Looks like Jebus is busy tonight

[malaise]

Poor Timmy

[JoePhilly]

1. I'm guessing Jesus is $#%@# exhausted after the 49ers vs Saints game ...

The 4th quarter had one miracle after another!!!!

Jesus is probably taking a nap now.

[malaise]

3. I'm OK with that

but you do know I'm an atheist

[JoePhilly]

21. You might like this ...

[malaise]

27. He should have chosen

Tom Brady 1:14 for tonight

[JoePhilly]

32. hahaha

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

55. You mean 14:1!!! :)

[roguevalley]

48. what an ironic choice of scripture. That one says don't be an exhibitionist

but pray in secret because God sees you in secret. He's baffling to me with this.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

54. Let the church say AMEN!!

What did it for me with this Tebow thing was his anti-choice commercial last year! Added to that, Focus On the Family bought airtime during this game and look what happened.

Jebus is busy, indeed!

[Cannikin]

86. Thats Photoshop...I did the same one yesterday.

[cgnick]

72. Excellent!

[Lint Head]

2. Tebow Bagged again.

[Logical]

4. I am an atheist and Tebow is sort of growing on me.....

he seems like a really nice guy. He is brainwashed about religion but there are worst things to be.

I guess I think he is better than some player club hopping with their 50 person entourage all weekend.

[rhett o rick]

6. I recommend you have it removed immediately. nm

[Neue Regel]

30. People who hate on Tebow usually don't know much about the guy

http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7455943/believing-tim-tebow

Every week, Tebow picks out someone who is suffering, or who is dying, or who is injured. He flies these people and their families to the Broncos game, rents them a car, puts them up in a nice hotel, buys them dinner (usually at a Dave & Buster's), gets them and their families pregame passes, visits with them just before kickoff (!), gets them 30-yard-line tickets down low, visits with them after the game (sometimes for an hour), has them walk him to his car, and sends them off with a basket of gifts. Home or road, win or lose, hero or goat.

Remember last week, when the world was pulling its hair out in the hour after Tebow had stunned the Pittsburgh Steelers with an 80-yard OT touchdown pass to Demaryius Thomas in the playoffs? And Twitter was exploding with 9,420 tweets about Tebow per second? When an ESPN poll was naming him the most popular athlete in America? Tebow was spending that hour talking to 16-year-old Bailey Knaub about her 73 surgeries so far and what TV shows she likes.

"Here he'd just played the game of his life," recalls Bailey's mother, Kathy, of Loveland, Colo., "and the first thing he does after his press conference is come find Bailey and ask, 'Did you get anything to eat?' He acted like what he'd just done wasn't anything, like it was all about Bailey." More than that, Tebow kept corralling people into the room for Bailey to meet. Hey, Demaryius, come in here a minute. Hey, Mr. Elway. Hey, Coach Fox.

Even though sometimes-fatal Wegener's granulomatosis has left Bailey with only one lung, the attention took her breath away. "It was the best day of my life," she emailed. "It was a bright star among very gloomy and difficult days. Tim Tebow gave me the greatest gift I could ever imagine. He gave me the strength for the future. I know now that I can face any obstacle placed in front of me. Tim taught me to never give up because at the end of the day, today might seem bleak but it can't rain forever and tomorrow is a new day, with new promises."


How very Christian of him

[neverforget]

35. He's a great guy and does great things for the disadvantaged.

Just keep Jesus out of football.

[Neue Regel]

40. Why should he keep jesus out of football?

It's a central part of who he is. Should muslims who wear headscarves for religious reasons have to leave mohammad out of their work and not be allowed to wear head coverings when on the job (except for health/safety issues, of course)? Are they not saying "praise allah" by virtue of wearing their head coverings in public?

[neverforget]

43. You're right. It's a game.

Leave Jesus religion out of it.

[joeglow3]

49. Do you say that about award shows, concerts, etc?

People do it all the time in all venues.

[neverforget]

57. Actually I do.

I'm wondering why God isn't with Tebow tonight? Did Brady the Patriots pray harder or what? My opinion is that the Patriots are a better team than the Broncos.

[Neue Regel]

63. It appears you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the role of prayer in football

The prayer isn't generally a request for god to help their team win a football game. The prayers are usually about looking over the team so nobody gets injured, playing your best with the talents god gave you, honoring god while playing, and thanking god for giving you the physical ability to perform at such a high level. No athlete I've ever spoken to actually thought god cared about the outcome of a particular game, or that god was rooting for or helping one team or another. The only people I've ever heard say anything like that are atheists and those who do it in a mocking manner.

[dmallind]

67. Why then pray after good plays?

Why doesn't the hypocrite kneel and gibber to Gawd every time one of his defensive backs gives up a 30 yd pass but escapes uninjured if you are right? Sure looks to me like he thinks the almighty Lord of Creation expects prayers more when his team scores.

[Neue Regel]

69. Why say thank you when you are given a gift?

Why acknowledge others who had a hand in your success?H e could find the nearest TV camera, turn around in front of it and point over his shoulder with his thumb at his name on the back of his jersey, taking full credit for the touchdown/huge play.

[neverforget]

73. I grew up in a Catholic church. All through Confirmation we were told that God knows

what's in your Heart and that when you pray, do it in private. Maybe it was just my Church, but it was the poor and disadvantaged that matter.

If you think I'm mocking him, your mistaken. I find it cringe worthy that he has to wear his Faith on his sleeve like that. With it being so public, he makes it easy for others to mock.

Matthew 6:5-6
5 “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."

[cgnick]

76. Football players would be better suited

by reading their play books instead of the bible and practicing on the feild instead of praying.

[annabanana]

115. So you have insight into exactly what they're praying for?

How do you do that?

[joeglow3]

64. And I bet Tebow would agree with you.

[malaise]

99. And it's that simple

[MattBaggins]

158. Yes

Keep religion out of it.

