Why the special treatment for George P Bush "secretly" serving in the navy? Is this a hoax?

[anobserver2]

I recall reading a number of times in years past that George P Bush (Jeb Bush's son who just filed papers to run for office in Texas),
was a member of the National Guard.

Now, suddenly, all these recently news articles have omitted that National Guard service, and instead claimed this Bush
served for six months in the Navy -- but under a "different name" for "security" reasons. Can someone explain this to me? Why the special
treatment? Or is this just a hoax so that he can claim military service without having served?
Just wondering.

"Bush also has Navy service on his resume, including a six-month deployment to Afghanistan, where, for security purposes, he was given a different name. Not even those he was serving alongside knew he was a Bush."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/09/george-p-bush-nephew-former-president-reportedly-makes-campaign-filing-in-texas/#ixzz2BowbaFLt

Although his WIkipedia bio does not state George P Bush ever underwent the required training to become an intelligence office, now, suddenly, on Yahoo news, he is also reportedly a former navy intelligence officer:

"He served as a Navy reservist in Afghanistan in 2011 as a naval intelligence officer."
http://news.yahoo.com/george-p-bush-face-young-republicans-192900417.html

Also interesting how he suddenly is using his mother's maiden name in his given name, to tout her Mexican roots.
Finally, I have to say I was amused reading a few threads on Free Republic about his announced run for office. It was not exactly greeted as good news to the majority of freepers on one of two threads about his filing for office.The freepers:

1) Questioned his right to ever run for president because of birth issues, claiming his mother was not an American citizen at the time of his birth so he is not eligible;
2) Criticizing his "Hispanic-American" hyphen GOP party he founded in Texas ("Why can't they just be Americans, without the hyphen?&quot ;
3) Not liking that he is another Bush (and, that he is not actually conservative);
4) Not liking his criminal record as a juvenile (I think charges were dropped, though he was arrested); and
5) Not liking that he is part of a dynasty.

It just seems to me there was no reason whatsoever for him to serve in the Navy under a "different" name -- if he served.

I think what his father and grandfather (GH Bush, Former CIA Director) long ago realized is that they can plant any false statement about anything in the American newspapers, watch it get repeated and republished for years to come, and people will then think it's true.

It would not surprise me in the least if George P Bush never served in the Navy at all, and it's just part of a false resume his father is creating for his son's political career.

What do you think?

[anobserver2]

1. the issue about his birth

The issue brought up by freepers about his mother was that in order to become a naturalized American citizen, one has to wait five years -- and George P Bush was born well before five years into the marriage (though I thought American citizenship was automatic if you marry an American).

So, she was actually not an American, and to be president you have to be born of American parents was their argument on this point.

[anobserver2]

4. Where is the Democratic fraud hotline for GOP frauds? Maybe DU is it.

I don't mean to rant on and on about this, but off the top of my head, I can think of three other total fakes
the Bushes have planted in public life, on the taxpayer dollar, who also have no records when records are required.

See, George P. never has to suffer any investigation in the future claiming no military records in the navy exist for him --
why? Because: He served "under a different name" for "security reasons."

There is always a bogus reason why no records exist.

This is such a commonly used tactic by the Bushes. I wish there was a Democratic hotline devoted to
reporting all the frauds placed in public office by the Bushes.

It's not just that such frauds steal public money in their salaries, or that they are actually unqualified which so irks me,
but that the existence of such frauds prevents others, who are qualified, from having those positions.

And, all the frauds I am thinking of were: men. So, women can't have those jobs, qualified women, because:
unqualified men with fake credentials are always filling up those positions.

It really annoys me. And it is truly such a serious problem to keep women down by propping up these frauds who are men. The Bushes do it over and over and over again.

[Mc Mike]

90. You're right about the 'commonly used tactic by the bushes', ao2.

Have you read Russ Baker's 'Family of Secrets'? There are several places where he talks about false trail 'official records' set up by the bushes, regarding Poppy's WWII 'service', his early CIA 'service', George & Bar's location during Kennedy's assassination, l'il Georgie's Viet era 'service', to name a few.

On the gender issue, millions of American men can't stand that family, and I'm on your side though I'm male. There are some high profile women enablers on the bush side, too. Please don't toss out all the boy babies with the bush bathwater, here.

Good o.p., by the way. Thanks.

[alcibiades_mystery]

8. That's absolute nonsense

If one of your parents is an American citizen, you are automatically an American citizen where ever you happen to be born, and whatever the nationality of the other parent.

His father is an American citizen. Therefore, he's an American citizen AT BIRTH, regardless of the location of his birth or the nationality of his mother.

[Bucky]

67. Birtherism is a two edged butter knife

Make that "a two edged ice cream scoop".

[tarheelsunc]

10. Was he born in the USA?

I can't find any information on his birth place. However, it doesn't really matter, he could still be a natural born citizen if:

The person's parents were married at the time of birth
One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person was born
The citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child's birth;
A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday.

Which are all true in his case.

And American citizenship takes years to acquire for a foreign spouse. If you're not a Bush, it takes months or years to even get the initial visa. My wife and I have been waiting for 5 months already and we have received absolutely no word relating to the application. Apparently Columba Bush did not become a citizen until 1987, some 13 years after their marriage, which is a fairly reasonable timeline.

[anobserver2]

12. Frankly re Columba Bush

Frankly I don't know anything for sure about her becoming an American citizen (though I agree with the other poster it's moot if George P was born in this country).

It now seems to me that the reason she was busted
at the Miami Airport for not claiming her jewelry purchases in France was because she was set up by her hubby so that
the newspaper could announce: "See, she has an AMERICAN PASSPORT." (That would bypass the whole issue of if and when and did she
ever become a naturalized citizen should anyone have any question -- remember she was busted and she had an American passport?)
It would not surprise me if my cynical imagination on this point was correct. How to announce Columba now has a fake passport? said GH Bush to Jeb Bush one day. I know, said Jeb, let me send her off to Europe to buy some jewelery and then bust her at the airport since she can barely speak and read English anyway - that will let the world know: COlumba has an American passport.

Something like that is what I think could have happened. It's funny; I know. But the Bushes are so corrupt and frankly, so weird.

[unc70]

79. Citizen, but not natural born

Natural born requires birth in the country. All other methods defined by law are just for citizen.

