Upper level NE R's having a fit, will Hagel's ES&S flip give Kerrey a win?

[Omaha Steve]

Was just told about this on the phone. After all the claims by the right that ES&S etc. all can't be tampered with, this would be so SWEET!

[Wellstone ruled]

1. Sounds like Huskier

Repuks might be eating a Sh*t sandwich Tuesday Night. Damn,got to love it.

[BlueToTheBone]

2. so Hagel voted and the machine flipped his vote?

Or he flipped to Kerrey? I haven't been keeping up.

[Omaha Steve]

3. Hagel owned the machines that counted his votes

In a huge upset, Hagel came out of nowhere and was way behind in the polls. Large sections of Democratic areas that never voted R, voted for him. You can read about it here.

There is more than one chapter on Hagel. But I think this is the correct one.

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-3.pdf

[BlueToTheBone]

4. And of course, Rmoney and family

expect the same for themselves.

[Coyotl]

5. You might want to explain what you are talking about

[Omaha Steve]

6. Hagel endorsed Kerrey a few days ago

Will Hagel's vote counting machines flip votes to Kerrey like they flipped votes when Hagel ran?

[LisaL]

7. Now it all makes sense.

[brooklynite]

8. This would be as idiotic as the assumption it'll happen elsewhere.

[Omaha Steve]

9. And Mitt's kids machines won't be flipping votes in Ohio?

Bev is technically not to be mentioned on the DU. But her HBO documentary on the subject was on target. She showed Howard Dean how to flip an election with the central tabulator. Much easier that programing each scanner etc.

[brooklynite]

10. Same machines that didn't flip for the Republicans in 2006 and 2008?

No.

[Omaha Steve]

14. The race has to be close enough in the polls

And the networks cancelled their polling in many states for this election. No poll. Nothing to point at.

Hagel's sticks out like a sore thumb because the spread was so wide.

The spread was so wide for Obama when the West post polls closed all the networks immediately called Obama the winner.

Remember the owner of the machines in Ohio promised W a win there in 04.

So the Tea Party really won so big two years ago with no help?

[RobertEarl]

11. Are you, brooklynite, still in denial?

Are you still denying that the machines can cause the vote to be flipped?

Or in denial that the republicans would do such a thing as steal votes?

[dsc]

12. then why didn't they in 2008

or 2006 or 1996 or 1992?

[RobertEarl]

16. Two things

We were all over their asses after 2004. They had to be extra careful. In fact many of the machines that counted the vote in 2004 had, by 2006, been outlawed in many states.

And the turnout in 2006 was huge in reaction to Bush.

Then the Obama campaign turn out kept their flipping to a minimum. Experts have found that as much as 7 million votes were stolen from Obama. But.... state voting was hugely flipped. Florida, while electing Obama in 2008, put many republicans in office. In other words, instead of flipping Obama they went for the legislature.

There have been tons of evidence through the years of the ways that votes have been stolen. If you are new to politics and uneducated, you get a pass. If not, knowing what we know about the machines and the EVIDENCE of elections being flipped by the machines, and you are still on this kick of sandbagging the smart people, then you may be an enemy. I can't tell, and I don't really care where you are, but when I see the science being denied, i fight it.

[dsc]

19. I looked up Florida

In the legislature they gained 1 seat and so did we (there were 2 vacancies in the House). http://www.ksefocus.com/pdf/2008Post-ElectionChart.pdf

In the US House we won all but one close seat including Grayson and Klien who ended up losing in 2010. In short your theory doesn't check out. There were no statewide officials elected in 08.

[RobertEarl]

20. Who controlled the Fl legis after Obama won?

Doesn't it strike you as odd that many people, they claim, after voting for Obama, turned and reelected republicans down ballot? I contend that many votes were stolen there in 2008 and have found no proof to the contrary.

And what do you know about Sarasota county in 2006 when the machines there LOST enough votes to throw the vote in favor of the republican congress person?

[dsc]

22. the same GOP who did before

http://www.ksefocus.com/pdf/2008Post-ElectionChart.pdf

The Senate was 14 to 26 before and after. The House was 43 75 2 before and 44 76 after.

[RobertEarl]

23. Right

The state that voted FOR Obama, turned an voted in republicans almost 2 to 1 in at state level. You see that makes no fucking sense, right?

[dsc]

30. actually it does

it is called gerrymandering. My state will have Obama and Romney in essence tie but we will return a GOP general assembly and our House delegation will go from being 7 Democratic 6 Republican to 4 Democratic 9 Republican all due to gerrymandering. What they did in our House delegation was put a bunch of Democrats in 3 districts and have 10 slight GOP districts with the assumption that we would vote like we did in 2008.

[Omaha Steve]

21. How many ES&S machines are there in FL?

And this from the current greatest page: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021700529

[Care Acutely]

13. Kerrey got five votes from this household in Kearney!

We already voted

[fujiyama]

18. I once stopped in Kearney NE

Seemed like friendly people.

Didn't know it's pronounced "CAR-NEY".

[Care Acutely]

24. Yup. When I lived in El Paso & told people my hometown was called

Car-nee they were like, "your town is called meat?"

[TwilightGardener]

15. If Hagel would do this (and had the ability to do it), why didn't

he give Pete Ricketts the win against Ben Nelson in 2006? Remember that race? He endorsed Ricketts and made TV ads for him.

[Omaha Steve]

17. Rickets trailed by over 30% in the polls

Hagel doesn't own all the machines. But he has enough to flip a close state wide race.

When Hagel's votes got flipped, we didn't know he owned the machines. He didn't acknowledge them until he got caught. When Rickets ran we knew.

Read the chapter I posted above. It answers lots of questions.

[TwilightGardener]

25. I'm sorry, I have never believed that

ES & S allegation. And yes, I've read all that stuff, it was posted here years ago.

[Omaha Steve]

26. So Florida wasn't stolen in 2000?

Ohio in 04?

[TwilightGardener]

27. I honestly don't know. Suspicions aren't proof, though

I think FL/OH were very suspicious. I think the Ohio Secretary of State is up to some sort of hinky game now, in this election. But no, I don't think Hagel himself directed tampering with the voting machines back then (he certainly was no fan of George W. or Dick), nor do I think he's going to do it for Kerrey.

[Omaha Steve]

28. I won't pick a fight with a long time DUer

We just disagree.

But upper echelon R's are worried about the Kerrey race.

OS

[TwilightGardener]

29. Well, if Kerrey wins, it should be very interesting to see

if they publicly throw a fit and make accusations. That might tell the tale.