Don't care what sky being an individual believes in.

[joeglow3]

182. But, it is cool if it is things you believe in or are important to you?

[Hippo_Tron]

83. Bringing Jesus into football isn't the problem

It's the fact that he brings his anti-choice political views into football as well. There's plenty of athletes who are religious and don't do commercials for Focus on the Family.

[malaise]

100. Ding ding we have a winner

[Creideiki]

108. And his self-loathing anti-gay bigotry

Plenty of gay men are religious. They just don't go to bed with Focus on the Family. When they aren't going to bed with other guys.

[Warren DeMontague]

96. I think if any Deity should be allowed into professional sports, it should be Mescalito.

Look what psychedelics did for Doc Ellis.

[Bluenorthwest]

110. The actual reason he should is that Jesus told him to....

The actual teachings of Jesus, not of Tim or his Preacher, say that ONLY hypocrites pray in front of others, and commands his followers to pray only at home, in the most concealed room, with the door shut. Jesus said God does not listen to Tim's 'Show Prayers'. Jesus said that.
So I do take issue with folks who make up a faith, redact the actual teachings and then do as they wish to do, while claiming that what they wish to do ARE the teachings. This is what Tim does: blasphemy.

[neverforget]

119. No that only applies to government.

I don't agree with his in your face Focus on the Family proselytizing.

[roguevalley]

50. this is good to know.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

56. Thanks for this. My response is: the Bible tells us to do these things in secret.

These people are so very hypocritical!!

[Neue Regel]

59. I'm not sure I understand your reply

Are you saying Tebow is a hypocrite for doing these things? It appears he does for the less fortunate exactly what he says people should do for the less fortunate.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

66. Yes!! I absolutely do! I applaud him being devoted to the disadvantaged, but his proselytizing is

against what the Bible asked us to do.

The ad that he and his mother ran was, to me, in poor taste.

As a Christian myself, I praise what he does in his private time, but God asked us to be humble. He needs to stop trying to push his beliefs on others.

I'm sorry, but there's nothing that you can say to me to get me to change my mind on this.

One doesn't have to be a Christian or even profess a religion to do good deeds. Again, I applaud what he does, but keep religion out of it.

[Neue Regel]

75. I'm not out to change your mind on religion

Heck, Tebow's a bit too Jesus-y for me as well. However, there are verses in the bible that encourage followers to spread the word. Take , for example:

"As Jesus was walking beside the Sea of Galilee, he saw two brothers, Simon called Peter and his brother Andrew. They were casting a net into the lake, for they were fishermen. Come, follow me," Jesus said, "and I will make you fishers of men." - Matthew 4:18-19

He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. - Mark 16:15-16

But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth.” - Acts 1:8


One can, with a quick google search, find numerous bible verses to support being discreet about god or telling as many people as will listen. As long as he's walking the walk then preach away. If he behaves like Ted Haggard or Jerry Fallwell then he should be quiet.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

77. I've already responded with what I have to say. Keep religion out of sports. And, one doesn't

have to profess a religion to perform good deeds.

That's the problem line. Tebow and people like him should please keep their personal, spiritual beliefs out of my living room. It would not be tolerated if Tebow were a Muslim or a Jew. Let's be honest about that.

Therefore, the best thing to do is to keep it out of domains where it doesn't belong.

Have a nice evening.

[Drahthaardogs]

105. The problem in this world is not the Tebows, the problem is the Bradys.

Sorry to burst your bubble. Tim Tebow is a good man who does much for others, is softspoken, and tries hard to help his fellow man. Who cares if he happens to be very religious. Tom Brady is a womanizer, a nasty-mouthed playboy, who flaunts his wealth and does nothing for the little people, except leave them in their hour of need to go play with Brazillian super models.. If all so-called "Christians", lived like Tebow, poverty would be much less. Unfortunately most in power act like Tom Brady and his crew breaking out the video camera to steal the plays.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

116. What are you talking about? I didn't say anything about Tom Brady. My bubble, thus, remains intact.

Sorry that you're upset about the game, but don't take it out on me.

[FarCenter]

118. Tom Brady and Gisele Bündchen are married

Brady married Brazilian supermodel Gisele Bündchen on February 26, 2009 in an intimate Catholic ceremony in Santa Monica, California.[69][70] On June 19, 2009, reports surfaced that Bündchen was pregnant.[71] On September 11, 2009, Brady confirmed to ESPN that they were indeed expecting, and that Bündchen was due in December 2009.[72] On December 8, 2009, Bündchen gave birth to the couple's first child together, a son.[73] On December 18, 2009, Bündchen posted a message on her website indicating that their son's name is Benjamin.[74] In the April 2010 issue of Vogue magazine, Bündchen confirmed that his name is Benjamin Rein Brady and that his middle name is a shortened version of her father's name Reinoldo.[75] They christened their 6-month-old son Benjamin in Santa Monica on June 22, 2010.[10]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Brady

[Drahthaardogs]

129. Tom Brady knocked up Bridget Moynahan and left her pregnant while he ran off with Giselle.

He is a scumbag through and through. Give me Tebow any old day of the week.

Just for an edit:

The jerk was not even at the hospital (let alone the delivery room) when his 1ST son was born. He showed up later that evening. How thoughtful.

[FarCenter]

130. Most likely Bridget knew the relationship was ending and got pregnant deliberately

It was probably an attempt to keep Brady in a relationship that was no longer working.

[Broderick]

131. Oh wow

That is a sexist charge in my humble opinion.

[FarCenter]

132. You've never watched the Jerry Springer show?

[Broderick]

133. you are speculating she

got pregnant to keep her man with no evidence to support that. DU is better than Springer show crap. Not alert worthy most likely, but out of bounds in normal talk here.

