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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt's over and done folks, Trump is finished. This is a 2 year sting op.
Yes, Donald Trump is guilty of heinous crimes against America. Yes, he sold our secrets for cash. And yes, the FBI has the proof. People on our side are all up in arms decrying why it took 2+ years for the FBI to recover secret docs Trump kept. Folks, there's a reason they let him keep those docs. Donald Trump is not a smart person. The FBI is the best run organization in the world at what they do. The bad stuff is coming. You've heard this before, I've heard this before, it's going to be a crazy fall and winter, because this time...
Donald Trump is fucked.
CNN chyron: New York Times: GOP members warned by Trump allies to stop aggressive criticism of DOJ & FBI as more damaging info may be coming
It really is over this time. His name will shamed as long as America is a country.
musclecar6
(1,693 posts)Thought will certainly warm the hearts of us Dems if its true, but weve heard that kind of stuff before and it went nowhere. Just rumors as always but lets hope this time it is true so we would all be dancing in the street instead of crying in our beer every time we turn around with the next idiotic dangerous manipulative self serving thing he comes up with.
RussBLib
(9,056 posts)we've never been "here" before.
Things do not happen until they do. Sounds like Confucius.
Hotler
(11,473 posts)cripple the fascist party.
Walleye
(31,141 posts)Bristlecone
(10,144 posts)SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)as a virtue. I wish that wasn't the case, but it is.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)sop
(10,289 posts)Lots of interesting background information about Wiles, DeSantis and Trump:
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3596037-the-most-powerful-republican-you-dont-know/
Susie Wiles has a lot of damaging information about DeSantis' political operation, dirt she could use to help Trump defeat DeSantis in 2024 (if Trump decides to run):
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/editorials/os-op-ron-desantis-ukraine-campaign-contributions-20191022-t6637j3r5vgm5bqsu3lb2ewhgq-story.html
mike3121
(74 posts)Save the FBI Raid on DeSantis until closer to the 2024 election. Let it leak they are looking for Child Porn, that will sink him for sure. Hey, we'll have 87,000 new IRS agents, put them to work.
sop
(10,289 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,771 posts)most will be CPAs and clerks.
sop
(10,289 posts)Surely they wouldn't lie?
Wounded Bear
(58,771 posts)I wouldn't know because I don't watch them.
Yeah, they probably wouldn't lie.
Polybius
(15,519 posts)Or do you have evidence that he committed a crime?
Mariana
(14,863 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,064 posts)The chyron you highlight is kind of a turning point, I think. But I've been wrong before about turning points related to anything tRumpian. It does have a kind of "Let's start edging away now" vibe.
PortTack
(32,819 posts)A cell phone tap, especially considering the info being stored was of the greatest national security. No doubt the feds know a lot..a lot more than we will ever know! And the DOJ will not hesitate to use all they have to take him down.
AllaN01Bear
(18,711 posts)Joinfortmill
(14,499 posts)malaise
(269,263 posts)The Slobfather is going to be indicted and he will be taking down several ReTHUGs and more than a few white supremacists,
Take that to the bank. The end is nigh!😀😀😀
I believe the slobfather will be taking down many with him.
wryter2000
(46,130 posts)We heard the criminal case against his company and Weisselberg is going forward. Also, Leticia James is looking for the "death penalty" of his company. He's been committing tax, insurance, and bank fraud since he got into the business, and it's all coming out now.
I honestly believe he could have gone on his merry way, committing fraud, cheating his contractors, and bilking folks with things like his "university" if he hadn't decided to run for president.
For about 7 years, I've been waiting for the day when he'd regret coming down that escalator, and I think that day arrived this week. It's sweet!
malaise
(269,263 posts)Our Day will Come😀
wryter2000
(46,130 posts)This the road, jack, and don't you come back no more, no more, no more, no more.
yonder
(9,685 posts)Tiocfaidh ár lá
napi21
(45,806 posts)caught though. Maybe his luck has finally run out.
louis-t
(23,309 posts)I really think he's toast. The FBI doesn't do a 2-year investigation to have it go nowhere. There are lots of co-conspirators involved. This ain't going away.
wryter2000
(46,130 posts)There's New York and Georgia.