[Nye Bevan]

89. "Natural born requires birth in the country".

Got a link for that?

[unc70]

91. Here are a couple of links

This should give you a good summary of the natural born issue. Simplified, it is that born in the USA is the constitutionally specified way to become a citizen, a natural born citizen (before and after 14th amendment). Every other way if becoming a citizen flows from the power granted to Congress to created uniform rules for naturalization. Among these rules are those regarding children of most citizens.


http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/scotus-natural-born-citizen-a-compendium.html


http://books.google.com/books?id=x4MYAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA770&lpg=PA770&dq=constitution+citizen+states+ratification+free+people+of+color&source=bl&ots=5UsMaIj28w&sig=50epc5mj5aj1tOwPKvzo9WRQ3Ek&hl=en&sa=X&ei=k1YWT_fYAZSDtgfUopjmAg&ved=0CEQQ6AEwBQ

[WinkyDink]

26. The Constitution says nothing about parents.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

55. Which is, of course bullshit

The part about having to be born of American citizen parents in order to be President, that is.

[anobserver2]

2. I guess no reason exists for serving "secretly"

Well, I will take a wild guess that this is no rationale for George P Bush, a private citizen and unrelated to the First Family,
to have "served secretly" under "a different name" in the navy.

I will also guess it is just a hoax, another fake news story planted in the press by the Bushes.

They are very good at planting fake military service stories in the press, I have come to believe.
Here is another example of a person with fake military service, and I believe that GH Bush and his son Jeb were
responsible for this fake's bogus "Navy Seal" background:

http://wtaw.com/2010/11/10/former-am-adminstrator-fined-for-lying/



Home » News » Former A&M Adminstrator Fined for Lying
Former A&M Adminstrator Fined for Lying
Posted by Bill Oliver News Wednesday, November 10th, 2010

Former A&M Sr. VP of Administration Alexander Kemos

A former top administrator at Texas A&M University was back in town to make a court appearance.

50 year old Alexander Kemos, who moved to Maine [from Kennebunkport, Maine] according to court records, pleaded guilty to lying on his resume.

County Court at Law Judge Amanda Matzke ordered Kemos to pay a $2,000 dollar fine, the maximum for the misdemeanor offense.

Kemos also faced up to six months in jail but no time was ordered by the judge.

The former Senior Vice President of Administration was convicted of claiming to hold graduate degrees he didn’t have and being a member of the Navy’s SEAL program when he wasn’t.
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I think Alex Kemos was at TAMU because he was being groomed by that school, which has GH BUsh's Presidential Library, to be Jeb Bush's vp running mate. However, that plan was shattered when an actual newspaper did its job and decided to check and see if Alex Kemos was actually a Navy Seal, as he had claimed in his resume published all over the campus in press releases. Kemos was not a Navy Seal. He lied. He also did not have the two degrees he claimed to have, the Masters and Phd from Tufts. He lied again.

$300,000 a year salary for him, in taxpayer money, spent on this guy's lies.

But, had it succeeded, Jeb Bush would have probably claimed: "Lookie here! My running mate has ADVANCED degrees AND is a former Navy Seal!"

I really think that was the plan. But it was busted.

Who will bust Geroge P Bush? Is there a newspaper out there that can cite some special policy the US Navy has to allow private citizens to serve under a "different name" or to become a naval intelligence officer without bothering to obtain the required training for such?

Just wondering.

[anobserver2]

3. MN not Maine

Actually, the article posted above in my reply said he moved to a different state now; Kemos had been living in Kennebunkport, Maine - right near GH Bush! (What a coincidence!)

[anobserver2]

6. a Democratic swat team to get rid of fakes in public life

I meant to post my reply #4 here. I will just end my rant by saying this:

I really wish the Democratic Party leaders who are interested in winning elections would understand
there are counties in this country that are like a police state, including in Florida, where the Democrats
can not even do anything about the frauds in public life holding power because the one newspaper is
practically owned by the Bushes and the law enforcement is controlled by the Bushes. You open your mouth
or try to and you WILL be arrested falsely on a trumped up charge. That is the fear that grips some communities
in this very country under a Democratic president.

And who holds the power in such a community? The frauds handpicked by the Bushes. These frauds claim on
their campaign website they have a "Masters" degree but they can't name the college or major or year or anything else
remotely connected to such a degree.

And the people who are rank and file Republican voters do indeed hate this fraud, too. Ask anyone who lives
in Naples, Florida if they have ever seen any specific information about Fred Coyle, the forever chair of the Collier
COunty Commission, and they have not.

But ask all the voters if Fred COyle has a Masgters degree and they will nod thewir heads and tell you yes because:
it is in the newspaper that he has one. It was on his campaign website that he has one. It is always a part of
the public discourse through those avenues, but never part of the public record IN FACT. It is never produced and
never specifically proved whatsoever.

You can claim you have a Phd down there in Collier County, and stick that on your campaighn website, county bio page,
and everywhere else, and so long as you are approved by the GOP and the Bushes, it is A-OK to be a fraud. The one local
newspaper will be happy to publish article after article about your fake degree.

But ask the person claiming the fake degree to produce it, or anything about it, and -- all quiet on the Western Front.

It is just pathetic. Disgusting. I hate it. How can qualified women or qualified people ever succeed when the wall of fraud just won't come down?

[UTUSN]

5. R#3 & K for, I have the same question abt the military. But he was born in the U.S. (supposedly TX)

The Wiki or somewhere says he joined the Reserve sometime, but aside from the alleged six months' in Afghanistan, there is no mention about monthly meetings or pics of him in a uniform. The royalty treatment of an assumed name is repellant. If he was so sincere about supposedly serving, he should have the guts to do it period. As for supposedly being an "intelligence officer," why does that strike me (in his case) as sitting behind a desk in totally secure surroundings leafing through papers (or scrolling).

But as for the mother's citizenship status, isn't that moot if HE was BORN in the U.S.? That is, if Texas is considered U.S.!1

[anobserver2]

7. Yeah. I am guessing he was born in the USA, too

But who knows.

[alcibiades_mystery]

9. It's moot either way: he is perfectly qualified to be President because he is an American citizen

at birth regardless of his mother's nationality.