[Drahthaardogs]

134. Yes, because even though she was a successful model herself,

life would not have been worth living without Mr. Brady. Bullcrap. I am not saying he had to marry her, but really, a good man would have least kept his ding dong in his pants long enough for the baby to be born. Instead, he was off on a whirlwind romance with his Brazilian model. He is no role model.

[cherokeeprogressive]

184. Yeah, everyone knows women are just, um, like that...

[Marrah_G]

163. Alot of people have relations that don't work out

Sometimes there is even a child involved. This doesn't make him evil.

[neverforget]

135. Successful deflection from Tebow to Brady. Congratulations.

[Drahthaardogs]

137. The point is this.

I hate seeing this poor kid beat up in the news and on here because he happens to be religious. So What? He also practices what he preaches, helps the sick, he builds hospitals for the poor in the Philippines, he is humble and works hard. Last time I checked, he seems to espouse a lot of things DEMOCRATS believe in.

On the other hand we have Brady. He is cocky, wealthy, flaunts it. He took a $100,000 from Audi. He is a republican, but since he does not talk about Jesus he MUST be cool.

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2010/09/14/brady_may_have_given_to_charity_but_did_he_need_to_take_from_it/


Fuck it. I am out. I do not know what Democrats are about these days.

[Broderick]

138. I agree

[neverforget]

139. it's a game. Tebow is a great guy who

does nice things off the field. I have no problem with him as a person. It's his in your face Focus on the Family prosletyizing that I don't like when he's on the field.

[sarcasmo]

156. Funny stuff.

[Marrah_G]

162. "womanizer"? "nasty-mouthed"? What Brady are you talking about?

Seriously.....I think you have your athetes mixed up. Both Tebow and Brady are good guys...

[Drahthaardogs]

178. If this surprises you, I think you need to watch a little more ESPN.

I know my athletes just fine thank you.

[Marrah_G]

195. I would love to know which comments from Brady you consider "Nasty-mouthed"

Also besides the fact that he broke up with the mother of his child and married someone else, why do you think he is a "womanizer"?

[Bluenorthwest]

111. Ah, in what way is a public display of prayer 'preaching the good news'? According to

the 'He died for us' guy, such Show Prayer is not only forbidden and said to be an action only hypocrites do, he said God does not hear such prayers at all, for they are done for others to see, not for God to hear.
Fact is Jesus Himself said 'don't pray in public like the hypocrites do'. Jesus said that. Tim does not care for that teaching, so he prays in front of millions anyway. Of course, he latches on to some 'teaching' from Paul that says gays are no good, and claims that is the unerring Word of God. Funny how Jesus is rejected and Paul is not, don't you think?
Was Jesus simply wrong to suggest that only hypocrites pray as a display for others to see? Was he incorrect, and now we know that Tim has corrected the Christ?
How do the faith people pick which teachings actually count? Seems many of them are openly rejected and replaced with the desires of the 'followers'....

[Kellerfeller]

121. Um, not really

It depends on intent. You are not to do things publicly for your own glorification.

However, in the chapter (but same speech) BEFORE Matthew 6:6, in Matthew 5:16, Jesus says to "let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven"

Edit: typo

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

126. Why does this belong in sports? In politics? It doesn't! That's the point that I and others are

making!

[Kellerfeller]

128. I didn't realize they added it to the rules.

If they didn't, then it is not part of the sport.

Sports and politics are made up of individuals. Religion is a large part of those individual's lives and who they are. If being openly homosexual is a large part of a person's life and who they are, are you saying they should hide that as well?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

146. I didn't realize that it was acceptable to do this kind of thing in sports since God doesn't choose

sides in sporting matches. It's heresy, in my view.

That's all I have to say on this subject.

Thanks!

[Kellerfeller]

151. Thanking God for the strength or skills He has given you

isn't acceptable, regardless of the outcome? (Remember, Tebow thanked God after his loss as well)


Why wouldn't it be?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

152. I told you that I have already said what I needed to

on this subject. We will need to agree to disagree, therefore no need to continue to respond to me.

Thank you and have a good day.

[Kellerfeller]

157. Thanks, but I will continue

to respond as I see fit. If you would like to end the conversation, you don't need to try to shut me up. You can simply not respond, as you claimed you were going to.

You have a good day as well.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

176. You are on ignore and are harassing me. Please do not respond to me again. I will alert you

if you do.

I have ended this conversation between you and I.

[Kellerfeller]

179. Normally, I would let this go

But bullies don't sit well with me. Remember, from the Terms, "Do not post anything which could be construed as a threat toward any person, on DU or elsewhere."

Considering you have responded to me as many times as I have responded to you (until I hit 'post' this time), it is just as easily stated that you are harassing me. I have not and will not follow you to other threads. You simply do not mean that much to me.

I have pointed out that the easiest way to end the conversation is to simply not respond to me. Attempting to shut me up since you don't like my opinion because it differs from yours seems to go away from progressives are supposed to stand for.

Hopefully, you really do have me on ignore so the issue dies here.

[MattBaggins]

159. Thanking genetics and pratice

for the strength and skills you have.

[Kellerfeller]

172. Go for it.

You have your beliefs, he has his.

[NBachers]

68. I really haven't paid much attention to the guy, but he sounds like a really decent person

I'm not a big fan of his religious displays, but he sounds like a guy who actually walks the walk. I'll give him credit for that.

Good for him.

[dogknob]

70. I'm sure he's a nice guy...

...but as long as sports continues to enjoy the intellectual priority it receives in our culture, we will continue to be a culture in decline.

[grantcart]

81. he is an intellectually lazy person who promotes a book that he does not absorb or understand

His attempts to establish a new fashion of public piety is not just revolting but against the bible that he pretends to promote;


Tebow's public prayer or citation of scripture has nothing do with religion. Demonstrations of public piety are anathama to true religion and are sharply criticized by the Rabbi Jesus.



