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diabeticman

(3,121 posts)
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 04:30 PM Nov 2012

Have you found out that a actor/muscian you like is a wingnut?

My wife found this out in rather a harsh way. Her now ex-friend sent her a link to Kevin Sorbo (Hercules and Andromeda)twitter account and he is rather a fire breathing wingnut.

Her ex-friend did it because she is convienced my wife "brainwashed" her parents into voting Obama.

Her friends parents concider themselves republicans without a party. They believe in a smaller federal government. They believe people should be helpped by state government and not a federal government.

They told my wife this election --after the second debate-- they never thought their party was completely ran by wingnuts and they actually used the term wingnuts. They actually felt like their party abandon them.

Anyways my wife doesn't believe an actor's roles but she honestly believe that most actors take a role because a part of the role speaks to the actor.

Now she has been a fan of Bruce Campbell/Sam Raimi Evil Dead series. She have both Xena and Hercules on DVD the FIRST set with the special features anyways she loved the wit and tongue and check of both series.

She just can't believe this man is This much of a wingnut.

https://twitter.com/ksorbs

Look at post around election time especially the Have nots and Haves.

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Have you found out that a actor/muscian you like is a wingnut? (Original Post) diabeticman Nov 2012 OP
Gary Sinise kind of bums me out. charlyvi Nov 2012 #1
Me too, and I still watch his show. beveeheart Nov 2012 #7
He's a Reagan Republican and, despite that, a very good man melody Nov 2012 #29
That is what I was going to post Samantha Nov 2012 #88
John Malkovich is right-wing, too, and a big death penalty supporter, for some reason. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #150
Sorbo is mediocre... dchill Nov 2012 #2
Bruce probably already knows. Played on the Hercules series with Sorbo for a few years. diabeticman Nov 2012 #3
Bruce Campbell is a rightwinger ? lalalu Nov 2012 #81
NO I believe he is democrat if not liberal. I just saying after working with Kevin for a few years diabeticman Nov 2012 #89
Thank You for that. lalalu Nov 2012 #90
Reading Bruce Campbell's twitter feed, he does seem to be liberal. Drunken Irishman Nov 2012 #106
Good to know lalalu Nov 2012 #109
I found that out right here on DU when I posted a picture of Sorbo. I thought, MN, probably lefty. freshwest Nov 2012 #4
Lots of wealthy people are Republicans. I don't stop enjoying their work. Bucky Nov 2012 #5
Gary Sinise, Gary Oldman, Gary Numan Spider Jerusalem Nov 2012 #6
Gary Oldman! charlyvi Nov 2012 #8
He's a conservative, which I would say counts. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2012 #71
Andrew Sullivan said conservative in the UK is totally different. It's only in the US where they're Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #99
Conservative means spending all tax dollars on war and big corporations and not sharing anything valerief Nov 2012 #151
Sully knows whereof he speaks. nt hifiguy Nov 2012 #160
Yep, Gary Oldman for me. Bummer. nt susanna Nov 2012 #127
Gary Numan is I saw him in 1981!! ArnoldLayne Nov 2012 #30
Not for me in the main. I pretty well stick to progressive musicians or musicians who byeya Nov 2012 #9
Adam Baldwin used to make my naughty girl parts tingle Viva_La_Revolution Nov 2012 #10
Is he "The Usual Suspects" Baldwin? charlyvi Nov 2012 #11
Daniel Baldwin was in "Homicide" CakeGrrl Nov 2012 #18
He was also Ricky Linderman in the wonderful "My Bodyguard". Aristus Nov 2012 #19
I loved that movie. Chipper Chat Nov 2012 #129
His mothers house has been quiet during Thanksgiving.... whistler162 Nov 2012 #64
Damn. Sorry I read this -- I love Firefly! Maybe his character was typecast. :-) gateley Nov 2012 #27
Please don't tell me that. lalalu Nov 2012 #76
10th anniversary hour long special on SciFi Sunday Viva_La_Revolution Nov 2012 #91
Thanks lalalu Nov 2012 #110
Jake Gyllenhall endorsed Romney. Ugh. nt octoberlib Nov 2012 #12
That was a fake Jake Gyllenhall tweet RomneyLies Nov 2012 #15
ah, thanks. had to pick myself off the floor. Whisp Nov 2012 #17
shut the front door! no way! Whisp Nov 2012 #16
That's incorrect. IL Lib Nov 2012 #21
yes, thanks I saw the above correction, and yours. Whisp Nov 2012 #24
When pigs fly backwards! Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #25
Jake is not a wingnut. He guested on Stephanie Miller on election day Cleita Nov 2012 #40
He's unattractive...so I don't care much. n/t vaberella Nov 2012 #52
I watched the Hercules thing like once RomneyLies Nov 2012 #13
My wife admits a lot of times the supporting actors guest stars did steal the show. diabeticman Nov 2012 #14
Lucy Lawless sure stole the show! Behind the Aegis Nov 2012 #28
"Thank goodness for the Kiwi actors" My wife's words. "They really kept the show going at times. diabeticman Nov 2012 #31
I thought Kevin "Ares" Smith was Canadian. Behind the Aegis Nov 2012 #35
Here is his Wiki Page: diabeticman Nov 2012 #38
Also, lots of them are now in Spartcus. Crixus played Marc Antony in one episode. Behind the Aegis Nov 2012 #46
Oh God Aerows Nov 2012 #65
Jon Voight and Robert Duvall are disappointments CakeGrrl Nov 2012 #20
Duvall? That is disappointing The Second Stone Nov 2012 #58
Duval was featured speaker at the repuke convention in 08. nt Raine Nov 2012 #67
I Could Care Less About Voight. Paladin Nov 2012 #148
I judge artists by their art, not their politics. . . Journeyman Nov 2012 #22
"I judge artists by their art, not their politics. . ." MicaelS Nov 2012 #32
Well, I will still listen to anything written by Richard Wagner, even though Cleita Nov 2012 #42
He died in 1883 NoPasaran Nov 2012 #54
The word didn't exist then, but the philosophy did. Cleita Nov 2012 #55
Wagner was a mad genius. hifiguy Nov 2012 #62
I know what you mean. I'm ethnically half German and yes it does Cleita Nov 2012 #66
You Know What they Say About Wagner, Don't You? Paladin Nov 2012 #156
Meat Loaf AnnieBW Nov 2012 #23
I really liked "Andromeda" and not because of him. Cleita Nov 2012 #36
A guy named Jim Steinman wrote every note and word hifiguy Nov 2012 #59
Steinman didn't write all of Meatloaf's music mythology Nov 2012 #85
Steinman's a Broadway composer hifiguy Nov 2012 #94
Buffy :( DonRedwood Nov 2012 #26
This was the hard one for me. :( ThatPoetGuy Nov 2012 #33
Not surprised by that. While Alyson Hannigan is a Liberal. Go figure. n/t vaberella Nov 2012 #50
Well, that sucks! Did not know that Va Lefty Nov 2012 #103
