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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:48 PM Nov 2012

Humans Are Slowly but Surely Losing Intellectual and Emotional Abilities

ScienceDaily (Nov. 12, 2012) — Human intelligence and behavior require optimal functioning of a large number of genes, which requires enormous evolutionary pressures to maintain. A provocative hypothesis published in a recent set of Science and Society pieces published in the Cell Press journal Trends in Genetics suggests that we are losing our intellectual and emotional capabilities because the intricate web of genes endowing us with our brain power is particularly susceptible to mutations and that these mutations are not being selected against in our modern society.

"The development of our intellectual abilities and the optimization of thousands of intelligence genes probably occurred in relatively non-verbal, dispersed groups of peoples before our ancestors emerged from Africa," says the papers' author, Dr. Gerald Crabtree, of Stanford University. In this environment, intelligence was critical for survival, and there was likely to be immense selective pressure acting on the genes required for intellectual development, leading to a peak in human intelligence.

From that point, it's likely that we began to slowly lose ground. With the development of agriculture, came urbanization, which may have weakened the power of selection to weed out mutations leading to intellectual disabilities. Based on calculations of the frequency with which deleterious mutations appear in the human genome and the assumption that 2000 to 5000 genes are required for intellectual ability, Dr. Crabtree estimates that within 3000 years (about 120 generations) we have all sustained two or more mutations harmful to our intellectual or emotional stability. Moreover, recent findings from neuroscience suggest that genes involved in brain function are uniquely susceptible to mutations. Dr. Crabtree argues that the combination of less selective pressure and the large number of easily affected genes is eroding our intellectual and emotional capabilities.

But not to worry. The loss is quite slow, and judging by society's rapid pace of discovery and advancement, future technologies are bound to reveal solutions to the problem. "I think we will know each of the millions of human mutations that can compromise our intellectual function and how each of these mutations interact with each other and other processes as well as environmental influences," says Dr. Crabtree. "At that time, we may be able to magically correct any mutation that has occurred in all cells of any organism at any developmental stage. Thus, the brutish process of natural selection will be unnecessary."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/11/121112135516.htm

Idiocracy- it's not a movie, it's a documentary.

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Humans Are Slowly but Surely Losing Intellectual and Emotional Abilities (Original Post) n2doc Nov 2012 OP
It was already posted but I love your comment. nt Live and Learn Nov 2012 #1
me no like article! bad article! no understand! blarragggh! unblock Nov 2012 #2
I started out understanding this... but by the time I was finished... I was lost intellectually? trailmonkee Nov 2012 #3
uhhh..if "the brutish process of natural selection will be unnecessary." dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #4
Treatments to repair our bodies and our minds. randome Nov 2012 #7
By that logic, Heywood J Nov 2012 #16
Perhaps this is why this piece was published: Remember, it's just a "hypothesis" which in GiaGiovanni Nov 2012 #17
There are different forms of eugenics 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #20
Idiocracy. So true! nt valerief Nov 2012 #5
Du rec. Nt xchrom Nov 2012 #6
Seems simplistic kurt_cagle Nov 2012 #8
+1. nt bemildred Nov 2012 #12
Evolution doesn't work very fast. In particular, it's still unclear whether there's been struggle4progress Nov 2012 #9
Lactose tolerance in adults has only evolved in about the last 6,000 years or so Fumesucker Nov 2012 #10
Of course, mutations occur constantly; and probably everyone alive has some novel mutation struggle4progress Nov 2012 #13
OMG LOL WTF DERP TL;DR WHEN R KARDASHIANS ON?????? :) :) :) :) :) :) :) Heywood J Nov 2012 #18
There's always been mind-numbing shizz on teh boob tube: struggle4progress Nov 2012 #19
Get the mutant GMO corporate crap (R) out of our food Berlum Nov 2012 #11
Bwahaha- I just watched Idiocracy last night! BeHereNow Nov 2012 #14
Are we not men? AngryAmish Nov 2012 #15

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
4. uhhh..if "the brutish process of natural selection will be unnecessary."
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:57 PM
Nov 2012

is that not saying there is a future in deliberate selective breeding?
Which is called eugenics.
The Reich Wing's wet dream come true.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
7. Treatments to repair our bodies and our minds.
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:46 PM
Nov 2012

May not be the same thing as selective breeding. Especially if those treatments are made widely available.

Let's face it. Natural selection is a very cumbersome process.

Heywood J

(2,515 posts)
16. By that logic,
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:30 PM
Nov 2012

it would be evil for someone to choose not to reproduce (e.g. get a vasectomy or tubes tied) or choose not to pass on a known condition to their potential children, since that's deliberate and selective. It sounds like you're saying that it would also be bad to screen for severe deformity or defects before birth, because that's also selective breeding.

