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SleeplessinSoCal

(9,145 posts)
Mon Feb 13, 2023, 07:02 PM Feb 2023

Ohio train derailment and Pete Buttigieg.

I can only find negative coverage of him. Surely he and his department are hard at work on this. Apparently Google is clueless as to what. But there are many nasty articles a click away.

https://www.newsweek.com/pete-buttigieg-ignores-ohio-train-derailment-transportation-celebration-1780918

If anyone finds info on the progress of the transportation dept over the disaster, please post it. He seems to be back footed.

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Ohio train derailment and Pete Buttigieg. (Original Post) SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2023 OP
Media coverage of this derailment and disaster has been horrendous. LonePirate Feb 2023 #1
The government needs to speak up about Norfolk Rail's antiquated brake system. raging moderate Feb 2023 #2
A disaster of NS's making. paleotn Feb 2023 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Hiawatha Pete Feb 2023 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Hiawatha Pete Feb 2023 #11
"buttplug" is trending on twitter milestogo Feb 2023 #3
I saw and then I clicked In It to Win It Feb 2023 #5
Those are some GRADE AA MAGATS right there... WarGamer Feb 2023 #14
How good are they at holding their breath? FSogol Feb 2023 #16
Post removed Post removed Feb 2023 #27
Aside from giving updates on potential cause and how to prevent a recurrence, Freethinker65 Feb 2023 #4
I guess they really don't understand the privatization and deregulation paleotn Feb 2023 #7
Privatize the profits... TheRealNorth Feb 2023 #21
Private tracks and a private rail company. paleotn Feb 2023 #6
My wife saw some tweets from Rachel Maddow about this train thing Alpeduez21 Feb 2023 #9
I agree... 2naSalit Feb 2023 #13
We went through this crap with axles and brakes on tanker cars back in 2014/15 Cheezoholic Feb 2023 #10
You are posting an often RW zombie rag (Newsweek) piece that uses the POS Nina Turner to attack Pete Celerity Feb 2023 #15
That was the least offensive link to the story I found. SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2023 #17
I saw a tweet by Pete a couple days ago. vanlassie Feb 2023 #18
Twitter cannot be the tool for disseminating important information. SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2023 #19
The derailment was on 3 Feb DashOneBravo Feb 2023 #25
This accident happened not too far from Deminpenn Feb 2023 #20
He has been tweeting away about laws and regulations. SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2023 #22
Not sure everyone understands that not all cars Deminpenn Feb 2023 #23
Lots of people aren't on Twitter womanofthehills Feb 2023 #26
What comes up is anti-Democratic propaganda: David Sirota, Jacobin, Common Dreams, The Lever, betsuni Feb 2023 #24
Even Seth Meyers took him to task for waiting "10 days" to address the disaster. SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2023 #28

LonePirate

(13,431 posts)
1. Media coverage of this derailment and disaster has been horrendous.
Mon Feb 13, 2023, 07:07 PM
Feb 2023

Journalists have essentially been nothing but mouthpieces for the corporation and Republicans. The American people and Democrats have suffered as a result.

raging moderate

(4,311 posts)
2. The government needs to speak up about Norfolk Rail's antiquated brake system.
Mon Feb 13, 2023, 07:21 PM
Feb 2023

Norfolk Rail is probably dispensing huge favors and funds very quietly in order to create an atmosphere that blames Pete Buttegieg for the disaster created by the lazy, greedy, callous failures of the rich stockholders and executives and other Norfolk personnel that resulted in this terrible tragedy.

paleotn

(17,989 posts)
8. A disaster of NS's making.
Mon Feb 13, 2023, 07:51 PM
Feb 2023

They own the tracks. They own the locomotives and railcars.

We don't need no stinking regulation, do we?

Response to paleotn (Reply #8)

Response to raging moderate (Reply #2)

WarGamer

(12,484 posts)
14. Those are some GRADE AA MAGATS right there...
Mon Feb 13, 2023, 08:47 PM
Feb 2023

I can almost see the F-250 Diesel pickup trucks with flags on the back.

Response to milestogo (Reply #3)

Freethinker65

(10,061 posts)
4. Aside from giving updates on potential cause and how to prevent a recurrence,
Mon Feb 13, 2023, 07:46 PM
Feb 2023

I don't think any blame can be on Buttigieg personally.

The GOP tried to get the media to blame Buttigieg for problems with Southwest and for the temporary airline halt when someone messed with some FAA hardware/software, but that didn't really stick.

Until one actually knows the cause (there are reports of sparks under the train as it traveled through Illinois), I don't see how one can blame the government. Has a definite cause been found? The breached cars' contents should have been contained by Norfolk's recovery system, some cars were intentionally set ablaze to prevent a possible explosion which would have been worse.