There is no difference in status today between

1) A child born in Mongolia to an American citizen and a Mongolian citizen, provided the American citizen applies for "American citizen born abroad" status through the US State Department

AND

2) A child born on the National Mall on the 4th of July to two US citizens who can trace their roots back to the Mayflower.

There is absolutely NO DIFFERENCE in citizenship status between those two children. They are both American citizens at birth under current statute, and both meet the requirements for President.

Anyone who tells you different is either ignorant, or a liar.

[anobserver2]

11. But he is not "qualified" to lie about military service if that's what he is doing

What do you say to the issue of a lie about military service if it is a lie? Is that allowed, too? Because I don't know of any
policy in the Navy or any other branch of the military that saus you can bypass the existence of your record of military service
by claiming to have served under a "different name" due to "security reasons." Do you have any answer to that question? Seriously.
Because I don't ever want a liar about military service as commander in chief.

[glacierbay]

14. He's not lying about his military service

he served as an intelligence officer with the US SOC, the reason for the fake name was for security purposes due to his last name.
Much like Prince Harry when he served a tour in Afghanistan, the Taliban would love to get their hands on him or kill him.

Military service

On March 21, 2007 the United States Navy Reserve announced the selection of Bush for training as an intelligence officer. Once commissioned as an Ensign for eight years of reserve service, he was expected to attend direct commission officer training, and then undergo a year of intelligence training, initially assigned to duty near his home. Bush told The Politico that attending the October 2006 launch of the aircraft carrier named for his grandfather—the USS George H.W. Bush—inspired him to join the service. He also called the death of Pat Tillman, the NFL player and Army Ranger who was killed in a friendly fire incident in Afghanistan in 2004, "a wake-up call". When asked to comment, Bush's senior assistant, Kyle Hoskinson, stated: "the Pat Tillman case is one of the saddest in U.S. Army history."[15][16] Bush served in the War in Afghanistan for six months under the United States Special Operations Command and returned to the United States in 2011.[17][18] During that deployment, he was given a different name for security purposes. Not even those he was serving alongside knew his real identity.[10]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_P._Bush

[anobserver2]

17. Where's the year of training for the job?

I read that but I don't see anything in there that says he spent a year, on such and such date, training to become a Naval INtelligence Officer. It sounds like he was qualified but never went through with the training.

[glacierbay]

20. They probably just didn't think that

they needed to list it, and why would they? I don't get what you're trying to prove here, that he somehow skipped his year of Intelligence training and went to Afghanistan w/o knowing how to collect and analyze data?
The military doesn't do that, especially with intelligence gathering.
I'm quite confident that he did his year of Intelligence school and no one's lying about it.

BTW, how do you get to be qualified w/o going through the training?

[hack89]

51. There were three years between his joining and going overseas

I doubt he was merely sitting on his ass that entire time.

[Horse with no Name]

27. wiki not a reliable source n/t

[glacierbay]

31. Will this do?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2009/10/25/george-ps-battle-plan.html

[Horse with no Name]

43. I am absolutely positive that there isn't a Bush out there

that would do anything patriotic or for the love of country.
Even the spawn of Jeb.

I still don't believe he served in Afghanistan.

I believe his resume is being padded so that he can take his turn at destroying the country.

[glacierbay]

46. Hey don't believe it

I could care less.
BTW, George H W Bush served in WWII honorably

George H.W. Bush: Early Life and Military Service

George Herbert Walker Bush was born on June 12, 1924, in Milton, Massachusetts, to Dorothy Walker Bush (1901-92) and Prescott Bush (1895-1972), a banker who went on to represent Connecticut in the U.S. Senate from 1952 to 1963. The younger Bush was raised in Greenwich, Connecticut, and graduated from Phillips Academy in Andover, Massachusetts, in 1942.

After graduation, Bush joined the U.S. Naval Reserve to fight in World War II (1939-45), which America had entered in December 1941. When he received his wings shortly before his 19th birthday, Bush was the nation’s youngest commissioned pilot at the time. He flew 58 combat missions during the war, and received the Distinguished Flying Cross for bravery after his torpedo plane was shot down by the Japanese in the vicinity of the Bonin Islands in the Pacific on September 2, 1944. During that incident, Bush’s plane was hit and set on fire but he continued toward his target, a radio station, and successfully bombed it before parachuting out of his plane. He later was rescued from the water by an American submarine.

GW Bush was a flake and he avoided the Vietnam war which in my book, made him unfit to be pres.

[OldDem2012]

41. There are plenty of other sources referencing the fact that George P. Bush....

....was an intelligence officer in Afghanistan.

Wiki may not be a reliable source but the footnotes can be if checked for accuracy.

[glacierbay]

42. I tend to believe the story because

it would be just too easy to disprove it and it would ruin his chances of a pol. career.

[anobserver2]

74. What policy in the navy allows private citizens to serve under a different name?

I would just like to know what policy exists in the US Navy that allows a private citizen
to serve under a "different" name for "security" reasons when: that private citizen has
NO relation to the actual First Family in office in this country.

Did the Bushes register as "American Royalty"
somewhere in the "American Royalty Register" to obtain this option of "serving" under a different name?

Or do we in this country actually have no such Royalty Register?

Because hey - maybe I should stick "US Navy" on my resume, too, and [falsely] claim I served under a "different" name due to
"security" reasons because my last name is: Nixon, or Regan, or Goldwater, or whatever.

I honestly think the bigger the lie, the easier the Bushes believe it will be to get away with it, and this "news" story comes
under that heading.


It sounds to me like the Bushes really wanted to put out a story called: AFTER WHAT WE WENT THROUGH WITH GW's MILITARY RECORDS, HEY US PRESS:
DO NOT CHECK GEORGE P's MILITARY RECORDS EVER!

And this is how it came out,
with him serving under a "different" name.

I wrote to the US Navy and I hope they will reply. Nowhere is the US Navy quoted as confirming the story being published in the news media
that he served under a "different" name, that he was an intelligence officer and that he completed the training prior to being an intelligence officer.

And, as I mentioned in my previous posts, the list goes on and on in terms of how many FRAUDS the Bushes have placed in public office. Yes, on and on and on. No actual degrees, no "Navy Seal" etc etc A bunch of frauds control this country when the Bushes are involved, and that makes it impossible for people with integrity to contribute.

