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octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:17 PM Nov 2012

These Guys Want to Buy Up Your Debt and Set You Free

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/11/rolling-jubilee-buys-debt-cheap-and-cancels-it



Going viral today almost as fast as a good pepper spray video is the latest idea from Occupy Wall Street: the Rolling Jubilee, a project to buy up and zero out people's debts. David "How To Sharpen Pencils" Rees explains:

Now OWS is launching the ROLLING JUBILEE, a program that has been in development for months. OWS is going to start buying distressed debt (medical bills, student loans, etc.) in order to forgive it. As a test run, we spent $500, which bought $14,000 of distressed debt. We then ERASED THAT DEBT. (If you're a debt broker, once you own someone's debt you can do whatever you want with it—traditionally, you hound debtors to their grave trying to collect. We're playing a different game. A MORE AWESOME GAME.)


But ultimately, the Rolling Jubilee could do much more than inspire charity. Spending $500 to cancel $14,000 in debt is an amazing bang for the buck—or, seen differently, an amazing illustration of how the financial system that we all bailed out now enslaves many of us. Even if the Rolling Jubilee becomes wildly successful, it probably won't cancel out more than a tiny fraction of our trillions worth of personal debts. Its value is as a devastating political statement: Debt is cheap, except when it's owned by the banks.
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These Guys Want to Buy Up Your Debt and Set You Free (Original Post) octoberlib Nov 2012 OP
So can individuals buy their own distressed debt? drm604 Nov 2012 #1
excellent question nt grasswire Nov 2012 #2
I hope somebody answers this. limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #3
I will try TomClash Nov 2012 #4
Debt collection agencies buy debt for cents on the dollar.... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #15
Form a corporation... tinrobot Nov 2012 #11
A better plan would be to go to the occupy group and pay them to buy your debt. Sirveri Nov 2012 #21
I can't believe that the law hasn't been changed in the two hours since you posted this Orrex Nov 2012 #5
Just donated !! RustyWheels Nov 2012 #6
It is femrap Nov 2012 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Roland99 Nov 2012 #7
The FedGov should buy all the student loan debt at rockbottom rates then forgive it all. JaneyVee Nov 2012 #8
Wouldn't that be incredible? A student loan debt jubilee. Flaxbee Nov 2012 #9
+150 billion limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #16
Wish I could rec this 35 times. And SO THERE truedelphi Nov 2012 #10
I have femrap Nov 2012 #14
Great idea! defacto7 Nov 2012 #13
I would get in line. knitter4democracy Nov 2012 #17
K&R. (nt) Kurovski Nov 2012 #18
wow. big thinking. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #19
K&R! smirkymonkey Nov 2012 #20

drm604

(16,230 posts)
1. So can individuals buy their own distressed debt?
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:28 PM
Nov 2012

Last edited Sat Nov 10, 2012, 10:54 PM - Edit history (1)

If not, can you buy your friend's debt while he buys yours?

TomClash

(11,344 posts)
4. I will try
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 04:34 PM
Nov 2012

I owe you $14,000. I have no money to pay you, so I stop paying. I have no assets you can seize: no home to foreclose on, no bank account to attach, and in most states only asmall percentage of my measly paycheck can be garnished. So you can't get your money back.

These guys come along and offer you $500 for the right to collect the debt and you say, hell yes, better to get a little money than try to get anything from that deadbeat Tomclash. So you give the right to collect $14,000 (which you know you'll never get) to these guys in exchange for the $500 these guys give you.

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
15. Debt collection agencies buy debt for cents on the dollar....
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:39 PM
Nov 2012

If the first agency can't collect from you, eventually they sell it to another agency for considerably less than they paid for it....It finally ends up being bought for literally pennies on the dollar. People don't know that. If a debt collector offers to settle your debt for anything more than 25% of what you owe....tell him to pound salt....you'll wait for the next guy.

tinrobot

(10,904 posts)
11. Form a corporation...
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:03 PM
Nov 2012

Corporations buy debt all the time.

Once you've purchased the debt, liquidate the corporation.

You would have to pay for incorporation fees, but that can be pretty cheap if you pick the right state.

Sirveri

(4,517 posts)
21. A better plan would be to go to the occupy group and pay them to buy your debt.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:15 PM
Nov 2012

But you have to be in arrears, if you're current they can't really do anything. So if it's not in collections you can't do this.

Orrex

(63,216 posts)
5. I can't believe that the law hasn't been changed in the two hours since you posted this
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:03 PM
Nov 2012

This process might be the best fiscal idea I've ever heard.

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JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
8. The FedGov should buy all the student loan debt at rockbottom rates then forgive it all.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:30 PM
Nov 2012

If it's a trillion then $150Billion should do.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
10. Wish I could rec this 35 times. And SO THERE
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:58 PM
Nov 2012

To those who are saying that Occupy is dead.

Long Live OCCUPY. That group of activists outdid the Red Cross in providing help to those in upheaval from Sandy.

And now they offer up an alternative to the debt that normal people owe. Good to know SOME PEOPLE understand that if things like this happened in Iceland, those things can happen here.

knitter4democracy

(14,350 posts)
17. I would get in line.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:53 PM
Nov 2012

I owe the first lawyer for the divorce/custody crap a ton of money he's trying to get out of me now (long story), not to mention lawyer #2 who had to fix lawyer #1's mess. I would be gobsmacked if someone bought that debt and fixed it somehow.

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