Matthew 6:5 - 7

5. And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites [are]: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.



If the Rabbi Jesus that some call the Christ can criticize the practice of public demonstrations of piety then I think it is acceptable for us to do so here. If he is moved by compassion for an individual that suffers let him advocate of changing the system that will deal all that suffer not the few individuals that he has a chance to meet.

[Kellerfeller]

122. Speaking of intellectually lazy,

you may want to read the entire speech.

Matthew 5:16

let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven

It depends on intent. Is he doing it for his glory or God's? Matthew 6:6 is talking about not doing it for your own glory.

[grantcart]

125. Which raises the question of how writing scripture references on your face is in anyway Biblical

Now if he is doing it for God's glory then let him assign all of the profits from 'doing the Tebow' , i.e. the largest selling NFL shirt in the league to the poor.

His piety is making him famous and rich, but he would argue that his largess also glorifies Jesus because Jesus wants him not only to win football games but to have great personal wealth.

[Kellerfeller]

127. You forgot to mention

That he is giving much of that personal wealth to the poor.

Yes, I can so see how that is non-progressive. This is still a progressive board, right?

As for the verses, he has found something that brings him great joy and peace (and leads him to do good things). He wants to share it with others.

How is that a bad thing?

[MattBaggins]

160. let them see "DEEDS"

not false piety.

talk about missing the point.

[Kellerfeller]

171. How do you know it is false?

I don't know one way or the other.

Perhaps he sees it as a relationship with God and just doesn't care who sees him (as opposed to wanting others to see).

On edit: Also, he does have lots of "deeds" wrt to the poor and sick.

[customerserviceguy]

79. Same here

Atheist, but I liked watching the guy play in college, and let's face it, his play this season has been exciting. Because of the lockout, he really couldn't get the off-season coaching help he needs to throw better, but I have a feeling he'll look better next year.

The least Jebus could have done was cover the point spread.

[Buddyblazon]

142. Just so people know..

he has stated that he doesn't believe God decides sporting events.

I am an atheist as well. But watching the kid...if more Christians actually walked the walk like he does...the world we'd be a much better place.

Never seen an athlete play with his heart as consistently as Tebow. A self confessed virgin who works out like a maniac, studies his profession like a maniac and says, "God bless you", to the players that tackle him.

Quite frankly I would be happy if the Broncos could find 52 players with Tebows attitude, work ethic and all around kindness.

Again...I'm an atheist. I'm sure there are some policy issues he and I would never see eye to eye on. But I just can't knock people that have such stand up character.

If anybody wants to hate him strictly based on the fact that he's a Turbo Xtian...well...you're no better than the A-hole Xtians that rail about us simply because we call ourselves "Liberals".

[cherokeeprogressive]

185. Most here know that. But things gain their own momentum on DU

Much like the Palin thing about seeing Russia from her house. I've seen that quote attributed to her here a thousand times, but she never said it. Tina Fey did, however.

I like Tebow for not giving up in the face of adversity. I like him for "walking the walk". Most of all I like him because of the way he threatens people here with mere gestures.

Here, it's not about the way you play, not even about whether you win or lose; it's about whether or not you denounce the same things I do.

Sad.

[AngryAmish]

155. I am convinced the Tebow is one of the great trolls of our time

If you are doing something that enrage great swaths of our society then you are doing something good in my world. Kinda like when Amdy Kaufmann used to wrestle in Memphis.

[Marrah_G]

161. I am a rabid Pats fan and I sort of like him too

I don't care what his religion is or that people choose to make an issue out of it. He seems like a decent guy who tries to do some good. I think there are alot of athetes out there who are worthy of scorn, I wouldn't put him in with that group.

With that said.........


GOD LOVES MY BRADY MORE, TIMMY!!!!

[TransitJohn]

5. Still waiting for an evangelical athlete to blame God or Jesus when they lose. eom

n/t

[adigal]

7. LOL!!! Imagine: I am so pissed at Jesus, where was he tonight????

I think God has better things to worry about than a fricking football game.

[madokie]

8. Looks lost doesn't he

Tom is putting it on him bigtime. I love it.

[malaise]

20. I know

I'm lovin' it.
I hate people imposing their crap in every sphere.

Still I back one team in the NFL - Go Packers!

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

58. Right! This "evil, liberal, commie" bastion of a state: MASSACHUSETTS!!

Tom is doing his thing!!!

[cherokeeprogressive]

186. Tom didn't "put" anything on Tebow as they were never on the field at the same time.

But then you knew that.

[madokie]

191. I'm not even sure they're even on the same planet

I watch the bronco's now to see them get beat, not hoping that they win. Small of me I know but you know one has to get small once in a while

[The Straight Story]

9. Pats are crucifying him

But he may raise after 3rd quarter.

[madokie]

13. I don't know its a pretty big rock holding his ass in right now

poor babbbby

[DeathToTheOil]

10. So the guy's a born-again

Big deal.

[The Straight Story]

16. I got no problem with him and his beliefs

As a Christian myself though I don't get the whole 'god is on his side' kind of stuff the press and others are flaunting.

[malaise]

22. That's the point

They infect every institution with their zealotry

[DeathToTheOil]

25. He gives praise to Jeeeeeezus at the start of every after-the-game press conference/interview

And then he goes on to talk about football. I honestly don't see a problem here.

[laundry_queen]

87. Dude

I looked at your profile Hello fellow Albertan ... we just don't have as many of those trying-to-change-government-laws-Jeebus-freaks up here where you and I are (even if it IS 'Texas North'). Americans have good reason to be skeptical of someone who openly flaunts his religious beliefs. That's the same religion that's trying to oppress 50% of the US population.

