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pampango

(24,692 posts)
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 10:52 PM Nov 2012

Slate: Why Do White People Think Mitt Romney Should Be President?

There is a real, airtight bubble in this election, but it's not Obama's. As a middle-aged white man, in fact, I'm breaching it. White people—white men in particular—are for Mitt Romney. White men are supporting Mitt Romney to the exclusion of logic or common sense, in defiance of normal Americans. Without this narrow, tribal appeal, Romney's candidacy would simply not be viable. Most kinds of Americans see no reason to vote for him.

White people don't like to believe that they practice identity politics. The defining part of being white in America is the assumption that, as a white person, you are a regular, individual human being. Other demographic groups set themselves apart, to pursue their distinctive identities and interests and agendas. Whiteness, to white people, is the American default.

Yet Mitt Romney's election strategy depends on the notion that the white vote is separate from the rest of the vote, and can be captured as such.

Republican campaigns have been using dog-whistle signals for so long that they seem to have forgotten how to make sounds in normal human hearing range. Mitt Romney appears to be running on the message that first of all, Obama hasn't accomplished anything, and second of all, he's going to repeal all the bad things that Obama has accomplished.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/scocca/2012/11/mitt_romney_white_vote_parsing_the_narrow_tribal_appeal_of_the_republican.html?google_editors_picks=true

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Slate: Why Do White People Think Mitt Romney Should Be President? (Original Post) pampango Nov 2012 OP
Probably, to these white people, because Romney is white. n/t AaronMayorga Nov 2012 #1
Because "take our country back" budkin Nov 2012 #2
I think the articles title is too much of a generalization. heppcatt Nov 2012 #3
Romney is a vile racist at heart jsr Nov 2012 #4
The people running things on the right know Obama is about as moderate and pro-business brewens Nov 2012 #5
I think you're right redStateBlueHeart Nov 2012 #10
I am a white man, in fact a middle-aged NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #6
I am a white middle-aged man and I'm vocally behind our president too. Bucky Nov 2012 #22
+1 Scuba Nov 2012 #28
Excellent article MrScorpio Nov 2012 #7
Fuck. "White people" isn't one homogenous group, like any other ethnicity. Matariki Nov 2012 #8
Not just tiring, but... 99Forever Nov 2012 #20
As a middle-aged white guy in a red area, I can assure you that racism is alive and thriving ... Scuba Nov 2012 #29
thank for pointing out the sad truth Carolina Nov 2012 #30
Most of my group are voting Romney... Lightbulb_on Nov 2012 #32
Noted. marmar Nov 2012 #33
Thanks for noting... Lightbulb_on Nov 2012 #37
According to this article it is which makes it a shitty article. jp11 Nov 2012 #40
I'm white, and I'm scared sh*tless about Rmoney! AnnieBW Nov 2012 #9
Because they are racist they won't admit though rbrnmw Nov 2012 #11
Mitt Romney is the whitest white guy in the history of politics. Initech Nov 2012 #12
Because too many people are evil and stupid. Zoeisright Nov 2012 #13
When talking about the white vote you need to do it by you region SpartanDem Nov 2012 #14
I hate being lumped into a category ... DarleenMB Nov 2012 #15
Yes, your last sentence is so true, and so sad & pathetic. A lot of people don't want to be BOTHERED codjh9 Nov 2012 #19
he doesn't have all of them SmileyRose Nov 2012 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Democratopia Nov 2012 #17
Hey, I'm a white middle-aged guy too, from TX originally, no less, and I've NEVER voted for the codjh9 Nov 2012 #18
No friends of mine, black or white, male or female, would EVER vote for a repuke ailsagirl Nov 2012 #21
Because (the people we are talking about) as I say live in a place called Fear Democratopia Nov 2012 #23
Excellent list. "A place called Fear" is where republican voters live. And their politicians pampango Nov 2012 #25
it's also hate Carolina Nov 2012 #35
My sane white BNL is going to cancel out my crazy bagger sister's vote on election day! BWAHAHA!! freshwest Nov 2012 #24
Sigh. My husband is a 38 year old white guy, voting for Obama. a la izquierda Nov 2012 #26
Broadbrush statement. Quantess Nov 2012 #27
All white people? Le Taz Hot Nov 2012 #31
I wish people would actually read the article, and not react viscerally to the title. marmar Nov 2012 #34
I read the article Le Taz Hot Nov 2012 #36
Like the 3rd to last paragraph? muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #38
I wonder if constantly labeling white men as 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #42
I'm an old white guy and the very thought of voting for a Republican ... chemenger Nov 2012 #39
Bumparoo catfish57 Nov 2012 #41

brewens

(13,620 posts)
5. The people running things on the right know Obama is about as moderate and pro-business
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 11:18 PM
Nov 2012

as they could ever get from a Democrat, especially a black one. They are terrified the next one might not be so nice. There is no way they can tolerate him being seen as a success.

