Romney staff refusing to let frostbitten children leave PA rally (UPDATED)

[RandySF]

UPDATE: I am seeing additional tweets about people begging to leave so they can use the bathroom. Not being let out. More than I can post.



This is happening right now at Mitt Romney’s rally in Pennsylvania. Apparently it’s freezing, and Romney’s staff is refusing to let rally-goers leave. People are begging reporters for help.

Absolutely incredible.

Michael Barbaro ?@mikiebarb
"We've got to get out! My daughter is frostbitten," begs mom, asking to leave Romney rally. Staffer replies: "It's not cold enuf for that."

http://americablog.com/2012/11/romney-staff-refusing-to-let-frostbitten-children-leave-pa-rally.html

[meadowlark5]

1. This can't be true, can it?

If it is, how pathetic and psychopathic is that? I hope this gets spread around all over twitter and FB. God knows the media would never dare utter this on tv.

[donnasgirl]

54. What was it

They called the President,it sounds a little like a hitler or stalin move to me.

[freshwest]

119. The twitter name is Jackie Kucinich? Isn't that a rather unusual name? Would like to see more...

But if it's true, OMG, just think what the mentality of these goons is.

After watching video of the Ryan meeting with the elderly man trying to speak and gettting arrested and forced to the floor crying in pain.

Then Ryan joking about his blood pressure medicine and the supporters laughing about it.T

This would be too much.

[TahitiNut]

126. Dennis Kucinich's daughter, Jackie, is a reporter with USA Today. A good one, at that.

Good genes.

[freshwest]

130. I believe it, then. I love Dennis. We need to get this going by kicking, whatever! Thanks.

[KamaAina]

208. I miss Dennis.

Why isn't he on MSNBC? If they have a quota on ex-congressmen, ditch Morning Joke and bring on Dennis!

[freshwest]

210. Easy answer, the corporate media refuses to listen to him. I met him, was very impressed.

A steady New Deal Democrat, and despite differences on how to get things done, a strong Obama supporter. He still comes out here at times, but I'm not able to make those fast meets. He's not going to be gone from poliitcal life altogether as he's involved in a group of some kind. He's a free spirit, gone in and out of public service, to find his own path. He has a fan base, but it will be difficult to get another go in office. I wish him the best.

[cui bono]

157. Where is the Ryan video of which you speak? I'd like to see that.

Recent?

[freshwest]

161. I'll look for it and post it here for you. Disturbing thing.

[freshwest]

169. Paul Ryan Cracks Joke As 71 Year-Old Citizen Is Forced To The Ground (VIDEOS)

Update: The name of the man pushed to the ground is Tom Nielsen. Read about who he is here.**

The first video is self-explanatory, but I have transcribed as much of it here as possible because of the poor quality of the audiovisuals. This took place last fall at one of Congressman Rep. Ryan’s “Pay to Play” town hall meetings where he was discussing cutting Senior’s Social Security, and Medicare as a means of debt reduction. As you might imagine, one senior was not pleased.

Ryan: “Most of our debt in the future comes from our entitlement programs.”

Senior citizen: “Hey, (Garbled; Ryan continues to speak). I paid into that for 50 years, my unemployment and my Social Security and my Medicare, and now you’re gonna…” At this point you hear the police who are dragging him out shouting, “on the ground, on the ground”.

Ryan then jokes, “I hope he’s taken his blood-pressure medication”, and the room laughs with him.

Here’s the video:

Dramatic video: 71-year-old taken to the Ground for questioning Paul Ryan

As Congressman Paul Ryan cracked a joke about him, Tom Nielsen found himself face down on the floor being handcuffed by police. The 71-year-old retired plumber from Kenosha was thrown to the ground, placed in handcuffs, and arrested for trespassing and resisting arrest after objecting to Ryan's plans to gut Social Security and Medicare during his congressman's only public appearance scheduled during the August recess -- a $15 Rotary Club luncheon in West Allis on Tuesday.

Nielsen repeatedly told police that he wasn't fighting them and that he didn't want to make any trouble. He also told them several times that he had a broken shoulder. Police officers ignored his comments as they wrestled him to the ground despite his howls of pain.

Nielsen's comment to Ryan at the luncheon, his arrest, and Ryan's joke are all captured on video available here.

More at the link:

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/08/11/paul-ryan-cracks-joke-as-71-year-old-citizen-is-forced-to-the-ground-videos/

**Who Was Paul Ryan’s 71 Year Old Victim?

Here's the worst of it, but there is more at the link:

What he saw at the luncheon was very different from what he expected. Two people found themselves under arrest for speaking out at the luncheon and Tom watched in dismay as 20 others were forcefully escorted out.

Tom watched as protestors were removed and listened to Ryan make smart remarks about the protesters such as, “We can get her a “to go” bag!” and “What’s unique and exciting about this is that the Rotarians got 15 bucks out of them!”

Tom decided to speak up when he heard the Congressman use the word “entitlements” referring to his hard-earned benefits despite the fact that he had a broken clavicle from a recent automobile accident.

Tom found himself forced to the ground by the hired officers who paid no heed as he howled in pain due to his broken clavicle. Tom maintained that he informed police officers repeated that he was not fighting with them and that he had a broken shoulder. He was still man-handled to the ground where he howled with pain from the assault upon his broken clavicle.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/08/13/who-was-paul-ryans-71-year-old-victim/

In keeping with the 4 paragraph rule, I've only put 4 per link. I'll make another reply for you in a minute. They're also going over this exact same story that is in the OP. It's getting legs.

[Care Acutely]

177. Good god. I hope a really GOOD lawyer

helps that man.