Any transportation of hazardous materials brings risk.

paleotn

(17,989 posts)
7. I guess they really don't understand the privatization and deregulation
Mon Feb 13, 2023, 07:50 PM
Feb 2023

they love to banter on about. Until it bits their ass anyway.

paleotn

(17,989 posts)
6. Private tracks and a private rail company.
Mon Feb 13, 2023, 07:49 PM
Feb 2023

I thought the right loved them some privatization and hated the dreaded R word...regulation!!!! Until it derails in their backyard from lack of track maintenance I guess.

Alpeduez21

(1,757 posts)
9. My wife saw some tweets from Rachel Maddow about this train thing
Mon Feb 13, 2023, 07:55 PM
Feb 2023

Usually that indicates she’ll cover it on her show. Since she is not a big twitter presence when she does tweet it means she’ll talk about it on the show. I’ve always found her to be a pretty straight shooter and she can go leaves deep on something. Except for her trump taxes thing that was crap but may have had more to do with the network selling it than her

2naSalit

(86,804 posts)
13. I agree...
Mon Feb 13, 2023, 08:45 PM
Feb 2023

Looking forward to her take.

It would be great if she can get the Secretary on to interview about this.

Cheezoholic

(2,035 posts)
10. We went through this crap with axles and brakes on tanker cars back in 2014/15
Mon Feb 13, 2023, 08:09 PM
Feb 2023

after multiple major deadly accidents involving fuel tankers among others in the US and Canada. Rachel spent quite some time on it back then. I found it a bit ironic that these "faulty" brakes and axles on "antiquated" tankers all suddenly started failing at the same time as resistance against Keystone and several other pipelines was gaining a large amount of traction. Rachel even hinted at this in some of her coverage.

Regardless its obvious that the issues weren't addressed properly.

Celerity

(43,545 posts)
15. You are posting an often RW zombie rag (Newsweek) piece that uses the POS Nina Turner to attack Pete
Mon Feb 13, 2023, 09:01 PM
Feb 2023

Plus it also uses a MAGAt social media stooge attack and another attack by a failed Rethug ex House Rep, a Latina 'Jeebus 'N Gunz? Sí, se puede!' sell-out.


smdh

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,145 posts)
17. That was the least offensive link to the story I found.
Mon Feb 13, 2023, 10:12 PM
Feb 2023

It's the reason I'm reaching out to find good coverage.

In thinking on this, it's probably best for Buttigieg to hold off on a public statement to both gather info and build an audience for the occasion. Meanwhile, let them do what they do. Then let him do what he does so well, take it to them with facts and clarity.

Deminpenn

(15,290 posts)
20. This accident happened not too far from
Tue Feb 14, 2023, 05:34 AM
Feb 2023

where I live across the border in PA.

There has been no, zero, mention of Buttigieg in any of the local or regional news. The sensors on both the tracks and the train operated as they were designed. The engineer did get a warning in his cab and started emergency braking. However, this was a very long train with 141 cars pulled by 3 engines, probably a mile and half long. It wasn't going to stop on a dime.

RRs are regulated by the Federal Railway Administration, part of DoT.

Deminpenn

(15,290 posts)
23. Not sure everyone understands that not all cars
Thu Feb 16, 2023, 06:35 AM
Feb 2023

are owned by the RRs, in this case NS. For privately owned cars, they have to meet all the safety and operating requirements and pass an inspection before they can be part of a freight or passenger train. That is a per a friend who has owned a private RR car, used for passenger excurations, for many years. From my own experience at DoD with aircraft parts, especially parts that constantly rotate, is that they can fail without warning or showing any signs of potential failure like cracks. Not saying that's what happened, but things do happen that are beyond anyone's control or ability to anticipate.

NS already knows an axle on one of the cars failed as the basic cause of the accident. Jmo, but with the video, data recorders, track sensors and cars all available to be inspected and analyzed, NTSB will likely be able to figure out all the details fairly quickly.

On a local note, residents in the affected area voted overwhelming (70%) for Trump in 2020 and Vance and DeWine in 2022. They don't like government or much believe in regulation, until, like in this case, it affects them personally. That tempers my sympathy for them.

womanofthehills

(8,779 posts)
26. Lots of people aren't on Twitter
Thu Feb 16, 2023, 03:15 PM
Feb 2023

I think Pete made a big mistake by not being more visible and not commenting immediately on the accident.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,145 posts)
28. Even Seth Meyers took him to task for waiting "10 days" to address the disaster.
Thu Feb 16, 2023, 06:05 PM
Feb 2023

I'm pretty sure he determined to stay on course to inform the public about the various infrastructure projects under way. They had to wait for the State of the Union address before the big push to get the good word out. Frustrating and somehow typical.

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