Do we actually know she's a Repub? RFKHumphreyObama Nov 2012 #124
Huffpo did an article : 50 Republican Stars or something like that. DonRedwood Nov 2012 #145
Well, on the bright side, Lucy Lawless (Xena) is a liberal. Cleita Nov 2012 #34
XENA ROCKS! Behind the Aegis Nov 2012 #37
Dennis Hopper... malokvale77 Nov 2012 #45
50 Cent and LL Cool J. Jamaal510 Nov 2012 #39
You have got to be kidding. lalalu Nov 2012 #77
Nope. Dead serious. Jamaal510 Nov 2012 #82
Wow lalalu Nov 2012 #84
Mel Gibson. nt Speck Tater Nov 2012 #41
I use to have the biggest crush on him a long, long time ago liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #123
Dave Mustaine? Populist_Prole Nov 2012 #43
I think MegaDave OriginalGeek Nov 2012 #131
Dave turned fundie wingnut a long time ago. Initech Nov 2012 #138
Melissa Joan Hart lbrtbell Nov 2012 #44
Mary Lou Retton always bugged the #@$# out of me. Darth_Kitten Nov 2012 #78
:D Skittles Nov 2012 #133
Sadly James Woods. Loved him in Salvador and still can't believe he's a winger think Nov 2012 #47
Salvador is one of the best films I've ever seen. UnrepentantLiberal Nov 2012 #147
Yep Arcanetrance Nov 2012 #48
Wow, an Iced Earth fan! eqfan592 Nov 2012 #75
Yes Arcanetrance Nov 2012 #86
I found out Kevin Sorbo was a wingnut when he was in all those Religious programs... vaberella Nov 2012 #49
Lots of times... sendero Nov 2012 #51
Clint Eastwood was a disappointment this tear Mike Daniels Nov 2012 #53
I really couldn't give a fuck. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2012 #56
Jon Lovitz. That's the ticket... lob1 Nov 2012 #57
Miranda Lambert. She doesn't seem nutty about it though and I still love her music. Lilyeye Nov 2012 #60
Mary Tyler Moore. closeupready Nov 2012 #61
That is kind of disappointing. hifiguy Nov 2012 #63
Every one of my boyfriends did, her and Diana Rigg. Cleita Nov 2012 #73
Diana R was one of my other great adolescent hifiguy Nov 2012 #87
I still like Mary. Cleita Nov 2012 #72
She hasn't always been a Repub, I think RFKHumphreyObama Nov 2012 #100
nooo :( stuntcat Nov 2012 #74
yeah, she could take a nothing day and suddenly make it all seem worthwhile... Darth_Kitten Nov 2012 #80
What?! lalalu Nov 2012 #79
Oh, no. I hate to hear that. She was one of my idols growing up. nt Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #102
I know. Me, too. But she offered to endorse McCain, closeupready Nov 2012 #111
Are you sure? She backed David Dinkins for NYC mayor Ken Burch Nov 2012 #128
This is from her wiki page: closeupready Nov 2012 #146
Sad. I wonder what brought THAT on. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #149
She likes Krauthammer cuz he's one of the few people scarier looking than she is. nt valerief Nov 2012 #153
I'm a huge fan of this guy... MrsBrady Nov 2012 #68
How about a golfer.....my #5 boyfriend, Rickie Fowler IS a repub..... a kennedy Nov 2012 #69
Screenwriter/actor Julian Fellowes is a Tory. CBHagman Nov 2012 #70
Well, not all Tories are right-wing fire-breathers. Darth_Kitten Nov 2012 #83
Aw, damn! Sorbo is a righty? :^( GreenPartyVoter Nov 2012 #92
Suprised by Peyton Manning Pbs1914 Nov 2012 #93
He keeps it quiet and I don't think he's a wingnut. hifiguy Nov 2012 #96
Stacy Dash and J.J. from Good Times Pbs1914 Nov 2012 #95
Jim Caviezel (TV series _Person of Interest_) frogmarch Nov 2012 #97
You do know he played Jesus in Mel Gibson's Passion of the Christ right? liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #117
...and got struck by lightning -- TWICE -- during the filming... regnaD kciN Nov 2012 #139
I'd made a point of not frogmarch Nov 2012 #144
Jimmy Stewart. But Repubs then weren't wackos. Bruce Willis. nt Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #98
I figured Jimmy Stewart was...but you are right, they were different then ceejdre82 Nov 2012 #112
Stewart was a big pal of Reagan back during the latter's acting days... regnaD kciN Nov 2012 #140
It made me sad when I found out this or that person was a jp11 Nov 2012 #101
I liked Megadeth until I found out Dave Mustaine was a freeper and a douchebag. Initech Nov 2012 #104
Kelsey Grammar. Loved "Frasier." Maybe Doris Day, too. Faygo Kid Nov 2012 #105
jeeze, I thought she was dead...but as you say, hopefully an IKE type! ceejdre82 Nov 2012 #115
she's also a HUGE animal rights supporter ... so I cut her a lot of slack. And I admire Flaxbee Nov 2012 #134
Animal rights, yes. People rights? Not so much... regnaD kciN Nov 2012 #141
Wow. I'm unfriending Day in my mind (I don't FB). nt valerief Nov 2012 #154
hehe ceejdre82 Nov 2012 #161
The Clint Eastwood stunt was stunningly off-kilter & weird 99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #107
Just heard a movie audience HISS when Clint Eastwood came on screen. CBHagman Nov 2012 #116
LOL - I'll still give it to Clint, acting-wise, but he's politically clueless .. apparently. nt 99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #130
Just Joe Perry and most of the 2004 Red Sox Bombtrack Nov 2012 #108
Go Yankees! ceejdre82 Nov 2012 #113
You probably don't want to look too closely at your favorite pro athletes' politics GopherGal Nov 2012 #122
yeah....I know we should look past a person's ideology, but it is so ceejdre82 Nov 2012 #126
KERRY KING of SLAYER is conservative. Polldancer2012 Nov 2012 #114
I am happy to say that there is not one person on that list that I care at all about.. progressivebydesign Nov 2012 #118
Same here. I find that most people I like just aren't republican. smirkymonkey Nov 2012 #143
Clint Eastwood--but it seemed he was worse for Romney submerged99 Nov 2012 #119
I don't care about an artist's politics. Beacool Nov 2012 #120
I've never stopped watching or listening to an artist because of their politics but liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #121
I loved Kelsey Grammar in Frasier ailsagirl Nov 2012 #125
I have bad luck with authors in that regard. (nt) Posteritatis Nov 2012 #132
I used to think highly of Dennis Miller n/t left on green only Nov 2012 #135
I'd heard (Yrs ago) that Sorbo left Hercules because he was up with the hints of lesbianism Liberal_in_LA Nov 2012 #136
Jerry Doyle and supposedly Bruce Boxleitner, kentauros Nov 2012 #137
If I judged everyone by politics or religion SomethingFishy Nov 2012 #142
Clint Eastwood Harry_Scrote Nov 2012 #152
Jay Cutler ballabosh Nov 2012 #155
Andy Garcia CitizenLeft Nov 2012 #157
I knew Sorbo's parents (he's from the town where I spent my teenage years), and they Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2012 #158
Nobody really but I have a funny story about Carroll O'Connor rbrnmw Nov 2012 #159
Aaron Lewis from Staind DLine Nov 2012 #162