[freshwest]

180. Check below. There's more. And I'll be posting from the link on how this story in PA is taking off.

[freshwest]

179. Another video from the same link:

Ryan has a history of being booed and hissed at Town Hall meetings. He has told folks to leave and he progressed to having them arrested. Here’s a video by Moveon.org showing three other people arrested for asking about jobs at the same gathering:

Paul Ryan "Townhall" Arrests

Rep. Paul Ryan's only August appearance is at this $15 a ticket "townhall", where he refuses to speak directly with his constituents--who are demanding real answers. Instead? He has them arrested. Call Rep. Ryan and tell him: That's not how we do things in America.

From the Addicting Info link:

None of those arrested have yet identified themselves publicly. It’s embarrassment enough that the arrests happened at all…for asking questions of their elected representative.

Rep. Ryan has refused to address his constituents in the past and at this particular meeting, which was held at Klemmer’s Banquet Hall in Milwaukee, Ryan charged $15 to attend. When some who had paid their money stood up and began to question Ryan about the jobless rate and the Bush Tax cuts, they found themselves under arrest.

To make a joke as a senior citizen is being shoved to the ground for vocalizing their concerns and questions to their Congressman Representative reveals much about Ryan’s character. In the last video, he actually waves to the reporters who are shaming him and the police officers for arresting people for no cause.

Since this is the man Romney picked as his running mate, it speaks volumes about Romney’s character as well.


http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/08/11/paul-ryan-cracks-joke-as-71-year-old-citizen-is-forced-to-the-ground-videos/

Make you own judgment about the kind of man Ryan is. He says that Ayn Rand is is the reason he got into politics to change things. He claims also to be a Catholic, but I don't know any Catholics who would follow Ayn Rand. Her works are required reading for staff.

She admired a notorious serial killer, William Hickman, and her first novel was based on his character. He decapitated a young girl that he was blackmailing her father for ransom, and after getting the money tossed her head out the window of his stolen car. She called him the Superman, who cares for no one but himself.

She gushes about how much freedom that is. She used the terms 'producers' and 'parasites' which is equivalent to the political terms, 'job creators' and 'leeches.' She said that helping the poor is immoral, that they are destined to be taken out, used by the superior people. She hated Christianity. She was a drug addict who ended up in her final years despite her hatred for social programs, was taken care of by Social Security and Medicare.

Since Ryan has used the term 'takers' to describe the 47%, but when called on his idolizing Rand by Christian groups, including Catholics who decried his budget, he claimed it wasn't that important now. I believe these videos and stories, with his disdainful attitude, show that is exactly what the man is into and wants to inflict on America.

His fake story about an auto accident to Biden was meant to be a poke at Biden's own personal grief, when his own wife and daughter were killed. I saw the look on their faces in the debate, Ryan thought he would put Biden off. It didn't work.

I reallly don't trust these guys to do the right thing, you know?

[cui bono]

189. Thanks for posting. How do these thugs have anyone on their side at all

when this is how they treat the people they are supposed to be representing? These town halls are crazy!

[freshwest]

190. There are vicious people in communities that support this. Having had to deal with some of these

Tea Party types in person, I can tell you that can be frightening. They will go out of their way to harm in any way they can a person who doesn't agree with them, as we've seen in WI that they found people through Facebook and public record and go after them in person, breaking windows, threatening assault, their jobs, and organizing to destroy them socially.

In public, they are often on the verge of violence, with no respect for others at all. They see many groups as enemies. This is from listening to hate radio for over twenty years has done. What people in the past would never do, they do openly to shut other people up.

As far as the idea that Ryan is not showing consideration for theese voters, they don't consider them important. They don't consider these people to be of any value to the Randian world they want to create. Their contempt is strong, they enjoy this.

Surveying these things, that are taking place in every state, not just around this election, is why perhaps some prefer to take cheap shots at Democrats and people in D.C, as if they can wave a magic wand to make things right on the state level. The trouble is on the state level and must be dealt with there and it's financially, socially, emotionally and physically risky .

People like Ryan were elected and have held office and if he doesn't win as VP, he will still be preaching his brand of fascism with the help of media. The Democratic opposition has traditionally organized around public workers and unions and that is who they have attacked the most. It's been like watching a fascist overtake. Or a hostile takeover, as some have described it.

With Obama reelected and a Democratic majority, and a push to gain back some parity in local and state offices, we can a voice again. But at this point, they've cut us off.

[calimary]

213. Links aren't working. Were they taken down?

Guess paul lyin' ryan doesn't want us to see them?

[freshwest]

220. No, they are working. Are you seeing the box with the exclaimation point?

I had this happen during the DNC convention. It's because the site is busy. Check again later. Or search them out to watch thorugh the Addicting Info link.

They are not taken down, no one has permission to do so because the source is not commercial. The GOP has taken down those links that are from commercial broadcasts to stop them being seen, claiming copyright. These are still there on youtube.

If you can't see them through the other website (which has been busy and loading slower due to the election interest) let me know and I'll post a separated link that you can combine and paste to see it on youtube directly.

DU is at Level 1, may be moving to Level 2. I hope we dont't get all the way there in the next day or so, the Admins will be busy keeping us going. Although youtube nearly crashed from the number of viewers during the convention!

[freshwest]

183. Being carried on other websites, and not just the USA Today reporter, but NYT:

People Literally Held Hostage At Romney Rally, Despite Complaints Of Frostbite

Is this really happening? Last night, three reporters from three different major U.S. news outlets tweeted that attendees of a Romney rally were prevented from leaving, causing people to push through barricades:

From a USA Today reporter:

There are several people here at Pa. rally who want to leave and aren’t being let out. — Jackie Kucinich (@JFKucinich)

That is cited in the OP., as well as this at the same link:

From a New York Times reporter:

“We’ve got to get out! My daughter is frostbitten,” begs mom, asking to leave Romney rally. Staffer replies: “It’s not cold enuf for that.”

