Will judge make him forfeit passports as flight risk?

[JT45242]

The accused criminal has a jet capable of flying to a non extradition location.

Would othere defendants faced with over 30 counts be forced to pay bail and surrender passport in NY for real?

I ask because I know what Jack McCoy would do! Dun dun

[Turbineguy]

1. I think it's better he escapes.

That leaves his rubes holding the bag of betrayal.

[Lovie777]

3. To Russia.............

everything he touches dies.

[Walleye]

2. I don't think he needs a passport to fly his own jet to someplace say, Russia

Unless he has to stop and refuel I guess

[Ms. Toad]

20. See this post.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=17782531

[bucolic_frolic]

4. No, he won't flee. He thinks he can beat the rap. He thinks he's innocent!

If he rabble rouses enough base, he thinks the judicial system will wither and he'll go free.

[Irish_Dem]

6. Yes he figures he can raise a lot of money and votes with his indictment.

And probably assumes he is going to wiggle out of everything, like always.

[Ahna KneeMoose]

5. Jack McCoy, Indeed: Dun(!)-Dun(!) (n/t)

[Mme. Defarge]

13. Here you go!

[Ahna KneeMoose]

18. Both Jack and I Say Hi - With Appreciations (n/t)

[no_hypocrisy]

7. He has a private plane and can go wherever he wants.

Returning to the U.S. is another issue.

[Ms. Toad]

19. Hmm . . . let's think about that a minute.

Does that mean that as long as people who want to enter the US from Mexico take private transportation (jet or otherwise) that immigration laws don't apply to them (and many of them the right wants to deport are actually here legally)?

It isn't just returning to the US. Every country has immigration rules - and they apply to anyone entering the country regardless of the mode of transportation used to enter the country.

[Effete Snob]

21. You don't need a passport to visit a country that wants you there

If some country wants Trump there, he doesn’t need a passport to get in.

[Ms. Toad]

24. The country's immigration laws apply,

regardless of the means of transportation.

The assertion (twice in this thread) implied that travel by private plane was an end run around the need for a passport. It isn't.

(There may be other exceptions in the immigration law, but those don't depend on whether you enter the country by private or public transportation.)

[Effete Snob]

25. Lol, right

If Kim Jung Un allows Trump in, he’s in.

If Putin wants Trump in Russia, and Trump goes there, then some nitwit at the airport is not going to say “oh, wait, he doesn’t have a passport.”

I don’t think you understood what I said. If a country wants you there, they can let you in on any terms they want.

Ferdinand Marcos and the Shah of Iran didn’t apply for visa and spend time waiting in line at an immigration checkpoint to enter and live in the US.

Robert Vesco didn’t need a U.S. passport to move to Nicaragua or Cuba.

Snowden didn’t have a problem obtaining Russian citizenship after being stuck in an airport with no valid passport.

[Ms. Toad]

26. I understood what you said.

You just didn't understand the post(s) I was responding to, which tied the lack of the need for a passport to traveling there by private plane.

If they want him there, and he wants to travel by public transportaion (commercial plane, train, bus, etc.), he would no more need a passport than he would if he traveled by private plane.

Again, it isn't the mode of transportation (the assertion to which I was responding) that determines whether he needs a passport.

[Effete Snob]

27. The mode of transportation does matter

A commercial airline will not fly you to another country without a passport. The reason why people think you need one to leave the country is because the airlines will be fined by the destination country and have to bring you back if they don’t check.

So, no, without a passport, one cannot take commercial air to another country.

If you have your own plane (and we are not talking about Mexico or Canada) then, yes, you can fly to any country that will let you in without your passport or a visa. A commercial airline will not do that.

I don’t think he’s going anywhere, but if he were nonetheless inclined to do so without a passport, then having one’s own plane makes a huge difference in how easy that will be to do.

[Ms. Toad]

30. You've flipped the comment to which I was responding, and added a few more conditions.

The comment suggested that passports are not needed to travel to another country by a private plane. They are, as a general rule.

If he is allowed into another country without a passport, it isn't the mode of travel which exempts him from the need for a passport.

Frankly, if they really want him there without a passport, they have the means to make that happen even on a commercial airline.

And, if they don't want him there, arriving by private plane isn't going to make a whit of difference.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

8. Highly doubtful.

[Lettuce Be]

10. Doubt it, besides him leaving the country would be a positive

[usonian]

11. People say no cuffs, not a flight risk.

Despite private jet and open arms.



WAIT! That would be the big win!
Save the U.S. government loads of money.

FLEE, DONNIE, FLEE!

[WarGamer]

15. Russia would NOT be a pleasant destination.

Dubai would be MUCH better.

No extradition to the USA and if you're wealthy... it's a GREAT place to live.

[WarGamer]

12. Ummmm... no?

[Iggo]

14. "Oh please, Sir. Please don't leave the country and never come back! Please!" -- Brer Iggo

[Brother Buzz]

16. In my perfect world...

Judge Juan Marchan would place travel restrictions on the orange anus, "Do not leave the state of New York without written authorization".

Hell, even his Bedminster, New Jersey, golf course would be off limits.

[MichMan]

17. Why allow any bail at all ?

Keep him locked up until trial

[Effete Snob]

22. Damned Constitution

Eight amendment.

Of course if we want to get rid of it, we could just elect Trump again.

[MichMan]

23. Yet, some people are occasionally still denied bail

Some January 6th defendants for example. Apparently still permitted under the Constitution

Most of the people arrested were allowed to go free while their cases worked their way through court. Judges decided a smaller group — often those facing the most serious charges or those who prosecutors worried might flee the country — should be locked up while they awaited trial.

The combination of a court backlogged with COVID-19-related delays, plus the lumbering nature of a massive federal criminal investigation, has stretched the "pretrial" period to as long as a year or more for some detainees.

https://www.npr.org/2022/04/14/1092580753/capitol-riot-january-6-insurrection-defendants

[Effete Snob]

28. Trump will not be denied bail

Yes, persons charged with violent crimes are indeed denied bail based on a well established set of factors not relevant to what Trump is likely to be charged with.

Just being an asshole is insufficient.

[Silent3]

29. For these NY indictments, you're completely right. But for 1/6?

We don't know the specifics yet of the indictments, but they certainly aren't for any sort of violent crimes, nothing that would classify Trump as a imminent risk.

But long ago the DoJ should have treated Trump as a violent criminal for the insurrection, and subject to denial of bail as such. Instead they've proceeded with all the speed and urgency that would be applied to tax evasion or a patent dispute.

[MichMan]

32. People considered a flight risk can also be denied bail without committing violent crimes.

That was in the excerpt (and link) I posted regarding the Jan 6th defendants; some of whom have been jailed for over a year now pending trial.

Regardless, denial of bail is not prohibited by the constitution.

[NullTuples]

31. Does he even need one to fly to one of his protectors like Russia or Saudi Arabia?

If they're going to refuse to extradite him, why would they worry about a formality like a passport? They can issue him anything they want, including full citizenship in their own countries (thinking of the Saudi Royal Family, not Putin. Who I think still needs to at least appear to follow Russian law? Maybe not...).