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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI will NEVER eat Papa John's again....
In direct response to:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/09/papa-johns-obamacare-john-schnatter_n_2104202.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular
John Schnatter can kiss my ass. I hope he loses every single employee that is worth a damn, ends up crippling his business and eventually dies a lonely broken man in the remnants of his palatial estate like an echo of "Citizen Kane", only instead of 'Rosebud', may his dying words be 'Obamacare'.
Sorry, but FUCK HIM!
lindysalsagal
(20,712 posts)Honestly, you're not giving up much.
Flashmann
(2,140 posts)Only takes one time to realize that.......Shit on a shingle....Cardboard and ketchup......
susanr516
(1,425 posts)Papa John's was so bad, not even my kids would eat it.
dchill
(38,511 posts)Ironically, the only pizza I've ever had that was worse was from a place called "Fox Pizza Den."
Tutonic
(2,522 posts)n/t
LeighAnn
(2,446 posts)Let Papa John know how deplorable the treatment of his workers is
http://www.papajohns.com/customer/index.shtm
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)chknltl
(10,558 posts)Well in my book Godfathers makes a worse pizza. It is their sauce, I simply hate the flavor of their sauce. How one would think that taking a perfectly good tomato sauce and adding clorox bleach to it is an improvement utterly astonishes me.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)But this is bad too. You can't beat a small locally owned pizza shop for pizza. Any chain place is likely to be mediocre to bad.
brewens
(13,602 posts)either. We have the king of mom and pop pizza places here. At least this side of Chicago. They have a pizza that has a sweet hot mustard sauce, german sausage, sour kraut and onions. It's wildly popular. Never any specials or coupons and that place is slammed all the time.
That place is called Fazzari's. If I want pizza, it's theirs or Papa Murphy's.
jhrobbins
(1,633 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)I live in a town in settled by Italians. Still has a huge Italian-American presence.
And Papa Johns and Pizza Hut are the best pizza in town.
It's one of the more frustrating parts about living here - the "Italian food" is made by Hunts and Smart & Final.
I have no delusions that Yum Brands (owners of Pizza Hut) are liberal. But at least they're not "Papa" John.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)and literally made me sick.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)And any company claims they are laying off workers because Obama was re-elected. They were going to lay off workers, anyway.
Hav
(5,969 posts)During my visit in the US, we had one pizza from them. It just wasn't good, seriously. I'm not saying it was terrible but we never went there again.
valerief
(53,235 posts)kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)office and I spend money there all the time). I am now going to walk over there and tell them my lunch money will henceforth be spent, well, anywhere else.
Paladin
(28,267 posts)Lousy pizza, no great loss.
Stagecoach
(528 posts)Glorified frozen pizza. Eat too many of those pizzas and you will be needing the ACA. Nothing but artery-clogging grease.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)We are fortunate to have great little pizzerias all over the place
femrap
(13,418 posts)pizzas, as compared to the chains, are those found at Aldi's. They're frozen and made in either Italy or Germany. Cost from $2.99 to $3.99. Don't get the ones made in US. I like the thin crust, not the rising crust. They're always seasonal (red price sign vs. black sign). I got a 4 Cheese the other day...made in Italy. To die for. I went back and bought 5 more.
Some are made in France as well. I do put a bit a cheese on them...but this 4 cheese one really didn't need that. Damn, they're good....and so reasonably priced. I love those Aldi brothers. They own Trader Joe's as well. Lots of good European foods are offered at Aldi's. YUM. I rarely shop anywhere else.
And I think they're better than some of the mom and pop places I've gone to.
Oh, off topic, but their facial skin cream is great and only $3.99 for a jar. No mineral oil, of course.
You're lucky to be in the NW. I used to be in SF. Now stuck in Ohio, but Aldi's has helped me as well as the local hospital's cafeteria. Healthy food and so damn cheap. A great salad bar. I get a huge salad w/ meats and at most I've spent $3.50. Maybe other cities have hospitals w/ good food. There is a Pasta bar, a deli, and then the 'Special for the Day.'
Papa John can go bankrupt.
Atman
(31,464 posts)One of the three Aldi brothers was a co-owner of TJ's, but he died a while back.
Interestly, Aldi isn't the quaint little chain they appears to be. The Albrechts are two of the richest men in Germany, and the Aldi chain is actually a couple of different companies with thousands of stores around the globe.
