiations involving over 350k workers, and on the eve of a potentially huge strike no less (!) with ramifications beyond anything from the 90s negotiations

Well, hopefully all the workers mentioned in the post won't see it.
Could be seen as...de motivational

Simeon Salus

(1,161 posts)
24. I have changed names and swapped some circumstances in order not to identify fellow union members.
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 06:21 PM
Jul 2023

Not every act is a political one.

I quit because I was forced to be in pain every day, even though my doctor already had identified a repetitive stress injury, because I was not allowed to take some other responsibility.

It is a simple matter to critique from the bench.

It is another matter to be forced to injure yourself nightly knowing no relief was in sight.

Let's not even talk about how difficult it is to process a workman's comp claim these days.

UPS has no outward facing HR. They hire virtually everyone who applies with no interview. Once you're hired, it's just your team supervisor.

leftstreet

(36,119 posts)
26. So the Shakira wasn't the singer?
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 06:34 PM
Jul 2023

Rats. Love her stuff

Sorry for your troubles, mate. But I think maybe your insinuation that people are/will be quitting UPS is your own bench critiquing.


It's an exiting time for labor, and for UPS workers in particular

SouthernDem4ever

(6,617 posts)
28. The only time it will be an exciting time ( I assume you meant exciting) for labor
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 06:42 PM
Jul 2023

is when the general public quits voting for these fascists anti-labor assholes in state and federal government positions.

Simeon Salus

(1,161 posts)
33. First, changed names, like I said.
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 07:29 PM
Jul 2023

Second, nobody (else) at UPS is quitting; they're striking. Shutting down almost half of the shipping industry. I'm encouraging such action for the reasons made clear in my OP. Nobody's happy about it.

Third, thanks for your unwavering support of organized labor.

Fourth, my injury is much improved now that I'm not required to aggravate it each day. Thanks for asking.

The UPS situation shows that even the largest and best of unions can be manipulated. Even the supervisors I know and worked with are unhappy about the situation. Unlike the union members, many of whom are still my friends, supes are stuck with the strike and will be unable to keep the operation afloat without employees.

tanyev

(42,691 posts)
9. The lady who is our regular delivery person at my work is fantastic.
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 05:04 PM
Jul 2023

And she’s not a large person. I don’t know how she moves those heavy boxes all day long, in Texas summer conditions and stays so cheerful. I hope they get some good concessions.

FakeNoose

(32,917 posts)
11. I'm happy that the Teamsters are already established at UPS
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 05:25 PM
Jul 2023

If the Teamsters - or any union - were trying to get a foot in the door now, they'd never be allowed in. There are just too many shady corporate practices for keeping the unions out now and forever in the future.

I can remember back to the days when working as a UPS driver was a nice gig. You got paid a full 40 hours plus seasonal overtime, great benefits etc. Back when the minimum wage was about 3.50/hour the UPS drivers were making $60K per year or more. I think that was around the mid-90s, before Fedex Ground went into direct competition against UPS.

What's happened at UPS isn't the fault of the employees or the union, but they've certainly had to give up way too much ground in the last 30 years. I believe this strike is justified and I hope the employees will be rewarded.

Solidarity!

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
15. Thanks to the GQP Congresses that allowed them to get away with the take-aways
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 05:42 PM
Jul 2023

and the Blue Dawgs who enabled them

MichMan

(12,002 posts)
19. Minimum wage in 1990 was $3.80 per hour
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 05:48 PM
Jul 2023

Last edited Tue Jul 18, 2023, 06:40 PM - Edit history (1)

That $60k UPS wage you referenced back then would be equivalent to $140K a year in 2023. Hope they get that much, but I doubt it.

MOMFUDSKI

(5,825 posts)
12. This all began with
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 05:37 PM
Jul 2023

ray-gun breaking the unions. Just that simple. My ex was a teamster in the seventies. Made $15/hr. With time and inflation what should the wage be now? Yet look at what people are being paid today. We lost the fight. I am seeing labor having SOME power at the moment. It will be a hard slog. Can’t ever quit. The whole thing makes me sad

flying_wahini

(6,720 posts)
16. Businesses skirt paying and working employees with Full Time pay and Benefits should be
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 05:44 PM
Jul 2023

Called out. It’s a scam.

Lowe’s has been doing this for years. My son was tempted w/Full time work for 3 years before he quit. He had a 38 hr work week and NO benefits. After they kept working him “overtime”
on his 38 hrs a week schedule they offered him a promotion but still part time.

It’s a scam on Taxpayers. Dept of Labor should have stopped it years ago.

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
23. It's called *Algorythms* setting pay and schedule - managers hide behind the old
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 05:55 PM
Jul 2023

"I have to follow the schedule set before me or "I don't have the authorization to get into the system"

maspaha

(227 posts)
34. I think he's still there
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 07:33 PM
Jul 2023

Even though I left UPS 28 years ago, apparently I got out in just in time for the crazies to take over! He sounds like so many other people I used to work with.

