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cali

(114,904 posts)
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:31 PM Nov 2012

I can't stop marveling at rMoney's monumental arrogance

Sure he existed in a bubble, but still his absolute conviction that he'd be President as evidenced by his transition web site, plans for fireworks, no concession speech and plans for re-election, is mind boggling.

I can only imagine that his enormous arrogance and ego stem from never having had any real setbacks in his 65 years. Forget the bullshit about Ann's health; she was never in a life threatening place. Forget his loss to Teddy- he did that as a trial run. Forget his 2004 run; he knew it wasn't his turn. The man had never been rejected in his life.

He couldn't even contemplate that he'd lose.

I'd bet almost anything that he isn't handling this gigantic hit to his ego well. He's been thoroughly humiliated. The place in history that he so desperately strove for is gone forever. He's nothing but a footnote and one about how to run a terrible campaign. I think he's also damaged the concept that a CEO makes a good candidate.

He got away with a lot in his campaign: The refusal to disclose tax returns, the massive flip flopping, the endless lies- the MSM let so much of it slide, but in the end he got a giant cosmic slap across his bland, smug face.

It really is something to savor.

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I can't stop marveling at rMoney's monumental arrogance (Original Post) cali Nov 2012 OP
I wonder if he set a precedent on the tax returns? Will the next Republican candidate start out brewens Nov 2012 #1
Maybe. I think we should set about requiring a minimum of say, 12 years, tax returns be revealed in silvershadow Nov 2012 #56
Yes, he did so set, but for BOTH Parties. Another disgusting Romney legacy. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #61
I am not so sure Ya Basta Nov 2012 #110
No, because the arrogant pos LOST. So, I think future candidates Cha Nov 2012 #121
the icing on the cake is he is the poster child for the 1% Skittles Nov 2012 #2
What were they thinking? Is 2012 the year of the 1%? Coyotl Nov 2012 #137
I don't know why anyone thought Mitt would win. mwb970 Nov 2012 #145
Mitt Romney is a huckster. American voters have ways of shutting that thing down. libdem4life Nov 2012 #3
I so agree. Jane Austin Nov 2012 #24
Bull's eye. Win! nt hifiguy Nov 2012 #35
+1 nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #95
And with all the money and rich friends LukeFL Nov 2012 #103
LOVE YOUR POST!!! "American voters have ways of shutting that thing down." ROFL!!!!! calimary Nov 2012 #120
An anthropologist friend of mine once said that an alpha male eridani Nov 2012 #139
!!!!!! GREAT ONE!!!!!! calimary Nov 2012 #161
^^THIS^^ Maynar Nov 2012 #174
I am amused by the arrogance and stupidity of the Republicans in general. Jennicut Nov 2012 #4
How do you just hifiguy Nov 2012 #40
You just say that they're biased gay liberals... dchill Nov 2012 #57
You say they're "effeminate" and girly. xtraxritical Nov 2012 #76
At their own Peril. Cha Nov 2012 #123
Amazing, isn't it? demmis19566ie Nov 2012 #89
Obama and his team and surrogates were very, very intelligent. ffr Nov 2012 #162
And as someone pointed out Horse with no Name Nov 2012 #5
I noticed the hair as well.... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #14
I did not notice because that is the way I always wear my hair. RebelOne Nov 2012 #187
My hair in always secured in a "top-knot" on the top of my head... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #188
wow. didn't notice that. You are so right. cali Nov 2012 #15
Prom updo - that's perfect! Mme. Defarge Nov 2012 #58
Gawd. The whole lot of them look shell-shocked. loudsue Nov 2012 #50
I noticed the updo, by the time she came out it look kind disheveled. Raine Nov 2012 #55
Yeah, I thought it was a mess too and for being so wealthy , she doesn't always wear sammytko Nov 2012 #107
That's Mitt's $3,000 suit? He needs to go and get about louis-t Nov 2012 #163
Are those puddles under them? Lochloosa Nov 2012 #66
For that matter, why is Ryan's daughter dressed like a five year old? starroute Nov 2012 #69
I don't have a problem with a 10 year old dressing like a little girl DesertRat Nov 2012 #86
The trouble is that ten year olds *aren't* little girls starroute Nov 2012 #112
The Ryan girl just needs the right accessories. JBoy Nov 2012 #115
that was the creepiest family picture ever! DesertRat Nov 2012 #135
Oh good greif! This pic tops all! MuhkRahker Nov 2012 #142
Wow!! That is very scary. Looks like something out of a horror flick. Michigan Alum Nov 2012 #144
What a strange-looking group of people. Wow. /nt mwb970 Nov 2012 #146
Howling with laughter malaise Nov 2012 #171
Jeezus, the Addams Family Maynar Nov 2012 #176
I totally agree with you. I have a 12 year old and at age 11 she would have been embarrrassed to Happyhippychick Nov 2012 #154
Now That Fam is Dressed for Cha Nov 2012 #124
I'm glad that Romney/Ryan lost, but we don't need to be attacking a 10 year old's fashion sense (nt) Nye Bevan Nov 2012 #130
I'm not -- I'm attacking her parents for dressing her that way starroute Nov 2012 #136
Both kids are gorgeous eridani Nov 2012 #140
I think she was taller than me when she was 10 Skittles Nov 2012 #184
I must say, what an attractive family! smirkymonkey Nov 2012 #148
PCIntern malaise Nov 2012 #70
Thanks! n/t Horse with no Name Nov 2012 #82
great read and points to ponder. EmeraldCityGrl Nov 2012 #102
I noticed the updo on election night DesertRat Nov 2012 #83
The dress looked better when Nancy Reagan wore it. eShirl Nov 2012 #92
Oh goodness Horse with no Name Nov 2012 #93
Meow! All dressed up in Cha Nov 2012 #125
And while we're at it, what's with the weird PDA? ncgrits Nov 2012 #119
That's my theory too.She spent 2 hours getting her hair teased into an updo and then tore the hotel Happyhippychick Nov 2012 #152
Of course she threw a fit... 2naSalit Nov 2012 #181
People respect confidence aletier_v Nov 2012 #6
People admire lots of things. For instance, humility. cali Nov 2012 #17
I didn't use the word "admire". aletier_v Nov 2012 #31
i agree with locdlib Nov 2012 #74
People have forgotten how to trust their own feelers. Voice for Peace Nov 2012 #38
It's how people have always been, to a lesser or greater degree. aletier_v Nov 2012 #46
of course there have always been exceptions but it is useful to those in power Voice for Peace Nov 2012 #48
The older you are in life when you face your first big loss, the harder it is to take. milestogo Nov 2012 #7
Mitt's been running for POTUS for years Horse with no Name Nov 2012 #8
He ran in primaries, but never won. aletier_v Nov 2012 #18
He thought his tastes of defeat were building name recognition, training and magical thyme Nov 2012 #28
I'm not sure bitter is the right word aletier_v Nov 2012 #34
Bitter to me implies denial & rationalization, anger, blame -- anything except self-reflection Voice for Peace Nov 2012 #41
I'd vote for obscurity but that's because it's what I would do aletier_v Nov 2012 #49
Obscurity, or even better, federal investigation, would be my choice as well. Voice for Peace Nov 2012 #99
there are 4 basic flavors: bitter, salt, sweet, sour magical thyme Nov 2012 #157
Perhaps umami regrets? GoneOffShore Nov 2012 #179
nope. bitter regrets. I'm sure there is deep anger and resentment. magical thyme Nov 2012 #182
+1 nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #122
And the deflation of Mitt Romney is ever so satisfying. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2012 #9
Please. don't let your cats eat those rubber scraps! They have passed them safely tblue37 Nov 2012 #25
Actually, this hasn't happened in a long time. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2012 #26
Oh, thank goodness. Glad to hear it! nt tblue37 Nov 2012 #27