If George P Bush is just another fraud get rid of him now.

[anobserver2]

75. Here's another Bush plant / Bush fraud

Here's another Bush plant who collected a cool million dollars from duped taxpayers:

He is a stupidintendent, or rather, was a stupidientendent of a FLorida public school district for
three years, before his first possible "renewal" of contract, at which time: a new majority school board
ousted him after I made more than a dozen blogs. and filed a civil suit on Sunshine Violations, showing this
jerk stupidintendent wasn't just your average jerk stupidintendent; he also had nothing - nada - nothing -
in his personnel file.

Not having anything in his personnel file -- which is a public record in FLorida - means
he is in violation of both district policy (which requires those documents) and state law (which requires those
documents to be disclosed).

Here's what he didn't have and was never able to show taxpayers who were defrauded out of a million dollars in salary paid to
this jerk: his allegedly existing "four" college degrees' official transcripts, his signed sworn application, along with written recommendations
and a resume. All of this was required; none of it existed.

What existed instead was a bogus article published by the Naples Daily Ruse, I mean, Naples Daily News,
claiming he had an old personnel file still on file, back from when he applied but didn't get the job.

But in fact he had NOTHING on file at the school district. (The HR Director was a fraud too and was ousted as well.)

This IS the modus operendi for the Bushes: get your frauds into the HR position, take over the top position, and plant
the fake news story.

Here's the fake news story about the fraud in the above You Tube video who says DUh, he has no application on file.
(But the Naples Daily New scolunist hosting that show chimes in and implies the stupidintendent has an old personnel file on file,
when in fact there is none and this stupidintendent never before worked for the district.)


Dennis Thompson: What does superintendent candidate stand for ...
www.naplesnews.com/news/.../dennis_thompson_what_does_superin...
Aug 11, 2007 – So the newspaper obtained Thompson's 2002 superintendent application as well as videos ... Dennis Thompson: What does superintendent candidate stand for? ...... Shelling in the Ten Thousand Islands Marco/Naples area ...

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2007/aug/11/dennis_thompson_what_does_superintendent_candidate/

Planting fake news stories in the press is what GH Bush must have done a lot of as CIA director, and he still does it, only in this country.

The new school board majority, by the way, c ited the "dark cloud" over the stupidintendent as the reason this jerk's contract was not renewed,
among other reasons. "Dark cloud" means: NO SUNSHINE.

And of course the Naples Daily News couldn't even report this news because they had already lied to the public that an old application
was still hanging around the school district offices somewhere. So they had to instead report another lie as the reason this jerk superintendent
was not renewed.

It goes on and on and on.


IN the bogus news article here's what the Bushes were saying: See, this stupidintendent is "not available" for an interview; and, thus, the
perfect opportunity now exists to serve notice on the whole community that yes indeedy, this jerk (who may be a high school drop out) has
"four" college degrees AND military experience, so: don't bother going to the school district to ask for his personnel file yourself under the state
Sunshine law. (Good thing he wasn't "available" for this newspaper interview; otherwise he would have to tell you these lies himself in this newspaper article!)

Instead, it took a year to get him telling his bogus background to the community himself. Bogus because: there was never, ever an official
college transcript or official anything on file for this jerk in the school district.

Hey, everyone out there who is unemployed and can't get a job: just make friends with the Bushes, and you, too, can get yourself a $250,000 per year
stupidintendent job in a public school district in Florida or Illinois or anywhere else you want to work. You don't need no stupid college degree or official
college transcript or official sworn application or nutin'! Just lie your head off and collect the taxpayer dollars! Sound good? YOu CAN DO IT, TOO! JUST LIKE DENNIS THOMPSON, ALEX KEMOS, AND A WHOLE LIST OF BUSH FRAUDS IN PUBLIC OFFICE STEALING MONEY FROM TAXPAYERS!!!!
You don't need no college! You don't need no military experience! And, especially, you don't need no stinkin official evidence of ANY qualifications!

[anobserver2]

78. To google the above video on you tube...

If you want to google the above video on you tube, use this in the google search:

Dr. Thompson do you have a job application on file and YouTube

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I'm sorry to be screaming my head off about this matter, but I just get so tired of this crap. GH BUsh and his son Jeb Bush and now, perhaps George P Bush, just think they can lie, lie and lie some more, with complete impunity. There is no Rule of Law with these people. None. They own the courts, too,
when you file a Sunshine Law violation claim. It is disgusting. It is not America. I am fed up with their crap. Jeb Bush should be in jail along with his father, IMO, just for the crap they did in this one school district - along with the crap they did at TAMU. Always to harm teachers, and always to harm students. And always with their CIA tactics of false news article planted in the American press and bullying their frauds into jobs to do more political harm down the road. I am sick of it. Fed up.

Thank you for letting me rant about this. It just makes me sick and I have seen it over and over and over and over again.

[Mc Mike]

73. I respectfully disagree, gb,

with a lot of your assessments on the thread. But regarding little George P., it's just my opinion, so I can't really get mad. And you're polite while sticking to your guns.

One thing that struck me was the comparison of a l'il bush to a Brit royal prince in the line of succession. That is dead on. That family is related to the Brit Hanovrian royals, and think they are American royalty, they were 'put here to rule Americans'.

There are a ton of good posts in archives here from a post-er named Octafish, mostly along the BFEE (bush Family Evil Empire) lines. His/Her stuff is well-documented. That whole family constantly pulls treasonous and scurrilous moves against the nation, to benefit themselves, because they think they're American Royalty, effectively they think they're America.

But they're really just a canker sore -- composed of Oil/Energy, Banking, Intel, and Fascism -- on our nation's body politic.

There is no reason why l'il George P. wouldn't be true to form and follow in the footsteps of his great-granddad Prescott, who laundered money for the Nazis during WWII at his Union Bank (that name will sound familiar if you look at Union Bank of Switzerland and UBS Warburg). Prescott was very closely connected to the OSS's Allen Dulles while Dulles ran our war time European intel efforts from Switzerland, while Switzerland legally did business and banking for the Nazis. Dulles moonlighted at the same time as a law partner in Sullivan & Cromwell, whose firm did the legal work for the J. Henry Schroder Banking Corporation. They were caught hiding the nazi corporation I.G. Farben's ownership of an American chemical company (General Aniline) during WWII. Farben was the big corporate backer, of Hitler's nazis, who managed to turn a profit on extermination camps through its sale of the zyklon-b gas that was used to kill millions in the death camps. Both Union Bank and General Aniline were siezed by our war time government.

