(Love it!!) President Obama Looks To Make Mitt Romney Pay In Ohio For Misleading Jeep Ad

[trailmonkee]

President Obama Looks To Make Mitt Romney Pay In Ohio For Misleading Jeep Ad

HILLIARD, Ohio -- President Obama ripped Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney on Friday for running a misleading TV ad implying that U.S. auto workers are going to lose their jobs because Chrysler is moving the production of Jeeps for Chinese consumers to China.

It's a move by the president to capitalize on what, tactically, appears to have been a strategy by Romney's campaign in Ohio that has backfired. Obama is planning to press the issue all day Friday at three campaign stops in Ohio, including a midday rally in Lima, where there are about 1,600 jobs at a local Ford manufacturing plant.

"Everybody knows it's not true," Obama said of Romney's ad to a crowd in a large barn at the Franklin County Fairgrounds, in the suburbs of Columbus, Ohio, a crucial swing-section of this swing state.

Obama cited reports of auto workers in Ohio calling their employer to ask if their jobs were in jeopardy after seeing Romney's ad. Romney's ad is technically correct -- it says Chrysler is going to build Jeeps in China, which is true -- but it leaves the impression that the creation of jobs in China will cost U.S. auto workers their livelihood. Obama pointed out that Chrysler is in the process of hiring 1,000 new workers for a Jeep plant in Toledo, Ohio.

"I understand that Gov. Romney's had a tough time here in Ohio because he was against saving the auto industry," Obama said. "And it's hard to run away from that position when you're on videotape saying the words, 'Let Detroit go bankrupt.'"

"And I know we're close to an election, but this isn't a game," Obama said. "These are people's jobs. These are people's lives … You don't scare hardworking Americans just to scare up some votes. That's not what being president is all about."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/02/obama-ohio-romney-jeep_n_2065097.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003

[txdemsftw]

1. TRUTH

[ChoppinBroccoli]

2. I WAS THERE!!!

See my post detailing my experience.

This line got thunderous applause from the thousands gathered in that tiny horse barn in a reddish suburb of Columbus, Ohio.

[trailmonkee]

7. sweet

link to post?

[ChoppinBroccoli]

8. Link Here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021693308

[barbiegeek]

3. Where can I find that gif or download it.

Please help. I have never done that before but I so need to learn

[vinny9698]

4. To save any image from the internet: Right click to get menu, select save as and there.

The magic of the mouse.

[pokerfan]

6. Also...

Right click and select 'view image' from the context menu. Then bookmark that page and you will have a direct link to the image as it's hosted that you can use in other posts.

[Darth_ Deciduous]

5. I think they are thinking about moving

The production that was intended for Asian market anyway.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-10-21/fiat-says-china-may-build-all-jeep-models-as-suv-demand-climbs


"Fiat is in “very detailed conversations” with its Chinese partner, Guangzhou Automobile Group Co. (2238), about making Jeeps in the world’s largest auto market, said Mike Manley, chief operating officer of Fiat and Chrysler in Asia. Chrysler hasn’t built Jeeps there since before Fiat took control in 2009."

[justiceischeap]

9. No, they aren't thinking about moving but nice try

They are considering opening a plant in China to build cars specifically FOR CHINA. This only affects American workers in that instead of building these specific cars in America, they'll be making them in China--hence not creating jobs for these specifically manufactured cars. However, they intend to add another 1K+ jobs in Toledo for American market cars.

[Darth_ Deciduous]

11. Ok, where was I wrong?

I simply said that they are thinking about moving the production of vehicles specifically meant for the Asian market to China.

[yellowcanine]

13. They are not moving anything. It is new production.

If fact, the China factory will likely create additional management jobs in the U.S. to help oversee the China factory.

[Darth_ Deciduous]

14. Ok, so does Chrysler sell cars in Asia today?

And if that production of cars that are currently assembled in Detroit moves to China what does that mean?