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
88. That is what I was going to post
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 08:00 PM
Nov 2012

I absolutely love CSI: NY and I think he is a really accomplished actor. I was heartbroken to see his name on the list containing names of celebrities endorsing Romney. I am going to try to compartmentalize and forget I ever saw that list.

Sam

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
150. John Malkovich is right-wing, too, and a big death penalty supporter, for some reason.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:38 PM
Nov 2012

Maybe being in the Steppenwolf Company does something really weird to an actor's head.

diabeticman

(3,121 posts)
89. NO I believe he is democrat if not liberal. I just saying after working with Kevin for a few years
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 08:05 PM
Nov 2012

I'm sure he knows that Sorbo is a winger.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
106. Reading Bruce Campbell's twitter feed, he does seem to be liberal.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:15 PM
Nov 2012
https://twitter.com/GroovyBruce

Bruce Campbell ?@GroovyBruce
“@skeeter10: Bummed we're spending taxpayer money on birth control and contraception for one thing.” Cool. So, you'll cover it?

Bruce Campbell ?@GroovyBruce
“@Lidyalim: @GroovyBruce you'd be a very handsome version of Romney. Who would be your Paul Ryan?” Pee-Wee Herman.

So...

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
4. I found that out right here on DU when I posted a picture of Sorbo. I thought, MN, probably lefty.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 04:40 PM
Nov 2012

State with Paul Wellstone and now Al Franken. Ventura, yeah, but. Was I embarrassed. No interest in seeing him again.

Like the guy in the sitcom who played a part so zany and sweet, arrested for abusing his girlfriend. A guy with martial arts training, who knew better than to use it like that. He's still in films, but it took a while for him to rehabilitate himself in the public eye.