Before WWII, the rightist repugs were openly in favor of Hitler and cut deals with him. They held enough power in our country to openly advocate for him, and stall us from entering the war against him. Their inclusion in our country's executive / legislative / enforcement / intel / power structure was the reason why an author like Dalton Trumbo could be black-listed for being 'prematurely antifascist', when Trumbo blew the whistle to the feds that the American Bund was trying to get a new edition of 'Johnny Got His Gun' published, to use anti war sentiment to help keep America from fighting Hitler.

During WWII, rightist repugs were part of our power structure, and kept getting caught backing Hitler and making money with him.

After WWII, OSS repugs like Prescott and Dulles were instrumental in setting up the CIA. So now up pops a new generation of bush, replete with intel connections and 'we can't tell you how much he helps America, for security reasons' statements. We get 'limited hang-out' style publicity statements about how wonderful he is, we just can't see the record, 'for security purposes'.

And the icing on the cake is another bush is using poor Pat Tillman to advance their disgusting political agenda. The bush family is frankly treasonous and every move they make could gag a maggot.

[UTUSN]

13. I wasn't arguing otherwise, but I would quibble about his being "perfectly" qualified.

My preference would be "technically" (qualified).

[alcibiades_mystery]

15. Fair enough

He meets the technical requirements would probably be the better way to say it.

[hughee99]

16. Are we really starting up with this horseshit already? n/t

[anobserver2]

18. And that's probably why the media says nothing

The media says Uh Oh, we better not ask any questions about this.

But, I would like to know: Did he complete or enter or do a year of required training? If so, when?

Does the Navy under President Obama agree George P Bush was in the nay under a different name for security reasons?

I would think it does not take much for someone to ask the Navy these questions.

And it IS good to ask these questions now, and not later.

Thank you for your thoughtful response.

[hughee99]

45. Maybe the media hasn't said anything yet, because he hasn't run for ANYTHING yet.

I'm glad to see Dems beginning to cultivate their own version of "birthers" too.

[anobserver2]

19. BTW, how's this Navy Seal fraud for horsewhatever?

This guy was collecting $300K at a public university claiming to be a Navy Seal - and mentoring Navy Seals.
Have a son who is training at TAMU to be a Navy Seal and had this guy as a mentor? Wonder why your son couldn't get a letter of recommendation out of his mentor? Because his mentor was a fraud, that's why. How's that for "hosrsesh*t. - in short, sh*t DOES happen.


http://wtaw.com/2010/11/10/former-am-adminstrator-fined-for-lying/



Home » News » Former A&M Adminstrator Fined for Lying
Former A&M Adminstrator Fined for Lying
Posted by Bill Oliver News Wednesday, November 10th, 2010

Former A&M Sr. VP of Administration Alexander Kemos

A former top administrator at Texas A&M University was back in town to make a court appearance.

50 year old Alexander Kemos, who moved to Minnesota according to court records, pleaded guilty to lying on his resume.

County Court at Law Judge Amanda Matzke ordered Kemos to pay a $2,000 dollar fine, the maximum for the misdemeanor offense.

Kemos also faced up to six months in jail but no time was ordered by the judge.

The former Senior Vice President of Administration was convicted of claiming to hold graduate degrees he didn’t have and being a member of the Navy’s SEAL program when he wasn’t.
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[anobserver2]

22. And it would not take much for the news media to ask the Navy

All the media had to do was include a statement from a named and identified Navy Official saying Y"es, George P bush completed the required training and served under a different name." That would have confirmed what George P Bush's FOX news article claimed.

But there was no official word mentioned in any of these articles.

In the case of fraud Navy Seal Alex Kemos, the military was contacted for military records on this fake Navy Seal, after KEmos gave his real Navy Seal students a long list of excuses why he, Kemos, could not sign letters of recommendation for them (which would be read by real Navy Seals) - Kemos was going on a "secret" mission, blah, blah, blah. The military official said that is bunch of "Hollywood nonsense" and that records always exist to confirm military service, is what The Eagle, which won all kinds of reporting awards for the Amex Kemos story, stated.

So, where is the Navy official in the media, confirming this "secret" military service? I would like to know. It is a valid question.

[glacierbay]

25. Are you one of these Truthers?

Do you really think that G.P. Bush would lie about something that is so easily checked and ruin any chance at politics?
Don't you think that if he had lied, it would already be all over the news?

[Generic Other]

21. Show us the DD 214

Or prepare to be called a liar and fraud.

[glacierbay]

23. Ummmmmm

he doesn't get his DD214 until he's discharged from the military.

[Horse with no Name]

37. he is a phony and a fraud just like the rest of them

This made up bullshit is exactly that...bullshit.

[glacierbay]

39. What ever dude

you can't prove it just like I can't prove it. I tend to believe it because it would be too easy to prove that he didn't serve.

[Horse with no Name]

44. For some reason

You appear to REALLY want this to be true,lol.

[glacierbay]

47. I could care less if it's true or not

but for some reason, you seem to think it's a lie w/o any proof, so if you have the proof, then post it and I will apologize.

[kestrel91316]

53. How do you know a Bush is lying? His/her lips are moving.

[glacierbay]

54. I think it's been proven

that he did join the Navy Reserves in 2007 and he did serve a 6 mo. stint in Afghanistan. Other than that, I pretty much agree.

[DevonRex]

70. Wonder why that is.

I've noted the name before.

[glacierbay]

72. Yeah

so what? So you've noted my name before, BFD.

[treestar]

63. Yes

Look at how Mitt doubled down. They knew the media would not emphasize it. They blatantly keep up the lie. Low info voters continue to believe it n

[glacierbay]

64. So you're saying that he didn't serve?

Despite numerous news articles?

[hack89]

49. There are news accounts from 2007 when he joined the reserves.

I posted a couple down thread.

[Horse with no Name]

24. Ridiculous. Sounds made up

There are many families with the surname Bush so one wouldn't have to change a name.

[glacierbay]

28. Not necessarily

It was done to keep the Taliban from finding out that a Bush family member was serving in Afghanistan, he would be a prime target for them, much like Prince Harry was.