— Michael Barbaro (@mikiebarb) November 4, 2012

What is not in the OP is here:

From a CBS News reporter:

As @mittromney speaks, many people- cold, old, w/children… All rushing out of barricades, right by press riser — Sarah Boxer (@Sarah_Boxer) November 5, 2012

...In less than 2 days, our next president will be decided. On one side, we have a proven incumbent with nothing to hide. On the other, we have millionaire tax dodger Mitt Romney, who not only thinks 47% of Americans are victims, but also is riding on the crest of the biggest election spending tsunami in history. And Sheldon Adelson, the biggest donor to the biggest conservative SuperPAC, is the man who might ultimately decide the election …

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/11/04/people-held-hostage-at-romney-rally/

[Anthony McCarthy]

2. Illegal imprisonment

I assume those people are now former supporters. Let's hope so.

[MissDeeds]

63. Really

Isn't being held against your will illegal? I hope the media gives this massive coverage. Absolutely sickening that this can happen.

[K-Matt]

166. the Jim Jones approach

[jeffsainio]

224. felony under § 2902

False imprisonment.

§ 2902. Unlawful restraint.
(a) Offense defined.--A person commits an offense if he
knowingly:
(1) restrains another unlawfully in circumstances
exposing him to risk of serious bodily injury; or
(2) holds another in a condition of involuntary
servitude.
(b) Grading.--
(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), an offense
under subsection (a) is a misdemeanor of the first degree.
(2) If the victim of the offense is an individual under
18 years of age, an offense under subsection (a) is a felony
of the second degree.
(Dec. 30, 1974, P.L.1120, No.361, eff. imd.; Dec. 20, 2000,
P.L.721, No.98, eff. imd.)

[central scrutinizer]

90. If they willingly went to a Rmoney event,

they are obviously not the sharpest knives in the drawer. This maltreatment probably didn't affect their voting preference.

[AgingAmerican]

131. They are getting a taste of what they are voting for

Humans are expendable props and wage slave robots in their warped world.

[freshwest]

137. +1

[dixiegrrrrl]

171. Hopefully a LOT of folks there just had an epiphany about who to vote for.

[BREMPRO]

195. +47

[Kalidurga]

3. Well that's a guarantee to win their hearts, minds, and a vote...

I would go home and find out how to support Team Obama after something like that.

[zbdent]

4. Seriously, you would think that

some Repug would have had the thought ... "SPACE HEATERS" ...

[Spitfire of ATJ]

43. Naw,...that costs money....

Besides,...they should all be "rugged individualists".

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. Easy peachy and I would have done it already

Call 911

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

18. Good point.

They can't legally be held against their will.

Dial 911 - or start yelling and protesting, then they would be escorted out.

[mopinko]

134. yup.

or the fbi.

[durablend]

6. How long until they whip out the fire hoses and start spraying the crowd? n/t

[HereSince1628]

7. Forget frostbite...is holding people against their will is legal in PA?

Current weather in PA looks to be mid-30s to the 40's, could be pretty miserable for people not dressed for it.

[eShirl]

75. it sounds like the definition of False Arrest, iirc

[LisaL]

8. They should make a run for it anyway.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

9. Is this a political rally or a prison camp?

This will really get the Keystone state to vote for RMoney - hold the voters and their kids prisoner in the cold.

[Ilsa]

10. I would ask him for his name and position

with the campaign, then I'd threaten to sue him for illegally detaining me there.

[DollarBillHines]

11. I think it's a security issue.

They can't go out thru the entrances, but should be able to leave thru other (emergency) exits.

[mrmpa]

57. No it's not a security issue..............

I attended President Obama's speech at Carnegie Mellon this past summer. You entered through the metal detectors. If you wanted to leave, you didn't leave through the metal detectors, but to the right or left side of them. Leaving is never a problem, or a security issue, because if you want to get back in, you go to the end of the line and reenter through the metal detectors.

If what I'm reading is correct, that people were not allowed to leave, then it appears that Romeny's campaign workers were blocking the exits.

This story reminds me of the reason I can't swim. I was at the public swimming pool, when the lifeguards locked all the exits and told us no one could leave until they swam the length of the pool. I was sitting in the bleachers, when it came time to be called to start my swim, i began to cry and shiver so uncontrollably my nose began to bleed. When the lifeguard saw my face full of tears and blood, he skipped me, but wouldn't let me leave.

[yardwork]

64. I'm sorry that happened to you. People do a lot of stupid things.

I have no idea why some people think that the best way to teach children to swim is to torture them. When I was learning to swim many people thought that the best way was to throw children into the deep end of the pool and let them struggle.

I was fortunate to be taught to swim by a real swim coach. He could be overbearing but he understood that children need to be introduced to water gradually and gently.

[mrmpa]

187. Thank you..........

I think I added the swim lesson story, to show how extreme the danger can be of not allowing people to leave, especially children.

[yardwork]

216. Anything that coerces or controls people is counter-productive.

The fact that Romney and his advisers don't know that is actually scary. The man is a sociopath.

[CoffeeCat]

147. There have been reports in the media...

...of people leaving Romney's events--during his speech and even before he speaks (after the entertainment is through). I am sure this displeased King Mitt and he decided to make it policy that no one could leave his rally until he was finished speaking.