Bucky

(54,035 posts)
5. Lots of wealthy people are Republicans. I don't stop enjoying their work.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 04:42 PM
Nov 2012

This applies only to actors whose work I enjoyed in the first place. You can't make me hate Frasier and you can't make me watch Steven Seagall.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
6. Gary Sinise, Gary Oldman, Gary Numan
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 04:43 PM
Nov 2012

it's enough to make one suspect a correlation between being called "Gary" and being a right-winger.

charlyvi

(6,537 posts)
8. Gary Oldman!
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 04:45 PM
Nov 2012

Is he a citizen? Can he vote? If not, I don't count him as part of Wingnuttia. If so, bummer.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
71. He's a conservative, which I would say counts.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:21 PM
Nov 2012

And I live in the UK (moved here when I married my British wife) so as far as I'm concerned it still counts. (Right-wingery is not the exclusive domain of Americans.)

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
99. Andrew Sullivan said conservative in the UK is totally different. It's only in the US where they're
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:08 PM
Nov 2012

wacko. Conservatives are fiscally conservative, but there are over 20 gay conservatives in the UK parliament, for example. So I'd say Oldman is not quite the same thing as the US version of Republican.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
151. Conservative means spending all tax dollars on war and big corporations and not sharing anything
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:43 PM
Nov 2012

with taxpayers.

 

byeya

(2,842 posts)
9. Not for me in the main. I pretty well stick to progressive musicians or musicians who
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 04:46 PM
Nov 2012

are so wrapped up in what they are doing, they don't think much of politics.

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
10. Adam Baldwin used to make my naughty girl parts tingle
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 04:51 PM
Nov 2012

Now I can barely watch Firefly without feeling ill.

I will always hate him for that

charlyvi

(6,537 posts)
11. Is he "The Usual Suspects" Baldwin?
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 04:52 PM
Nov 2012

Never mind. He's the "Homicide" Baldwin. Stephen Baldwin is "The Usual Suspects" Baldwin. Wish I could have Thanksgiving at their house.

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
18. Daniel Baldwin was in "Homicide"
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:01 PM
Nov 2012

Adam isn't related to the Baldwin brothers (Alec, Daniel, William and Stephen). Stephen is the blond wingnut.

I know Adam best from "Independence Day" - he was the military liaison at Area 51.

 

whistler162

(11,155 posts)
64. His mothers house has been quiet during Thanksgiving....
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:02 PM
Nov 2012

at least we haven't heard any majot sirens in that direction. She lives across the highway from the area I live.

 

RomneyLies

(3,333 posts)
15. That was a fake Jake Gyllenhall tweet
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 04:58 PM
Nov 2012

Drudge immediately put it up.

Jake Gyllenhall DID NOT endorse Romney. He did, in fact, donate money to Obama:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83334.html

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
16. shut the front door! no way!
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 04:58 PM
Nov 2012

no freaking way!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

IL Lib

(190 posts)
21. That's incorrect.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:04 PM
Nov 2012

He was on the Stephanie Miller show in support of the Pressident a day before the election.

Clint Eastwood for me. I'm only 40 and African-American but was a fan. His disrespect of the President has turned me off. Being a republican is a personal choice, but you don't have to disrespect the President.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
24. yes, thanks I saw the above correction, and yours.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:07 PM
Nov 2012

I feel better now.

I can't think of anyone, maybe Gary Sinese but I wasn't all that crazy about him anyway. Cept his role in Stephen King's The Stand. He did pretty good but I don't follow him or anything.

Can't really think of anyone atm.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
40. Jake is not a wingnut. He guested on Stephanie Miller on election day
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:39 PM
Nov 2012

and endorsed Obama. He's one of a small group of actors who make me feel happy to be a woman.

 

RomneyLies

(3,333 posts)
13. I watched the Hercules thing like once
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 04:56 PM
Nov 2012

Sorbo is such a piss poor actor there was no way I could even finish a single episode of that garbage.

Behind the Aegis

(53,965 posts)
28. Lucy Lawless sure stole the show!
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:22 PM
Nov 2012

I adore her! Love "Xena"!!! I even watched that horrific "Tarzan" remix because she joined the cast. I was thrilled when she joined "No Ordinary Family" only to be depressed the next week when it was canceled. Then there is "Spartacus!" WHOA BABY!


Note: LOL! "Xena" is in the DU spellcheck dictionary!

diabeticman

(3,121 posts)
31. "Thank goodness for the Kiwi actors" My wife's words. "They really kept the show going at times.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:29 PM
Nov 2012

Michael Hurst, The Late Kevin Smith (Not the American actor and director) If it wasn't for the Hercules and Xena shows Peter Jackson may not have been able to do lord of the Rings.

Behind the Aegis

(53,965 posts)
35. I thought Kevin "Ares" Smith was Canadian.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:32 PM
Nov 2012

I was so shocked when he died. It was even sadder watching the DVD extras when Lucy and Renee were watching the episodes and commenting afer he had passed away. I just cried and had to stop watching. But, I agree with your wife!

diabeticman

(3,121 posts)
38. Here is his Wiki Page:
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:37 PM
Nov 2012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Smith_(New_Zealand_actor)


My wife said if you watch the series carefully you can see serveral people playing various different roles thoughout the series.

Behind the Aegis

(53,965 posts)
46. Also, lots of them are now in Spartcus. Crixus played Marc Antony in one episode.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:51 PM
Nov 2012

Karl Urban's first role in Xena was the brother of Issac and trying to confince his father to sacrifice him. Then, he played Eros, and finally Ceasar!

