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I sent this this evening to all Democratic members of the Senate Judiciary Committee, and also to majority leader Chuck Schumer. I would urge others who feel as I do to do the same. Feel free to use my version if you wish, or write your own.
[div]Dear Senator (name):
I write to you in your capacity as a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee ("JC" to ask no, to demand that the JC immediately commence an investigation into the circumstances surrounding the Supreme Court's ruling in the case, 303 Creative, LLC v. Elenis, et al., the case involving a putative web designer who didn't want to have to design websites for same-sex weddings.
As you are surely aware, within hours of the Supreme Court's issuing of a ruling, it was revealed in The New Republic ("TNR" see
https://newrepublic.com/article/173987/mysterious-case-fake-gay-marriage-website-real-straight-man-supreme-court) that among the papers filed with the court by the plaintiff's attorneys was something that was purportedly a request from a potential customer about designing a website for his upcoming wedding to a male partner. This alleged potential customer's name and contact information were included with the filings, and it was presented, presumably, to satisfy the Constitutional requirement, long upheldl by this very Court, of "case or controversy," as set forth in Article III, Section 2, Clause 1 of the Constitution of the United States. This is because the principal of 303 Creative does not now operate, nor has ever operated, a web design business, and she needed to show that she had standing to bring the case.
Article III, Section 2, Clause 1 of the Constitution states: "The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;to Controversies between two or more States;between a State and Citizens of another State,between Citizens of different States,between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects." Clearly, there was no underlying case or controversy here to be decided.
After the ruling was issued, the TNR reporter followed up by contacting the individual named as a potential customer. Although the person named did exist, and his contact information was correct, he disavowed any knowledge of having made such an inquiry of 303 Creative, adding that he would have no reason to do so, since he was already married (and to a woman). So, in fact, it appears that this case did not fulfill the case or controversy requirement of the Constitution.
Several things must happen if the Supreme Court is to retain any legitimacy whatsoever.
First, the ruling in the above-mentioned case must be set aside. If allowed to stand, it will open the door to all sorts of cases being made up out of whole cloth by parties who want the court to rule in advance on hypothetical controversies, a practice this Court, including under the current Chief Justice, as long disavowed. You and I both know, Senator, that had this case involved any topic other than one that was part of the right's culture wars, it would have been thrown out for lack of standing.
Secondly, the Judiciary Committee should look into several questions related to this whole affair, including:
(1) Did any of the justices know that the potential customer named in order to establish case or controversy had actually been made up? Or did they know, and decide to rule anyway because issuing a ruling was consistent with their political beliefs?
(2) If they did not know that it had been made up, why didn't they? Why did none of the Clerks take the time to verify that the information contained in the papers filed with the cased was accurate? (These questions should also be posed with regard to any lower courts involved in hearing the case.)
And finally, the Court must be pressured to sanction the plaintiff, as well as its principal, Lorie Smith, and the attorneys who helped to perpetrate this fraud upon the Court.
I urge you, both as a Senator and as member of the Judiciary Committee, to take immediate and decisive action in this matter.
Respectfully,
Mark P. Kessinger
Wild blueberry
(6,664 posts)Very well done.
Thank you.
AllaN01Bear
(18,461 posts)Bluethroughu
(5,202 posts)Because you know the law better than 6 of the justices, and their clerks!
NoRethugFriends
(2,338 posts)peppertree
(21,676 posts)The RW majority consider themselves medieval black monks who are above the law.
And sadly, they're mostly right.
Bev54
(10,074 posts)a web designer and would never be in need of her services, especially a person new to the industry. It is also rumoured that some of the wives of the Justice's were involved with the group behind this lawsuit.
This was a setup and they knew it.
woodsprite
(11,927 posts)Bev54
(10,074 posts)funding it.
ShazzieB
(16,541 posts)Last edited Mon Jul 3, 2023, 03:21 AM - Edit history (1)
Wait, she's not even an actual web designer? Wtaf?
I knew the website request was bogus but not that she was lying about being a web designer and business owner. This is even more outrageous. Damned right it needs to be investigated!
Hugin
(33,222 posts)Web designer willing to turn down paying work due to a flimsy principle.
The free market they are always talking about bit them in the butt.
calimary
(81,514 posts)A good bit of raw material to use for a letter of one's own!
usonian
(9,904 posts)Should be a letter to all media but they don't GAF.
I agree with the fraud claim, but since most of the Food Court are frauds, they might actually LIKE fraud.
Excellent work. Keep after them.
It's the nature of fraudsters to push harder with every scam that they get away with until the hammer falls. Always blaming someone else.
IMO
lucca18
(1,244 posts)moniss
(4,274 posts)they were precluded from verifying the info because of privacy...something... something. They are saying that nobody relied upon that info and they just included it because .....something.........something. By their own admission this supposed request to design a website came exactly one day after they filed their case initially. Nothing fishy about that. Or did somebody point out the lack of standing and then somebody decided to cook up a request? There should be web logs of any request received if it was in fact received and not just claimed to exist. I do notice that the weasel law firm never makes clear whether they pointed out to the various courts that the request was received after the case was already filed. Did the weasel law firm cook up the idea to have a "request" come in after the filing so if it were found to be phony they could defend themselves by saying it was not a basis for filing the case since the request came after the filing? Furthermore this group of weasels were likely working on this filing for quite awhile prior to filing since it is doubtful that "Lorie" got distraught in the morning and by noon a case was filed.
The Colorado DOJ needs to look at this whole mess and find out the basic circumstances for the original filing of this case. Did they go shopping for a "client"? Did they manufacture a "client" and the circumstances? How did the "client" find the weasel law firm? When did they first interact? Did the weasel law firm attempt to come up with other "clients" before "Lorie"?
We also need to know a bit more about this so called business. When was it supposedly incorporated? Did it exist prior to incorporation? Are there any examples of work performed or known customers? Who are all of the people listed on the incorporation papers? Who filed the papers? When were they filed? What is the relationship to each other for all of the people involved?
PortTack
(32,800 posts)Rights, so it probably doesnt make any difference. They would find another more suitable case if it were some how to be overturned. Having said that, this letter and any actions taken, further emphasize the irresponsibility of this illegitimate judicial body and keep it foremost in voters minds.
Tetrachloride
(7,876 posts)DarthDem
(5,257 posts)Bravissimo! Thanks so much for sharing.
intheflow
(28,504 posts)Depending where you are, of course.