Think I'm joking? I'm serious. People leaving while you are speaking is bad for PR. They're desperate and that's the last thing they want.

I've also seen stories on FR, of people making fun of Obama because people were leaving his rallies early. It's no big deal. It's cold in many of these swing states--Iowa, Ohio, Minnesota, Michigan, PA. Leaving early is not a personal attack on the speaker. Sometimes people have to leave.

Freepers are the ones who have a problem with it.

I think the Karl Rove wing of the party has helped to mandate that NO ONE leaves a rally until it's over--to avoid anything less than the, "We're gonna win because everyone loves us!" meme that they're trying to project.

I will wait to hear more info. If this happened, more witnesses will come forward. This is utterly ridiculous.

[salin]

66. Could be, but am guessing it has more to do with the very bad PR received

earlier today about the many people leaving a rally yesterday, and the presumed "lower enthusiasm" that it reflected.

It has to do with perception (message) management. And a disregard for actual people.

[yardwork]

67. That sounds typical of Romney.

He was probably enraged when people left his rally early. I can see him telling his staffers not to let anybody leave the next rally. He's a sociopath.

[DollarBillHines]

72. Good points...

When Kid Rock is kicking your ass, it's time for some Fire Control.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

112. Lots of people left the Westchester Romney rally after Kid Rock performed and before Romney spoke.nt

[SomethingFishy]

217. Can't be.. there is fire code..

You cannot gather a large amount of people in an enclosed area without exits, and you cannot block those exits, in case of emergency.

[Anthony McCarthy]

12. I'd call the cops

I do believe it is illegal.

[kestrel91316]

25. It certainly is, I think in all 50 states. Something called

false imprisonment comes to mind. Perhaps it is even considered kidnapping.

And it's great fodder for civil lawsuits in addition to criminal charges.

[WheelWalker]

113. Kidnapping.

[TahitiNut]

128. Yup.

It is.

[avebury]

49. Agreed! nt

[Warpy]

215. Nah, remember EST?

It sounds more like an EST meeting where participants were held captive and goons refused to let anyone duck out to a bathroom while King Shit (whoever he was) was speaking.

Corporate types adored EST.

[niyad]

13. can these bastards be brought up on child abuse charges?

[sammytko]

14. Watching it on cspan. people leaving with kids bundled up in blankets

even the people behind mitt were getting out of the bleachers.

[barnabas63]

23. link?

I don't see it on cspan.org

[ejbr]

41. Here's a snippet

http://www.c-span.org/Events/Mitt-Romney-Campaigns-in-Pennsylvania/10737435600-1/

[Spitfire of ATJ]

48. LOL!!!!

He pulls up in a heated bus???

And then they ask for a "warm welcome"!!!

[ejbr]

56. Well, if you don't ask

you'll never receive!

[crunch60]

132. Romney and Queen Ann have their own "Pope mobile" they are

preparing for the white house. Couldn't get the picture to post, but if you google pope mobile, you will see a picture of it passing the white house, to funny.

[beac]

102. Holy crap!

Mittens and the Duchess arriving in the bus


"Frozen Peasants, bow down before your toasty warm overlords!"

[MgtPA]

105. Wait, am I hearing boos??

[Glimmer of Hope]

111. I heard them too when the Queen was speaking.

[MgtPA]

118. LOL!

[TahitiNut]

135. I think some are yelling "Show us your BOObs!"

Not sobered up from Mardi Gras, it seems.

[MgtPA]

154. They must have imported some guys from Philly

Bad move...

[nc4bo]

124. They did NOT use that music did they? OMG talk about drama queens Bwahahahaha

Did he just say Philadelphia?

Oh lawd - oh gawd - I am going to hurl.

[SmileyRose]

181. the booer got close enough yo the mics

Surprised the goon squad didn't usher them out

[MgtPA]

186. Sounded to me like there was a whole group of booers

Even the chants of USA! USA! couldn't drown them out.

[frogmarch]

205. What was with the triumphant fanfare music?

I'd like to see the same video with Benny Hill's theme song.

[sammytko]

45. I was watching it on satellite CSPAN1 - road to the white house

[CoffeeCat]

155. If you look behind Mittens--at the beginning of that speech, then fast forward...

....toward the end, you will see that 70 percent of the people behind him left before it was over.

It was damn cold.

People in the crowd should have been able to leave when they wanted. I sincerely hope these stories of forced stays are misunderstandings.

Seriously though...I'm sure it angered Mitt to see people leave when he was talking. I can only imagine his outrage and indignation, "I'm talking peasants!"

[cui bono]

164. Yeah! You can see it thinning out if you just jump forward a few minutes at a time.

Doesn't take long at all for them to start leaving. As if they just wanted to see him then they were done. Or they realized they were at the wrong rally when he came up to the podium.

[Historic NY]

15. They should call 911 - Romney needs a captive audience.

[hockeynut57]

16. have they brought out the brown shirts and dogs yet? nt

[GitRDun]

30. Now THAT is funny!

[crunch60]

138. If he gets elected, that's just what we'll be seeing. nt

[Summer Hathaway]

17. Hmmm ...

Smells like lawsuit time.

[OKNancy]

19. next tweet

Michael Barbaro ?@mikiebarb
To be clear. Staffer said that to reporters. Not to mother.

---------------

Ashley Parker ?@AshleyRParker
To be clear, the people asking to leave were delayed because of security concerns -- not bc of a Romney staff decision.
Retweeted by Michael Barbaro

[Spazito]

31. What security concerns could they have?

People leave, they don't get back in, I can't see what possible security concerns there could be to simply let people leave if they want to. It doesn't make sense to me.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

114. Security? Nonsense. When people leave an event you have fewer security problems, not more. nt

[Cha]

20. WTH are they even do in PA?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

55. Giving a speech that says speeches don't matter.

[AllyCat]

21. Gotta look good for the cameras. Can't have people leaving after

the entertainment like they did at Kid Rock rally.