PatrickforB

(14,608 posts)
29. Dear Simeon - This is due to the primacy of the shareholder doctrine - a legal
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 06:54 PM
Jul 2023

doctrine that was established by the Michigan Supreme Court in a 1919 ruling against Henry Ford and in favor of the Dodge brothers.

Since Ford's new assembly line allowed the factory to put out a much greater number of cars, Ford reasoned that since they were producing more, he needed to expand his market more so a greater number of people could purchase the cars.

So, he raised the wages of the factory workers to the point where they could afford to purchase the cars they built.

The Dodge brothers owned shares in Ford Motor Company and sued Henry Ford on the basis that the 'unreasonably high wages' for his factory workers deprived them of PROFITS to which they were ENTITLED as shareholders. And they won. Seriously.

Thus was born the legal doctrine of 'shareholder primacy' - the shorthand is profits-over-people, and that is quite true.

So the CEO of UPS, Carol Tome, 'earned' (if you can call it that) a base salary of $1,336,251 per year, starting in 2021 with total compensation of $27,620,893. Her job as CEO of a publicly held company is ONLY, and I stress ONLY to increase shareholder profits.

This is why most CEOs are sociopaths, because this system rewards sociopathic behavior. Consider:

If you are Carol, the first thing you are going to do is work to cut labor costs. This means you will try to bust the union if at all possible in as many facilities as possible, will cut hours so you don't have to provide that many benefits, and you'll cut corners on working conditions (like not heating or cooling this facility where you and your friends must toil). And you'll contract with companies and lowball the contract prices, which forces them to cut wages and benefits for their drivers, as well.

And, as you say, you don't care if your workers have to get foodstamps or welfare. Not your problem. In fact, according to a study a few years ago, a Walmart store can cost a community upwards of $900K per year in public benefits paid to employees who could not otherwise live on the wage. Walmart lied, of course, and disputed this.

Of course, this also has ramifications for consumers of the service or product the company produces as well as the environment. I won't go into that in depth except to say that the GOP particularly is keen to pass on any costs of corporate malfeasance to taxpayers while allowing the corporation to pocket all profits.

This is why I hate our brand of capitalism. It is literally destroying the earth. If you look at BLS and Census data, you can see wages have remained stagnant for many years, while productivity has risen and corporate profits are stratospheric.

The bottom line is that this system, coupled with the 'trickle down' tax cuts and the bloated Military Industrial complex, sucks (it does SUCK) but as I say, it sucks up wealth and systematically transfers it to fewer and fewer people. This is why we can't 'afford' Medicare for all Americans, which 68% of us favor, and Social Security is not as solvent as it might be. It is also why Congress does NOTHING about gun control even though an overwhelming majority of us want gun controls because, silly us, we don't want our grandkids to be gunned down in a school shooting. It is also why our carbon emissions are rapidly making the planet uninhabitable.

It's all ALWAYS about policy. Congress should be ready to actively mitigate these corporate excesses, but rulings like Citizens United have allowed corporate corruption to nearly bury our republic under Wall Street greed.

OK, rant over...........good luck and best wishes to you!

As

IcyPeas

(21,957 posts)
30. Carol Tome is the CEO of UPS
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 07:01 PM
Jul 2023

her total compensation is around $18 Million. also she gets 30 vacation days off plus 5 personal days per year.

Raise your hand if you get 35 days off a year.....

CEOs are the problem. Same with the current SAG-AFTRA and WGA strike. they only work for the shareholders. they don't give a damn.

I looked at her political donations out of curiosity. Mostly republican with a few democrats.

https://www.opensecrets.org/donor-lookup/results?name=carol+tome&order=desc&page=1&sort=D






DENVERPOPS

(8,900 posts)
31. Beautifully said & explained Simeon
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 07:23 PM
Jul 2023

When Reagan, (actually HW & Cronie CABAL) crashed the ATC Union, it was the shot heard round America telling every corporation that war had begun on Unions. Within days, the many unions started toppling like dominoes or a house of cards. WITHIN DAYS.
HW was going to emasculate the NLRB, so there was nowhere for the Unions to turn for fairness and justice.

The week of the ATC firings, I was about to start a Union Electrical Apprenticeship. My journeyman friends were making 22 an hour and 26% fringe. The next week, the union was wiped out by all the large electrical contractors, and the new Journeyman rate was 12 an hour, and ZERO fringe. The same was true of all the trades, not just electricians.......

OBVIOUSLY, I didn't go back to the Electrical Trades looking for a career.........

Everyone says: The unions are assholes. I say: tell me which came first, asshole corporations and asshole politicians, or asshole workers getting screwed........

