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cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:11 AM Nov 2012

re: Razor-thin. The election actually Is incredibly close.

By all the usual measures this election is incredibly close.

That does not mean that the odds of the two candidates winning are incredibly close.

Two different things.

Say the Broncos lead the Cowboys 21-20 with one minute left, and Denver has the ball. The game is, indeed, very close, but the Cowboys have an extremely small chance of winning.

Within the established norms of campaign coverage, if almost every national poll being released the day before the election is within 1% that is, indeed, very, very close.

In national polling terms, this is probably the closest election since 1960, and certainly the closest since 2000.

But the odds of Romney winning are very slight.

Nate Silver says Obama has an 86.3% chance of winning. Nate Silver also has the popular vote at only a 2% difference.

The two assessments are not incompatible.

I cannot fault the media for "Incredibly close with a slight edge to Obama," or "Razor-thin, but Obama may have the momentum." As long as they acknowledge some Obama advantage I'm okay with it.

The alternative would be to demand that the entire media dispense with the way every election in the TV age has been covered and adopt a Nate Silver type prediction model. And there is a case to be made for the media not reporting a prediction model as fact.

But yeah, Obama is far more likely to win the election.

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re: Razor-thin. The election actually Is incredibly close. (Original Post) cthulu2016 Nov 2012 OP
Sorry, I don't buy that MSM razor thin argument. Tutonic Nov 2012 #1
Yup. old guy Nov 2012 #5
2004 was closer than this one will be, imo. So, "not the closest since 2000." yellowcanine Nov 2012 #2
Yep. Here's some graphical evidence: VWolf Nov 2012 #4
Moreover many pollsters and pundits alike have erik satie Nov 2012 #3
My feeling, it's an easy win for Obama rock Nov 2012 #6

Tutonic

(2,522 posts)
1. Sorry, I don't buy that MSM razor thin argument.
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:16 AM
Nov 2012

I have always believed that Obama had a 3-4 point lead, based on polling biases including Nate Silver. I don't think that ROmney EVER had a 20+ chance of winning. Just my two shillings. Peace.

old guy

(3,283 posts)
5. Yup.
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:39 AM
Nov 2012

O 52-48 and 300+ EV. Watching the ebb and flow of narrative this just feels right. Just sayin.

yellowcanine

(35,701 posts)
2. 2004 was closer than this one will be, imo. So, "not the closest since 2000."
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:20 AM
Nov 2012

Bush loses Ohio - he loses that election. Obama loses Ohio, he still wins. Not as close.

VWolf

(3,944 posts)
4. Yep. Here's some graphical evidence:
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:39 AM
Nov 2012
http://electoral-vote.com/evp2012/Pres/ec_graph-2012.html

Closer than 2008, but nowhere near as close as 2004. What I take from these graphs is that the race is significantly more stable this time around, consistently favoring the incumbant.

No-drama Obama, indeed.

erik satie

(81 posts)
3. Moreover many pollsters and pundits alike have
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:21 AM
Nov 2012

accepted this assertion that dem enthusiasm is lower and the minority turnout will as well be lower while the early voting goes on to prove the exact opposite. Furthermore what about new voters and those that don't pass the LV criteria? Obama's lead among registered voters is a lot bigger, in fact similar to his 2008 result.

rock

(13,218 posts)
6. My feeling, it's an easy win for Obama
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 12:03 PM
Nov 2012

I'm thinking 350+ EV. Perhaps even way over that. But I may just be a giddy idiot.

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