[gristy]

22. It's not cold enough for them to have frostbite

Granted, they ought to be allowed to go. But they don't have frostbite.

[Anthony McCarthy]

24. From hypocrite to hypothermia

[yardwork]

36. Are we surprised that people who would bring their children to a Romney rally are hysterical liars?

[TahitiNut]

140. Are you saying it's not "LEGITIMATE frostbite"??

I see.

[Barack_America]

141. !

Well played.

I would also point out that some people have vasospastic disorders (such as Raynaud's disease) that make them more easily prone to frostbite.

-Barack_America, MD

[TahitiNut]

206. Folks get fussy about causes of necrosis ...

... delaying treatment of necrosis as well as idiocy.

[bluesbassman]

149. **snort**

Perfect.

[animalcrackers]

26. I just hope they are all right

wtf, Romney rallies need Fema support?

[cui bono]

165. hahaha!

[meow2u3]

27. Are these guys rallygoers, or hostages?

It seems as if Robme's staff was holding them hostage. False imprisonment, if you ask me.

[bluestate10]

28. And those people are still going to vote for Romney? How dense can a person be? nt

[Coyotl]

29. Well, call the police and lodge a complaint, FCS!

I wonder if this is true or not. Sounds too ludicrous to be for real.

[jimlup]

32. It shows clearly what the Republicans think of "the masses"

People to them are just props in their show nothing more. God help us if this man is elected by crook on Tuesday.

[justiceischeap]

33. Wonder how many people will decide not to vote for him? nt

[WinkyDink]

34. OJ went to prison for such behavior.

[fishwax]

35. wtf?

[BootinUp]

37. Way to win votes Mitt!

for Obama I mean!

[proud2BlibKansan]

38. If this was an Obama rally, the wingnuts would be saying we are getting what we deserve

But since I'm not heartless, I'm not going to say that. At least not out loud.

[rbrnmw]

39. They sure know how to keep it classy huh?

: sarcasm :

[berni_mccoy]

40. It's illegal to hold people against their will.

[Junkdrawer]

42. Pharoah! Pharoah! Let my people go!

[psychmommy]

136. Dang he has a sexy singing voice.

[Junkdrawer]

143. He was a great human being....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Robeson

I can imagine that if DemocracyNow covered this story, this would be the segue music...

[littlemissmartypants]

44. Is it not more of a security concern if they stay and are agitated?

http://americablog.com/2012/11/romney-staff-refusing-to-let-frostbitten-children-leave-pa-rally.html

[Care Acutely]

77. Remember to tell your friends & neighbors lady

and remember to vote for OBAMA on Tuesday.

[nc4bo]

46. What in the name of hell is going on at that event????

[Raine]

47. Must not have people leave, would look bad on camera. nt

[Brickbat]

50. Frostbite? It's 43! Toughen up, cupcake!

[progressivebydesign]

89. the frostbite may have been hyperbole BUT if there is wind chills.. maybe.

Plus, in 43 degree weather, you would absolute have the chance of losing the feeling in your feet, etc. Not pleasant. And for me, who is prone to Chillblains, it can cause permanent damage if your feet get to that point.

[rightsideout]

51. Obama needs to send in Seal Team 6

To rescue the hostages.

Rethuglicans treat their own like dirt.

I hope these people, once they thaw out, will change their vote to Obama.

[ywcachieve]

129. LOL

[crunch60]

145. Where the hell is swat when ya need em..

[grantcart]

52. Now that's the guy we want in charge of FEMA.

[MFM008]

53. HELP!!! were being held Hostage at a Romney rally!!!!

whats worse than being held hostage in a chinese laundry?
A R/R rally. They hold a swiss army knife at your throat until you buckle from exaustion.
omg what a picture.

[rbrnmw]

62. Faux headline will be

thousands captivated by romney at pa rally

[Mc Mike]

80. + 1000! nt

[malachi]

200. Sad, but true,

the local fox channel in Philadelphia said that 10's of thousands waited for hours to welocome mitt to lower Bucks county. Lower Bucks in full of the type of people that SHOULD NOT be voting repug, but will anyway.

Also, fuck those morans that went to see rmoney. They and their spawn got exactly what they deserved.

[crunch60]

58. Think you can file kidnapping charges against them if they prevent you

from leaving.

[grantcart]

59. I would call the police. Then I would lay the guy out on the ground.

[silverweb]

60. This better be on every network.

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Unbelievable!

[defacto7]

61. All they want is the photo op.

They can't get that if people leave.

Lawsuit time.

[The Old Creak]

65. Are you fucking kidding me ?!?

[zentrum]

68. I'm sending this to the ACLU right now

If anyone else has more info or better contact with the ALCU you should also send this story to them right away.

It is illegal.

[kerouac2]

69. Lots of people at the end waving flags and cheering too.

just saying... The sheeple in there are his sheeple...

[progressivebydesign]

175. people leaving in droves while he's talking.. angry and cold, according to people there.

http://instagram.com/p/RoI5fCITiM/

[Patiod]

198. I had a college friend who was there

and she posted photo after photo on FB. She was beside herself with excitement. Her husband has Fox "News" on all day, every day.

The True Believers enjoyed it in spite of the cold.

(Although I heard a recording this morning, and couldn't believe he was talking about "raising wages." That goes against everything he and Ryan stand for. The only people making more money under Romney are his own cronies, and they make money by slashing wages.)