It was a major dump on the entire middle class in one fell swoop. At 22+26%fringe, a guy could support his family comfortably, buy a house, own a car, and with a little overtime send two kids to college. And his wife, was not working but was a stay at home wife.......Watching this happen, up close, was un-fathomable to me why the president would do such a thing, but everyday for the past 45+ years, we have watched it being done, time and time again by every Republican President.

If the Unions were present today, in the numbers they were then, their votes would have wiped out the entire republican house and senate in short order. I guess that is just an extra bonus, besides cutting wages nearly in half......

A girlfriend of mine in 1980 was making 22 an hour as a journeyman checker at Safeway. A few days ago, I asked a checker at Safeway how much a Journeyman checker makes today at Safeway. She said she thought it was about 16 an hour........
FORTY FIVE YEARS LATER, AND THEY STILL AREN'T BACK UP TO WHAT THEY WERE MAKING 45+ YEARS AGO....

WASF

maspaha

(227 posts)
32. I am also a former UPSer...
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 07:24 PM
Jul 2023

But, I wasn’t a Teamster. I was a Supervisor and I worked almost exclusively in air operations and pilot training. I left the company almost 30 years ago.

While I worked there, my managers were adamant about making sure I understood that my “real job” was to support the driver who picks up the package and the driver who delivers it in the hands of its recipient, as well as each person who touches the package along the way. So, during my first two years at UPS I did special assignments in the air hub, the ramp, and rode as a driver assistant. The UPS philosophy when I was hired was that UPS promotes from within the company unless there is a specific skill needed that can’t currently be filled within the company. One other thing that is important to note is that even 30 years ago, all UPS applications state at the very top that you are applying for “PART-TIME SEASONAL EMPLOYMENT”, I was so concerned about the application that I almost didn’t take the job! I needed a year round, full-time job!

So, what am I trying to say? First, the company culture has changed. The current CEO was not promoted from within UPS. She’s from Home Depot. Neither is the CHRO he’s from DuPont, Xerox, Honeywell. Most of the top company leadership no longer comes from UPS. I think they’ll be at UPS just long enough to line their pockets and when the coffers are dry, they’ll move along. Sad, but true.

On the other hand though, the timing of an air sort is about 3 hours, sometimes longer if there’s weather or volume, sometimes maybe maintenance issues? So part time work is just a fact. It should not be meant to support a family on. Unlike other jobs, the hours are set and predictable.

About the Teamsters, I’d be foolish to think my salary and benefit package would be what it was without the Teamsters. Every working person should support a union. Workers owe our current standard of living to the labor unions.

About the strike, my Granddaddy taught me to NEVER cross a picket line. And I would never let my Granddaddy down. I left UPS before the 1996 strike.

I’m just really sad about the cultural shift at UPS. It used to be a secure job with great pay.

PS…I left my job at UPS for the hardest, yet most important and under appreciated job in the world…
Mommy

SouthernDem4ever

(6,617 posts)
35. Every person I have met in the last 25 years that worked at UPS said their
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 08:18 PM
Jul 2023

working conditions were abysmal. This was before they really started to push the drivers, so anyone in the loading areas would rather be driving a truck, but I don't know if that still holds true as it seemed to be spiraling downward fast and the fact that they piece-meal workers so they can't make a decent living is just deplorable.

DFW

(54,527 posts)
36. If a large company like UPS is hurting and in danger of going under
Wed Jul 19, 2023, 01:30 AM
Jul 2023

Then I could understand emergency cost-cutting measures that are instituted for as long as the firm needs to get back on solid financial footing.

HOWEVER--if the firm is already on solid financial footing and making lots of money, and STILL treating its employees as if it were in a dire cash crunch, that is scandalous. Legal, maybe, but scandalous all the same, and deserving of a LOT of bad press, and maybe even a Congressional hearing or two. I'd like to see one of their CEOs, along with a few of the mid-level managers, who have never gotten their hands dirty in their lives, answer the question in front of nationally broadcasting cameras, "what did so many thousands of employees do to you that you dare to treat them all so miserably? Could you live on what they make? No? Then how do you expect THEM to live on what they make?"

NowISeetheLight

(3,943 posts)
37. Delivery Drivers
Wed Jul 19, 2023, 05:31 AM
Jul 2023

On days I have deliveries coming, I leave a TV tray with a cooler with cold drinks & snacks on my front porch with a thank you sign. I think these guys work so hard in the 115-degree heat. My ring cam will go off, and sometimes I'll open the door to thank them. They are always appreciative. I remember driving gas tanker in Phoenix in the early 2000s. It sucked, especially in the summer, and I actually had AC in the cab at least.

rustysgurl

(1,040 posts)
39. My son was a part-time specialist at UPS for years ...
Wed Jul 19, 2023, 06:03 AM
Jul 2023

