Pro Life...You're kidding right? (toon)

[Drale]

Found this on Facebook and I think it sums it up nicely.

[AndyA]

1. They protect life until birth, after that, yer on yer own!

They don't care about education, health, or anything else after birth. If you're strong enough you'll survive, if you aren't, then you die. But don't hang around too long, if you get sick you're a burden to society and have no value.

Hypocrites.

[patrice]

3. It's actually worse than that, becuase "yer (not REALLY) on yer own". THEY ARE FASCISTS, so ....

they are violating personal autonomy everywhere they turn, not just women's uteruses, but also whom you may love, and how many wars there are and what you can say and think and so much much more.

As the Republican party dies their coalition with groups like the Tea Party and what calls themselves "Libertarians" produces Fascism. Mitt Rongny is a PERFECT example of how Fascism will take on ANY and ALL disguises, say ANYTHING, do ANYTHING, wear ALL political faces, fight for and against ALL issues . . . all in the drive to acquire more power. Fascists want power for solely for power's sake alone, so they will say and/or do anything and everything to get it. The result is that you/NO ONE will be un-affected by what happens as fascist ascend toward more and more power.

[Plucketeer]

16. The only thing we're missing

are the fences topped with concertina wire. Of course, with all the forms of surveillance "they" have to keep track of us, fences are a redundancy.

[patrice]

20. I recognize the implications of what you are saying there. However, you should

be aware that I am a person who knows that freedom is constituted in one's own ability to act rationally GIVEN the consequences of one's actions.

It's a mistake to think freedom is about there being no consequences to what one does. There is no free lunch. Freedom is a very adaptive quality; continuous learning enhances one's chances to be free, so that the consequences for what one does become part of the doing in a way that achieves identified priorities.

What I'm trying to say is: for those who can figure out how, I personally think that there's still great potential for freedom and growth in our situation, despite those fences and the surveillance. For all of their tracking, they can't actually get inside of your head, so the most important questions are about to what extent do I honestly recognize what is going on inside of my head. An important question there being: What is authentically and act -ually more important? Freedom? - or - Fighting "them"?

Yes, there are times in which the fight MUST be confronted, but is that at ANY and every opportunity that presents itself? Or is it at my/our own BEST, most efficacious, opportunity?

If one is enslaved to the fight against any and all "power", actual and illusory, one's ability to answer these questions is biased.

[FiveGoodMen]

23. "they can't actually get inside of your head"

Let's hope ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101640053

[patrice]

35. Well maybe SOME people's heads, yes they can & those would be REACTIONARIES.

Who cannot have one thought that is not relative to "them" (who the fuck ever) in one way or another.

"They" are already inside those heads, so I guess your concerns are valid for SOME people.

[amuse bouche]

17. Do they really protect life until birth?

Do they care about or supply the mother with pre natal care?

[ProudProgressiveNow]

19. +1 nt

[Zoeisright]

47. You're right. Repukes cut prenatal research funding.

And WIC, which helps pregnant women get the food they need to eat, and have cut funding into newborn and infant diseases. They don't give a flying fuck about the fetus or the woman. It's all about hate and control with those repukes assholes.

[amuse bouche]

51. Thank You

I couldn't have phrased it better

[KansDem]

2. Corporations and fetuses are "persons"

Women, blacks, Hispanics, the working class, immigrants, gays & lesbians, the poor, students, the ill...not so much.

[ck4829]

4. K&R

[BillStein]

5. How do good Catholics

like ryan and santorum use the Pope as their autority on abortion, but ignore the Church's teaching on capital punishment?

Just sayin'

[nxylas]

11. The US Catholic bishops are often complicit in this

I'm not a Catholic, so I'm only hearing this second-hand from friends who are, but I believe the Catholic bishops in America have produced some voting guide that lists only four issues that are non-negotiable: abortion, euthanasia, embryonic stem-cell research and same-sex marriage. By an amazing coincidence, these are the only four issues on which the "typical Catholic voter" (with all the usual caveats about such generalizations) is more likely to agree with Republicans than with Democrats. I want to make it clear that I am not Catholic-bashing here, and I know that the laity are often far more liberal than their bishops. But that's the official line.

[efhmc]

6. And a woman is just a walking incubator.

[hifiguy]

7. I think it was the late great George Carlin

who said that in Republican land "if you're pre-natal, you're golden but if you're pre-school you're fked." Republicanism in a nutshell.