[Texasgal]

70. Whoa!

This reminds me of a church in North Texas years ago that was trying to raise funds for a new facility. They wouldn't let folks leave until the money was raised. I remember it raised a huge ruckus.

How sick!

[awake]

71. This story needs to get to our friends at MSNBC

the New York Times....

[pam4water]

73. Weather channel says it low 40s in Morrisville, PA now. Could have hypothermia but probably not

frost bight.

[Javaman]

74. "No one shall leave until fearless leader has spoken!"

It's like the politburo during soviet era when everyone was ordered to clap after the soviet leader spoke yet everyone one was afraid to be the first one to stop clapping so they would have these sessions were the clapping would go on for hours.

[freshwest]

150. Makes sense. He's the Koches' man. Fred Koch was a friend of Stalin and Mussolini. Seig Heil!

Wait, that would be Htiler. Never mind...

[madrchsod]

76. i really doubt this is a true story...

[cali]

79. me too.

[blue neen]

158. Really? IMHO, Jackie Kucinich is a pretty credible source.

She was at the other Romney events today, too.

[brewens]

99. "It's being reported that Romney staffers are refusing to allow....." That's true.

FOX "News" uses that tactic all the time. Once it's out there, we can propagate it, if we want to stoop to their level. I say we go for it.

[MrModerate]

78. Hard to believe that the Romney campaign could be that stupid . . .

And in fact, I don't believe it.

Sounds like, in a crowd of thousands in November in Pennsylvania, some people are going to find it too uncomfortable and also find it hard to extract themselves from said crowd. Especially when security issues are involved.

Look, Romney's enough of a walking disaster on the face of it, we don't have to make stuff up (or, more precisely, believe everything that's tweeted that feeds into our disdain for the guy).

[progressivebydesign]

81. I believe it. Bet that they are BEHIND Romney or on camera.

And they don't want to have a repeat of what has happened at his last two big events.. where everyone left AFTER the musical entertainment.

For those that doubt this to be true, you've obviously never been around a big campaign before.

No way someone is going to tweet that with their name on it.

ON EDIT.. so now they say it's "A SECURITY issue." REally?? people leaving is a security issue??? Bullshit. I'd freak the fuck out if someone wouldn't let me OUT of a giant rally. I'd call 911 for sure. that is total bulllshit. They just don't want anyone to see that ONCE AGAIN people are walking out on the Mighty King Romney.

[freshwest]

153. Upthread, it says Jackie Kucinch, DK's daughter, a USA Today reporter, made the tweets.

That's the name at the link in the OP. I don't see why she'd want to make this up. I can easily see Mitt with all his phony campaign stops, so clearly fraudulent, and the coverage by media of how people left after the concert with Kid Rock, plus his phony photographs, might very well do just this for appearances. But if wasn't her, a fake account, woe is us.

[MadrasT]

82. Yeah sorry. It is not that cold in PA tonight.

I think it's hilarious he is wasting his last Sunday in PA.

Wonder what the real story behind this is. I don't doubt that they might make it diffucult for folks to leave, but it ain't frostbite weather in SE PA tonight.

[WinkyDink]

92. Cold is up to the beholder, esp. if not dressed for the weather.

[progressivebydesign]

95. Plus kids are way more susceptible to cold weather.

I know this from experience. In 30+ degree weather we were all playing with the cousins in the snow. I walked into the van, and proceeding to turn blue and pass out. Everyone else was fine.. I nearly froze to death in 39 degree weather. Everyone is different, especially kids.

[MadrasT]

97. Too cold for kids, if not dressed properly, sure.

But "frostbite" means something, and "frostbite" can't happen when the temperature is above freezing.

People should be allowed to leave, I am just objecting to the hyperbole.

[progressivebydesign]

93. It's 37 in Pittsburgh. You want to tell me that it's okay for a kid to be in that for hours??

Standing? That is cold. It's very cold and unpleasant.

[MadrasT]

98. I said nothing of the sort.

See reply #97.

[Renew Deal]

101. What part of Pennsylvania are you in?

I was in NJ today and it was cold during the day.

[Chemisse]

104. It doesn't matter if the kids were frostbit or the parents were exagerating

People have a right to leave an event if they want to.

[Barack_America]

144. Exactly!

Why are people not getting this?

[grantcart]

152. with wind chill it feels like 36

http://www.weather.com/weather/right-now/USPA1100:1

Without gloves little fingers can get cold.

Also there is a possibility of contagious perception where people start to have symptoms based on what they see.

[SCVDem]

83. The final act of desperation.

Campaigning in Pennsylvania when you are losing!

AMF!

[CoffeeCat]

159. Give Mitt a break...

...he's building a new firewall--Pennsylvania, California, Oregon and Illinois.

[Arugula Latte]

84. Is this like some sort of nutty EST meeting from the 70s?

[drlindaphd]

85. This is just another example of how Romney and his

Minions have no sense of empathy or even the sense that others are human beings. We are just a means to an end. He wants to be president and it does not matter what he has to do. Just imagine what a nightmare life would be if he wins on Tuesday.

These people are my neighbors. I never thought they were this ignorant and vapid

[WillyT]

86. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

[sufrommich]

87. Someone just tweeted: "Well, it looks like the

republicans are going to get that hostage situation they've been hoping for".

[freshwest]

191. Somebody call Fox and make it Obama's fault! Wait, Romney is in charee... Never mind.

[adirondacker]

88. Welcome to the Hotel Romney. "you can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave."

[eqfan592]

91. LOL! That cracked me up, and welcome to DU!!

[adirondacker]

125. Thanks. I'm not "new" here, but have been on a long sabbatical from posting.

so much so, that I forgot my username and passwd.:/ Probably a short time after the Kerry loss. Longtime lurking and enjoy reading DU immensely. Cheers!