LuckyCharms
(17,472 posts)RussBLib
(9,056 posts)...can you have over 246,000 posts?! Over 18 years, that's 37 posts per day.
I am in awe of your tenacity.
BTW, I agree with you. It could get really ugly, hopefully.
Lochloosa
(16,082 posts)RussBLib
(9,056 posts)...but just noticed the post count.
Shazayum!
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Myself? I like her very much!
Lochloosa
(16,082 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)But Im sure the season will rev up soon. Good luck in any case!
sarisataka
(18,883 posts)We're going to kick that football
RevBrotherThomas
(838 posts)Treefrog
(4,170 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,254 posts)Still going after the FBI? Haven't been paying attention.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,124 posts)Beetwasher.
(2,985 posts)Marius25
(3,213 posts)I thought Trump would be finished with the Mueller report.
We can't say it's over for him.
He can also run for office from prison FYI.
uponit7771
(90,370 posts).... lethality of a deadly virus.
I would think after that there's no way 77 million people would vote for him cause his ass would be in jail ... not so much
AKwannabe
(5,688 posts)For the donald? Ya think?
oldsoftie
(12,658 posts)It can't be the Clinton "we'll get Jim even if its just lying" crap.
It HAS to be serious violations. I want to see stuff that makes MY neighbors say "Wait, WHAT??"
But I appreciate your optimism.
Scrivener7
(51,080 posts)is NOT big shit. Because big shit in association with those kinds of documents could very well mean lives lost which we might or might not ever hear about.
This terrifies me.
Editing: They're naming the stuff that they found. It's big shit.
calimary
(81,566 posts)We've certainly gotten our hopes up before. More than a few times.
uncle ray
(3,157 posts)certainly after this summers first FBI visit.
maxsolomon
(33,449 posts)It won't be over until he's defeated in 2024.
wryter2000
(46,130 posts)Two years ago, he was still president and legally had access to the material. (Scary enough in itself.) He's been out of office for almost exactly 1.5 years.
Otherwise, I think your OP is spot-on.
wnylib
(21,742 posts)Saboburns
(2,807 posts)Thank you!
Snoopy 7
(530 posts)I heard trump is changing his name to BENEDICT ARNOLD. Look him up you won't be surprised of the comparison.
Bucky
(54,093 posts)Just cause he's a criminal and a Russian agent doesn't mean the Republicans won't celebrate and nominate him. We all saw how quickly the Republican establishment rushed to swallow his distorted, dishonest take on the search warrant. They exploded with how the FBI should be defunded and broken up into tiny subagencies. It's pathetic. Republicans don't even flinch at the outright hypocrisy these days. If anything, this search warrant is a threat to Ron DeSantis. Republicans want to feel persecuted. Nominating Trump gets them there.
As for the "sting", sorry, but the FBI has been in talks with the Trump compound to turn over those papers through peaceful, low-profile, and polite means since February. Calling this search a "raid" is like telling the traffic court judge that the police ambushed you for doing 45 through a school zone.
Breaking:
Trump under investigation of breaking Espionage Act!
former9thward
(32,128 posts)And this is not a sting operation. Link to something credible next time.
Saboburns
(2,807 posts)Link to tweet
?s=20&t=408MKbYbc0DW1SJVEsGX4w
You can apologize whenever you work up to it. I know these things are difficult and take a bit of time.
All the best!
former9thward
(32,128 posts)What that tweet is referencing is boilerplate used on the warrant. When this "sting operation" never happens will you apologize? I doubt it. You have already moved the goalposts back to the "fall and winter". Whenever one of these "Trump is about to get indicted" OPs gets posted the big day is always a few months away. And those few months keep getting pushed back and back.
Saboburns
(2,807 posts)I'm usually not vain, but shit, I'm gonna gloat over this one!