For the best pizza, buy from a local guy! That said, as far as frozen pizzas go, Trader Joes has some of the best I've tried.
femrap
(13,418 posts)chain...the biggest grocer in Europe. Last I heard was that the 2 brothers were in a big tiff and not talking to each other....who knows? I was told that TJ's was placed into a Trust so it couldn't be screwed with. But I don't know for sure.
I can't afford to drive 65 miles round trip to buy expensive stuff at TJ's. And their pizzas are not as good as Aldi's. I've tried a number of them.
I've never had a pizza as good as the ones from Aldi's. Why? The crust is different due to the wheat that is grown in Europe...entirely different from the crap wheat we grow here. My stomach can't handle the wheat grown here. I call it 'Wonder Bread' wheat.
As for the local pizza dude, I no longer have the pleasure of living in San Fran or other foodie cities. I'm stuck in Ohio where Applebee's is considered Haute Cuisine. I'm not kidding. I never go out to eat. It's all chains or disgusting Mexican and Chinese foods which is nothing like REAL Mexican or Real Chinese food. No dim sum on the weekends. Just Moo goo gai pan...which doesn't even exist in China. It's a made-up American dish. That's what is here.
It's so funny, people will tell me to go to a great place to eat and it's just shit. If one has been out of the Heartland, and returns, there are few places to eat. Honestly, the 99 cent bean burrito at Taco Bell is better than what I get at a Mexican restaurant here. I even went to an expensive place.....$9.00 burrito. AWFUL.
I never shop at Walmart....I can't give up my Aldi's, too. I hate Kroger's. And I hate Meijer's. I only go there for something that is on sale. That's all there is. No local butchers anymore. Farmer's market in the summer. That's it. I get all my salads at the local hospital which has a fabulous and cheap cafeteria. It's the best restaurant outside of San Fran.
I now cook...I have to if I want something good to eat.
Hell, if prices keep going up, I'll have to give up eating altogether.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)femrap
(13,418 posts)lots of women working there....and women managers, at least. I'll have to ask them how they like it. I know they work very hard.
I think the only store that is Union around here is Kroger...and I hate that place. I buy very little there. I am constantly being overcharged and they never have the Express Lanes open. I email HQ all the time. I've talked to the store manager who could give a shit. I only buy what is on sale, so it is only a few items....I just can't afford their prices. But I do NOT shop at Walmart, if that redeems me in your eyes a bit.
I really like the international foods of Aldi's. And I buy food not even made in the US...it's made in Italy, Germany or France. Especially the crusts of the pizzas....they grow an entirely different wheat than we do. And it doesn't upset my stomach like pizzas made here.
Their chocolates are from Europe. The US can't make chocolate. I try not to buy much in the way of processed foods and cook from scratch as much as possible. It's cheaper and better for you.
Now I'll feel bad about shopping at Aldi's. Maybe I can plant a seed for them to unionize!
Bluzmann57
(12,336 posts)I live in the Midwest. Ever hear of Chicago pan pizza? Try it, it's good.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)If I ever do get there trying it will be near the top of my to do list
CabCurious
(954 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)lucky enough to live in a city that even knows what good pizza tastes like.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)OTOH, There are places where the weed is good enough that you don't really care.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)lalalu
(1,663 posts)Then there are the bakeries with the fresh Italian loaves. Yum
mnhtnbb
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Roland99
(53,342 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)The whole thing is just disguting. I hope he goes bankrupt.
Also, just a side note, but nobody who is not Italian has any business running a pizza shop.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Who would want to live in that? In my view, only seriously delusional people.
Moostache
(9,897 posts)Zane Tankel, chairman and CEO of Apple-Metro....add him to the "Fuck You" list...
These assholes need to be taught a lesson in the power of the people to CHOOSE not to give them their dollars...these guys all act like they are doing US a favor by being in the business of offering bad food at worse prices!
Get it straight pals...YOU work FOR us, NOT the other way around...
Sorry for the profanities, but these assholes are really bothering me today...
aaaaaa5a
(4,667 posts)He is a huge Republican. Manning donates to many GOP causes and contributed money to the Romney campaign. He is currently doing commercials with Papa Johns pizza right now.
ThatPoetGuy
(1,747 posts)Right-wingers boycott Blackjack's because the company donates to Planned Parenthood.
I might order some Blackjack's tonight.
aaaaaa5a
(4,667 posts)tarheelsunc
(2,117 posts)aaaaaa5a
(4,667 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,018 posts)There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
The cost of those "free" pizzas are built into the advertising budget. The advertising cost is built into the price of the regular pizzas.