[Hippo_Tron]

85. When he does TV ads for Focus on the Family, it's a big fucking deal

Considering their agenda is to control women's bodies and make gay people second class citizens. I could care less about Tebow's Christianity. I care a whole lot about his politics.

[The Straight Story]

11. Looks like denver's defense has been raptured (nt)

[joshcryer]

12. this is the worst thrashing ever!

[malaise]

24. LOL

[Blue Owl]

14. Jebow wept

n/t

[malaise]

29. Freaking perfect

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

60. Oh, shit!!!

[FarCenter]

15. The Las Vegas sports book is proof that prayer is not answered.

[blaze]

17. Poor Timmy indeed!

As much as I hate his public display of his faith (that says to pray in private)...

...He has a genuine caring about him that is real.

He's young. I wish him well.

[leftynyc]

18. I have no beef with Tebow

Just with those who are using his career for their own ends. I feel bad for any athlete at the wrong end of a drubbing but I hope those who have been using him are choking on this.

[The Straight Story]

23. I like a lot of things about him, it's his 'followers' and the press that make me laugh (nt)

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

62. I'm sorry, but he became part of it when he and his mom ran that anti-choice ad. Keep RELIGION

out of football!!!

[Old and In the Way]

74. Me neither.

But, honestly? I doubt he'd be getting the sports media oxygen without this hi-profile religious aspect to his personna. He'd most likely be riding the bench as a back-up. In a couple of years, I suspect he'll be out of football...or he'll be working in the front office for one of the fundie owners in the league.

[Buddyblazon]

188. No...

he became starter because Kyle Orton (while a nice guy) has zero balls. So he can throw the ball between the 20 yard lines. As the field gets shorter...he folds. On 4&9 with the game on the line, Orton will check down to his backs out of the backfield for 3 yards because "it's safe".

The team was 1-4. Quinn was in his last year of his contract and wasn't the future. It was glaringly obvious that Orton wasn't the future. That left one QB on the roster that the front office and coaches couldn't definitively say whether he was the future or not. They had to know because they needed to know what to pursue in the upcoming draft. They put him in at half of the Miami game and he nearly led a comeback. And then he led a boatload of comebacks.

I personally was on the Suck for Luck bandwagon.

And even though this was supposed to be a rebuilding year...Tebow came out and went 7-4 the rest of the season...and then won a playoff game.

A team that Elway stated was 3-4 years away from being decent...won a fucking playoff game with Tebow at the helm.

So at this point, and as Mr Elway stated today in his press conference...Tebow is the starter going into training camp next year. He EARNED that right. It wasn't given to him because he loves the invisible sky dude. He went out and busted some heads and played with ridiculous heart. He EARNED it. And don't you forget that.

You are merely predicting he fails because you don't like the fact that he's religious. Don't be the people we don't favor.

[Old and In the Way]

189. Hey, I'm only giving my opinion from watching him in 2 games. Both against the Patriots.

Sorry, not impressed....and the Patriots are not exactly an awesome defensive team (#31 in the league rankings). Didn't Kyle Orton beat Tebow and the Broncs this year? I will say he threw better than I was led to believe, but he didn't run as well as I thought he could. My point still stands....without his Christian personna, he doesn't get the media hype. I saw a Youtube mash-up of ESPN mentioning his name 160 times in 1 hour! Gimme a break...do you think Cam Newton has gotten that kind of media attention?

Sure, Tebow deserves to be the starter going into next year's training camp...but he better learn some new tricks in the off-season because the NFL teams are going to be breaking down his game films. He's going to have to learn to read defenses better and find the open man. He looks absolutely nervous in the pocket and can't seem to keep himself still. Of course, that might be because I'm spoiled from watching Tom Brady play the position - but Brady was this good back when he first subbed for Bledsoe when he got injured 7(?) years ago. Brady came in and that was the end of drew in New England.

Tim has brought his Christian personna into the game. He's taken controversial positions on hot social issues. Focus on the Family ran ads during the last game - so I assume there must be a huge Christian, non-football watching audience that they are trying to reach. They used kids to sell Chriatian messaging....disgusting. He may be a hell of a nice guy, but if he were a devout Muslim, I don't think we'd be hearing much about Tim Tebow's future as an NFL QB.

Who knows? Maybe he'll become a RB/split end...he might actually end up doing better in that position. Hell, if the Patriots can run a TE out of the backfield, why not Timmy?

[Buddyblazon]

198. Well...he was like most young QB's...

inconsistent.

The things he is best at is scrambling. So when things broke down, he tends to go back to what he did best.

Let's remember a few things:

No offseason. Couldn't meet with Broncos coaches until after the lockout. His offseason consisted more of conditioning. While I know he worked with some people in the offseason, it came nothing close to what he would have received from Broncos coaching staff. And they still would have worked with him like a back up.

2nd...yes he has some problems reading defenses. That's something that happens to a lot of young QB's. But as far as his ability to throw...uh...he broke a bunch of SEC passing records. When you hear anybody else say he can't pass, they're coming up with reasons to bolster their beliefs because they simply don't like him. If you hear yourself saying it, you should promptly smash yourself repeatedly in the head with a hammer...because now you know and you'd actually just be using it to bolster YOUR case against him.

3rd...when he was given the reins, it was obvious that the upper office (Elway mostly) wanted the kid to fail. If he had failed, Elway would have made a strong move to Andrew Luck.


Does he have issues? Yes. He wants to run TOO much. There are many times, like the Pats game, where it appears he psyches himself out about throwing. Like perhaps he's been listening to the naysayers. He'll grip the ball. Refuse to trust timing with his receivers and just try to run. He has to get over that tendency. But take a look at how he throws in the 4th quarter with the game on the line. He has RIDICULOUS numbers in the 4th qtr. Scary numbers.

