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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLOL! Luntz: Fox Viewers Ought To Be Outraged Because Day In/Day Out They Were Told Romney Would Win
VIDEO HERE:
http://mediamatters.org/video/2012/11/10/frank-luntz-fox-viewers-ought-to-be-outraged-be/191328
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Told by whom....Mr. Luntz......by whom.............?
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)dchill
(38,510 posts)He seemed to be outta sight, outta mind this cycle - as opposed to just plain outta mind.
October
(3,363 posts)Now, they're all trying new ideas to see if they can spin. They are all over the map!
Frum, though, wow...
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2012/11/frum-on-morning-joe-remarkable-15.html
October
(3,363 posts)SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)He comes up with all the bullshit.. Mahr also told him he was "evil". And he wasn't joking.
DemocracyInaction
(2,506 posts)even as Obama was taking the oath....such a brotherhood of shit
freshwest
(53,661 posts)by Joan Walsh
The official pollster of Fox News, Frank Luntz, is the man who renamed the estate tax the death tax and told Republicans to lie and call healthcare reform a government takeover of the medical system. It turns out hes also the guy who tested anti-Obama films, including one that features nude photos of President Obamas mother and depicts her as a prostitute, for a shadowy GOP donor. Now DVDs of the scurrilous film, Dreams from My Real Father, are finding their way into mailboxes in swing states.
Luntz wont say who commissioned his anti-Obama focus group, and he reportedly counseled his client to go with a milder anti-Obama film by conservative Stephen K. Bannon. Thats showing up on cable television stations in swing states soon. Another film screened was Dinesh DSouzas fantasy Obama: 2016, which Luntz said didnt test well with voters.
But the lurid anti-Obama film is showing up mailboxes in Ohio and Florida. It purports that Obamas real father is the leftist Frank Marshall Davis, and it claims to have found photos of Ann Dunham in bondage magazines. Its the creation of Joel Gilbert, reports Jeremy Peters in the New York Times, a conservative who has claimed he found Elvis Presley alive in a witness protection program and that Paul McCartney is actually dead. Gilbert wouldnt disclose the donors behind his film and its distribution though he claimed he was sending out four million copies. He taunted Peters for being part of a mainstream media that hasnt adequately vetted Obama, saying I hope youre not angry or jealous that I beat you to it and might win the Pulitzer Prize.
Luntz claimed his client had doubts about the political wisdom of backing the Gilbert film, and that their approach to Luntzs work was I want to know if its as bad as I think it is. Still, the idea that the Fox News consultant is part of testing the most lurid anti-Obama messages in a season full of them is kind of appalling. But it shouldnt be surprising.
http://www.salon.com/2012/10/24/stay_classy_frank_luntz/
With thanks to DonViego and his thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251172782
Anthony McCarthy
(507 posts)they cared about how it would test with an audience.
Republicans lie because the truth doesn't benefit them.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)please add more
Mz Pip
(27,452 posts)If the GOP doesn't think that some of this crap didn't warrant people voting just a little bit out of revenge then they are delusional.
Sticking it to creeps like this certainly crossed my mind when I voted.
Love of country and revenge are not mutually exclusive.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)we say, uncritical thinkers?
Bucky
(54,035 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,197 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)"Turn the machines back on"
underpants
(182,848 posts)I tried to find a youtube of that today to post
KharmaTrain
(31,706 posts)The monster Atwater, Luntz, Gingrich, Reed and Rove helped create in the 90s is now destroying all they had hoped to create. There was that dream of the "permanent rushpublican majority"...totally destroyed at the ballot box in the last 2 Presidential elections. They created the bubble that had led their corrupt and inept party off the political abyss and ready to head even further into political irrelevance.
AndrewP
(1,839 posts)The Wizard
(12,545 posts)progressoid
(49,992 posts)submerged99
(305 posts)I googled luntz to see what he had been saying about the race and the articles I found had him predicting Romney was going to win. He also got paid by American Crossroads to do polling for them. It appears he is was a part of that establishment that predicted a Romney win--the one he is now railing against.
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)blend in... blend in....
Dalai_1
(1,301 posts)Skidmore
(37,364 posts)aaaaaa5a
(4,667 posts)salinen
(7,288 posts)Why didn't anyone tell you this?
dem4ward
(323 posts)Cha
(297,378 posts)Zero! It seems once you've been brainwashed by fox it's not that easy to get deprogrammed.
To have the republicon pollster, Frank Luntz, say this outloud on tv is HUGE!