That's why a lot of them propagate all the racist dog whistle stories. They don't really believe all that crap but can work it like magic on uneducated low income white people.

redStateBlueHeart

(265 posts)
10. I think you're right
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 11:46 PM
Nov 2012

They're playing on the fears/sentiments of the base...gotta throw 'em a bone once in a while, eh? My brother and I were talking about this recently, about George Wallace and his "Segregation now and forever blah blah". I doubt the dude was actually that passionate about the whole thing, but he wanted to score points with all those fabulous Southern racists. Either way, you've got a base that's not so bright and pandering politicians who have no moral character.

On to the point: I think a lot of them, high-ranking officials and TPTB included, don't really have that big of a problem with a Black man being successful...as long as doesn't become more successful than them, that is. And president is pretty much the highest status you can get in this country. Thus, we get a Republican party that's gone frothing-at-the-mouth batshit insane.

Bucky

(54,065 posts)
22. I am a white middle-aged man and I'm vocally behind our president too.
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:23 AM
Nov 2012

Fuck demographics. I'm a person, not a category.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
7. Excellent article
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 11:32 PM
Nov 2012

I've noticed that the natives in Romney's tribe are quite restless in the comment section.

Quite a bit of nerves were struck.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
8. Fuck. "White people" isn't one homogenous group, like any other ethnicity.
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 11:35 PM
Nov 2012

None of the 'white' men I know are voting for Romney and I really find this kind of article tiring.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
20. Not just tiring, but...
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:11 AM
Nov 2012

... insulting. What the hell does this sort of nonsense hope to accomplish?

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
29. As a middle-aged white guy in a red area, I can assure you that racism is alive and thriving ...
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 07:29 AM
Nov 2012

... among middle-aged white guys. I've had more than one neighbor tell me they're voting "against the n****r".

That blunt enough for you?

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
30. thank for pointing out the sad truth
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 07:55 AM
Nov 2012

While I'm generally against painting with a broad brush, where I live (red state), the only reason many of the white men I work with are voting for Romney is because he's white. They won't admit it but it's the only logical cause because facts (re: SS & Medicare) don't matter, history (of wars & deficits under repukes) doesn't matter, nothing else matters but getting that black man out of their white house. They are willfully amnestic about how bad things were 4 years ago and cannot give you any good reason for Romney because they don't know what he stands for.

All they ever really offer as justification is that he was a successful businessman but when I counter yes, making gazillions for himself while outsourcing jobs, they angrily scoff. I cannot tell you how this election has forever changed my opinion of many people I have to work with.

 

Lightbulb_on

(315 posts)
32. Most of my group are voting Romney...
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 08:03 AM
Nov 2012

Mostly white and Hispanic but also two black.

Consensus is that it is mostly for military issues and some social ones.

It's not always about skin color.

AnnieBW

(10,457 posts)
9. I'm white, and I'm scared sh*tless about Rmoney!
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 11:38 PM
Nov 2012

I dunno about any other white people, but my husband and I are voting for Obama. Rmoney scares the bejesus out of me.

SpartanDem

(4,533 posts)
14. When talking about the white vote you need to do it by you region
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 11:59 PM
Nov 2012

In MS, Mccain got 90 of the white vote I'd suspect you'd find similar numbers for Mitt and that really skews national polls.

DarleenMB

(408 posts)
15. I hate being lumped into a category ...
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 12:15 AM
Nov 2012

My DH is a 71yo white male and a long-ago reformed Republican. He is about as avid a supporter of Barrack Obama as you can get (next to me that is).

Not everyone over the age of 60 is stupid or easily misled.

The sad, SAD fact is that a good chunk of the American citizenry are uninformed, ill educated and LIKE it that way.

codjh9

(2,781 posts)
19. Yes, your last sentence is so true, and so sad & pathetic. A lot of people don't want to be BOTHERED
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:06 AM
Nov 2012

with the facts! About almost anything! They'd rather go back to the football game or whatever, and just 'keep the gummint off my back' (as if it's 'on' all of our backs anyway).

SmileyRose

(4,854 posts)
16. he doesn't have all of them
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 12:19 AM
Nov 2012

I know an awful lot of middle aged white guys who think Willard should go eat a bag of dicks.

Response to pampango (Original post)

codjh9

(2,781 posts)
18. Hey, I'm a white middle-aged guy too, from TX originally, no less, and I've NEVER voted for the
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:04 AM
Nov 2012

Repukes. And never will. I can't even imagine a set of circumstances that would lead me to do so.

 

Democratopia

(552 posts)
23. Because (the people we are talking about) as I say live in a place called Fear
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:38 AM
Nov 2012

They are scared that the country is going to be overrun by people who are a different skin color to them.

They are scared of people with funny names.

They are horrified that the president is a funny color, with the middle name that is the same as a middle-eastern dictator.

They are scared of the communists.

They are horrified that the president is a communist.