Best post election analogy ever! Danascot Nov 2012 #39
I agree! BouzoukiKing Nov 2012 #53
All danger to actual cats aside, the image of Money Boo Boo as beac Nov 2012 #64
"Money Boo Boo" Maynar Nov 2012 #178
This message was self-deleted by its author The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2012 #65
Bwaaaaaaaaaah hahahahaha malaise Nov 2012 #109
WORTHY OF ITS OWN THREAD, TVO Skittles Nov 2012 #141
"sadly farting balloon"... renate Nov 2012 #143
But the bubble is everything. Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #10
Wow, I missed the plans for re-election. What is beyond arrogant called? nt Mnemosyne Nov 2012 #11
He's an arrogant entitled prick and a pathological LIAR malaise Nov 2012 #12
But it wasn't just Romney. *Everyone* on that side was sure the fix was in. tblue37 Nov 2012 #23
I think it was a closed loop of misinformation. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2012 #30
Remember how they bragged that they created reality and we lunatica Nov 2012 #62
I think social media is helping pull back the curtain on their lies and spin. Arugula Latte Nov 2012 #168
Yes they either had a plan or they miscalculated big time malaise Nov 2012 #151
They all firmly believed that all that money and voter suppression bought napi21 Nov 2012 #153
Farewell otohara Nov 2012 #13
Its pretty simple madokie Nov 2012 #16
That simple malaise Nov 2012 #21
And now he knows we know madokie Nov 2012 #59
The WORST campaign I've ever seen BuelahWitch Nov 2012 #164
Rmoney lost because he believed his own lies. baldguy Nov 2012 #19
So did the rest of his party. GoCubsGo Nov 2012 #98
Even Stevie Wonder could tell they couldn't win.. HipChick Nov 2012 #20
I *feel certain* that he and the other Republicans *felt certain* tblue37 Nov 2012 #22
the entire media was behaving as if they were manufacturing consent for the theft RepublicansRZombies Nov 2012 #100
On another thread Botany and some others have offered a plausible tblue37 Nov 2012 #131
My thoughts, exactly. momsrule Nov 2012 #150
Where is this elusive "entire media" you discovered? Coyotl Nov 2012 #138
I think they simply believe their own bullshit. MrSlayer Nov 2012 #105
Yes, bubble is the most likely explanation. The famous saying applies: Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2012 #147
Nate Silver cannot be underestimated as a concern EmeraldCityGrl Nov 2012 #108
What I couldn't believe nichomachus Nov 2012 #29
Not if you wanted to thumb your nose. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #67
I wonder if it was intended as an "UP YOURS" Mariana Nov 2012 #72
wow. that did not occur to me aletier_v Nov 2012 #118
Not at all. Bostonians hate him. smirkymonkey Nov 2012 #149
His supporters flew into Boston nichomachus Nov 2012 #158
Ever since the 3rd debate OldHippieChick Nov 2012 #32
That look spoke volumes. n/t IL Lib Nov 2012 #94
Just wait until all the books come out madaboutharry Nov 2012 #33
It's not the transition website and fireworks because obviously you want to be prepared NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #36
I think even Bill Clinton wrote a concession speech for 1992 bluestateguy Nov 2012 #63
I thought candidates were not supposed to admit to writing them democrattotheend Nov 2012 #189
I think the fireworks would have been a first. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #71
Dubya was planning a street party with fireworks... regnaD kciN Nov 2012 #88
Sad, but true. Thank you. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #155
I remember it was raining that night in Texas dragonlady Nov 2012 #167
Really? I thought some candidates do it. Obama's campaign considered it in 2008 democrattotheend Nov 2012 #190
Precisely. As another DUer said, his "concession" speech seemed to have been outtakes from his Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #117
It was very gratifying seeing them so depressed. dem4ward Nov 2012 #37
We will know the inside story SCVDem Nov 2012 #42
really well said, thanks Cali Voice for Peace Nov 2012 #43
57 million plus bought what he was selling. kentuck Nov 2012 #44
yes it is Skittles Nov 2012 #185
he just got high on his own supply. He believed the polls are wrong BS and everything else from Fox Hamlette Nov 2012 #45
Yes, the part where he didn't want to be blamed for potential failures at Bain says it all n/t sammytko Nov 2012 #113
I believe he thought he was destined Blue Gardener Nov 2012 #47
And with that realization, Mitt turned to his son and said, WinkyDink Nov 2012 #75
He was raised to believe The Wizard Nov 2012 #51
He set himself up for a whopper of a karmic adjustment lunatica Nov 2012 #52
I agree except agent46 Nov 2012 #54
He honestly believed he was chosen by God Motown_Johnny Nov 2012 #60
I'm watching "Game Change" on HBO right now. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2012 #68
Remember what Ann said drmeow Nov 2012 #73
The real Americans, the Makers, voted for him. Everyone else does not belong here. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #77
This Happened In Large Measure Because DallasNE Nov 2012 #78
It kind of explains the weird look on his face at all times. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2012 #79
Like a big cold splash in the face! Uniblab Nov 2012 #80
Just another day on bullshit mountain for the fox crew.. mountain grammy Nov 2012 #81
I believe I would be humiliated if I lost millions of people's votes...myself..so I imagine he is in onecent Nov 2012 #84
The GOP really needs to stop running turds for president rock Nov 2012 #85
Most satisfying to me is that we, the little people they despise so much, denied them catbyte Nov 2012 #96
Now he in the same mental shape as his buddy Trump, oldbanjo Nov 2012 #87
It wasn't just Romney himself. The same exact thinking infected his entire campaign from grassroots Douglas Carpenter Nov 2012 #90
+1,000,000,000 x 1,000,000,000 - Well put and definitely coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #91
Interesting... Liberal1975 Nov 2012 #97
Almost works the same way as venture capitalism... EmeraldCityGrl Nov 2012 #111
I was wondering Liberal1975 Nov 2012 #116
I also think he has a Daddy complex and that's what bites him the worst... ScreamingMeemie Nov 2012 #101
What is it with Republicans with daddy issues? Doodler71 Nov 2012 #133
Daddy was an authoritarian Maynar Nov 2012 #180
Mitt Romney did not want to be president. He wanted to be first CEO. Initech Nov 2012 #104
he didn't get away with ANTHING -- he lost big KurtNYC Nov 2012 #106
Why wouldn't he be arrogant? ProSense Nov 2012 #114
WHAT? What plans for re-election? What was that about? Tx4obama Nov 2012 #126
Wonderful post. Captures everything I believe as well. kayakjohnny Nov 2012 #127
Ann and Mittens Milliesmom Nov 2012 #128
I agree ... And welcome to DU! Arugula Latte Nov 2012 #169
Thanks Milliesmom Nov 2012 #183
Oh man, I've been here 11 years and I don't know what I would have done without it during Arugula Latte Nov 2012 #186
I think somewhere in Mormon prophecy, he believed he was "destined" to make this HIS country. VPStoltz Nov 2012 #129
The reason I knew we were going to win is in your OP and grantcart Nov 2012 #132
It comes from his corporate experience liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #134
Pride cometh libodem Nov 2012 #156
The most important question was: Antisocial or Narcissistic? sofa king Nov 2012 #159
He believed having faith in a win would bring him victory. Qutzupalotl Nov 2012 #160
I agree Cali. k&r n/t Little Star Nov 2012 #165
I've been waking up with a smile everyday since last Wednesday. lexw Nov 2012 #166
His behavior is exactly what I expect from an egocentric sociopath. nt RedCappedBandit Nov 2012 #170
He's probably donned his State Trooper outfit Cheap_Trick Nov 2012 #172
Turns out Mr. Money can't buy dignity Blue Owl Nov 2012 #173
White House mgardener Nov 2012 #175
K&R. My schadenfreude cliffordu Nov 2012 #177