And when the coaches get their heads out of their butts, perhaps they'll call more passing plays. They need to approach him like Rothliasdfabasdger. They almost never call screens for him. That needs to be a part of the offense...stat.

All this stuff you're going over...already been through this in my own head over the past 22 months. 22 months ago, I was a Tebow Hater like you. I've just gotten to watch him and his work ethic. Give me 52 more Broncos with his heart, dedication and work ethic.


But I want to end this with good news. I've figured out what your problem is. You said:

"I saw a Youtube mash-up of ESPN mentioning his name 160 times in 1 hour! Gimme a break...do you think Cam Newton has gotten that kind of media attention? "

It actually appears that your problem is with the media. Not Tebow. Perhaps if you direct your hostilities at them for their obvious slight towards you, you'll find your criticism to be more efficient and effective.

[Old and In the Way]

199. My whole point has been Tim's Christian personna has given him undeserved media attention.

Any other QB putting up his numbers and delivering his performance doesn't get 1/100 of the attention he's garnered. If your happy with him...good! It's your team, my friend. Time will tell if he makes it to the next level. In the meantime, the rest of us non-Tebow worshipers (I prefer that to "Tebow hater&quot will just have to suffer with watching a mediocre QB get superstar media attention.

[Thaddeus Kosciuszko]

19. Looks like the long knives of bigotry are too.

[grantcart]

26. Welcome to DU and yes there is bigotry against any idiot that thinks God or Jesus gives a damn

about Football.

That does not include thoughtful Christians who do not trivialize a great faith by reducing it to something akin to a Las Vegas casino operation.

You revealed more than you thought and enjoy your stay.

[Thaddeus Kosciuszko]

61. As fan of a team that is mired in the darkness of consecutive losing seasons, I'm open to anything.

Regrettably, I am unable to appeal for divine intervention, because I am a damn atheist.

Welcome to DU and yes there is bigotry...Enjoy you stay

Are you a thoughtful Christian?

[grantcart]

80. Few here consider me thoughtful and I cannot accept the Nicene Creed.

The Biblical evidence of Mary being a Virgin at the time of Jesus birth is not very strong.

[Buddyblazon]

143. Great respect for you...

GC...and for many years now.

But Tebow has stated that he doesn't not believe God decides sporting events.

"any idiot that thinks God or Jesus gives a damn about Football."

That's actually something you made up in your brain about Tebow. Thanking the invisible sky dude after the game is NOT the same as saying invisible sky dude won you the game.

Just wanted to point out the difference.

[grantcart]

154. I never said that Tebow believed that God helped him to win.

My point was against the poster's comment that comments about Tebow are NOT a bias against Christians but against THOSE who DO believe that God does involve himself in sports, recently polled at 43% of Christians.

Tebow may in fact be an outstanding individual but;

1) the Rabbi Jesus was at heart a man of humility. Writing John 3:16 on your cheecks is taking the most imperialistically aggressive citation (and nothing like anything Jesus said) and basically stating that if you don't believe as I believe you are separated from God.

2) Since writing on your cheeks is prohibited Tebows bowing on knees has become his trademark. It is an act of public piety. I am revolted by such acts, don't think that they are the least bit bibilical and have been laughed at by the prophets since Isaiah.

But then I could be wrong.

What I understood from Metzger et al is that this is the more authentic understanding of Rabbi Jesus' act of public piety:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/100264622

[grantcart]

45. Bashing Tebow is not bashing religion

Nothing Tebow has anything to do with religion. Demonstrations of public piety are anathama to true religion and are sharply criticized by the Rabbi Jesus.



Matthew 6:5 - 7

5. And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites [are]: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.



If the Rabbi Jesus that some call the Christ can criticize the practice of public demonstrations of piety then I think it is acceptable for us to do so here, without it having any impact on sincere Christians who follow the bible.

[grantcart]

95. Welcome

[Bluenorthwest]

113. Odd that the teachings of Jesus get that reaction from you....

Those are the commands of Tim's faith. Why don't you explain to us all why that which Jesus commanded is not really part of how 'Christians' do things. Was there an official rewrite of mistakes the Christ made in the Scriptures or what?

[underpants]

109. Well put. The whole thing is a strawman to play victim

from my post #107
Yes this thread is indicative of the Tebow haters pointing to his faith but in the mainstream media they are using Tebow to shove Christianity down everyone's throat and THAT , from my perspective, is why people counter the Tebow hype. It is not about him on either side - one side uses him (without any endorsement that I know of) and the other side counters by pointing out how contrived the whole thing is. All you hear about is how he is attacked without actually hearing any of the attacks quoted directly.... because there really aren't any attacks from anyone the press will quote. It is strawman set up to knock down and still play victim - which is what the right and rightwing radio were built on.

[Bluenorthwest]

112. Wow. Such a thing to allude to. Dozens of murders, Not sure this rises to such language.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives

[grantcart]

28. I now expect some fundamentalists to not question the support of Tiebow by Jehovah but

whether or not they should be playing football on Saturday.


Wonder if some will be looking into Seventh Day Adventists or moving their services to Saturday.

[malaise]

31. Suppose he was a Friday worshipping Muslim? n/t

[FarCenter]

46. I checked for the time of sunset in Denver

The game started after the Sabbath was over. Can't blame this one on Jesus being Jewish.

[grantcart]

47. Not Jewish but a Messianic Jew and they use the Goyim Sabbath

Good til midnight.

[FarCenter]

53. Is Jesus' Sabbath 0 hours long or 48 hours long

If you consider that He is everywhere, then you have to consider all 24 hour time zones. So somewhere on earth it is Sabbath for 48 hours. On the other hand, somewhere else on earth it is not the Sabbath for all of those hours.

What would Jesus do?