They are scared of socialism.

They are terrified to see America is being turned into a socialist state.

They are scared of Marxism.

They are frightened that Obama is destroying the economy with his Marxist agenda.

They are scared of gays.

They are horrified that the president is on the side of gays.

They are scared that gays in the military will endanger us all.

They are petrified that gays are marrying, destroying the sanctity of marriage.

They are frightened that the communist is destroying America.

They are afraid that the president is a foreigner.

They are scared that 'foreigners' are taking their jobs.

They are terrified that the richest people who make all wealth will have to pay more tax.

They are scared of all the liberal conspiracy theories like global warming, a communist plot.

They are scared of world government that is going to control America.

They are horrified of what is happening to their nation.

They are scared the nation is going to go bankrupt.

They are afraid of the mainstream media with its liberal agenda.

They are scared that their nation's defenses are going to be eroded by socialists.

They are scared that their freedom is going to be taken away, like their right not to buy health insurance.

They are afraid for Israel.

They are scared, so scared they typically buy guns, and sleep with one next to them.

They do not realize that it is the Republicans who are propagating their fears, by playing into their prejudices and the worst aspects of the human condition. They have been told by Republicans to be afraid, day after day after day.

They vote Republican because Republicans are the very antithesis of the Democratic Party. Everything they have been told to hate can be seen in Democrats. Democrats want to destroy America, by bringing about change that would magnify their fears and turn their fears into reality.

When asked to explain WHY they disagree with Democrats, they cannot give specific reasons because it is all fear based, at an emotional level, not intellectual. When asked what values of the Republican Party they share, typically they can give no answer, because these fears are paramount to policy.

They would never say they want children to be without health insurance, but they have been told to be afraid of a policy that would do that, as it takes away their freedoms. They would never say they don't want help for the poor, but they have been told that is evil socialism - redistribution of wealth.

They would be angry at the suggestion, but Republican messaging neatly wraps every policy up in a parcel of fear, and that is why it is impossible to have a rational conversation with a hard-line Republican. They cannot articulate their rationale, because their is no rationale. It is all based on fear.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
25. Excellent list. "A place called Fear" is where republican voters live. And their politicians
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 06:41 AM
Nov 2012

know that the more people they can get to live in Fear, the more votes they will get in the next election. So they peddle the fear card as often as possible.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
35. it's also hate
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 08:12 AM
Nov 2012

the pols and preachers peddle hate and appeal to the inner nastiness of their sheeple. It's hate and ignorance combined. Fear factors into it, but do they truly fear communism or socialism or funny names? Do they even know what socialism is?

No, they HATE what they don't know and don't understand, and they have no desire to learn (WILLFUL IGNORANCE). And (with few exceptions: Condoliar Rice, Herman Cain, Clarence Thomas...) they hate "non-white" people (Blacks, Hispanics, Arabs...) and those who think differently from them.

Fear is a more benign excuse, but hate is the real deal.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
24. My sane white BNL is going to cancel out my crazy bagger sister's vote on election day! BWAHAHA!!
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:46 AM
Nov 2012

I think it's that he blows all the dogwhistles that have nothing to do with being white for many.

They believe that the only way to succeed in business and life is to llve like Romney. Really, they do believe that.

The others that will never be like Romney either in business or personal lives, and know it, are just batshit racists.

a la izquierda

(11,797 posts)
26. Sigh. My husband is a 38 year old white guy, voting for Obama.
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 06:48 AM
Nov 2012

For one thing, he respects me and my rights as a woman.
For another, we're solidly middle class (as is the rest of his family, but they're of the belief that middle class-Dom is only temporary and that they're really millionaires).

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
27. Broadbrush statement.
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 06:58 AM
Nov 2012

A lot of white males are voting for Obama. Okay, less than half white males, but there are still a lot of them voting with their reason and critical thinking.

But the article makes some valid points, however.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
38. Like the 3rd to last paragraph?
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:02 AM
Nov 2012
Here, Romney is speaking fluent White. In white people's political English, "personal responsibility" is the opposite of "handouts," "food stamps," and particularly "welfare," all of which are synonyms for "niggers." This was Ronald Reagan's rallying cry, and it was the defining issue for traumatized post-Reagan white Democrats. Like George Wallace vowing not to be out-niggered again, the Democratic Leadership Council and the New Republic and Bill Clinton made Ending Welfare as We Know It the policy centerpiece of the 1990s.


The broadbrush use of 'white' continues through the article, and by the end, it's not just about voting for Romney, it's about being racist. The title is milder than the content of the article.
 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
42. I wonder if constantly labeling white men as
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:09 AM
Nov 2012

Racists, sexists, and general ignorant bigots en masse every election is helping to win them over to the
Democrats.


chemenger

(1,593 posts)
39. I'm an old white guy and the very thought of voting for a Republican ...
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:35 AM
Nov 2012

let alone voting for Mitt Romney ... nauseates me.

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