brewens

(13,603 posts)
1. I wonder if he set a precedent on the tax returns? Will the next Republican candidate start out
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:37 PM
Nov 2012

planning on releasing them? I suppose so, since Romney lost. Any half-way honest person could probably be comfortable doing so, even if they are quite wealthy. I know Romney really couldn't or he would have.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
56. Maybe. I think we should set about requiring a minimum of say, 12 years, tax returns be revealed in
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:48 PM
Nov 2012

their entirety. Not sure how we do that, but I would be game for that.

 

Ya Basta

(391 posts)
110. I am not so sure
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:09 PM
Nov 2012

because in addition of looking like they have something to hide. It can now also run the risk of looking too much like Romney. And I don't think anyone would want themselves to look like Romney.

n/t

Cha

(297,385 posts)
121. No, because the arrogant pos LOST. So, I think future candidates
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 10:15 PM
Nov 2012

will most assuredly want the American Voter to know they're not a sneaky, Tax Dodging, non patriotic A$$hole like willard mitt romney.

mwb970

(11,364 posts)
145. I don't know why anyone thought Mitt would win.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:40 AM
Nov 2012

He was EXACTLY the wrong candidate at EXACTLY the wrong time. Just as America discovers that the public is being illegitimately raped by the top .01%, the republicans run Richie Rich and his Secret Tax Returns.

The result we saw was 100% predictable. I know; I predicted it.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
3. Mitt Romney is a huckster. American voters have ways of shutting that thing down.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:40 PM
Nov 2012

I've known CEOs and Mitt isn't one of them or fit to polish their shoes (female, as well as males). He is a two-bit flim-flam person that cheated (got dirty money from South America), laundered (said money), lied (whenever necessary), bullied (pretty much everyone around him), preened (Bishop Romney) and acted like a financial pig with lipstick.

Jane Austin

(9,199 posts)
24. I so agree.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:03 PM
Nov 2012

I have done a lot of investing in my life as well as managing my own company.

You have to do a lot of due diligence in investing well, and Mitt very obviously doesn't care about consistent details, or researching financial histories.

He was the front man. The guy with the rich friends and connections. He said whatever was needed to to get investors.

I'm guessing the point-men in Bain were pretty good (and ruthless) at what they did, while Mitt rounded up the investors with glib talk.

Same goes for the Winter Olympics. He talked the feds out of some big bucks while others managed things.

This country really dodged a bullet this election.

calimary

(81,359 posts)
120. LOVE YOUR POST!!! "American voters have ways of shutting that thing down." ROFL!!!!!
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:56 PM
Nov 2012

Jam it back down their throats. Jam it ALL back down their throats!

Just really love this, libdem4life!

"I've known CEOs and Mitt isn't one of them or fit to polish their shoes (female, as well as males). He is a two-bit flim-flam person that cheated (got dirty money from South America), laundered (said money), lied (whenever necessary), bullied (pretty much everyone around him), preened (Bishop Romney) and acted like a financial pig with lipstick."

I think this theory is spot-on. mittski has breathed such rarified air for all his life - ALL his life. Everyone's been plenty well-aware of his "rank" throughout his life. Born into wealth, privilege, and power. Grew up with a deep-seated longing to prove how Alpha-male he was - even over his father. We saw that ethic at play in throughout last decade, with bush-junior's "outshine-my-dad-the-president" complex. john mcsame had the same thing in 2008. With him - it was "outshine-all-the-admirals-in-my-family." Unfortunately, bush-junior never had to learn this lesson. mcsame-junior did, and romney-junior WAY did.

My guess is, wrongney's bullying behavior was never checked, and on the contrary, was rewarded and reinforced. VASTLY, OBSCENELY-RICHLY rewarded and reinforced, if you ask me. I bet ol' mittski turns out to be something of a Billionaire if ever we're able to find out the entire truth. I suspect that because of his wealth and privilege and status, prominent family, obvious monetary success all over the place, most people around him bowed and scraped, and deferred to him just on principle. There's an instinctive urge to fawn over the richest person in the room, or the prettiest/handsomest person in the room, or the most powerful person in the room, because if you can't be on top of the zigurrat, then you aspire to cozy up to whoever is. So never is heard a discouraging word. No one wanted to alienate or otherwise piss off the Alpha. Watch the social-climbing behavior of any group of dogs. Same stuff starts manifesting. Everybody sucks up to the Alpha. I'm the main Alpha at our house because I'm the one who feeds the critters all the time. They ALL suck up to me. No one wants to be too far away or out of favor with the Alpha.

So I bet, business-wise; Mormon church-wise (he was/is a bishop in the church forcryingoutloud); in one state - well, two if you count the whole Utah Olympics thing; throughout his schooling at prestigious academies and universities; he was always a kingpin, or the king outright. Hell, I read something about him recently that described him in the eyes of fellow townsfolk as a "tribal chieftain," arriving with all those kids, sons (male) and their families, he was just always dominant. His extended family alone made up at least a third of the attendance at any local/regional church or community meeting hall. And it goes without saying how, in the private sector, a CEO's word was LAW. You NEVER spoke out of turn or criticized or defied the CEO. Not if you expected to keep your job. And if he was CEO and chief stockholder, well, you'd have no recourse whatsoever. He was god.