But yes, Schnatter can afford to raise his prices by 12 cents (averaged), but in the long run, he can't afford to squeeze his employees or he'll get an uncompetitive workforce.
FieryLocks
(110 posts)I worked in the food industry for over 20 years.
Most places pay very little for their product and
turn around and make a huge profit. Also, giving
away free pizzas gives this douche bag another
tax write off for his business. You would be amazed
at the mark up on product for profit once it's
finally sold to John and Jane Q public.
LibGranny
(711 posts)pizza chains in our town! buh-bye papa johns!
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)Won't be eating at Applebee's any time soon either.
Norrin Radd
(4,959 posts)trailmonkee
(2,681 posts)if they are dems they will be happy.... it they are righties, you will probably confuse the fuck out of them
NICO9000
(970 posts)Both Papa John's and Applebees are minimum wage operations as far as their restaurant employees are concerned. I highly doubt they were ever even offered any health insurance, so these guys are "taking away" something they never bothered to offer in the first place.
Makes me happy I've never had a Papa John pizza and have never been to Applebees. Seeing that pic of Schnatter's castle makes me want to puke. What a greedy little piggy!
LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)They have nasty circle-shaped food. They call it pizza; I don't. Buy local.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)But I prefer them over rightwing Domino's and Papa Johns. I don't need a nasty little cup of artificial butter and garlic sauce to dunk decent pizza in.
InsultComicDog
(1,209 posts)Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)This ad will permanently kill your appetite for Pizza Hut:
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)Big, greasy, soggy pizzas.
I couldn't stand Papa John's -- even before Schlatter opened his mouth.
boxman
(14 posts)In fact, I can't even think of any restaurant locations close to me.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)TheDonkey
(8,911 posts)Haven't stepped in a 15 foot radius in more than a year when it became clear the company was a shill for the GOP. The pizza is good but not THAT good.
InsultComicDog
(1,209 posts)but when I did, local pizzeria pizza was just so much better.
gulliver
(13,186 posts)I have choices. And now that Papa John's little man has signaled he will reduce his product quality, I don't feel like I'm losing anything by not going there.
Bad_Ronald
(265 posts)I'm not usually a violent person, but if I witnessed this guy getting the ever-loving shit kicked out of him in the street, I'd keep walking & mind my own business.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)They use vegetarian sauce.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)will never willingly eat there again.
demmis19566ie
(29 posts)tastes absolutely awful
ThatsMyBarack
(7,641 posts)Initech
(100,088 posts)And he said "Papa John's is like eating the ass off a raccoon that drowned in your bird bath."
whistler162
(11,155 posts)how would Mr. Colbert know?
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)noamnety
(20,234 posts)or whatever it's called, where filthy rich CEOs are SHOCKED to find out their employees can't make ends meet on poverty level wages. Then they give a tiny fraction of their own earnings that's too small to measure to one or two employees and pat themselves on the back for being benevolent angels of mercy.
Getting rich off the backs of those he exploits, cluelessly believing he's a victim, and wondering why everyone isn't living like he is instead of choosing to be poor.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)fries people's brains here. I don't eat GROSS PIZZA. I have been making my own, including the sauce from scratch, for decades. My husband brought a few slices into work (Naples) and his coworkers were raving about it. They were literally STEALING it from the fridge if they saw it. Because of this, he "volunteered" me to make pizza for them (at cost). Thanks. Yes, I have made them pizza for their families, and office, and personal parties. I charge the SAME (ingredients and my time) as Papa John's, but if he put all the (unusual) toppings, and FRESH ingredients, on that I do, he would be charging $30 a pie, WITHOUT Obamacare. I wouldn't eat disgusting pizza and I wouldn't let my friends and coworkers eat it either.
Hear that, Poppa? I am taking BUSINESS away from you, but don't worry since I am a lazy, on the government dole (taxes pay my salary) I have no intention of opening a small pizza business in Naples, Florida. I just do it because I like cooking, don't want YOUR gross pizza, and want to please PEOPLE.
onethatcares
(16,177 posts)you can bet employees work there while they're sick
mn9driver
(4,427 posts)My son worked as a driver at the local outlet for about a year. They employed a couple dozen people between the drivers, cooks, counter people and assistant managers.
NONE of them were allowed to work anything close to full time hours. Not one. For drivers, they paid minimum wage plus $0.50 per delivery. My son finally figured out how little he was actually making considering his gas and the wear and tear on his junker car, and quit.