[AtomicKitten]

30. yahtzee! exactly what I was thinking of

Carlin had such a way of distilling things so perfectly.

[heaven05]

8. ooohh!

right in the face.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

9. It has NOTHING to do with being "pro-life"....

It's all about pointing at Democrats and claiming they a murdering babies.

I've heard right-wing preachers claim the reason "Demoncrats" want abortions is to offer blood sacrifices to Satan.

[Drale]

10. I hate to tell them but

Satan does not like human sacrifice because if we kill humans its less meat for him to corrupt into republicans.

[rwsanders]

12. The right wing preachers have sold their souls to Satan for political influence.

And you are correct. It has nothing to do with protecting anything. Abortion is just another smoke-screen issue to make people who are easily influenced vote a certain way. Just like the traitor Bush the elder and the flag-burning nonsense.
Here's a bit of a view from the "inside". The leaders of these "churches" are making bundles of tax free money and are living high on the hog. (a caveat, the church we are currently attending isn't like this which is why we are there). They are enjoying cozying up to the politicians (like the Quislings they are).
The most rabid of these churches do NOTHING to help teens through the time when they are most vulnerable. I've been hit by the nit-pickers here before, so my statistics are admittedly old, but a Newsweek article circa 1998 said 75% of abortions are teens and 2/3 of that the father was significantly (think illegally) older. But what do we not see these "churches" doing? They are not advocating for head-start programs, after school programs, funding for higher education, or even opening their doors for latch-key kids or kids that just need a non-threatening place to hang out. That could easily eliminate 50% of the demand for abortion.
My wife and I actually in the past, attended the church filmed in the movie "Jesus Camp" for a while. The pastor's wife is the source of the problem there. He is even-keeled, but his wife is a fanatic.
I have challenged pastors, bible-school graduates and most recently a Doctor of Divinity to go through the issues from both parties and analyze them based on scripture. All have found an excuse to back down. No takers yet. I even sent the challenge to Focus on the Family when then have spouted their right-wing crap over the radio.
I think the right is making me so angry lately because we fought WW2 to get rid of the social problems that make fascism appealing. Yet everything that FDR was concerned about regarding fascism is happening here. It is lamentable that his second bill of rights never came to be.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

14. One of the things that gets me is you can't tell someone their church has been taken over,...

...by Republicans without them getting angry. The reason is because it implies their church is weak enough to have been infiltrated and corrupted. What they honestly believe is that it went the other way around and the Holy Spirit infiltrated the Republican Party. I mean, just look at them in their "Sunday Best" posing for their family pictures. All well scrubbed with clean cut, well behaved kids who clean their plate and help mom clear the table while dad relaxes in his chair and the dog fetches his slippers.

Then they go to Washington and that place is SO EVIL that it corrupted that wonderful person and THAT is why he was found in a hotel room with a suitcase full of cash and a male prostitute.

[rwsanders]

52. Well this is what I have seen happen in my churches and it is the opposite of what they would say...

My home church in Clemson, SC had a pastor that refused to be political although I later found out that most of the congregation was (I was naive at the time and didn't know how anyone in church could follow the leadings of the sociopaths in the republican party). Well after he left, they got their wish and were able to be as partisan as they wanted.
Well guess what the end result was? Most of them left the church, and the church itself went from a healthy group of 150 to a low last time I was there of about 15-20.
(Funny thing is if you also follow Buzzflash, one of the members was Kirstin McGuire who got GOP hypocrit of the week for writing erotic fiction under a pseudonym. Last time my wife and I were there, her and her husband were the only 2 in the place that wouldn't bother to say "Hi". Another story about them, I interviewed at the company owned by her husband's dad. The interviewer told me they sent their capacitors to Mexico to be packaged because "those people enjoy that kind of work" expecting a laugh, I didn't laugh and didn't get the job).
The problem with the whole philosophy of the republican party is that it actually is founded on the Ayn Rand view. It is a me first, short term gain, to hell with the future group of people. Even those who believe that the Republicans will end abortion don't want to care for the kids that don't have homes now. They are primarily concerned about being judged for being in a nation that allows it (a me first attitude again) which is why very few do the dirty work that would be required to fix the problems.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

53. So membership dropped as a result of going political?

[rwsanders]

54. That is my personal observation...

It is like an infection. It drives people apart (even those that agree with the politics). I think the Republican philosophy is so toxic it inevitably drives people apart. Again, even if they are republican.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

55. This recent "quest for political purity" proves that.

"Moderates" are anyone that doesn't sound like a Glenn Beck clone.