Maggie Haberman
@maggieNYT
The warrant shows the criminal statutes invoked related to obstruction and espionage
Bucky
(54,093 posts)This is an ongoing investigation. There was no "raid". They didn't kick the doors down, they didn't pop through the windows, but they did notify Trump and his lawyers in advance that they would be showing up to retrieve the records Trump's people failed to turn over and apparently lied about.
Everything I stated in my post was correct. No one is disputing that it's about obstruction and espionage.
Skittles
(153,270 posts)yup
I'm curious if you at least agree that Donald Fucking Trump is an absolute piece of SHIT and his fans are seriously FUCKED UP
former9thward
(32,128 posts)I am in favor of facts not crazy speculation. I have been reading gleeful "Trump is finally going down!" OPs and posts since 2015. And not one of the predictions (and supposed inside sources) has proved true. Take that however you want.
Skittles
(153,270 posts)YES INDEED
Saboburns
(2,807 posts)Link to tweet
?s=20&t=moEXlI8GA7uxsST0yKdSEQ
former9thward
(32,128 posts)And will we find out in the fall .... or maybe winter!
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)It ain't over yet.
quaint
(2,593 posts)I'm convinced everything is being handled properly.
Snackshack
(2,541 posts)It is not too late. Midterms are right around the corner and if the GOP gets a majority back in 1 or both chambers they gum all of this up with subpoenas, hearings, lawsuits.
Smackdown2019
(1,192 posts)If does get locked up, foxnews would spin as a kidnapping and his nazified followers would take to the streets.
History is the most important weapon!
That is why we shall NEVER forget history, so it will NEVER REPEAT ITSELF.
This dangerous man prepped his career path by studying Hitler. He hook and line them into a state of obsession of servitude.
As history shows, lock up for temporary term only gives them more time to prepare for the next step. We need to throw away the key in a very cold place like Alaska. Or! Puerto Rico as a very hot miserable place.
Traitor he is, his followers would follow him into hell, thats the said truth!
867-5309.
(1,189 posts)And celebrate if it does
Torchlight
(3,418 posts)Good luck
Xipe Totec
(43,892 posts)Jon King
(1,910 posts)All the damage this family has done for multiple generations. The cycle must stop, the younger Trumps should literally grow up to renounce the Trump name in order to be members of society.
RevBrotherThomas
(838 posts)I'll believe when I see it. As you say, we've heard this all before; from the 1st campaign announcement, lie after lie, scandal after scandal, impeachment after impeachment through today:
"THIS TIME Trump is fucked."
When I hear the gavel go down and he's remanded into custody, I'll believe it.
Not one moment before.
Nululu
(842 posts)There's no way this was a sting operation. I won't be celebrating until he's convicted for his crimes. He must answer for the maimed and dead at the capital coup attempt.
Until then this is just more air.
Link to tweet
?s=20&t=zr87D-27nX2_8UTJEBXEvg
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)Has Trump been charged with ANYTHING? Anything at all? Do you think ALL warrants result in a conviction? Do you know why search warrant's are issued? What came of the FBI search warrant served on Rudy Giuliani in 2019? There was a warrant that lined out statues in his investigation as well. Is he in jail? Has he had a trial? Has he been arrested for anything? Because a warrant lines out statutes does not mean there will be arrests and convictions. I'll wait to celebrate when something actually happens.
Saboburns
(2,807 posts)Or that in the warrant he is being investigated for violating three major laws, INCLUDING OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE, AND BREAKING THE ESPIONAGE ACT, in an ongoing investigation. Cause somehow they got a Federal Judge to grant a warrant agreeing there's probable cause Donnie broke those laws.
Cause, er um, those things really happened.
But whatever, you do you and I certainly won't tell you how to think.
But me, I do what I want!
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)inthewind21
(4,616 posts)Because there wasn't one.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Very busy with rl here, lots of distractions
Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)Last edited Fri Aug 12, 2022, 03:37 PM - Edit history (1)
Death Penalty works for me, and PPV it and give all the proceeds to RAINBOW causes!