Papa John's has always abused, exploited and bullied its employees. By blaming Obamacare, they're just lying about why they do what they have always done.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,205 posts)Walmart has done it for a long time as well. They offer health insurance, but only to their full time employees who are mostly managers. Walmart is the number one employer for Medicaid and food stamp recipients. The US taxpayers are subsidizing Walmart by over $2 Billion every year. The same goes for any large employer that refuses to offer health insurance to their employees. Their employees' healthcare costs - through Medicaid, county clinics and using emergency rooms for primary care - are being born by you and I. In the case of Papa John's, he said he would have to raise the price on the pizzas by a whopping 14 cents each. I don't know about you, but I would be okay with that.
AnnaLee
(1,041 posts)and find a new friend in Universal Health Care?
UTUSN
(70,718 posts)The franchise holder's wife holds a political office and COINCIDENTALLY (I'm sure!1), the entity she's a member of contracts with her husband's francise to the tune of $80K/yr. One campaign, he was cited for ripping out the opponent's yard signs and scuffling over them.
samsingh
(17,599 posts)pasto76
(1,589 posts)not really awesome pizza, but I do love it. cant beat the price too
we have a NY style pizza place here now too which is quite good
meow2u3
(24,766 posts)I wouldn't be caught dead eating those sauce-coated frisbees. If I want pizza, I go the the local pizzeria which has much tastier pizza without the teabaggage.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,018 posts)Like you, I hope he loses every employee worth a damn.
The pizza chains compete under the same rules, but if Schnatter wants to compete by squeezing his employees, he is going to lose the best ones. In today's world, dumbing down your workforce is a competitive FAIL.
Get the word out to Papa John's employees.
marezdotes
(110 posts)My pizza's come from the freezer section in the grocery store of the local Mom & Pop pizzeria.
retread
(3,763 posts)guappo1
(53 posts)I have eaten a Papa Johns pizza once, not impressed with it. Now I have even a
better reason not to eat that shitting pizza. Always good to know.....
FreeBC
(403 posts)I may get blasted for this, but it seems to me that employers all over the country have worked within one system where they ignore their employees' lack of healthcare. Now that system will be changing and to deny this change or pretend that nothing will change for employers is to ignore reality.
Employers will do what they can do to lower costs. That's not just Papa John; That's all employers. We should be thanking Papa John because he openly stated what thousands of other employers are probably planning behind closed doors. Obamacare is the "law of the land" now. Papa John isn't campaigning against it, and if he is then he's too damn late.
Obamacare will be a massive change for this country. We can't just go off all unhinged every time someone suggest it may not be the perfect system. That would make us republicans... ewww. We are Democrats. We are pragmatic. We can honestly evaluate problems with the system and change it for the better.
Remember everyone: this is essentially a republican health plan. And republicans are horrible at these things. Obamacare is our foot in the door, but it's up to us to make it better, something worthy of being called a democratic party plan.
Flatulo
(5,005 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)eShirl
(18,495 posts)Walk away
(9,494 posts)Doesn't he just hire a bunch of exploited high school students anyway?
we can do it
(12,189 posts)SirRevolutionary
(579 posts)So let's teach him a lesson in Capitalism by boycotting his crap pizza! I started months ago when I heard him threaten about his 4 cents extra per pizza because of Obamacare.
Grammy23
(5,810 posts)was a big donor to the RNC and/or Romney. A full fledged Righty. So every time one of his commercials came on, I thought of that. To my knowledge I have never had a bite of Papa John's pizza and, knowing his politics, I have no intention of ever trying it. The crap he has pulled regarding providing Health Insurance for his poorly paid employees is just icing on that cake. No Papa John's for me if it turns out to be the last pizza joint on earth.
FieryLocks
(110 posts)This scum bag is a multi millionaire who gets huge tax breaks
and his business will get even more tax breaks through the
Affordable Care Act. These douche bag CEOs that are doing
this are republicans who just want to get back at Obama for
winning a second term. If people are being fired and laid off
for political reasons and can prove it they should all get
together and sue.