[sarge43]

13. Andy Borowitz said the Repugs are against FEMA and health care,

but pretty much ok with rape. Any comparison between them and pond scum is an insult to pond scum.

[midnight]

15. The pro-life movement like mothers against drunk drivers have been hijacked by

extremists... However, these folks don't seem to mind, and therefore they have lost credibility to protect life, and instead have become a force for destruction....

[Drale]

18. Wow I had no idea MADD had gotten so extreme

They are one step away from a new temperence movement

[patrice]

21. That may be a reaction to "Libertarian", read that Fascist, ACTTIVE opposition to

police doing DUI traffic checks.

Extremity on one side evokes extremity on the other(s).

[FiveGoodMen]

25. I hope you're not advocating random stops to check people's blood.

[patrice]

27. I think there are better solutions that the same people who are doing this are

also preventing us from pursuing, because their drive to power fractures those who would be doing something about all of this BEFORE the drunk-driving deaths, instead of after the fact.

I'd prefer Mental Health Care PARITY everywhere in the USA, but failing that I'd like very much to see drunk drivers stopped one way or another.

The only reason it has come to this extreme, the road block checks (btw, is that the same thing as the random stops to which you refer?) . . . the only reason it has come to this extreme is that we are so utterly and profoundly divided against our own best interests and there is so much actual political hate out there that we can't get together on better solutions.

Shall we just tolerate the murder of innocents by vehicle?

What is the solution here?

In my personal experience, alcohol use amongst some cohorts is completely out of control, tolerated, and even admired. I personally know some people who killed themselves with it. Also, alcohol related suicides in our high schools, which we had every year that I taught.

WHAT shall we do? "Nothing" is the answer of those who are opposing effective actions against DUIs. This IS de facto fascism.

[FiveGoodMen]

31. I'd much, much, MUCH rather take my chances with drunks on the road than live in a police state

"Live free or... or... naw just fuck the freedom, it's too inconvenient"

Is that about the size of it?

Every right wing nut has some special cause that is just SO important that the constitution shouldn't interfere.

[patrice]

34. "nut" can be just as relevant to what calls itself "the Left" as it can be of the Right, as

you so clearly illustrate.

It appears that you are a clear example of what I was talking about in #20.

There are people who have mistaken their own slavery to reactionary contrarianism for freedom.

[FiveGoodMen]

38. If you believe the 4th Amendment is left wing nuttery

You Belong On Another Site.

[patrice]

44. Odd how Habeas Corpus ended in 2002 & practically speaking, no one seemed to

notice until NDAA 2012. Wondering here how much that has to do with political/ECONOMIC opportunity much more than it has anything to do with the right to privacy.

I support the 4th amendment and I condemn it's perversion by bought-&-paid-for (sometimes with actual money, but probably much more often with JOBS) ... that is, bought-&-paid-for "Just Us", but I protest your assumption that the word "reasonable" is not included in that amendment and that the founders actually meant "ANY", so, since "Oath or affirmation" (also included in the 4th Amendment) can be/is perverted by bribery and cronyism, we should abandon our collective agreements, codified in law, about our security and that of future generations and prevent ANYTHING that appropriately calls others to authentic responsibility for their actions.

[FiveGoodMen]

46. If you allow fishing expeditions, that completely destroys the 4th Amendment

Preventing that was its purpose.

[patrice]

50. I don't approve of fishing expeditions either, but real wolves do hide amongst the "sheep", maybe

if the "sheep" would call those wolves out just within their own social groups, there'd be less harm, and we aren't just talking about drunk-driving deaths here. This includes certain types of vulnerable people who ARE trying to make certain kinds of transitions in their lives, who end up getting used, because no one wants to take the social hit for calling the wolves wolves. I know a parolee that this happened to. I knew the guy personally. He's back inside again now, because he was in over his head with the Libertarians around him. I and several others around here will never forgive them. Yeah, he was "weak", but they fucking USED him and several others, btw. Libertarians are lying fascists.

[liberal_at_heart]

41. this is why I voted no on WA I-502- no to a police state

A medical marijuana patient could take medicine and 10 hours later get into a car, be pulled over, have their blood tested, and if the level of THC in their blood is 5 nanograms can be charged with a DUI under I-502. That would create thousands of criminals out of sick people who are medical marijuana patients. No to a police state.