So I'll bet this indeed IS the first time he's ever been handed a defeat. It was out of his hands. There weren't enough people to trip, during the foot-race, to make sure he'd win the way it tended to be at family parties and other outdoor celebrations. The man who must always be first to the food and first at table and first finished. All this points to an individual with a complex about the size of the freakin' solar system! And this defeat is equally EPIC-sized. And it's not in some exalted corner office or cushy private conference room, or invitation-only donors' reception. It's all out there on every TV and cable network on the planet in one form or other. It's spectacular exposure - failing on that scale. Especially for an individual who guards his privacy and his secrets as relentlessly as he does. This is WAY WAY WAY public. And his whole life has set him up without a template for handling or, as he'd prefer to put it, managing this.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
139. An anthropologist friend of mine once said that an alpha male
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:22 AM
Nov 2012

--is someone who is condemned to go through life never knowing for sure whether or not his jokes are funny or not.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
4. I am amused by the arrogance and stupidity of the Republicans in general.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:42 PM
Nov 2012

The conservative pundits and politicians were clueless. Obama and his team and surrogates were very, very intelligent and aware of the demographics and how to GOTV. And they also did very good internal polling. I am just amazed how bad the predictions on the Repub side were. Arrogance bites you in the ass in the end.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
40. How do you just
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:24 PM
Nov 2012

completely ignore the likes of Sam Wang and Nate Silver? Those guys are cold-blooded Vulcan number crunchers without a dog in the fight. Their track record speak for themselves.

dchill

(38,511 posts)
57. You just say that they're biased gay liberals...
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:49 PM
Nov 2012

Then you make yourself believe it.
Then you sell it to your base.
Then you continue your job at Fox News. Or keep trying to get one.

ffr

(22,671 posts)
162. Obama and his team and surrogates were very, very intelligent.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:16 PM
Nov 2012

And the opposite is and would be true of Mitt and his presidency. That's it in a nutshell. Mitt and his echo chamber loyalists have no idea how to lead, no idea how to govern.

Thankfully we have one. The battle goes on for a competently governed tolerant American future.

Horse with no Name

(33,956 posts)
5. And as someone pointed out
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:42 PM
Nov 2012

At the concession speech, Ann had festive hair. She planned on attending a Victory Party that night...because make no mistake, that was party hair,lol.
She was just as shellshocked as Mitt was.

It was really strange watching this part of an alternate you-niverse that the republicans live in.

Edited to add picture: The hair and the dress don't match.



Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
14. I noticed the hair as well....
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:52 PM
Nov 2012

I am delighted Romney lost...but I think I am even more delighted that Annie won't be moving into the White House or getting to meet the Queen of England.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
187. I did not notice because that is the way I always wear my hair.
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:55 PM
Nov 2012

It is so fine and flyaway that is the only way I can control it.

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
188. My hair in always secured in a "top-knot" on the top of my head...
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:09 PM
Nov 2012

But Ann, who normally wears her hair down, certainly had her party "up-do" going. She had it up for the Alfred E. Smith white-tie dinner a few weeks ago.

Mme. Defarge

(8,036 posts)
58. Prom updo - that's perfect!
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:54 PM
Nov 2012

With the little wisps on the side.

"Because ..." If you're old enough to remember that.

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
50. Gawd. The whole lot of them look shell-shocked.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:41 PM
Nov 2012

What a telling picture. It's not disappointment....it's shock.

Raine

(30,540 posts)
55. I noticed the updo, by the time she came out it look kind disheveled.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:45 PM
Nov 2012

I hadn't thought about it being party hair but yeah now that you mention it it's obvious.

sammytko

(2,480 posts)
107. Yeah, I thought it was a mess too and for being so wealthy , she doesn't always wear
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:06 PM
Nov 2012

outfits that look good on her. She needs a stylist.

That hair did not go with the dress

starroute

(12,977 posts)
69. For that matter, why is Ryan's daughter dressed like a five year old?
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:11 PM
Nov 2012

She was born in 2002. She's about the same age as Sasha Obama, who was born in 2001. But Sasha always looks stylish and sophisticated, but in an entirely age-appropriate way. Liza Ryan, in contrast, looks like she's auditioning for kindergarten. Is it something about conservatives?



DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
86. I don't have a problem with a 10 year old dressing like a little girl
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:54 PM
Nov 2012

But I thought it was odd that Paul Ryan bought her a rifle for Christmas last year.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
112. The trouble is that ten year olds *aren't* little girls
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:18 PM
Nov 2012

I remember being that age -- and it's precisely when the desire to be grown up first takes hold. That's the purpose of preteen clothing lines. They're aimed at 9-12 year olds and are intended to have a certain sophistication in fabric and cut without being overly mature or sexualized.

Any ten year old who is still wearing tights and a smock-dress in a bright, colorful pattern is likely to be mocked mercilessly by her peers. I can't believe she would ever have chosen that outfit voluntarily, which is why it rings so very off key.

JBoy

(8,021 posts)
115. The Ryan girl just needs the right accessories.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:32 PM
Nov 2012

Like a doll in a matching outfit. That makes it.

Happyhippychick

(8,379 posts)
154. I totally agree with you. I have a 12 year old and at age 11 she would have been embarrrassed to
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:17 AM
Nov 2012

Wear tights and Mary janes.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
130. I'm glad that Romney/Ryan lost, but we don't need to be attacking a 10 year old's fashion sense (nt)
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:15 AM
Nov 2012

starroute

(12,977 posts)
136. I'm not -- I'm attacking her parents for dressing her that way
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:48 AM
Nov 2012

Do you think any ten year old would voluntarily choose to wear that outfit? Peer pressure is intense at that age.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
140. Both kids are gorgeous
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:45 AM
Nov 2012

Sasha is probably going to wind up being taller than either of her parents.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
83. I noticed the updo on election night
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:45 PM
Nov 2012

I just noticed that I hadn't seen her hair that way before. But you're absolutely right, she was ready for a victory party. Probably had an elaborate gown prepared.

I did notice that she and Ryan's wife each looked as though they had been crying.

Horse with no Name

(33,956 posts)
93. Oh goodness
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 08:32 PM
Nov 2012

I was seriously googling Nancy Reagan in a red dress because that is what I thought too!

But look really close at that picture. She looks like someone posed her and set her on the stage in that position.

ncgrits

(916 posts)
119. And while we're at it, what's with the weird PDA?
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:56 PM
Nov 2012

Every time the Romney's were required to embrace in public, Willard stands there stiff as a board with arms to his sides.

I noticed the messy hair on election nite too. My immediate thought was it looked like Ann had been having a fit.


Happyhippychick

(8,379 posts)
152. That's my theory too.She spent 2 hours getting her hair teased into an updo and then tore the hotel
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:11 AM
Nov 2012

room apart when they lost.

2naSalit

(86,680 posts)
181. Of course she threw a fit...
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:47 PM
Nov 2012

and the mittens did too, it's his usual response to not getting his way. I'll bet they even swore. What I copied off the web was the picture of mittens trying to look composed at the lectern with his eyes all puffed up... it's obvious that they were all crying. The worst thing is, Ryan kept his day job as a primary obstructionist in the House.