[Horse with no Name]

34. Still say bullshit

Prince Harry served with his own name...and title so unless Bush had a title that would make his easy to point out, he was just as safe as any other deployed soldier.

[glacierbay]

36. You'll have to ask the military why.

I wouldn't know.

[Horse with no Name]

38. IT is a bullshit story with a bullshit premise

and I HIGHLY doubt it could be authenticated by the military.

[glacierbay]

40. You don't know whether or not it's bullshit

it's just your opinion.

[atreides1]

80. Question

Beau Biden was deployed to Iraq while his father was running for Vice President...and was still there after the Obama/Biden win...and he was deployed under his own name.

Now why would the US Navy go through all the trouble of giving little Georgie a false name, while the US Army didn't do the sane thing for the son of a sitting Vice President?

It's just curious, that's all.

[treestar]

62. Right

Every Bush would need a new name. The Taliban might not know if one was related or not

[Aristus]

29. Birtherism transplanted on to a Republican.

This should be an amusing four years...

[tabasco]

30. So he got a cushy HQ job, sitting in a secure compound looking over maps.

No doubt all set up with the assistance of the state national guard commander.

These "intelligence officers" are HQ toads but always try to make themselves seem like secret agents or something.

[Auntie Bush]

32. I aree with your last sentence.

"It would not surprise me in the least if George P Bush never served in the Navy at all, and it's just part of a false resume his father is creating for his son's political career."

Shades of GWB and his false NG stint....again.

[Horse with no Name]

35. Yep. Exactly.

Everything the republicons do is made up or lied about.

[clydefrand]

33. SO, WHERE DO YOU THINK romney LEARNED TO LIE SO MUCH,

was it from his father, a known lier, or did he learn it from the Bush family, or, was it that the Bush's got away with so many lies that it only RE-ENFORCED his belief that he got from his father, and his religion, that it is OK to lie if it serves A GREATER GOOD!

[hack89]

48. It is not a secret that he joined the reserves in 2007

George P. Bush, a nephew of President Bush who was a hit on the campaign trail, has been accepted in the Navy Reserve as an intelligence officer and has begun the process of being commissioned for eight years of service.

Bush, 30, said in a telephone interview from his office at a real estate development firm in Fort Worth, Texas, that he was moved to join the service in part when he attended the rainy commissioning in October of the aircraft carrier named for his grandfather -- the USS George H.W. Bush.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0307/3251.html

George P. Bush, son of former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, has joined the Naval Reserve with the intent of becoming a naval intelligence officer.

He and the other members of the Class of 2007 will be sworn in this year, Lt. Cmdr. Bill Schroeder of the Navy Reserve Intelligence Command in Fort Worth said Wednesday. They will go through a two-week officer indoctrination school, a year of Navy basic intelligence training and be assigned to Navy reserve intelligence units close to their homes.

http://archive.redstate.com/stories/culture/george_p_bush_joins_the_naval_reserve

[glacierbay]

50. Thanks

I think that pretty much puts to rest those that are saying that his military service is bullshit lie.

[hack89]

52. There is something about the Bush name that brings out the stupid

in many here.

[lalalu]

56. Supposedly there are a lot of secrets about this guy.

He was rushed from Florida to Texas and married off to squash a lot of rumors. The story is that his storyline is similar to James McGreevey and they are building him a whole new life. Time will tell.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

58. I can see why he would have served overseas under a different name

It's not just an issue of his security, it's an issue of security for those that were serving with him. Being related to the POTUS or recently ex-POTUS would have put a target on him and all those around him while deployed.

Same reason that Prince Harry served under a psuedonym until he was outed and pulled out of the country.

[Blue Meany]

59. The *navy* in Afghanistan? What's wrong with this picture?

It's a land-locked country.

[glacierbay]

60. You have Navy Seabees

which is the construction arm of the Navy, Navy corpsman serving with the Marines, Navy helicopter pilots. Navy EOD units.
The Navy isn't just about ships.

[anobserver2]

61. I wrote to the US Navy and asked them about this

Here is what their site said after I submitted my question:

http://www.navy.mil/submit/contactAction.asp

NAVY.MIL CONTACT US

Thank you for your input! Your question/comment has been forwarded to the appropriate Navy organization for review and action. If you provided an email address you will receive a response within a few days.

-----------------------

Here is what I wrote on their contact form on their site:

Dear US Navy:

I recently read a news report from FOX News that said George P Bush served in the navy for six months under another person's name due to "security" reasons. I would like to know from the navy, since no navy official was quoted in this article:

1) Can you, the US Navy, confirm George P Bush served in the navy under another person's name for "security" reasons as stated in this FOX News article linked below?

2) Can you, the US Navy, confirm the Yahoo news article linked below, stating George P Bush served in the position of "intelligence officer" and that he completed the required training before doing so?
:
Thank you in advance. I will be posting your answer on a web site currently discussing these two news articles from FOX and Yahoo:

"Bush also has Navy service on his resume, including a six-month deployment to Afghanistan, where, for security purposes, he was given a different name. Not even those he was serving alongside knew he was a Bush."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/09/george-p-bush-nephew-former-president-reportedly-makes-campaign-filing-in-texas/#ixzz2BowbaFLt

"He served as a Navy reservist in Afghanistan in 2011 as a naval intelligence officer."

http://news.yahoo.com/george-p-bush-face-young-republicans-192900417.html

[Marrah_G]

68. The navy does do more then just ocean deployments.

http://www.med.navy.mil/sites/pcola/PublicAffairsOffice/Items%20of%20Interest/Navy%20plays%20Important%20Role%20in%20Deployments.htm

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/terrorism/a/deploymentrates.htm\

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Navy_Customs - My brother was the commander of one of these.

[Marrah_G]

66. The Navy does more then just ocean deployments.

My brother led a naval reserve group from the east coast for a year in Iraq doing customs on the ground.

[hack89]

71. ISAF Joint Command runs the war. Joint = all services

Naval forces do the following things in Afghanistan:

EOD, special forces, civil engineering (Seabees), strike (naval air), surveillance (P3s spend more time over land then sea now days)

They are supported by Navy officers on the Joint staff.

[Marrah_G]

65. I think it will be pretty easy to find out if he served and where he served

The people who he served with would know his face even if they didn't know his name.