[patrice]

45. Discrimination. I would not have voted for that either. & I personally maintain

that the effects of cannabis are not like the effects of alcohol, which is a central nervous system depressant that affects, in particular, processes that are known to be involved in judgement; that would be judgement of any kind, everything from "have I had enough to drink" to "how fast should I go" to "how far away is __________ " to "Do I want this person to touch me" etc. etc. etc.

[midnight]

48. Patrice we should never tolerate the innocent being killed, but our laws are not written for safety

of the innocent they are written by ALEC to have huge incarceration rates/profits... If we cared about saving innocent lives we would have health care for everyone. All the laws have not created more safety, they have created more prisons... I think an area we could grow is our public transportation options..

[patrice]

49. Public transportation, now there's a solution to this situation that works! nt

[midnight]

56. Thank you.

[patrice]

28. IOW, I hope you're not advocating that we do nothing about this problem. nt

[FiveGoodMen]

29. Nothing along the lines you seem to be suggesting

That's damned right!

[patrice]

32. So, you're against Mental Health Care PARITY in insurance coverage in the USA. wow.

Just as I said, de facto FASCISM, fuck the Wellstone pic.

[patrice]

33. P.S. Glad to have you on the record on this issue. nt

[FiveGoodMen]

37. Hmmm. That was a sharp turn.

[patrice]

43. READ the post you're referring to #27: You then said, "Not along the lines.." that I was suggesting

and I wasn't suggesting at all. I outright stated:

"I'd prefer Mental Health Care PARITY everywhere in the USA, but failing that (emphasis added) I'd like very much to see drunk drivers stopped one way or another."

Your response to that statement indicates that you prefer NOTHING to be done & THAT, my friend, is de facto fascism. Read the Clouscard quote in The ExileD article linked above:

“Neofascism will be the ultimate expression of libertarian social liberalism, of the unit which starts in May 68. Its specificity holds in this formula: All is allowed, but nothing is possible. The permissiveness of abundance, growth, new models of consumption, leaves the place to the interdict of the crisis, the shortage, the absolute depauperation. These two historical components amalgamate in the head, in the spirit, thus creating the subjective conditions of the neofascism.” –Clouscard

[ExVAguy]

42. MADD started off well.

But with success they became more enthusiastic and kept pushing. These days, you can't even have a glass of wine without being over some limit.

They have done s lot of good but I think they can take it a bit too far.

[calimary]

22. SHARED on Facebook! This is great! Tell it like it is!

They forgot the death penalty, though. You can't say you're pro-life - as extremely as you set that up - AND be pro-death penalty. OR pro-war. That's killing human life, too. BOTH those activities are baby-killers, adult-killers, men-killers, women-killers, grandma-killers. You can't be an absolutist about the so-called "pro-life" stance, when you're in favor of war and the death penalty. PERIOD. And there's no wiggle-room here. NONE.

[oldbanjo]

24. Then when coorporations own the schools

and brain wash the kids they will win all elections.

[FiveGoodMen]

26. I'm certain that is the plan.

And it looks like it's working.

Why is America not outraged?

[patrice]

39. You assume that it isn't outraged, because you have pre-defined what that would

look like. What you're seeing doesn't fit your definition, therefore you have determined that, whatever it is, it is not occurring.

Not. necessarily. so.

Perhaps you need a change in perspective. I hope you will seriously consider the implications of what we are being told here: http://exiledonline.com/from-the-lost-file-libertarian-party-vice-presidential-nominee-james-gray-is-a-closetcase-republican-and-a-private-kangaroo-court-judge-for-hire/

I have seen what this article describes up close an personal. Pre-defined, label based, assumptions/limitations of what freedom actually is have blinded some people to their own slavery and, in my experience, it is some of these same types who are defending drunk drivers and then going home to their comfortable trust-fund lives and their relatively wealthy friends to brag about being part of the "revolution" when they wouldn't know an authentic revolution if it yelled directly into their ears.

[patrice]

36. I am a public education defender, but no schools of any kind, public or private, can

ameliorate the dissolution of families and dysfunctional, inappropriate parenting.

Schools cannot make up for authentic parenting, biological or otherwise. All they can do is REACT to what has already been done.

[sakabatou]

40. I think George Carlin has it a lil better...