[Bozita]

33. Jesus gave the points in this game. Told me it was a sure thing.

[zbdent]

34. It would be sad that "Jesus" would intervene for a football game

and let millions starve to death ... so that the greedy can get fat, and toss more food into their trash cans than many people see in a month.

[BeyondGeography]

36. C'mon, New England, make it 316-7

[Bozita]

37. I woulda been happy with 66-6

Wonder what the fundies woulda said.

[malaise]

39. Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah hahahahaha

[joshcryer]

38. To be fair, D's offense is failing hard. Jesus might just be with Tebow...

...with how many sacks he's had to endure.

[kentuck]

41. This is the Bill Maher philosophy...

There is no tomorrow. There is no next year. There is only today. If you cannot do it today, you are a failure. It wasn't meant to be. Such an optimistic view of the future...

[quaker bill]

42. You might have it backward

Perhaps the divine would prefer Tim to spend more time at home over the next few weeks.

The Divine is also known to deliver the occasional lesson in humility.

[Greybnk48]

44. LOL!! She's exhausted from the Saints/49er's game

and resting up to help the Packers tomorrow!!

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

51. I don't give a damn what anyone says! I'm going ALL BLUE this play-off season. I'm rooting for BLUE

teams...

San Francisco
Patriots
Giants
Ravens

[Greybnk48]

104. You forgot the blu (e)cheese--GO PACKERS!! n/t

[Marrah_G]

166. But the Ravens are PURPLE!

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

177. BLUE as in these teams represent BLUE states. :)

[Marrah_G]

196. I know!

I was just teasing

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

197. Got it! I'm slow on the update! :)

[joshcryer]

52. brady punt'd the ball, lots of fighting omg!

[pipi_k]

193. I saw that...

I think it was the last straw on the backs of the Broncos. That, plus Brady looking so pleased with himself after landing the ball on the Broncos 12 yard line...

[pinto]

65. Suggest we give this a break. It was a football game and a good one at that. No more, nor less.

Just my 2 cents.

[cthulu2016]

71. Why is this thread still open?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

78. Send an alert if you think it ought to be closed.

[Union Scribe]

82. It really shouldn't be in GD. nt

[Marrah_G]

167. Yes, he is oppressed.

We should pray for him.

[Marrah_G]

173. This entire thread has me giggling

Some are so anti-tebow that it is just weird and some are so pro-tebow that it's just as wierd.

He plays football, I hate his affiliation with FOF which again had a commercial Saturday during the game, other then that he seems like an okay guy.

He's not an angel or a devil and neither are his opponents.

HOWEVER....the MSM has spent a week yapping about nothing but his religion... I would like to put forth that perhaps many of the anti-tebow jokes and comments are dur to folks being sick to death of hearing about the guy's religion every single time he is brought up in a report.

[Union Scribe]

84. Tebow haters are funny.

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Not in what they say, because it's always the same dumb jokes (seriously, freshen that stale crap up).

They're funny because they stomp their feet when he wins, and feel some weird satisfaction when he loses. The guy by all accounts is living a fantastic life and made it to the playoffs, and by contrast his detractors are hanging around wallowing in their counter-culture hipness and indulging petty, bilious fantasies that they somehow win when he loses.

They are, in short, the exact mirror of the people they loathe: those who over-inflate Tebow winning into a win for his religion. Except at least those people are rooting FOR something and someone.

And I'm not even a Denver fan. I've been a Brady fan since Michigan, so I was on the same rooting side as all the Tebow haters, but I still have to think they've lost nonetheless.

[Thaddeus Kosciuszko]

88. Tebowphobia - An extreme and irrational aversion to Tim Tebow.

[leftynyc]

89. Meanwhile, Teabowmaniacs

make a mokery of G-d by suggesting He cares about a particular quarterback winning a game. I see very few that have a problem with Tebow himself - it's those using him that are the problem and who I hope are choking this game.

[DCBob]

94. A true believer would thank God for whatever the outcome..

There are blessings in defeat as well as in victory.

[Thaddeus Kosciuszko]

114. The process of identifying the trait that is activating the aggression becomes non-responsive,

forcing me to shut it down via the task manger.

Emotional responses like hate are not easy to diagnose, and this one remains incomprehensible to me.

[Marrah_G]

168. I've seen more insults leveled at Brady then at Tebow in this thread

Just sayin"

[Thaddeus Kosciuszko]

180. I didn’t tally them, but I did notice quite a few.

And I was unable to identify the coherence of their support either.

It was apparent that most of insults were being processed by people whose scales of truth and fairness, were weighted to one side, before engaging their brains.

[Warren DeMontague]

97. You a big fan of Anti-Choicers, then?

As has been noted, he made his shit OUR business by endorsing a theocratic political agenda.

[underpants]

107. The whole thing is a creation of the right wing thumpers playing victim

Yes this thread is indicative of the Tebow haters pointing to his faith but in the mainstream media they are using Tebow to shove Christianity down everyone's throat and THAT , from my perspective, is why people counter the Tebow hype. It is not about him on either side - one side uses him (without any endorsement that I know of) and the other side counters by pointing out how contrived the whole thing is. All you hear about is how he is attacked without actually hearing any of the attacks quoted directly.... because there really aren't any attacks from anyone the press will quote. It is strawman set up to knock down and still play victim - which is what the right and rightwing radio were built on.

[LanternWaste]

150. Precisely. The absence of pejoratives against Tebow are as dramatic as the absence

Precisely. The absence of pejoratives against Tebow are as dramatic as the absence of anything getting "shoved down our throats" by him (unless of course, one's sensibilities are so delicate as to presume that merely discussing a faith of lack of faith is concomitant to jamming that idea into someone's throat, and in that case it would seem both allegations hold some truth)....

We often see only what we want to and concurrently, often fail to see what runs counter to our own belief systems.