Working mainly in maintenance supervising union mechanics, he was considered management so he couldn't get union benefits. They eventually "promoted" him to full time, but since he wasn't a "supervisor" he didn't qualify for bonuses. He kept the high speed sort equipment running, writing manuals after new equipment installations and training mechanics. He was considered "unpromotable" as a full time supervisor because he didn't have a degree even though he performed the job duties and actually trained his bosses (usually newly graduated engineers still wet behind the ears). The noise, heat and cold in the hub were awful and his doctors say his Meniere's Disease is due in no small part to working there. Peak season was constant and unrelenting and employee turnover was exactly as the OP describes. Drivers delivered 2, 3 and 4 trucks full of packages per day, with full trucks being driven out to wherever drivers were in the city rather than them driving back to the hub. It was go, go, go constantly and all hell broke loose if a line went down. After being asked to take on even more responsibiity with no promotion or raise in pay he left and is now doing less work for double the salary.

UPS churns through employees, squeezing whatever they can out of them like sponges, then throwing them aside. People are commodities to them ... nothing more.

2naSalit

(87,009 posts)
41. And if they weren't union...
Wed Jul 19, 2023, 08:20 AM
Jul 2023

It would be far worse, they wouldn't even listen to or negotiate with the workers. These days having a union only gets you a chance to have your say when shit gets ugly. Appropriate conditions in an industry require equality for workers and less of a fiefdom atmosphere in the minds of the executives.

Johnny2X2X

(19,312 posts)
42. I too worked at UPS
Wed Jul 19, 2023, 09:00 AM
Jul 2023

In the 1990s when I was starting college, I worked nights at UPS. Loading trucks, not the brown ones that go through neighborhoods, but semi trucks that hauled packages to other sorting hubs. You'd have to memorize the zip codes of your truck and then stand in the back of it while the conveyor had an arm that knocked packages off from it into the shoot that ended at the back of your semi trailor. You'd have to grab each box by their opposite corners and spin it until the label was facing you so you could read the address and make sure the zip matched your truck. That arm would make a loud noise when it swept a package off the conveyor into you shoot, and when it got busy it was non stop that noise and you were going 100% effort for sometimes hours.

In the Summer, the trailors you were loading had been sitting in the sun all day and when you opened them the heat coming out would be unreal. It would be 3 hours of the most intense physical labor imagineable, I'd bring a gallon of ice water with me to work and go through the entire gallon every night. It was actually fun because we had a good team of guys that would all help each other, there was a comroderie in the hard work that built bonds. It got you in such incredible shape. But it was also hard on the body, especially hopping in and out of the trailors to move to other doors throughout the shift. And of course the Christmas rush was longer hours. But there was the promise of fulltime work if you could hack it and put in your time. After a couple years, guys would move to part time driver regularly. I know some of the guys I worked with made their whole careers after loading and stayed at UPS.

The work was so physically hard that only young and fit men could do it. We did have a few women who tried to do the work, and only one lasted longer than a couple weeks, that girl was amazing and could keep up with most any other loader. The problem was, this position was the weeder for drivers. You had to go through this gauntlet to earn the right to drive part time during the busy season, then from there you had to keep reapplying for a fulltime job to get a permanent UPS brown short wearing delivery driver position. It made it so it was competitive, those years you spent in the back of trucks were years you couldn't call in sick, couldn't mess up, and couldn't give less than 100%, because the reward at the end ws a good job with good benefits. I was in college, so I left the job when college progressed.

Looking back, working conditions were inhumane, and I'd imagine a lot was automated and slowed down by now, but I'd bet UPS was still using this type of work as a weeder for the full time people they wanted. I was in the union too, I'm happy to support a strike for UPS now, people deserve better. Heck, when I was young and dumb back then, I deserved better too.

Tree Lady

(11,544 posts)
44. Thanks was talking to my grandson (27) about this
Wed Jul 19, 2023, 10:40 AM
Jul 2023

yesterday. His father my daughters ex is a long hauler with UPS going from CA to New Jersey every week working 6 day weeks. He works with a partner and they take turns driving. Only has one day off per week. He plans to be on the picket line.

I think its awful they don't have air, in my town its high 90's or low 100's a lot in the summer. See the guys with shorts all the time.

cstanleytech

(26,367 posts)
46. It's the same thing for retail. Companies have gotten into the habit of running their businesses
Wed Jul 19, 2023, 10:57 AM
Jul 2023

with part-time workers to save on their payroll.
Now though the companies are whining about a lack of workers but the truth is those part-time workers still are working but they are doing home delivery now for companies like Amazon.

zentrum

(9,866 posts)
47. What can the Public do...
Wed Jul 19, 2023, 11:53 AM
Jul 2023

...to best support the strikers? Should we stop ordering stuff? Or order as much as ever and let the Company feel the heat to deliver? Or what?

I hate to think that by buying on line I am crossing a picket line.

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