I still watch "Xena" from start to almost end every now and again. I can't watch the last episode. I have only seen it once and refuse to watch it again. LOL.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
65. Oh God
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:07 PM
Nov 2012

The last episode depresses me. I, too, have only watched it once. They should have road off into the sunset together

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
20. Jon Voight and Robert Duvall are disappointments
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:04 PM
Nov 2012

mostly for the intensity of their anti-Obama stances. I like their work, but I can't help but let their political attitudes spoil the enjoyment of watching their performances.

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
58. Duvall? That is disappointing
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:54 PM
Nov 2012

He makes any movie he is in better. I'm disappointed that Bruce Willis is a fascist. He is very entertaining. But I don't avoid his stuff because of it.

Paladin

(28,267 posts)
148. I Could Care Less About Voight.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:11 PM
Nov 2012

He's a lunatic and he's not much of an actor. But Duvall broke my heart......

Journeyman

(15,036 posts)
22. I judge artists by their art, not their politics. . .
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:06 PM
Nov 2012

and see their politics through a prism devoid of their art. For this reason, I can enjoy the poetry of Ezra Pound and the novels of Louis Ferdinand Celine, while holding the works of Dalton Trumbo and Bertolt Brecht in equal esteem. I can also denounce Pound and Celine for their adherence to fascism, while praising the good fights of Trumbo and Brecht. Here's the dichotomy in action: I named my son Dalton, yet encourage him to read Pound's Cantos.


A gift of beauty from a sometimes ugly man. . .


THE LAKE ISLE
Ezra Pound

O God, O Venus, O Mercury, patron of thieves,
Give me in due time, I beseech you, a little tobacco-shop,
With the little bright boxes
piled up neatly upon the shelves
And the loose fragrant cavendish
and the shag,
And the bright Virginia
loose under the bright glass cases,
And a pair of scales not too greasy,
And the whores dropping in for a word or two in passing,
For a flip word, and to tidy their hair a bit.

O God, O Venus, O Mercury, patron of thieves,
Lend me a little tobacco-shop,
or install me in any profession
Save this damn'd profession of writing,
where one needs one's brains all the time.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
32. "I judge artists by their art, not their politics. . ."
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:30 PM
Nov 2012

Great quote, I plan to remember it, and use it in the future.

I judge artists on how well they do their jobs, and does their work entertain or enlighten me.

And I realize that many wealthy people are Republicans.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
42. Well, I will still listen to anything written by Richard Wagner, even though
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:43 PM
Nov 2012

he was a racist Nazi.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
55. The word didn't exist then, but the philosophy did.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:41 PM
Nov 2012

Hitler got much of his ideas from Wagner. I used the word Nazi cause it was easier than a whole paragraph explaining what Wagner believed.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
62. Wagner was a mad genius.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:00 PM
Nov 2012

I am of almost exclusively German ancestry and Wagner's music never fails to stir my German soul. He was a vicious anti-Semite, to be sure, but he demanded that the Jewish conductor Hermann Levi debut his ultra-Christian "Parsifal."

Mad as a hatter but a towering genius.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
66. I know what you mean. I'm ethnically half German and yes it does
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:11 PM
Nov 2012

stir your German soul. However, since the other half of me is Latina, it does end there. I really do love his music though.

AnnieBW

(10,438 posts)
23. Meat Loaf
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:07 PM
Nov 2012

I love the Meat-man's music, but I hate his politics. Also, Big and Rich.

I'm not surprised about Kevin Sorbo. I met him at a con once, and he was really self-absorbed. And don't even get me started about how he ruined "Andromeda" by wanting Robert Hewitt Wolfe dumped!

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
36. I really liked "Andromeda" and not because of him.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:33 PM
Nov 2012

I liked the other characters and the writing. His character was very wooden to me.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
59. A guy named Jim Steinman wrote every note and word
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:56 PM
Nov 2012

he ever sang. I remember an article in Creem in the 1970s where Steinman said he wrote all of "Bat Out Of Hell" sitting in a room furnished only with a grand piano and a picture of Kristy McNichol.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
85. Steinman didn't write all of Meatloaf's music
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:46 PM
Nov 2012

Steinman wrote the all the first two Bat out of Hell albums and some of the songs on the third. But there are other albums that had nothing to do with Steinman, granted most of them weren't great either musically or financially.

Steinman's work for other singers hasn't done all that well most of the time with a few notable exceptions. But together I think they work well. Steinman's work is so over the top and theatrical that it needs a singer who tries to bring the same approach to the song if that makes sense.

I know a lot of people mocked his song at the Romney rally, but he's always poured it out like that in concert. I remember seeing Meatloaf and Cyndi Lauper in concert. They had very contrasting styles, but the audience loved both.

Steinman is a weird guy though. Who plays the piano wearing leather gloves?

RFKHumphreyObama

(15,164 posts)
124. Do we actually know she's a Repub?
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:33 AM
Nov 2012

I think she is as well but do we know that for sure? Haven't seen anything for it other than her husband has previously indicated that he is one of them or is at least aligned with them

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
34. Well, on the bright side, Lucy Lawless (Xena) is a liberal.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:31 PM
Nov 2012

I always suspected Sorbo was politically conservative, but I never thought he was a mouth breather. Of course both series and others were filmed in New Zealand to avoid having to employ union film workers in the USA, so it kind of points to the whole franchise's politics in a way.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
39. 50 Cent and LL Cool J.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:37 PM
Nov 2012

A while back I found out that both of them are Republicans, and 50 Cent once said that Bush 2 was his idol.