Also, quite frankly, if he did serve in the middle east I can absolutely understand why his name was hidden. Had everyone known who he was it would have endangered both himself and his unit.

I'm taking a wait and see attitude as to what the truth is.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

69. He'll probably whip out dental records to show he served like the Chimp did

to prove a military dentist drilled a tooth and Republicans will collapse to the ground in awe as though it's the Congressional Medal Of Honor.

[Iggo]

76. I think I don't care.

[anobserver2]

82. With a fraud in charge: parents of a murdered teen can not get a diploma

It's easy not to care in this situation of frauds in charge, until something terrible happens to you.

What if you were the parent of a murdered teen, and your grief is then heightened by a fraud superintendent
who refuses to issue the diploma because of his alleged concerns about the "integrity" of the diploma? (In reality, the fraud superintendent
knows he himself is a fraud, and does not want to issue this bogus document with his signature in this situation.)

What if that happened?

Here's what happened when the no-official-diploma exists in personnel file for a stupidintendentworked in IL who later worked in FL: a murdered teen's mother could not get a high school diploma posthumously issued after the school board voted that the student completed all requirements for a diploma.

http://www.willsworld.com/rockford_area.htm


...the Rockford Superintendent has missed a teachable moment for all under his care in that school system and the larger community. He could have chosen to make this a "no-brainer" decision, just weeks after the Virginia Tech tragedy set the national tone for how to respond to awful events that rip into human lives, quickly, compassionately, and generously. He could have taken the high road. He could have been seen as a role model to all the students and community members, leading a wounded community into a unified drawing closer together to hang tight to each other during a most difficult time.

Instead he has chosen to fight a loyal employee of his district, the boy's grieving mother. He has chosen to fight victim advocates. He has chosen to fight his own school board. And it is clear that he has made not only a hurtful decision that has made a bad situation much worse, but he has also made a huge public relations blunder.

And no matter what the concerns are with the facts of the murder that have prompted Dr. Thompson's reticence, these are the facts as we know them now:

1. There is a dead young man who was about to reach the milestone of his life...

When frauds are in charge, YOUR property rights no other exist due to fraud. The students at TAMU could not get their recommendation letters from their Navy Seal mentor, because the mentor at TAMU turned out to be a fraud Navy Seal; the grieving mother in IL can not obtain the high school diploma for her murdered teen son because of what reason? I will guess it's because the fraud stupidintendent did not want to sign what would be a fake document if indeed he himself is a fraud. And on and on. People lost property because of frauds. People lose property under color of law and are deprived of due process by frauds. Frauds in public life are in fact extremely dangerous for this and other reasons.

I appreciate your candid response: you don't think you care. Maybe someday if you are dealing with a fraud who deprives you of property while pretending to have legal authority when no such authority exists, you will better understand why others do care when a fraud is in a public office.

By the way, the Canadians and others in other countries see this very differently than the "I don't care" view of Americans. It is a crime, and a serious crime, to be a fraud in public life.

[Iggo]

83. The fuck?

[AndyA]

77. No more Bushes "serving" America politically!

The Bush Crime Family has already done enough damage:

http://www.sonic.net/~taryfast/destruction.html

I haven't verified that all of the accusations on that page are correct, but I know that many of them are, and don't doubt there's truth in the rest.

Members of this family should be in jail, not in state legislatures and certainly not in the White House!

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

81. He'll have to change either the "George" or the "Bush" part of his name.

If he wants to eventually try at the Presidency.

[anobserver2]

84. No Navy Military Record of service due to "different" name -- and also: NO WITNESSES

I was thinking more about this thread today and I realized: in addition to no RECORD of any Navy service
existing for a "George P Bush" due to the reported "different" name situation, there's another benefit
for the Bushes: NO WITNESSES!

You can't interview any former navy pals of George P Bush on his alleged deployment to an active war zone,
because: Hey! As George P. himself said in a published interview I read, no one knew it was him!

So: NO WRITTEN RECORD, along WITH: the ADDED benefit of NO WITNESSES!

This is just so typical. NO evidence ever is allowed to be examined when Bushes are involved.

I read some other interesting info today, too. I will post in another reply.

[anobserver2]

85. "Sailor Steve's" take on why George P Bush did not enlist as a lawyer: Might have led to active duty

I don't know who is "Sailor Steve" but I thought this blog was somewhat interesting in terms of
a question I had, too, which is this:

George P. Bush is a lawyer. so why didn't he enlist in the military as a lawyer?

http://isteve.blogspot.com/2007/06/george-p-bush-joins-naval-reserve.html

According to Sailor Steve, that means George P Bush would have been an Army "JAG"
and thus: subject to potential actual real deployment to a war zone. And would have required infantry training:

What's curious is that George P. Bush is an attorney, so the best use of his skills in the reserves would be as an Army National Guard (or Army Reserve) JAG )Judge Advocate General) officer-- the Army is the only service that lets lawyers serve as JAG officers without already having served active duty. But the Army has a disconcerting habit of sending its reservists to Iraq and, after Jessica Lynch's captain screwed up a convoy and got people killed, the Army has required every officer (excluding chaplains and doctors) to go through at least several weeks of infantry training. That can't possibly be fun.

So, by NOT enrolling as a lawyer, he gets to bypass any infantry training, and instead he is eligible for this Naval Intelligence training, according to
Wikipedia. What does that training consist of?

According to "Sailor Steve":

The Navy Reserve, that's the life. I was thinking of joining the reserves as a JAG officer a few years ago and I learned about NRIP--- the Naval Reserve Intelligence Program. On a continuum of difficulty of military training--- if Navy Seal training is the toughest, NRIP is clearly the easiest. High school football players train harder. In your first year, active duty training is two weeks of Direct Commission Officer School. A knife and fork school that basically teaches you the difference between the uniforms you must salute and the ones you should expect a salute from. Oh and the two weeks is business weeks, its 10 days of training.

After that rigorous ordeal, you'll need to take a breather. You go home and attend drills once a month, study at home for a year and then do two more two weeks of intelligence training. The home study course is hardly top secret-- its online. http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/navy/docs/rfs4/

That's it for your active duty training. At that point you serve two weeks a year at a Navy base or an aircraft carrier. The unit closest to me sent people to the NATO European naval headquarters--- two weeks a year on Uncle Sam's dime in a backwater English town called London. 8 years later, after you've had your fill of the West End nightlife, you get an honorable discharge and run for office on your military record.