[WillyT]

123. LOL !!! - Good One !!!

[KurtNYC]

199. "Etcha Sketchs on the ceiling...

and pink lemon wet good on ice;
and Mitt said "we are 47% prisoners here of our own advice"
In the donor's chambers they gathered for the feast
They spin that vid with their steely lies
but they just can't kill the beast.

(guitar solo)

[MissNostalgia]

94. OMG

[Botany]

96. It might be cold but it is 40 degrees there right now

Although Romney is a dick this sounds like internet rumor

[humbled_opinion]

100. Someone should counsel her

to ger on her cell phone and call 911, report the crime that is occurring.

[Chemisse]

103. If this is true, I bet it's in response to the news that people were streaming out of the last rally

After Kid Rock finished performing.

[CAG]

106. Seriously, why would they care if they leave?? CNN/Faux isn't going to report that the masses are

streaming out anyway?

[wisteria]

107. If there are enough people there, they should provide warmth.

Now, if it is a sparse crowd, it could be cold in the suburbs. Those who went should have thought ahead and dressed for the weather, but then again they are Repubs so they only thing of now. However, they should be allowed to leave if they want to.

[ivanincali00]

109. Poor kids!

They have to be stuck at a RMoney rally and now this!

[OhioBlue]

110. I doubt the staff was preventing people from leaving unless

it was a security concern or their misunderstanding thinking it was a security concern. I've been to 2 Obama rallies. the first one, secret service had us blocked from leaving until the President left - this was a huge one in Columbus so if there was an alternate route, I didn't know about it and it would have been too far to walk and find my way back to the car. The second one was in Mansfield and much smaller. Certain routes were blocked at the order of secret service. A friendly cop told me an alternate route to find my way to my car - and I had google maps on my phone this time.

[cheriemedium59]

115. On CSpan now, Mittens and Queen Ann..

are driving away in a nice warm bus waving to their brain washed/dead supporters..

[Iggy]

116. Ignorant Parents....

I see it ALL the time: parents dragging their tired, crabby kids to all sorts of events where they have NO business being...

My GF and I were at a Cub's game a couple of summers ago-- a young couple sat in the row in front of us with their baby.. kid looked about eight months old. the sun was blazing down.. they had NO hat on the kid, nothing to protect him from the sun.

kid's face was beet red by the end of the game; probably screamed all night in pain.

[Ilsa]

151. Their stupidity is astounding. They

Probably told their friends that they were just getting his base tan going.
Poor child probably got the beginnings of melanoma.

[PossumSqueezins]

117. Obviously God INTENDED for them to get frostbite

So, they need to quit whining and STFU.

[CoffeeCat]

160. You know if it's legitimate frostbite...

...the body has ways of shutting that whole frostbite thing down.

[zwyziec]

120. 30,000 Romney Rally attendees quite pissed off!

Romney arrived some 90 minutes after he was expected and hundreds of people streamed out of the rally as he spoke, angry and cold after waiting at a facility with no bathrooms or hot drinks for sale.

Frostbitten attendees can’t leave Romney rally: “My son is on the verge of hypothermia.” “I feel like a caged animal!”

http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/2012/11/04/frostbitten-attendees-cant-leave-romney-rally-my-son-is-on-the-verge-of-hypothermia-i-feel-like-a-caged-animal/

[chuckstevens]

121. Great Idea!

Wow: This is going to make all those people show up and vote for you in two days! NOT! I'll take any spite votes for Obama that we can get! There will one day be a textbook on Romney 2012, as to how NOT to run a presidential campaign.

[Jennicut]

122. Mittens was running late today and was an hour late to this event.

Per Dennis Kucinich's daughter (who is a journalist). She has been following Romney at his events today. The people were there since 2:00 and wanted to leave after they felt cold. It was about 40 in CT today too but with the wind chill it always feels colder. Not frostbite weather but cold enough. Why would security not let people leave? As a diabetic, if my blood sugar was dropping and I needed to get out of there would security not let me leave? It is utter nonsense.

[Democratopia]

127. Send USA Today your story of how you have been imprisoned

We need to make this a big story

Tell them how you and your family have been frostbitten and kept prisoner just to keep the numbers for the cameras. If we all do it to different papers, this story could go large!

USA Today Contact:


http://www.usatoday.com/contactus/

[skeewee08]

133. Wow!!!

That's insane why would anyone want to go to a Robme rally.....

[ailsagirl]

139. Here's what Jonathan Capehart tweeted:

The Romney rally in PA sounds dramatic...and not in a good way. http://www.democrats.org/news/press/romneys_pa_fantasy_turns_into_disaster

[codjh9]

142. Once a d***, always a d***

These people (Repub. politicians and their 'operatives') are the polar opposite of the 'family-oriented', 'moral', 'values' people they purport to be. And that wasn't necessarily true 50 - or even 35 - years ago. Bush Senior looks like a liberal compared to a lot of these thugs.

[Matariki]

146. If this is true, it sounds like their reaction to reports of people leaving during previous rallies

Like they don't want to have the news report people leaving. Better to have the news report wrongful imprisonment, haha.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251203650

[PATXgirl]

148. If your child gets pneumonia at a Romney rally, don't worry. Obamacare covers that.

[bodudedem2959_lib]

156. fantastic way to win their hearts and minds

assholes

[ck4829]

203. He might also win some fingertips and noses that way too.

[Pilotguy]

162. Who would have thought...

FEMA would need to rescue people from a Romney campaign rally?