 

GiaGiovanni

(1,247 posts)
17. Perhaps this is why this piece was published: Remember, it's just a "hypothesis" which in
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:39 PM
Nov 2012

evolutionary circles is just beyond reading tea leaves.

"A provocative hypothesis published in a recent set of Science and Society pieces published in the Cell Press journal Trends in Genetics suggests that we are losing our intellectual and emotional capabilities because the intricate web of genes endowing us with our brain power is particularly susceptible to mutations and that these mutations are not being selected against in our modern society. "

But little fictions like these allow for shifts in moral thinking. Eugenics does indeed thrive on the idea that most humans are degenerating and only some need survive for the human race to "evolve."

This is an opinion piece with an agenda, not science.

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
20. There are different forms of eugenics
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:51 AM
Nov 2012

forcibly sterilizing or killing undesirables is eugenics.

Providing free birth control to the less fortunate and benefits for reproducing others is also eugenics.

The first is clearly wrong.

The second? I guess that depends.

kurt_cagle

(534 posts)
8. Seems simplistic
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:48 PM
Nov 2012

I'm not sure I fully concur here - I am more inclined to believe that a lot of what had been "firmware" before - essentially encoded directly into brain structures specifically and thus relatively slow to change - is now "software", where the brain is more flexible, like a general purpose computer. GP computers are not necessarily as optimized for certain tasks as specialized computers are, but they can do a far broader range of activities.

I also get worried when any article on biology talks about "magically correct any mutation" - future genomics has the very real possibility to completely screw up the human brain in the name of trying to improve it.

struggle4progress

(118,345 posts)
9. Evolution doesn't work very fast. In particular, it's still unclear whether there's been
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:25 AM
Nov 2012

enough time since the beginning of recorded history (about 5K years ago) for any substantial evolutionary effects at all. And almost all our cultural development has occurred since the end of the ice age, about 10K years ago. So it seems premature to be worrying about this much.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
10. Lactose tolerance in adults has only evolved in about the last 6,000 years or so
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:38 AM
Nov 2012
http://darwinstudents.blogspot.com/2009/02/evolution-of-lactose-tolerance.html

This used to be true of the human race in general, but in dairy consuming areas, a mutation in the gene regulating the ‘switching off’ of lactase production, situated on chromosome 2, has now become very common. Such a mutation is known to have arisen among an early cattle-raising people, the Funnel Beaker culture, who lived in north-central Europe around 5,000 to 6,000 years ago. This lactase-persistence allele is found in more than 90 per cent of Danes and Swedes, and 50 per cent of Spanish and French – illustrating that the mutation becomes progressively less common in Europeans who live at increasing distances from the ancient Funnel Beaker region.

struggle4progress

(118,345 posts)
13. Of course, mutations occur constantly; and probably everyone alive has some novel mutation
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:00 AM
Nov 2012

and I don't doubt that in the last 10K years some subgroups have passed along some general mutations

It seems very likely to me, for example, that various resistances to certain infections have been selected: the population surviving the plague years in Europe (say) probably passed along some genetic tools

But to have general impact on humanity, selected mutations must become widespread and very common: I can't see a timeframe as short as a few thousand years for the suggested decline in human intelligence and social-emotional skills to become ubiquitous -- if it occurs at all

Heywood J

(2,515 posts)
18. OMG LOL WTF DERP TL;DR WHEN R KARDASHIANS ON?????? :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:39 PM
Nov 2012
I can't see a timeframe as short as a few thousand years for the suggested decline in human intelligence and social-emotional skills to become ubiquitous -- if it occurs at all


I can't see a timeframe as long as a few decades for a suggested decline in human intelligence and social-emotional skills to become ubiquitous...

struggle4progress

(118,345 posts)
19. There's always been mind-numbing shizz on teh boob tube:
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:39 AM
Nov 2012

teh overlords put that stuff on teh tube in order to make us stupid enuf to wanna go buy the craptastic plastic junk they wanna sell us



Berlum

(7,044 posts)
11. Get the mutant GMO corporate crap (R) out of our food
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:40 AM
Nov 2012

For crying out loud.

Mutant freaking corporate facsimile food-like product.

How stupid and dangerous is that?

BeHereNow

(17,162 posts)
14. Bwahaha- I just watched Idiocracy last night!
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:04 AM
Nov 2012

And you are correct- not a "movie;" but rather a documentary.
Brauwndo! It has electrolytes!

BHN

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