Those "special" people bet the farm and lost it just like a double turn around at a rigged Vegas Roulette wheel. The only thing is, it was "We the People" who won by being the citizens we are supposed to be instead of the exceptionalists buying and rigging the vote.

aletier_v

(1,773 posts)
6. People respect confidence
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:42 PM
Nov 2012

I imagine that Romney learned to exude confidence to win,
and it worked over and over and over again.

It's the same principle in dating.
Men who exude confidence get far more women,
even if they're scum and braggarts and cheaters.

It's the nature of people.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
17. People admire lots of things. For instance, humility.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:54 PM
Nov 2012

So what? That's not what the OP is about in any case.

aletier_v

(1,773 posts)
31. I didn't use the word "admire".
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:14 PM
Nov 2012

You've read what you wanted to see.

People who exude confidence convince other people to do what they want.
People who exude confidence gain authority.

Do that for a few decades and you learn that most people
do not have the strength of will or confidence to resist
even if they have misgivings.

locdlib

(176 posts)
74. i agree with
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:21 PM
Nov 2012

what you are saying. Mitt is the very definition of a CON-fidence man. But to me, mittens exudes the traits of being arrogant and being a bully along with being a con artist.

aletier_v

(1,773 posts)
46. It's how people have always been, to a lesser or greater degree.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:35 PM
Nov 2012

That's history.

All through history you see a few guys
who, for better or worse, conscript
most others into their cause,
or movement or nation or tribe.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
48. of course there have always been exceptions but it is useful to those in power
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:39 PM
Nov 2012

to brainwash others into believing it is dangerous
to trust their own thoughts and feelings. Religion
has been especially good at this. Current society is
designed around teaching children from a very young
age not to trust themselves, but instead to rely on
the guidance of 'experts.' Children raised in a state
of constant self-doubt become easy prey as adults.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
7. The older you are in life when you face your first big loss, the harder it is to take.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:43 PM
Nov 2012

Having watched a few men who succeeded all of their professional lives until they were in their thirties, that was amazing enough. Never been turned down for a date? Got into every school they applied to? Got every job? But can you imagine someone who never really faces rejection or failure until 65? It must be a pretty big shock for him, because he didn't even consider the possibility. He thought God was on his side.

Horse with no Name

(33,956 posts)
8. Mitt's been running for POTUS for years
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:45 PM
Nov 2012

He's tasted defeated quite a few times at the same trough.

This was completely different.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
28. He thought his tastes of defeat were building name recognition, training and
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:09 PM
Nov 2012

paying dues to his party, while preparing for the real thing. So those (dis)tastes were expected...kind of like going through your hazing to get into your fraternity.

This was the real thing. And this taste of defeat is probably as bitter to him as it is sweet to the 51% of us who voted for President Obama.

aletier_v

(1,773 posts)
34. I'm not sure bitter is the right word
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:18 PM
Nov 2012

Bitter implies preoccupation and reflection.

Romney doesn't strike me as a man who ruminates much,
especially about himself.

I don't think he'll run again, though.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
41. Bitter to me implies denial & rationalization, anger, blame -- anything except self-reflection
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:28 PM
Nov 2012

which is more likely to cause sadness regret
embarrassment & humility.

I wonder if he will be inclined toward an attitude
of obscurity -- or follow other loser politicians like McCain,
and insert his opinions into the news cycles .. the subtle
backhanded approach to political revenge.

aletier_v

(1,773 posts)
49. I'd vote for obscurity but that's because it's what I would do
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:40 PM
Nov 2012

I have to say, Romney is one of the most bizarre people I've paid attention to.

His behavior was often beyond my comprehension,
I don't think it was THAT hard to know the true state of the polls.

I think one part of him must have CHOSEN to ignore warnings,
as a token offering to his religion & God. (or Gods, whatever the case),
an act of faith.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
99. Obscurity, or even better, federal investigation, would be my choice as well.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 08:49 PM
Nov 2012

It's hard enough to see moments of Palin or McCain,
still after all these years, bitter and nasty people,
barfing on the tv vomitorium shows.

I don't want to have to encounter that lying creep
any more, or hear his voice, or see his wife and kids.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
157. there are 4 basic flavors: bitter, salt, sweet, sour
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:10 AM
Nov 2012

do you think Romney's *taste* made for a salty flavor? A sweet one? Sour, maybe, except for this:

"Bitter taste of defeat" is an overused, hackneyed, trite and in this case very appropriate phrase.

Dictionary definitions of bitter:
1. having a sharp, often unpleasant, taste
2. causing sorrow, discomfort, or pain; grievous
3. sharp and disagreeable; harsh, severe, piercing
4. characterized by strong feelings of hatred, resentment, cynicism, etc.

Nothing that implies self-reflection in the dictionary.

"Bitter regrets" would imply self-reflection, but it's the "regret" part of the phrase that gives the self-reflection part of its meaning.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
182. nope. bitter regrets. I'm sure there is deep anger and resentment.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:16 PM
Nov 2012

Bitter as in bile, deep from the liver regrets.

Nothing savory about it. Bitters in too high quantity are toxic. Bitter as in bitter, toxic, deep-seated resentment and anger.

Nothing about bacon suggests anger.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,777 posts)
9. And the deflation of Mitt Romney is ever so satisfying.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:48 PM
Nov 2012

I kind of imagine it like what happens when you blow up a balloon as far as possible and then let go of the stem: It flies aimlessly around the room making farting sounds and finally flops on the floor, empty and flat. When this happens at my house, one of my cats then eats the balloon, and eventually colorful rubber scraps appear among the poo in the litter box. In Mitt's case, somebody will just pick up his limp, deflated political career and send it back to... wherever.

The 2008 election was an occasion for joy; we'd never have to look at Bush's simian mug again, and the crabby neocon McCain and - most satisfyingly - Caribou Barbie were soundly defeated. This time what I felt was mostly great relief, and enormous satisfaction at the popping of the GOP's shiny bubble of arrogance. McCain/Palin were arrogant, too, but not like the stunningly isolated and clueless Romney/Ryan campaign. I think McCain knew he was going down a couple of weeks before the election (although his breathtakingly stupid running mate might not have figured it out), and I'm sure he prepared his rather gracious concession speech well in advance. But R.R. & The GOPers (there's a band name for you) had so spectacularly misjudged everything about the election, and did it so publicly and idiotically, that the final deflation of their big, sadly farting balloon was one of the most delightful, satisfying events I have ever witnessed.

Hey, fundie Bible thumpers, remember Proverbs 16:18? "Pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall."