My point is very simple, currently Chrysler produces cars they intend to sell in the Asian market in Detroit, they are thinking of moving that production to China.

If that is correct how can Detroit production not be affected?

[yellowcanine]

15. Chrysler has said they are not moving any Jeep production to China.

They are adding Jeep production in China.
And they are increasing Jeep production in the U.S. That is the bottom line. You will have to ask Chrysler how they manage this but apparently there is so much demand for Jeeps that they can add Jeep production in both places. Why speculate when Chrysler is on record about what they plan to do?

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

21. It's an expansion in Asia, you asshat...

There's a substantial difference between shutting down operations in the US and moving to Asia, and increasing facilities in Asia to be close to the market.

[trailmonkee]

58. took you long enough to get to asshat

[SomethingFishy]

18. The are not "moving" anything

this is an expansion into Asia. It is not fiscally possible to make cars here and ship them to China and still make a profit. Same reason many Japanese auto companies have factories here.

The problem you seem to be missing is that Romney is telling auto workers that Chrysler is moving their jobs to China. No jobs are being moved and jobs are being added here as well.

The ad is a LIE designed to scare people into voting for Romney. It's transparent and pathetic and stinks of desperation.

[Darth_ Deciduous]

20. "It is not fiscally possible to make cars here and ship them to China and still make a profit."

Ok, now that we understand that, if you do not assemble 1 Jeep in the U.S. and that Jeep gets assembled in China does that affect Jeep production in the U.S.?

As far a Rmoney is concerned, I don't believe I have mentioned that at all and I would be thankful if words are not put in my mouth.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

24. China is an expanding market...

So expanding production in China is for the purpose of selling Jeeps to the Chinese. These vehicles were NEVER going to be produced in the United States, because shipping them overseas would be cost-prohibitive.

Expanding production in China has no bearing on domestic production.

Romney know that, and so do you. Stop feigning innocence.

[SomethingFishy]

29. It does not affect Jeep production in the US.

It's a market expansion. According to Chrysler they are ADDING jobs here in the US which means production is going up here.

And you are defending Romney's remarks and ads, so don't sit there and play coy and act like I insulted you.

[Darth_ Deciduous]

33. Again

Does Chrysler sell Jeeps in Asia today?

If the answer is no then it is an expansion.

If the answer is yes then they are "localizing" production in order to maximize profit.

I am not defending anyone just pointing out a simple fact.

[uponit7771]

53. No your slicing onions

[George II]

19. "MOVING" means that they already exist, which they don't. These are NEW jobs in China....

......along with 1100 NEW jobs in the US.

[Darth_ Deciduous]

23. Interesting

Do you have a link that I could read?

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

31. Here...

http://blog.chryslergroupllc.com/entry/1950/message_from_sergio_marchionne_regarding__jeep_production

Now will you STFU?

[SomethingFishy]

32. LINKS WITH AN "S"

USA today:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2012/10/31/mitt-romney-jeep-chrysler-uaw/1672501/

Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/the-morning-plum-romneys-false-scare-story-in-ohio/2012/10/26/5f8edbbc-1f58-11e2-ba31-3083ca97c314_blog.html

ABC

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/misleading-romney-ad-on-jeeps-draws-obama-retort/

CBS

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_162-57542993/gm-like-chrysler-refutes-romneys-auto-industry-ad/

And if you need a Republican source here's business insider:

http://www.businessinsider.com/romney-lies-auto-chrysler-jobs-2012-10

Google is pretty easy to use.

[Darth_ Deciduous]

34. Thanks for the links

But this was my take away...

“Let’s set the record straight: Jeep has no intention of shifting production of its Jeep models out of North America to China. It’s simply reviewing the opportunities to return Jeep output to China for the world’s largest auto market,” said spokesman Gualberto Ranieri in a blog post Thursday. “U.S. Jeep assembly lines will continue to stay in operation.”