Tickle
(2,597 posts)sheshe2
(84,016 posts)He had to pay back Russia for getting him elected. As for Saudi, they paid Jared 2 billion dollars and we the public do not know why. Pretty sure DOJ knows.
Tick Tock.
Joinfortmill
(14,499 posts)wiggs
(7,820 posts)turning our nation, and others, onto the autocracy path has been planned for 45 years. Not Trump specifically of course...but the implementation of certain tools is not an accident nor is it a coincidence: fomentation of hate and polarization; creation of great inequality; consolidation of media outlets; think tanks dedicated to lifting up favored ideas; denigration of education, unions, the 'coasts'; labeling of safety nets and other programs as socialism; changing the american dream from owning a home to owning a mansion;...etc.
These were very expensive, long-planned activities that will not be given up by our own autocrats and those around the world.
When Trump is hobbled politically (and hopefully criminally) we will have to turn our attention to the next narcissist/autocrat/criminal.
SWBTATTReg
(22,196 posts)sheshe2
(84,016 posts)His whole family raked in millions, Jared walked with 2 billion from Saudi alone.
thomski64
(457 posts)...whale shit..
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)stillcool
(32,626 posts)don't get too high, and the fall won't be so hard.
moonshinegnomie
(2,502 posts)the entire party thats supported him needs to be crushed too. obliterated and consigned to the dustbin of history
sheshe2
(84,016 posts)This runs deep and there are so many players involved.
Joinfortmill
(14,499 posts)inthewind21
(4,616 posts)"may have". Just like they reported he "may have" been involved in insurrection. He 'may have" interfered with congress. He "may have cheated on his taxes" he "may have raped women. He "may have" violated the emoluments clause. and and and.... "My have" means jack.
lpbk2713
(42,772 posts)*Most deplorable pResident ever.
MarcoZandrini
(39 posts)The basis for the warrant was the Espionage Act. Let that sink in.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)IbogaProject
(2,853 posts)But the ready to go "it's a Hoax to distract from the New IRS agents" story is holding their side together for now.
obnoxiousdrunk
(2,910 posts)finished but Trumpism will still prevail.
Catherine Vincent
(34,491 posts)zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)I feel like Charlie Brown and the football.
hamsterjill
(15,224 posts)Republicans dont play fair and Im worried about the midterms. Democrats have got to vote in numbers so great they even the Republican cheating cant work.
Blue Owl
(50,554 posts)progressoid
(50,011 posts)And, "FBI is the best run organization in the world at what they do."
???
Also nope.
COL Mustard
(5,957 posts)This guy is so oily that he may very well find a way to wriggle out of this.
He wont be finished until he shuffles off this mortal coil.
cstanleytech
(26,347 posts)A jury I will point out is likely to have at least one Trump worshiping nutjob on it but even if he is convicted he has appeals and if it makes it to SCOTUS I have zero faith in the 6 Republican judges on the court and am willing to bet that they will find a bullshit pretext to throw the case out.
JHB
(37,164 posts)Preferably on more people than Orange Jumpsuitius.
Encouraging, but it's not behind us yet.
Emile
(23,123 posts)off this. I want this traitor locked up until judgement day.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,113 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,407 posts)and that the FBI has proof of that. The order of events you're claiming is unclear, but either:
He sold the secrets after the FBI started the sting (which must have been after Biden became president, because the FBI couldn't mount a sting operation against a sitting president), in which case you're calling them incompetent for not preventing it
or
He sold the secrets first, and then at some point, the FBI mounted your sting operation, to ... what? How does a new sting obtain proof of what he had previously done?
Either way, you're painting (without evidence) a picture of a directionless FBI that mounted a seemingly pointless "sting".
Just to check, please define "sting op".
Joinfortmill
(14,499 posts)Scrivener7
(51,080 posts)I really hope it's true because the alternative would be terrifying.
housecat
(3,121 posts)he will likely die from one or more of the following:
1) inmates will kill him
2) someone else will kill him
3) he won't have drugs
4) he'll starve because he won't have servants and yes-men and women to feed his ego
5) he'll die because he won't win anything, but he will see enemies win