Also, neener, neener, neener.

tblue37

(65,456 posts)
25. Please. don't let your cats eat those rubber scraps! They have passed them safely
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:04 PM
Nov 2012

thus far, thank goodness, but if you talk to your vet, he/she will tell you that those balloon scraps can cause potentially fatal intestinal obstructions! Or PM DUer kestrel, who is a cat vet. She will tell you, too, I am sure.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,777 posts)
26. Actually, this hasn't happened in a long time.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:06 PM
Nov 2012

Lately I've managed to keep dead balloons away from my cats. But I used to have one who sometimes would sneak up on an inflated balloon, then "kill" and eat part of it before he could be stopped, with the predictable results. I worry more about string, yarn, and rubber bands, which they are not allowed to play with.

beac

(9,992 posts)
64. All danger to actual cats aside, the image of Money Boo Boo as
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:03 PM
Nov 2012

the confetti poo in America's litterbox is one I will about for days to come.

Thank you for that!

Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #9)

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
10. But the bubble is everything.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:49 PM
Nov 2012

Who knew Bill Maher was so entirely correct when he began his regular segments of "The Bubble" on Real Time? Every Republican (and their bastard cousins the Libertarians) believed Romney had it in the bag. David Frum said it on Mo Jo on Friday..."conservative entertainment", think Faux News, has been lying to them. My son works for a Republican boss. A lovely man he both likes and respects. He called me Wednesday evening to tell me he had never seen his boss so enraged for so long. He was slamming doors, drawers and the phone all day. Last night he reported that his boss was somewhat calmer on Friday, but still incredulous and furious.

Since 1992 Gingrich, Luntz, Rove and Murdoch have pushed a divisive meme the uninformed have swallowed hook, line and sinker. They have convinced not only average Republican voters that first the Democrats and now Obama, is about to bring on the Apocalypse....What's worse, is that they have convinced many of the big donors the Apocalypse is nigh.

If you think this is fun, wait until the economy begins to take off...they won't know whether to shit or go blind.

malaise

(269,096 posts)
12. He's an arrogant entitled prick and a pathological LIAR
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:50 PM
Nov 2012

to boot - the personification of a ReTHUG. It would have been very bad for this planet if he was heading to the WH.
I'll never forget when he told Obama to pack up and leave. He must be on meds all now.

I'd like to believe that the fix that flopped was in, but knowing his type he just assumed he'd beat the 'help'. What a lesson!!

tblue37

(65,456 posts)
23. But it wasn't just Romney. *Everyone* on that side was sure the fix was in.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:01 PM
Nov 2012

Look at how Rove behaved on FOX and how all the pundits, even George Will, stuck their necks out and publicly predicted a Romney landslide--not a mere win,but a huge landslide of the magnitude of the one Obama actually did get. Will's a jerk, but he is usually pretty careful not to make outrageous predictions, because he likes to come across as the wise, sober elder.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,777 posts)
30. I think it was a closed loop of misinformation.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:14 PM
Nov 2012

The pundits got the bad numbers from the Romney campaign, whose confidence was further reinforced by the pundits, who then got more bad numbers from the campaign, and so on and so forth. Reality was never allowed to break into the circle.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
62. Remember how they bragged that they created reality and we
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:02 PM
Nov 2012

just had to accept their reality. They still think that way. They were sure President Obama was only a very small speed bump on their highway to glory. All they had to do was squeeze him into irrelevance.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
168. I think social media is helping pull back the curtain on their lies and spin.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:22 PM
Nov 2012

The younger folks ain't buyin' what the 'pubs are sellin'.

malaise

(269,096 posts)
151. Yes they either had a plan or they miscalculated big time
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:33 AM
Nov 2012

re facts. Still I would have paid big time to watch a meltdown of Rove's epic proportions. That was coffee icing on my favorite carrot cake.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
153. They all firmly believed that all that money and voter suppression bought
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:14 AM
Nov 2012

the win for them. I'm positive the Rover is still trying to understand what when wrong. Maybe that presentation to his donors will help him out on that.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
16. Its pretty simple
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:52 PM
Nov 2012

He is not United States of America Presidential material

You're right he ran a terrible campaign

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)
98. So did the rest of his party.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 08:46 PM
Nov 2012

They all actually believe that the President is stupid and incompetent, and that's why he was going to lose. They believe that everyone thinks the way they do. And, they think that anyone who doesn't see things the way they do are "idiots", "stupid", "lazy", "unemployed", "evil", "want free stuff"... Like Willard, they believe their own lies--the lies that alienated the other 51% of the electorate.

tblue37

(65,456 posts)
22. I *feel certain* that he and the other Republicans *felt certain*
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:57 PM
Nov 2012

that the fix was in. Rove's behavior on FOX and the constant predictions from the right of a Romney landslide suggest that they were all pretty darned sure. Either the tsunami overwhelmed them because they hadn't adjusted for such high numbers, or else somehow someone undid the fix.

When I saw people waiting in line until past midnight to cast a vote despite the attempts to suppress their votes, I began to think that the voter suppression tactic might well have enormously enlarged the size of the Obama vote, so that the numbers that were set up to be fixed just were not enough.

I think they fixed 2008, too, and that he got many more votes than were reported--and also that many close congressional and other races were flipped to Republicans, but that the overwhelming numbers prevented the Republicans from successfully stealing the presidency then, and perhaps that is also what happened this time.

 
100. the entire media was behaving as if they were manufacturing consent for the theft
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 08:50 PM
Nov 2012

I have the feeling that someone interfered with the theft, blocked their cell phones/tabulator connection...and whoever that is, Thank you!

tblue37

(65,456 posts)
131. On another thread Botany and some others have offered a plausible
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:34 AM
Nov 2012

explanation. They pointed to Husted, the Secretary of State for Ohio who was slammed by two federal judges, first for trying to cut early voting hours and then for trying to change the rules on provisional ballots so they would be discarded. They suggested that with all the scrutiny--the Dem lawyers and other watchers on the ground, the pushback from federal judges who were focused on Husted himself specifically, etc.--perhaps Husted realized that he could get caught if he pulled the trigger to switch votes, and that he would be looking at hard time in the federal pen if he was caught, so he chickened out and didn't follow through with what he was supposed to make happen.

Add to that possibility the overwhelming tsunami of votes for Obama, and it sounds like a scenario that could surprise those, like Rove, who clearly thought the fix was in.

I don't think there is any question that Rove's reaction on TV and the reaction of Romney and his team were the flabbergasted responses of a bunch of people who had just had the rug pulled out from under them because they were so certain they had it all arranged to go differently.

Furthermore, the over the top predictions by pundits--not just FOX wackos like Dick Morris, but even the ordinarily sober George Will--that Romney would win in a landslide rather than just a squeaker were so at odds with the polls that they had to be based on the assumption that something was going to ensure his big win.

momsrule

(100 posts)
150. My thoughts, exactly.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:23 AM
Nov 2012

Thank you for stating this better than I could. Rove was suspiciously over-confident as was the Romney team and repub pundits. Seemed obvios they had a grand theft of votes scheme.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
138. Where is this elusive "entire media" you discovered?
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:09 AM
Nov 2012

People voting interfered with their plans, lots and lots of people, young people, gay people, female people, all kinds of people voting.

They knew they had to win Ohio or it was completely over. Their denial was because of that. No other explanation needed. Occam's razor!