From your provided link

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/misleading-romney-ad-on-jeeps-draws-obama-retort/

If you open a factory in China to produce Jeeps for the Asian market why would you continue to produce them in the U.S.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

35. Are you really this dense?

Because manufacturing a vehicle half-way around the globe and then shipping if to another market (when oil is $90/barrel) is cost prohibitive. People in Ohio get that, as there's been a Honda Assembly Plant in Marysville, OH for about thirty years. Jeep is doing the same thing -- manufacturing vehicles closer to the market so they can be competetive with models manufactured in Asia.

[Darth_ Deciduous]

37. Yes, I suppose I am that dense

"Because manufacturing a vehicle half-way around the globe and then shipping if to another market (when oil is $90/barrel) is cost prohibitive. People in Ohio get that, as there's been a Honda Assembly Plant in Marysville, OH for about thirty years. Jeep is doing the same thing -- manufacturing vehicles closer to the market so they can be competetive with models manufactured in Asia."


And that is what I have been saying, currently Chrysler produces Jeeps that are destined for the Asian market.

They also see that it would be economical to move the production of Jeeps that are aimed at the Asian market closer to that market. That would be China. If the U.S. factories that currently produce Jeeps for the Asian market no longer produce them because that production has been moved, transferred or whatever to China means Jeeps that will no longer be produced in the U.S.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

40. Dear God in Heaven...

Chrysler has been building Jeeps for the Chinese market for years. That was temporarily halted during the economic melt-down as demand dwindled and production was consolidated. With sales rebounding in the U.S. and a massive market in China, Jeep is going to return to is previous practice of building Jeeps in China.

From the CEO of Chrysler:

Let’s set the record straight: Jeep has no intention of shifting production of its Jeep models out of North America to China. It’s simply reviewing the opportunities to return Jeep output to China for the world’s largest auto market. U.S. Jeep assembly lines will continue to stay in operation. A careful and unbiased reading of the Bloomberg take would have saved unnecessary fantasies and extravagant comments.

[No Vested Interest]

49. Agreed re resuming Jeep production

It's my understanding that Jeeps were built in China until 2009.
Note words "return Jeep output" in CEO's message.

[SomethingFishy]

38. Ok I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt

but you are too stupid to be anything but a troll.

Right now Chrysler is NOT EXPORTING JEEPS TO CHINA. THEY USED TO. NOW THEY DONT. IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE. NOW THEY ARE LOOKING TO MANUFACTURE IN CHINA SO THEY CAN MAKE A PROFIT. NOW YOU UNDERSTAND PROFIT RIGHT? IT'S WHAT YOU PEOPLE ARE ALL ABOUT.

No American will lose his or her job over this. You can dance and sing and play word games all day long. It will never change the FACTS.

Plus if you are going to sit here and defend Romney's ad maybe you can explain how Americans would still be making Chryslers when Romneys plan was to and I FUCKING QUOTE HIM DIRECTLY ""LET DETROIT GO BANKRUPT".. yeah thats a much better plan.

Hey Jeff, sorry this wasn't meant for you, replied to the wrong post..

[Darth_ Deciduous]

39. I am not defending Romney

Simple question...

Does Jeep sell cars in Asia today?

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

42. It's not a simple question...

It's a stupid question.

[Darth_ Deciduous]

45. Ok so it's a stupid question

But it's still a question.

Does Jeep sell cars in Asia?

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

46. Read what's been posted....

Production shut down overseas because of the economic crisis, now that the market has rebounded, overseas production is being resumed. Jeeps are still being sold in Asia, but Chrysler isn't making much profit on it, and it wasn't something they ever intended to pursue long-term.

The asinine little point that you're trying to make is that moving production for the Chinese market back to China is going to cost American workers their jobs. This isn't true because these were never "American" jobs to begin with -- they were Chinese jobs that were temporarily shifted to the U.S.