And small business owners doing this crap have no excuse
for it either other than the fact they too are being political
douche bags...
http://www.irs.gov/uac/Small-Business-Health-Care-Tax-Credit-for-Small-Employers
KatyMan
(4,206 posts)that the local Papa John's owners are responding to the complaints. I emailed mine this morning and have a reply from the owner of Houston Papa John's stating he doesn't know what is going on. So, everyone should use the link in the OP to file a complaint.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)that customers mistake for dried onions and peppers. It's become a regular tradition.
daveMN
(25 posts)Probably the worst pizza chain in the country...they just suck
FieryLocks
(110 posts)His net worth is $300 million...
http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-businessmen/ceos/john-schnatter-net-worth/
The richer they are the greedier they are and the bigger assholes they are.
peachpit24
(16 posts)I e=mailed Papa John's a couple months ago when he first said he would have to charge more for his pizzas beause of obamacare. I said I would never buy his pizzas again and a fella named Chris answered me back and whined about the extra cost for the company. I asked him if they raised the price in Massachusets because of Romney care in that state and he did not answer back.
what a lowlife.
c
mucifer
(23,557 posts)Democrats AND pizzas! (Ok some of our democrats are crazy and we only have them because we are pretty much a one party city. But, that's another thread).
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)staffed franchise. I didn't purchase a second pizza and don't need to. I found a popular shop where the owner is a nice guy who apparently treats his workers well. If the Papa John's shop vanishes, the owner of the popular shop has sown that he hires more people as he gets more business. I also know the the owner of the popular shop is a democrat.
People, look around your towns and cities. Find alternatives to business like Papa John's. Talk to the owners to get their views on issues like worker health care and pay. Don't do business with the assholes, buy from the people that are on the good side. Even those of you that have a local shop that you like and you find out that shop's owner is an asshole, look for shops that are run by men and women that respect working people.
One thing that yo should not worry about is whether workers at a Papa John's or and asshole McDonald's will find a job, they are likely being paid minimum wage and are being treated like shit. They will find better jobs with the good business owners that expand because of your business.
otohara
(24,135 posts)In the dough...yuck
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)athenasatanjesus
(859 posts)and to prove it I am going to hurt the economy while he is president by taking money away from my employees.
OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)or possibly any good chain restaurants at all.
But local! Support mom and pop establishments!!
Taking my dollars elsewhere now.
Thekaspervote
(32,783 posts)argiel1234
(390 posts)and Dominos pizza is bland ass old carpet with a stinging flavor or nettles cooked in moldy tomatoes
defacto7
(13,485 posts)texshelters
(1,979 posts)in Tucson. Yummy!
PTxS
RFKHumphreyObama
(15,164 posts)And I've never tried it in the US
And now I don't intend to
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)driven down a street that has a Papa John's on it. I used to avoid CITIES that had a Papa John's, but what with the rise in the price of gas, I had to give that up. I have, on occasion, detected a foul odor on the breeze that was so offensive it could only have come from Papa Johns.
I hope I qualify to be in the Papa John's Haters Club...
Flatulo
(5,005 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)That HAS to qualify you for the Papa John's Haters Club Hall of Fame.
City Lights
(25,171 posts)Never again will we buy anything from Papa John's!
oswaldactedalone
(3,491 posts)and your sorry ass pizza. I'm a Hungry Howie's man. Love that garlic herb crust.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Because of the "again".
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)Sacraligious and not real
But John Schnatter can go kiss my ass too
And I bet he don't give royalties to Papa John Phillips for stealing his name, does he?
Long live the Mama's and Papa's and up yours to Papa John Pizza
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)The Moron's headquarters. While they cannot hold a candle to NY's (native of NYC), they are still a hell of a lot better than any chain pizza.
Michigan Alum
(335 posts)I'm tempted to call them or send a letter to them.
Justpat
(3,567 posts)I don't consider it food.
TVet
(15 posts)Dont need 'em, dont want 'em.
ChazII
(6,205 posts)in those individual stores? They will be the first ones hurt, won't they. I understand the idea of the boycott but I am having trouble supporting it. BTW, I am a Pizza Hut fan.
ChazII
(6,205 posts)What happens to them when their store closes? Like I said in my previous post I am a Pizza Hut consumer but we do have a Papa Johns in my neighborhood.
gulliver
(13,186 posts)Just eat Papa John's pizza two or three times a week. It's the least you can do to show your support for John Schnatter's bravery.
RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)Once.
OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)ThatsMyBarack
(7,641 posts)Their overloaded pizza just looks nasty!
mnhtnbb
(31,397 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)jollyreaper2112
(1,941 posts)My favorite delivery pizza. I've given it up for health but now I have to give it up because the owner is an asshole.
Now when I 'za I do it at home with special ingredients.