 

lalalu

(1,663 posts)
84. Wow
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:41 PM
Nov 2012

I am not a fan of 50 cents. As far as I am concerned his whole family is a bunch of lowlifes and have blood on their hands. I am surprised about LL Cool J.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
43. Dave Mustaine?
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:44 PM
Nov 2012

Many Megadeth songs dealt with apocalyptic themes, usually brought on by irresponsibility or an evil MIC.

Then I see he turns round and supports Rmoney?

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
131. I think MegaDave
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:55 AM
Nov 2012

became wingnutty because he found religion to make up for nearly drinking and drugging himself to death. Getting booted from a thrash metal band for being too fucked up has gotta be a sign...and then to see them go on to being megazillionairs while you are playing clubs had to be tough.


That's my theory anyway. Got no proof of any of it. I liked his first couple Megadeth albums.

Initech

(100,088 posts)
138. Dave turned fundie wingnut a long time ago.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:29 AM
Nov 2012

I mean the guy got kicked out of Metallica for being a dick - and now he's a religious fundamentalist dick. So yeah that one doesn't surprise me.

lbrtbell

(2,389 posts)
44. Melissa Joan Hart
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:50 PM
Nov 2012

I liked her when she could act (Clarissa), haven't been able to stand her since she became a bag of fail attempting "comic acting" (Sabrina, Melissa & Joey).

She's spoiled beyond words, with a husband who does everything but wipe her ass for her. Drives a huge gas-guzzling pickup, the whole bit.

She retweeted some Repuke hate on Twitter, then started whining when people tweeted hate back to her. This one is a classic, playing the "I'm a mommy, don't be mean to me" card. Somebody tweeted, "Hey Sabrina, fuck you," and she replied:

Such a lovely tweet to read while up feeding my 7 week old son! #feelingthelove



And while I admire Mary Lou Retton as an athlete, I can sure live without her RW views.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
47. Sadly James Woods. Loved him in Salvador and still can't believe he's a winger
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:02 PM
Nov 2012
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x2450638

In case one isn't familiar with Salvador, it was one of the better main stream films covering the genocide in El Salvador in the 1980's:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_%28film%29



Arcanetrance

(2,670 posts)
48. Yep
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:13 PM
Nov 2012

Dave Mustaine of megadeth and Jon Schaffer of Iced Earth loved both of them Dave and the Holy wars song made me want to play guitar

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
49. I found out Kevin Sorbo was a wingnut when he was in all those Religious programs...
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:30 PM
Nov 2012

my mum watches those channels and she loves Kevin Sorbo (she's a Republican/Libertarian---who supported Obama though). When I saw Kevin there...I figured he was a lost cause. This verifies it.

Mike Daniels

(5,842 posts)
53. Clint Eastwood was a disappointment this tear
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:35 PM
Nov 2012

Because he previously seemed much more of a moderate prior to his support of Romney.

That said, I don't use politics to determine my entertainment preferences.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
56. I really couldn't give a fuck.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:47 PM
Nov 2012

If the music moves me, it goes on my iPod. If the movie seems interesting, and the story line isn't too far out of the realm of reality, I'll find it on DVD or Netflix and watch it.

Political ideology is just about the least reliable indication of talent I've ever heard of.

Lilyeye

(1,417 posts)
60. Miranda Lambert. She doesn't seem nutty about it though and I still love her music.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:57 PM
Nov 2012

I forgot Dixie Carter. I loved her liberal character on Designing Women.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
87. Diana R was one of my other great adolescent
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:54 PM
Nov 2012

crushes. And Adrienne Barbeau a little later on.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
72. I still like Mary.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:22 PM
Nov 2012

I actually went to school with her. She was a couple of grades ahead of me. She's not bat shit crazy. She did go to Congress to lobby for stem cell research, hardly a right wing position.

RFKHumphreyObama

(15,164 posts)
100. She hasn't always been a Repub, I think
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:10 PM
Nov 2012

I seem to remember reading that she either donated or campaigned for President Carter. Could be wrong

stuntcat

(12,022 posts)
74. nooo :(
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:26 PM
Nov 2012
wow, sad.

I have a weird annoying habit of never ever ever being able to forget it when I hear this about people.

Darth_Kitten

(14,192 posts)
80. yeah, she could take a nothing day and suddenly make it all seem worthwhile...
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:34 PM
Nov 2012

Never heard that she was a wing-nut, though.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
111. I know. Me, too. But she offered to endorse McCain,
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:35 AM
Nov 2012

and made remarks indicating her GOP-sympathies. I'm not certain, but I think she's registered as a Republican as well.