I would rephrase that "their entire media" to designate the biased corporate media like Fox. But frankly, the media had a good idea that Obama was up by about 2% on election morning.

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
105. I think they simply believe their own bullshit.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:02 PM
Nov 2012

I don't think any fix was in nor do I think they expected a fix. They just live in that bubble. They are as detached from reality as the people they've been duping all these years. They have their own math and their own polls. The real world set in on them in an ugly way.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,018 posts)
147. Yes, bubble is the most likely explanation. The famous saying applies:
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:50 AM
Nov 2012

"Don't blame evil intentions when simple incompetence is a likely explanation."

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
29. What I couldn't believe
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:09 PM
Nov 2012

was that he was holding his "victory celebration" in Boston, a city that was sure to vote heavily against him -- and it did. Obama/Biden, 80% -- Romney, 20%.

I would have chosen a city where the residents were going to like me -- win, lose, or draw.

Mariana

(14,858 posts)
72. I wonder if it was intended as an "UP YOURS"
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:17 PM
Nov 2012

to the people of Massachusetts, and of Boston in particular. "Nyah, nyah, fuck you, Boston, I WON!!!"

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
149. Not at all. Bostonians hate him.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:07 AM
Nov 2012

Actually, most of Massachusetts hates him. Why he was here in Boston, I have no clue. I am just so very, very glad that he lost.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
158. His supporters flew into Boston
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:33 AM
Nov 2012

In their private jets. News reports said Logan Airport was flooded with private jets. That in itself is telling, because most private jets going to Boston fly into Hanscom Field because the landing fees at Logan are so expensive. So this tells you we're talking about the 0.01 percent.

OldHippieChick

(2,434 posts)
32. Ever since the 3rd debate
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:17 PM
Nov 2012

When he turned to the President w/ such disdain about the "act of terror", I have wished this man a crash landing. That was the most disrespectful and yes, arrogant, look I have ever seen and to direct it toward the President of the United States tole me everything I wanted to know about the man. I have zero sympathy for him or his thug son who wanted to punch the President. They'll be fine.

madaboutharry

(40,212 posts)
33. Just wait until all the books come out
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:18 PM
Nov 2012

analyzing Mitt's clusterf**k of a campaign. It will be a landslide of humiliation as angry campaign workers and pissed off millionaire donors stick the shiv in him and make themselves available for interviews.

As for Ann Romney, I agree that she had "party hair" on election night. My take on the dress is that she was going for "republican red."

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
36. It's not the transition website and fireworks because obviously you want to be prepared
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:20 PM
Nov 2012

if you DO win.

It's the "I didn't write a concession speech" that says everything. He planned for a victory and that's fine; he didn't even contemplate a loss and that's the real mark of arrogance.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
63. I think even Bill Clinton wrote a concession speech for 1992
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:03 PM
Nov 2012

Unless you're so far ahead, like Reagan in 1984, it's best not to jinx things by not being ready.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
189. I thought candidates were not supposed to admit to writing them
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 11:58 PM
Nov 2012

But Obama did on election day, very gracefully. He just said "you always write two speeches" as if it was no big deal, and made Romney look all the more arrogant. Brilliant.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
88. Dubya was planning a street party with fireworks...
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 08:12 PM
Nov 2012

...for Austin on election night 2000, but events delayed it for about five weeks

dragonlady

(3,577 posts)
167. I remember it was raining that night in Texas
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:30 PM
Nov 2012

People were standing around in the rain when the election was called for Bush.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
190. Really? I thought some candidates do it. Obama's campaign considered it in 2008
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 11:59 PM
Nov 2012

I think they had planned them but Obama cancelled them because he did not want to send the wrong message. But I didn't think it was so uncommon.

Did Clinton have fireworks in 1992?

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,771 posts)
117. Precisely. As another DUer said, his "concession" speech seemed to have been outtakes from his
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:48 PM
Nov 2012

planned victory speech, augmented with just enough "concession" language to flip it.

 

dem4ward

(323 posts)
37. It was very gratifying seeing them so depressed.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:20 PM
Nov 2012

You know they probably both are seeing a psychologist right now and are on heavy anti-depressants. LMAO!!!

Honestly, I'm counting on the Repukes not changing and Democrats continual winning!!!
I can't wait for 2014 & 2016! Bring on the tidal wave!

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
42. We will know the inside story
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:30 PM
Nov 2012

After all, how quiet will the staffers be who didn't even get their ride home comped?

Hamlette

(15,412 posts)
45. he just got high on his own supply. He believed the polls are wrong BS and everything else from Fox
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:33 PM
Nov 2012

When you work for an election, or run for office, you have to believe you have a possibility of winning. Yes, some people do it without thinking they can win but for most of us, you have to think you can win. Hence campaigns always spinning their chances of a win to keep people voting, donating, volunteering.

And, Gallup really screwed it for Romney but giving him such a big lead in the couple of weeks before the election. Nate was saying why it was BS but Romney didn't want to hear it, and in a way I can't blame him.

I don't think it was because he couldn't contemplate he would lose. Remember what he insisted on when he took over Bain? He knew he could lose and wanted to be able to cover his ass.

That's my opinion, for whatever its worth.

Blue Gardener

(3,938 posts)
47. I believe he thought he was destined
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:37 PM
Nov 2012

To be the "Mormon King". To find out it wasn't true was a big kick in the ass.

The Wizard

(12,545 posts)
51. He was raised to believe
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:42 PM
Nov 2012

the coloreds were inferior. Of course he couldn't contemplate losing to an inferior race.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
52. He set himself up for a whopper of a karmic adjustment
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:42 PM
Nov 2012

The whole world witnessed it and the great majority relished it.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
60. He honestly believed he was chosen by God
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:01 PM
Nov 2012

and he had trouble wrapping his head around the fact that he isn't.

I'm not surprised at all.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,777 posts)
68. I'm watching "Game Change" on HBO right now.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:08 PM
Nov 2012

McCain knew he was behind long before the election. Mittens never figured it out.

I hope somebody makes "Game Change II."

drmeow

(5,021 posts)
73. Remember what Ann said
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:20 PM
Nov 2012

It was his turn to be President. They really felt that it was his right - like there is some sort of list of people who are supposed to be President and his name was the next one on the list. I think that is a big reason why they didn't believe the polls and expected to win, because like some sort of rolling inherited sovereignty this was somehow inevitable. It was the role he'd been raised and groomed for, it was owed to him, and the American people must be able to see that as clearly as he could - of course they would elect him (after all, the elections are really just a formality, aren't they?).

I am loving every minute of this shellacking.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
77. The real Americans, the Makers, voted for him. Everyone else does not belong here.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:29 PM
Nov 2012

THAT IS THEIR ATTITUDE.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
78. This Happened In Large Measure Because
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:29 PM
Nov 2012

Romney's staff was conditioned to just tell Romney what he wanted to hear. And the rest is history.