[cherish44]

163. Why are these idiots taking their kids to a political rally in freezing cold weather?

[drm604]

167. This is desperation on the part of Romney.

They need those crowds for the cameras. And the last thing they want is more video of people leaving a rally.

So what's their response? Don't let them leave. This is typical. The man sees people as bodies for him to use to increase his wealth and status.

[cui bono]

168. If he was going to have a useless rally in a state he can't win and be late...

he could've come out to CA where people could've kept warm. It was over 90 degrees in SoCal today.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

170. Republican family values

They love fetuses but hate children.

[codjh9]

172. Ha ha! Sad but true. As someone said a few years ago, ...

they're not 'Pro-Life', they're only 'Pro-Birth', because they don't give a shit after that. Head Start? Adoption? Food Stamps? Hell no.

[Democratopia]

173. I have just heard an official explanation why people were not allowed to leave

Apparently, it was decided by health and safety officials that nobody should leave the rally as an outbreak of Romnesia had swept through crowd, and it was feared that it would lead to further contamination.

[progressivebydesign]

174. from various twitter feeds.. Romney still talking, people leaving in droves ANGRY and Cold..

http://instagram.com/p/RoI5fCITiM/


these people are heading out. Apparently Mitt was over an hour late, and people were freezing (it was 37 a few hours ago.) Some man collapsed in the crowd, people couldn't get out to go to the bathroom, or to leave because they were cold.

Makes me wonder if this was another Mitt event with a free musical event at the beginning, but they didn't want everyone leaving like they did for his last two events when everyone started leaving after the music.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

176. Graphic I just did to commemorate this event....

[IMG][/IMG]

[UCmeNdc]

178. Imagine what a Mitt Romney Presidency would be like!

Get the mark or I will lock you up.

[AnnieBW]

182. Don't Let The Serfs Out!

Have to keep them cheering King Willard!

[intheflow]

184. Link doesn't work for me.

I think the server is overwhelmed by people trying to confirm the story. It's a good one, if it can be validated.

[SmileyRose]

185. I'm skeptical

Perhaps told them no re-entry.

[Tumbulu]

188. I read on USA Today's website

that these people were trying to exit into the press area that the Secret Service had secured and so they could not go there. So, perhaps it is being misinterpreted. The people may have been way up in the front or something?

[kooljerk666]

192. Shit, I would have a (fake) seizure............

and used up some of my Andy Warhol fame time.

[tblue37]

193. If someone is at a Romney rally, chances are that voter leans toward him in the election.

I bet this will cost him votes if it is really happening!

[D23MIURG23]

194. That is amazing.

I hope anyone with adverse health effects stemming from this will sue the Romney campaign. They are certainly entitled to.

[rocktivity]

196. Frostbite that can annoy an adult can damage for a child

Last edited Thu Apr 10, 2014, 01:35 PM - Edit history (1)

And while it can inconvenience an adult, dirrahea can kill a baby.


rocktivity

[onecent]

197. That tape of that fella with Ryan NEEDS TO GO VIRAL!!!!!!!!!! My God look

what us seniors will have to face...being laughed at IF WE OBJECT??????JESUS

I DON'T UNDERSTAND why ANYONE A-N-Y-O-N-E would even CONSIDER
voting for R & R...this just baffles my mind and makes me think I'm in another dimension looking in...sort of like through he looking glass...

I am also on PINS AND NEEDLES today...need to find a diversion before I need blood pressue meds..(which I don't need).

[kooljerk666]

201. AT 39 minute in Stephanie Mille & Rude Pundit are laffing at Mitt.......

I am watching the DVR but if you do not have that it will be re aired at noon on Current-TV...........

[Liberalynn]

211. They aren't reairing Stephie today or tomorrow

[kooljerk666]

223. Archive.org has a Steph archive BUT........

the most recent is Nov 2, 2012.

My guess is they stay a few days behind, but it may be up sooner.
Or Nov 2 was friday, todays show may be up any minute.

http://archive.org/search.php?query=%28title%3A%22Liberally%20Stephanie%20Miller%22%20AND%20collection%3Atvarchive%29%20AND%20-mediatype%3Acollection&sort=-publicdate

BTW Archive has a LOT of great music, New Riders of the Purple Sage, Jefferson Starship, 7 Walkers, Little Feat, Grateful Dead.............

and stuff like meet the press from the 60's & much much more, one of my favorite sites.

As soon as I see todays show I will post it on this thread.

[ck4829]

202. Welcome to Romneymerica!

[Crowman1979]

204. And that my friends, is how Romney will treat the workers (and future workers) of america.

[George II]

207. If this is true, it's kidnapping - they should have called the police and had those guys arrested!

[Enrique]

209. if we didn't have child labor laws

he would dock them a day's pay as well.

[Poll_Blind]

212. Honestly, isn't this like hiking into Iran and then bitching when they detain you?

PB

[SomethingFishy]

218. Yup... While I find the whole thing amusing,

I can't figure out why the people who showed up to see Romney expected anything different. This is what they want, to be led by a person who doesn't give a flying fuck if they are freezing or need to use the bathroom.

[oldbanjo]

214. They are treating their sheep like sheep.

[randr]

219. Sounds like hell freezes over at Romney event

I am loathe to admit I have little sympathy for people going to see Romney in the first place.

[lupojohn]

221. Nothing surprises me with Romney or his staff

Just when you think it can't get any lower for him, he finds new ways for that to happen.

[RitchieRich]

222. hmmm. I make fun of people who believe everything they hear on Fox.