Oh, well - she's still a terrific entertainer.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
128. Are you sure? She backed David Dinkins for NYC mayor
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:44 AM
Nov 2012

And I think did some Dem fundraisers at one point.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
146. This is from her wiki page:
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:41 PM
Nov 2012

>>During the 1960s and 1970s, Moore could have been described more as a liberal or moderate liberal. However, during a 2011 interview with former castmate Ed Asner on the O'Reilly Factor, Asner stated that Moore "has become much more conservative of late." In fact, Bill O'Reilly admits that Moore had been a major viewer of his show, which describes how her political views had leaned towards the right in recent years.[48] In a Parade article dated March 22, 2009, Moore identified herself as a "libertarian centrist", but does admit to frequently watching Fox News. "...when one looks at what's happened to television, there are so few shows that interest me. I do watch a lot of Fox News. I like Charles Krauthammer and Bill O'Reilly...If McCain had asked me to campaign for him, I would have."[49]<<

So, maybe she considers herself an independent, but if she supported McCain/Palin, I'm not sure.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
149. Sad. I wonder what brought THAT on.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:36 PM
Nov 2012

You'd think she'd realize that Rob Petrie would need affordable healthcare after all those pratfalls.

MrsBrady

(4,187 posts)
68. I'm a huge fan of this guy...
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:14 PM
Nov 2012

two links for you...

http://www.judemusic.com/

and here

https://www.google.com/search?q=jude+christodal&rlz=1C1CHFA_enUS484US484&aq=1&oq=jude+ch&sugexp=chrome,mod=8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

and OMG I used to be in love with him...
but I love his music, he's very sweet in person (I got to meet him once),
and he's so talented.

So when I got on facebook in 2009, we actually had a mutual friend on facebook (i'm a musician)...
so we friended each other...
and I was DEVASTATED to find out he's a wingnut.

We never talked, but I would look at his posts...and OMG!
Such talent, I couldn't believe how mean he could be in some of his posts.

I still love his music, and we are still friends on facebook....
but I took him out of my feed because I didn't want to see his nasty rants.



a kennedy

(29,682 posts)
69. How about a golfer.....my #5 boyfriend, Rickie Fowler IS a repub.....
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:15 PM
Nov 2012

So no problem....he's no longer my #5 boyfriend. was going to post what he said about the election and presto, his tweet about the election is gone.....Wonder why that is....hmmmm

CBHagman

(16,987 posts)
70. Screenwriter/actor Julian Fellowes is a Tory.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:17 PM
Nov 2012

I first saw Fellowes in the series Monarch of the Glen, but of course he's better known as the Academy Award-winning screenwriter of Gosford Park and the creator of the series Downton Abbey. He's been known to create sympathetic and sometimes progressive characters, but I can't say I care for his politics.

Pbs1914

(147 posts)
93. Suprised by Peyton Manning
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 08:55 PM
Nov 2012

although an Athlete and not an actor/muscian. Always seemed well-rounded and logical.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
96. He keeps it quiet and I don't think he's a wingnut.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:04 PM
Nov 2012

Philip Rivers, OTOH, is a batshit wingnut and endorsed Icky Ricky Santorum. World of difference there.

frogmarch

(12,156 posts)
97. Jim Caviezel (TV series _Person of Interest_)
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:06 PM
Nov 2012

It bothers me that he's a republican.

I also liked him in _Frequency_ and several other movies I saw him in.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
139. ...and got struck by lightning -- TWICE -- during the filming...
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 05:49 AM
Nov 2012

...which a) might explain how he developed his current political views, and b) should have given that film's makers a hint that the Almighty was not particularly pleased with the way they were telling the story.



frogmarch

(12,156 posts)
144. I'd made a point of not
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:41 AM
Nov 2012

seeing the movie, so I'd forgotten he played Jesus in it. I did see the Daily Show report on it, though. The Daily Show "reporter" standing outside a theater showing it said something like, "I just saw it, Jon, and yep, they worked him over pretty good," and then barfed.

jp11

(2,104 posts)
101. It made me sad when I found out this or that person was a
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:11 PM
Nov 2012

nut, and too often when it comes to my attention it is hateful, small minded, greedy, disgusting comments.

I won't write them off or stop enjoying things I've enjoyed in the past but it certainly dampens my view on something new or the like about them.

Faygo Kid

(21,478 posts)
105. Kelsey Grammar. Loved "Frasier." Maybe Doris Day, too.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:14 PM
Nov 2012

Bummed about Kelsey Grammar, but Doris is pretty old now, and I'm not sure she was a Bircher type, anyway. Hoping more like an Ike Republican, which I can live with.

But, que sera sera.

Flaxbee

(13,661 posts)
134. she's also a HUGE animal rights supporter ... so I cut her a lot of slack. And I admire
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:12 AM
Nov 2012

Eisenhower a lot - so, I can certainly understand pre-Reagan Republicans.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
141. Animal rights, yes. People rights? Not so much...
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 05:55 AM
Nov 2012

I remember an interview with her once where she objected to using animals in lab experiments, but then suggested that convicted prisoners be used in their place, because people in prison deserved such torture.



 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
107. The Clint Eastwood stunt was stunningly off-kilter & weird
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:18 PM
Nov 2012

and I thought it was frankly "beneath" him to put his PR eggs into
the Rmoney/RAyan basket of poo, and to it so publicly.

CBHagman

(16,987 posts)
116. Just heard a movie audience HISS when Clint Eastwood came on screen.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:54 AM
Nov 2012

The AFI Silver Theatre in the D.C. area shows a promotional sequence at the start of each film in which Clint Eastwood, Michael Moore, and various others comment on the AFI and specifically the Silver Theatre. In the last audience I was part of, there was a smattering of applause for Michael Moore's appearance and quite vehement hissing at Clint Eastwood's.

Bombtrack

(9,523 posts)
108. Just Joe Perry and most of the 2004 Red Sox
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:45 PM
Nov 2012

I read that Gabe Kapler was the only Player to vote for Kerry. Although many of them were foreign.