Uniblab

(25 posts)
80. Like a big cold splash in the face!
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:36 PM
Nov 2012
Mittens and his ilk are not used not getting what they want. They think they can just buy anything they want. Ain't this a hell of a wake up call!

mountain grammy

(26,634 posts)
81. Just another day on bullshit mountain for the fox crew..
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:38 PM
Nov 2012

Good bye Mittens, off to oblivion with dubya!

onecent

(6,096 posts)
84. I believe I would be humiliated if I lost millions of people's votes...myself..so I imagine he is in
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:49 PM
Nov 2012

hiding...I hope he stays there.

catbyte

(34,413 posts)
96. Most satisfying to me is that we, the little people they despise so much, denied them
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 08:42 PM
Nov 2012

the one thing they wanted most--the one thing they felt entitled to. Fuck you too. Man, I feel better than I did in 2008. Not as euphoric, maybe, but Romney was more dangerous than McCain. And don't get started about Queen Ann. Disaster averted.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
90. It wasn't just Romney himself. The same exact thinking infected his entire campaign from grassroots
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 08:16 PM
Nov 2012

activist all the way up to senior advisers and his own Vice President. Ryan was reported to have looked completely dazed and confused. Ordinary Republicans looked completely dazed and confused.

Having lived half my life in the third world - this is EXACTLY the way third world despots and their supporters think No one ever tells the emperor or the emperor's advisers or the emperor's supporters that the emperor he has no clothes. It is just not done.

The Republicans have created a tightly insulated closed information system - shut off from the rest of the world - in which they voluntarily submit themselves to third world dictatorship level information control. It might be comparable to someone living in a closed and isolated religious community. They assume anything that contradicts their information is propaganda from the enemy. They are overwhelmed with cognitive dissonance when reality forces its ugly head upon them.

Liberal1975

(87 posts)
97. Interesting...
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 08:42 PM
Nov 2012

I was reading an article on DailyKos and in the comments section there was a link to redstate article which makes an interesting observation, mainly that the consultants and tech people in the Romney campaign lied in order to continue to suck at cash teat of the Romney campaign. After Citizens United this theory makes sense to me. You have to con the candidate into thinking he is winning so he can con the billionaires into donating more and more cash the influx of cash keeps the whole circus going. And everybody keeps getting paid. A lot.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
101. I also think he has a Daddy complex and that's what bites him the worst...
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 08:56 PM
Nov 2012

He'll be okay, he has his money but... to want to accomplish something your father never could---

I love that he is a footnote in history--just like his dad.

Maynar

(769 posts)
180. Daddy was an authoritarian
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:00 PM
Nov 2012

that's what they grew up under. Not knowing how to change things, they do what most children of authoritarians do:

compete.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
106. he didn't get away with ANTHING -- he lost big
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:06 PM
Nov 2012

lost a billion dollars for his investors, lost his reputation, damaged LDS, he thought he was JFK but he was Dukakis.

His lies were called out at every turn. In the middle of debates, with the 47% tape, at state fairs. He got away with nothing.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
114. Why wouldn't he be arrogant?
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:28 PM
Nov 2012

Look at the first debate: He lied his ass off and acted like a first-rate jerk and was praised for it.

That was the tone of the entire campaign, with everyone telling this fool he's gaining, winning and appearing confident and strong against a "weak" President.

"He's nothing but a footnote and one about how to run a terrible campaign."



kayakjohnny

(5,235 posts)
127. Wonderful post. Captures everything I believe as well.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:53 PM
Nov 2012

Very nicely thought out and delivered.

Thank you, cali.

 

Milliesmom

(493 posts)
128. Ann and Mittens
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:04 AM
Nov 2012

I truly believe Mittens is a sociopath and pathological liar, who along with his wife was convinced they were entitled to the White House. Ann said she was worried about his mind if he won the election, she should be even more worried now, the man is un-stable in my view.
They both have many issues just by their actions pertaining to losing their tempers in public. Never have seen our President or first lady do anything like that, even the most awful circumstances.

 

Milliesmom

(493 posts)
183. Thanks
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:27 AM
Nov 2012

Thank you for the welcome to DU. I can't believe I only found DU just before the election. So glad I did.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
186. Oh man, I've been here 11 years and I don't know what I would have done without it during
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:47 PM
Nov 2012

the Bushco. years. It saved my sanity!

VPStoltz

(1,295 posts)
129. I think somewhere in Mormon prophecy, he believed he was "destined" to make this HIS country.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:13 AM
Nov 2012

You know is something about them becoming the "god" of their own world - or planet.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
134. It comes from his corporate experience
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:10 AM
Nov 2012

They only get told what they want to hear and they always get their way

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
159. The most important question was: Antisocial or Narcissistic?
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:39 PM
Nov 2012

Romney, special guy that he is, appeared to me to meet the criteria for a diagnosis of two disorders from Cluster B of the DSM-IV.

The arrogance and self-delusion which has become visible in the aftermath of his defeat, well, that seems to answer the question in favor of narcissism. A sociopath would have better assessed the probable results of his year of attacks on all the demographics he needed to win.

So, in the end, we find that Mitt Romney was more of a GWB-style loser than a Dick Cheney-style loser, with a key difference being Romney is far less indolent and far less willing to be controlled than GWB was. GWB wanted the title and the respect it affords; Romney wanted that and total, personal control, as Dick Cheney did. He would have combined the worst aspects of both of those awful people.

We can guess that a Romney Presidency would have followed most of the major down-turns that the Bush Administration did: the stock market would have tanked because investors would have foreseen years of economic chaos as Romney's favorites were rewarded to the detriment of everyone else; a war would have been ginned up to improve his reelection chances; the international community would have backed away from his Ribbentrop-like promises; his lack of empathy or remorse would have quickly worsened conditions for the least privileged Americans; and Congress would have run rings around him and confined the damage he could do primarily to the Executive Branch (something we learned far too late in the Bush years).

I've been asking myself what kind of madman Romney is because I have constantly wondered why anyone seeking public office would willingly create an obviously false reality, and then change that surreality every day to suit the candidate's short-term goals instead of his long-term ones (like winning).

He wasn't guided by the false morality of a cult because he doesn't give a shit about his religion, either, only the myopic but relentless pursuit and acquisition of unlimited power.

Qutzupalotl

(14,320 posts)
160. He believed having faith in a win would bring him victory.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:50 PM
Nov 2012

Preparing a concession speech is an admission of doubt about your chances. He wouldn't allow it. He was probably proud of having perfect faith in what he wanted, but failed to realize the election is about what WE wanted.

lexw

(804 posts)
166. I've been waking up with a smile everyday since last Wednesday.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:23 PM
Nov 2012

We have an awesome President in office, and Romney is the loser. I'm in a happy place.

 

Cheap_Trick

(3,918 posts)
172. He's probably donned his State Trooper outfit
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:48 PM
Nov 2012

and is at this moment prowling the highways looking for a new victim.

mgardener

(1,817 posts)
175. White House
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 05:23 PM
Nov 2012

I am glad that the only house Mitt Romney couldn't buy was the White House!

And that fact that he could not buy it from a black man makes me smile!

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