"Sailor Steve" also says this in his 2007 blog post about this:

http://isteve.blogspot.com/2007/06/george-p-bush-joins-naval-reserve.html

George P. Bush joins the Naval Reserve:

A reader writes regarding the news that the former Florida governor Jeb Bush's politically ambitious son George P. Bush (whom George W. Bush has nicknamed "44" to go along with his being "43" and his father "41&quot has joined the Naval Reserve as an Intelligence officer:

As The Simpsons put it: "The Naval Reserve: America's seventeenth line of defense, right between the Minnesota National Guard and the League of Women Voters."

Gotta give Bush 44 (ugh) credit for cleverness. There is not an easier way to get "military service" on your resume then as a Naval reserve intelligence officer.


Thanks, "Sailor Steve."

Now - I still want to know if George P Bush actually completed the training he was eligible for, and, if he served under a "different" name in a war zone.

Or, if it's yet another piece of propaganda fed to the American press by his ex-CIA Director grandfather and his father -- both of whom have proven to me their habit of feeding false news to the press in this country based on what happened in numerous other situations with others I already mentioned on this thread. Lie, lie, lie. Pump up the bogus credentials for political gain. Hurt others in the process, especially women, children and teachers, students, parents, etc. ANYone who gets in the way of the latest lie.

[anobserver2]

86. Official word from US Navy in 2007: NO SPECIAL TREATMENT FOR GEORGE P BUSH; ASSIGNED "CLOSE TO HOME"

Well, what the U.S. Navy official who is identified and quoted in this USA Today news article said back in 2007 sure does NOT sound to me to be the same as what is being reported now in 2012,
because THIS official is saying: NO special treatment for George P Bush, AND, he will be assigned "CLOSE TO HOME."

Take a look:

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-03-24-bush-nephew_N.htm

Bush's nephew chosen for Navy class
Posted 3/24/2007

...He [George P Bush] and the other members of the Class of 2007 will be sworn in this year, Lt. Cmdr. Bill Schroeder of the Navy Reserve Intelligence Command in Fort Worth said Wednesday. They will go through a two-week officer indoctrination school, a year of Navy basic intelligence training and be assigned to Navy reserve intelligence units close to their homes.

Navy intelligence officers collect and analyze information and provide guidance to help war fighters make decisions critical on the battlefield, Schroeder said.

Bush, a 30-year-old graduate of the University of Texas School of Law, will get no special treatment, he said.

"He will be held to the same standards as all of his other shipmates," Schroeder said. "He will go through the same training. He will have the same duties and responsibilities and have to display the same commitment as the rest of his shipmates."

OK. SO, I still really want to know: Just a lie and fake news articles now, in 2012, that he was deployed to an active war zone under a "different" name (and did he complete the training)?

Because back in 2007 the US Navy was saying NO SPECIAL TREATMENT etc.

What's going on?

[anobserver2]

87. And his deployment (if any) must have happened: under Obama

According to this March 2007 Politico article, navy intelligence training takes "about two years" -- if so, then his deployment, if any, must have happened under: Obama. (Not GW Bush)

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0307/3251.html



...George Prescott Bush, the oldest son of former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, said the death of Pat Tillman, the NFL player and Army Ranger who was killed in Afghanistan in 2004 in what was later determined to be a friendly-fire incident, "was a wake-up call for me." He said he even "looked into active duty" and had somber conversations with his wife about the possibility.

Bush said he had not intended to announce his plans. "Honestly, I'm kind of a little disappointed that the word got out," he said. "I was hoping to keep this as confidential as possible. I'm not doing it for political purposes or anything along those lines. I'm just doing it because I've been inspired by the friends of mine that have served, either through the JAG (military law) program or through the Reserves. I thought this was a small way that I could get involved."

Bush, who said he plans to "stay out of 2008," is a leader of the Maverick PAC, which was formed by young Texas donors to the Bush-Cheney campaign. The group has a series of meetings scheduled with the Republican presidential candidates.

Bush expects to receive his commission in a month or two. He will go to officer candidate school in Rhode Island, then intelligence school in Virginia Beach. The commitment involves two weeks of annual training. He can volunteer for active duty or be deployed after he finishes his intelligence certification, which takes about two years.

He'll have to run a mile and a half in 13 minutes, which he said he can do now, but he's trying to get down to the 10 minutes and 30 seconds required for SEALs and special operations.

So, according to the last sentence above, he's training like a SEAL.

And, of course, he's not doing any of this military service for "political" reasons.

[UTUSN]

88. I will always KICK this thread/topic!1 n/t

[daveschroeder]

92. Bush was a Direct Commission Officer (DCO)

The Navy commissions reserve officers via the Direct Commission Officer (DCO or DIRCOM) process. There are many Navy officer communities that do this. All Navy Information Dominance Corps (IDC) communities, which includes Intelligence (INTEL), Information Professional (IP), Information Warfare (IW), and Meteorology/Oceanography (METOC), also commission reserve officers this way.

There are two IDC DCO boards each year, in March and September. Each board selects 50-60 Intelligence officers, around 5-7 IP and IW officers, and 0-2 METOC officers. Usually the selectees are older (30-35) and have significant educational (i.e., advanced degrees) and/or professional experience and demonstrated leadership skills. They can be prior enlisted, or non-prior service civilians.

Once selected, DCO officers go to the two-week Direct Commission Officer Indoctrination Course (DCOIC) at Naval Station Newport, RI. From there, they begin drilling and learning the ropes of their community. For INTEL, it is 18 months worth of drill weekends for the Naval Intelligence Officer Basic Course (NIOBC) and then a process of completing other community qualifications. This takes 2-3 years.

After that, you're deployable.

Bush didn't "serve in the Navy under a different name". He was DEPLOYED under a different name for security reasons. Anyone can visit the Naval Register (Google it; first hit) and find the names of any Navy officer at any time. Select Reserve, Lieutenant, Intelligence, and browse to the Bs. BUSH GEORGE PRESCOTT LT 44206900 1835 INTEL 20110601 M 31.

It's not a mystery.