[MrScorpio]

98. Michigan is like Kryptonite to Tebow

The Wolverines kicked his ass when they played him quarterbacking Florida, the Lions had this Christian for a snack during the regular season, now ex-Michigan QB Tom Brady slaughters him once again.

Believe me, I'm loving this.

[malaise]

101. You have loads of company

[trumad]

102. 27th ranked quarterback in the NFL

Lost 4 out of his last 5 games...

His accuracy rating is 5 points worse than any QB in the league.

If not for an onside kick and a missed field goal... he would have had a win record of 4-4 and not made the playoffs.

His field goal kicker saved his teams ass in a couple of games.

Dude is the Sarah Palin of the NFL--- the most hyped player in football history and one of the worse quarterbacks as well.

[malaise]

103. Super stats

Thanks

How long before 'What Fuels you' becomes 'what fools you'?

add

[GoCubsGo]

148. Even that putz, Jay Cutler has better stats.

Michael Vick, too. I'm not really a football fan, and I don't follow it that much. So, given all this hype, I assumed that Tebow was the top-ranking QB in the league. Hopefully, his most recent performance has put an end to all that hype.

[trumad]

149. He's not top ranked... not even close

He's ranked 27 out of 32....

His accuracy rating---a rating I deem most important is 46 percent... 4 percentage points worse than anyone in the league.

And yet he was voted as an alternate to the Pro Bowl.

By far the most over-hyped player in league history.

[Dreamer Tatum]

117. you must be positively ecstatic when a church

gets destroyed by a hurricane.

[Broderick]

120. Priorities

[neverforget]

123. Only in your mind

[Warren DeMontague]

144. No, although it was pretty funny when the touchdown jesus statue was hit by lightning.

I mean, hello.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-06-15-touchdown-jesus-fire_N.htm

[MattBaggins]

164. Not at all

but when the giant touchdown Jesus was struck by lighting I cried from laughing so hard.

[Marrah_G]

169. Better a church then a house........

[DevonRex]

136. Tebow is a nice kid.

And he has a right to bow or whatever. You have the right to make fun of it. And I have the right to say it's getting old and insults some people of faith on DU.

[MH1]

181. Perhaps, but he made an ad for a hate group ("Focus on the Family")

There aren't many, if any, "people of faith" on DU who support FoF. If they do, and they spout FoF's hate speech about GLBT's, they will be banned rather quickly, I think.

So perhaps Tebow didn't know much about this group, or maybe he did. Anyway he aligned himself with the Falwells, Dobsons, and Robertsons - the far, rabid right wing - of the Christian spectrum. Do you think it insults people of faith on DU to mock those guys?

[DevonRex]

187. My bumper sticker: Focus on your own damn

Family!

I had forgotten about that add. I've actually protested at Focus twice. Slimy bastards, all of 'em.

At the moment I'm thinking more about what Tebow does and says as he grows up and away from that nutty mother of his. Since I grew up fundy I know it's hard to break away and most can't or won't. Surprisingly, Tebow has actually done some good things since he's been here, which is at least better than the fundies who brag about works not getting you into heaven.

Anyway I'm kind of giving him a bit of a grace period to see what he will do and say as a man rather than what he did and said as a kid under his mom's thumb. In all likelihood he will remain a fundy and the grace period will end.

[sarcasmo]

140. "This is Jesus Christ to Tim Tebow, please leave me alone, don't you know

Sunday is my day of rest" This is from a Jimmy Fallon bit, Tim Tebowie.

[malaise]

141. I saw that on GEM$NBComcast

it is hilarious

[GoCubsGo]

147. Well, since they lost on a Saturday...

...It appears that Jesus Christ is really an Orthodox Jew.

[LanternWaste]

145. As my niece said...

As my niece said, "No one loves Tom Brady right now more than atheists."

[hifiguy]

175. Indeed. I thoroughly enjoyed watching the Pats

thrash and throttle the Broncos on Saturday night. His surgical dissection of Denver's defense was a beautiful thing to behold. And five years after he retires, Brady will be polishing up his HOF induction speech.

[malaise]

183. Not really

I'm just glad the fundie lunatics have been silenced

[LanternWaste]

192. Of course.

Of course.

[gulliver]

153. I don't think he's Elmer Gantry, but he's close.

If Tebow knows that that his "Tebowing" is enhancing his career, then it's not really praying, at least not to God.

[Fire Walk With Me]

165. If all of the football fans and teams and sponsors and broadcasters and sports bars

in the US put in the same amount of time, effort, technology and money they currently put into football, instead, into feeding the hungry children of the world...

[taterguy]

190. Leave Timmy Alone!

(Too lazy to insert the appropriate graphic)

[pipi_k]

194. It's OK to hate Tim Tebow...

according to this article:

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2012/1/13/2702190/tim-tebow-nfl-playoffs-2012-denver-broncos-haters-gonna-hate

I especially like reason #4.

Oh, and how scary/sad/pathetic is it when an estimated 43% of Americans (same percentage who do not like Muslims) believed that God was helping Tebow win... (under reason #5)


I don't trust people who advertise their religion and do all these "good" things in the name of God (or whatever deity) instead of just because it's the RIGHT thing to do.

Well, anyway, even though it's OK to hate him, I don't. I feel sort of sorry for him. And I don't trust him because he advertises his faith.

[Thaddeus Kosciuszko]

200. Your view of Malware processes is becoming more wide spread.

And as the article cited in your post indicates, many are even openly advocating the installation of malware like hate to process their decisions.

The stuff has been around forever, but most often slipped in through the backdoor processes of desperation and despair. If undetected, they would quickly begin influencing decisions, causing other process to become non-responsive, and ultimately take control of the entire processing system.

When I analyzed this developing trend; of replacing the processes of empathy, sympathy, kindness and care, with malware; with the processes of logic and reason. it revealed a magnitude of disturbing information, that would be impossible to exaggerate.