Ohio auto workers know this fully well, and it's blowing up in Romney face. That's because only a stupid sack of shit like Romney wouldn't understand how auto production works. Only a fucking idiot like Romney would try to convince people that the rebounding of the auto industry is somehow bad for auto workers. The assembly works are gibbering idiots like Romney, the workers know when they're being lied to and they know why they're doing it.

[Darth_ Deciduous]

50. Thanks

"Jeeps are still being sold in Asia"

That's all I was asking.

"This isn't true because these were never "American" jobs to begin with -- they were Chinese jobs that were temporarily shifted to the U.S. "

That's fine, but it still makes my point, Jeeps that until now were produced in the U.S. will be produced in China.

Of course that is still pending what Chrysler/Fiat decides to do.

[justiceischeap]

48. It's a fun way to drive up a post count.

Argue a point that's been proven increases the post count quickly.

[Darth_ Deciduous]

51. I am just participating in a disscussion

And I appreciate your participation but if you can prove me wrong that would be great.

[justiceischeap]

55. I think plenty have proven you wrong. nt

[Darth_ Deciduous]

56. Ok, please use the evidence already provided

To prove me wrong.

Every single Jeep assembled in an overseas plant will not be assembled in the U.S.

[George II]

43. Maybe for the AMERICAN MARKET?????? Sheesh.....

[Darth_ Deciduous]

47. Just to reply to your question

I have not intimated that the entire Jeep production is moving to China, just the production that is intended to service the Asian market.

[bluesbassman]

52. So is that your position then, because that's Romney's.

Due to high shipping costs and high Chinese tariffs on complete vehicles, it is not cost effective for Jeep to manufacture vehicles in the US and export them to China. As a result very few are sold in China at this time. The ones that are are sold through third parties to extremely wealthy Chinese as "boutique" vehicles, not production vehicles.

Jeeps are not being produced in the US for export to China. Jeep plans to build vehicles domestically in China for the Chinese market. No US jobs impacted. Does that make sense to you now?

[Darth_ Deciduous]

54. Again

I am talking about the Asian market.

That includes Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, Australia, the Spratleys, western Russia.

[George II]

57. NO production is "moving" to China, NEW production is being set up in China....

...if the production IN China doesn't happen there will not be any production at all. There currently isn't ANY production of Jeeps in the US that would go to China.

It's not like Bain's Sensata where an American plant is being shut down in order for it's production to be shifted to China.

Is that clear enough?

[CreekDog]

62. a worldwide company isn't going to make all its vehicles in one country

when it sells to markets all over.

oh i wish they'd make them all in the USA, but that's not on the table and it wouldn't be if Romney were president either.

[George II]

41. I'm sure Chrysler has a link on their website that explains their position

[Darth_ Deciduous]

44. Thanks

I have read their explanations and it seems to me that they are thinking about opening up a production facility in China to service the Asian market.

[WilliamPitt]

10. Fail.

[trailmonkee]

16. Failed attempt at Troll Alert too...

... I was called a 'trigger happy alert-er'? WTF?

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

26. So I guess my Alert won't work either, eh?

Different jury, perhaps different results.

[trailmonkee]

30. go for it.... these are some sneaky fuckers...

[yellowcanine]

12. Oh man that is devastating. And it will resonate beyond Ohio. Romney punked himself.

[flamingdem]

22. Who is that in your gif?

Jeff Bridges?

[trailmonkee]

25. as non other than the 'dude' himself

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

27. That is very cool (nt)

[SCVDem]

28. Think aircraft

A country will buy and import a number, but for quantity, they want a contract agreement for local manufacturing. Nothing new here.

[ProudProgressiveNow]

36. +1000 nt

[tblue37]

59. Who is that hilariousdancing man? Is it Jeff Bridges?

And what is it from?

Could it be from The Big Liebowski?

[trailmonkee]

60. Yes! That is the dude.... Big Lebowski

[tblue37]

61. Ah--I just now saw your reply after having a lightbulb moment and

editing to ask if it was from Liebowski. Thanks.

(I don't remember that scene. I have to rewatch it.)