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)They (RWingers) don't care about lies. They care about winning!
Grammy23
(5,810 posts)You could almost feel sorry for them to be so duped and misguided. Almost. You'd think this whole event with Romney getting a spanking right in front of their eyes that they would turn on Fox and never trust them again. Instead, Fox will tell them sweet little lies and have them all back in the fold once again. They just don't have the skills to realize they have been duped and manipulated. That truly is sad, but more than that, it is frightening. These people VOTE and vote they did, based on the lies and half truths that Fox sold them.
I am not sure what the antidote to their propaganda is. Luntz and others like him have studied their audience and use psychological tricks and methods to lure them in and then keep them as good sheep. That is the scariest part of all. They have been inoculated against the truth. Just try telling them the truth and you'll see what you are up against. And it's not pretty. I fear for our country if they continue to use these tactics against such a large, willing bunch of followers.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)submerged99
(305 posts)I was visiting relatves in a rural area this week and so i spent a lot of time driving around and thought I'd listen to right wing radio to hear the reactions to the election drubbing of Romney.
From what i heard, the right wing radio hosts didn't learn anything and it sound as if they are going to continue on with the same messages that have made their audience an increasingly marginalized group. I didn't hear much reflection or introspection and instead heard plenty of the same anger and blame the Democrats for being traitors that have been the norm for decades. Some of the callers were demoralized and seeking reassurance and the responses they got from the various radio hosts was that Democrats were stupid and wanting to exploit the hard working Republicans and give to lazy minorities.
So, the good news for us is that the right wing (at least the radio component) will continue driving their listeners off the cliff.
Cha
(297,378 posts)fox!
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Jennicut
(25,415 posts)Anyone would half a brain could see that Obama led in the majority of the swing states the entire time. Were they hoping to keep it close enough to steal?
Blue4Texas
(437 posts)And I am not a Fox viewer but the one fact checking my famiy's allegations who watch FOX. When I would hear their 'we will win" contrary to the statisticians, I surmised they were lying again evidenced by all the lies they had told themselves till then LOL
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)FoxNews has lied to them day in and day out long before The Twit won the GOP nomination.
They don't watch that electronic fish wrap to become better informed. On the contrary, they watch it have their alternate reality validated. That's why they feel battered and bruised when the real world intrudes on their fantasies of white supremacy and trickle down economics that work (an married bachelors and round squares).
InsultComicDog
(1,209 posts)He is correct that they should be outraged, at people like himself
Hamlette
(15,412 posts)Won't have a huge impact, but it is better than them blaming a "flawed candidate" or some other BS.
If we could convince the GOP that having Fox lie about everything, global warming, Obama is a communist etc. is not helping their cause, I'd be happy.
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)I can't wait for another wingnut to tell me that Rasmussen is the most reliable poll and I should only listen to them.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Gallup is the only scientific poll. Everyone else guesses or has an agenda, or both. Gallup was right and Obama only won because of Sandy. These folks are deluded. They aren't coming out of it. They'll remain deluded right into the next election or two anyway.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)...who TAUGHT Fox news how to speak the way they do? Isn't "Fair and Balanced" a Luntzian phrase?
They are all so sociopathic! Unable to ever take responsibility for any harm they do.
I would give my right arm to have them all secede to their own fantasy island.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)SamHarris2012
(42 posts)They were lied to repeatedly. Look, one side told lie after lie. The other side told truth after truth. One side lied all through the primaries. The other side just sat back and listened to all the lies. One side didn't even STEP UP and squash all the hate that was going on. The other side took the high road and just basically took it.
It cost one side BIG TIME. It paid the other side BIG TIME.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Funny!
bleedinglib
(212 posts)I think all of that B.S. about rmoney winning in a landslide was an attempt too discourage Demo. voters from going too the polls??
They were playing on the hope of discouraging the dem. voters of days past??
Guess what guys, you have awakened the great sleeping TIGER & he will tear your testicles off without any pain killers & throw them into the barn yard for the pigs too eat!! (ow, that's painful too think about)
elbloggoZY27
(283 posts)Fox News the GOP enabler gets what they deserve with their fake news network and anti-Obama Propagandists.
I am glad that those who voted for the President did.
Now is the time to fix the real problems that this Country has. However, to those who are still intolerant and have ugly uncalled for comments about our President I have nothing positive to state.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)The trick is, to be aware of that, to be vigilant and call it as it is, gop propaganda.
upi402
(16,854 posts)pfft