Some people posted in this thread are just claimed to be conservative by evidence-free websites (like Sarah Michelle Gellar).

GopherGal

(2,009 posts)
122. You probably don't want to look too closely at your favorite pro athletes' politics
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:27 AM
Nov 2012

... to make a gross generalization, many athletes seem to lean right.

I think the attitude is "I made a success of myself due to my hard work and anyone else can, too"

ceejdre82

(183 posts)
126. yeah....I know we should look past a person's ideology, but it is so
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:40 AM
Nov 2012

disappointing to hear when someone is a Republican!

 

Polldancer2012

(88 posts)
114. KERRY KING of SLAYER is conservative.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:52 AM
Nov 2012

In fact... a listener to RUSH along with Jeff Hanneman

ORTEZA: You don't agree with those who say a flat tax demonstrates an unwillingness on the part of the well off to help the less well off?
KING: That's bullshit. I mean, Rush said it best: "Penalizing the achievers." Why should I get penalized for learning how to make money? I didn't have all the opportunities. I didn't have scholarships. But you don't hear me bitching about fucking having to sit in the gutter. I got off my ass and did something with my life. That's what being an American is about, not sitting on your ass and letting the rich people pay for you. It's about getting off your ass and accomplishing things.


ORTEZA: Does the whole band tune in to Limbaugh?
KING: Jeff [Hanneman] and I do a lot. I don't get to much anymore because I've been touring. I watch him in California a lot. In Arizona he's on late at night, and I always forget he's on. But Jeff and I always watch him in California.


Kinda a disappointment. I mean Kerry King is Gods' gift to 6 strings and digital amplification.

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
118. I am happy to say that there is not one person on that list that I care at all about..
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:56 AM
Nov 2012

not one. Never a fan of any of them. Been around Clint Eastwood.. what a miserable person he his, so it was no shock.

Glad that all of the people I like are democrats.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
143. Same here. I find that most people I like just aren't republican.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:40 AM
Nov 2012

Might be a coincidence or it might be that I have a natural aversion toward republicans regardless of their profession.

submerged99

(305 posts)
119. Clint Eastwood--but it seemed he was worse for Romney
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:56 AM
Nov 2012

I still like Clint's western movies--especially The Outlaw Josey Wales because of it's use of Native American actors.

I was disappointed to hear he was going to do the RNC but after watching it and laughing hysterically at how bad he did, I felt sorry for old Clint and thought he did more damage to Romney than anything else.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
120. I don't care about an artist's politics.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:03 AM
Nov 2012

I will listen or watch an artist because I admire their work. I couldn't care less about their politics. Although John Wayne is an exception. I refuse to watch his movies since I found out that he testified against some of his colleagues in the 50s during the McCarthy witch hunt.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
121. I've never stopped watching or listening to an artist because of their politics but
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:04 AM
Nov 2012

After what Ted Nugget said after the election does it. I will not listen to his music anymore. Also, I use to watch The Middle with Patricia Heaton before what she said about Sandra Fluke. Not anymore. It's one thing to have a different point of view on politics but to talk about people the way these right wingers do is unacceptable.

 

Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
136. I'd heard (Yrs ago) that Sorbo left Hercules because he was up with the hints of lesbianism
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:56 AM
Nov 2012

on the Xena series. I never understood why he'd quit a good gig because of whats going on with another show.


His career became gigs on SYFY channel type movies after that.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
137. Jerry Doyle and supposedly Bruce Boxleitner,
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:09 AM
Nov 2012

both of Babylon 5 fame

However, the only GOP actor I won't watch is Reagan. For the rest, if I know they're good actors, I still watch. Why? Because unless they're playing themselves in a biographical film, they aren't the character they're playing in everything else

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
142. If I judged everyone by politics or religion
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:55 AM
Nov 2012

I would have no friends left and I would be listening only to Roger Waters.

It would be boring.

ballabosh

(330 posts)
155. Jay Cutler
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:55 PM
Nov 2012

He is from Georgia/Indiana and went to school in Tennessee. I don't really care if he's a republican as long as he throws touchdowns.

Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
158. I knew Sorbo's parents (he's from the town where I spent my teenage years), and they
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 04:10 PM
Nov 2012

never struck me as being wingnuts. I never knew him, because he was much younger, but his father was my eighth grade science teacher and was quite a good teacher.

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
159. Nobody really but I have a funny story about Carroll O'Connor
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 04:56 PM
Nov 2012

A person from High School posted an Archie Bunker clip talking about liberals. I told them that Archie Bunker was a character but the show was actually making fun of bigots and conservatives by showing Archie as extreme, I said Google "Carroll O'Connor was actually a liberal". That clip went down faster than Mitt Romney's likes post election.

DLine

(397 posts)
162. Aaron Lewis from Staind
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:30 PM
Nov 2012

I love most of his music. But he seems to have a tea bagger side which even comes out in his music some.

Now, two flags fly above my land that really sum up how I feel
One is the colors that fly high and proud - the red, the white, the blue
The other one's got a rattlesnake with a simple statement made
"Don't Tread On Me" is what is says and I'll take that to my grave

Because... this is me
I'm proud to be American and strong in my beliefs
And I've said it before but I'll say it again
Cause I've never needed government to hold my hand
And I've said it before but I'll say it again
Cause my family's always fought and died to save this land
And a country boy is all I'll ever be

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