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cali

(114,904 posts)
Fri Nov 2, 2012, 05:33 AM Nov 2012

I don't have a clue as to who will win the Presidential election

Yes, I know what Nate says and I fervently hope he's right, but I have less a sense of this election than I can ever recall having over a presidential race. The polls are whack; some are wildly divergent and some show a very close race. It's difficult to assess what's utter bullshit and what's not in the swirl of spin.

I'm pretty sure we'll hold the Senate and make some modest gains in the House. I just hope like hell that the President pulls off a win.

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I don't have a clue as to who will win the Presidential election (Original Post) cali Nov 2012 OP
I anticipate an Obama win SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2012 #1
Okay. Drunken Irishman Nov 2012 #2
I am only worried about the election being stolen. liberal N proud Nov 2012 #3
I feel exactly thaw same way. KaryninMiami Nov 2012 #8
I will say that I disagree entirely about the polls... Drunken Irishman Nov 2012 #4
The polls do favor Obama at state level, but they are too tight for comfort. Democratopia Nov 2012 #5
meh, people forget they were tight four years ago in crucial states as well. Drunken Irishman Nov 2012 #6
Don't Agree, But Understand ProfessorGAC Nov 2012 #7
I HAD Felt The Same Way... KharmaTrain Nov 2012 #9
Oh, right. Prometheus Bound Nov 2012 #10

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
1. I anticipate an Obama win
Fri Nov 2, 2012, 05:45 AM
Nov 2012

But GOTV is critical, so I hope that people in general aren't complacent based on the polls.

liberal N proud

(60,336 posts)
3. I am only worried about the election being stolen.
Fri Nov 2, 2012, 05:55 AM
Nov 2012

And the wacked out polls make it easier to steal it with no suspicions.

It is all playing out that way.

KaryninMiami

(3,073 posts)
8. I feel exactly thaw same way.
Fri Nov 2, 2012, 07:05 AM
Nov 2012

The margins are just too close for comfort and I do not trust the machines. I'm hopeful but very very worried.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
4. I will say that I disagree entirely about the polls...
Fri Nov 2, 2012, 05:57 AM
Nov 2012

There is only one poll that shows this race leaning Romney and it's Gallup. Every other national poll shows the race for what it is - a tight popular vote and Obama leading in the electoral college. The state polls are very consistent, at least as consistent as they were four years ago, and if you look past Gallup, and even include Rasmussen (which shows the national race in the MOE), only a fool would say that Obama doesn't have a pretty significant edge right now.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
6. meh, people forget they were tight four years ago in crucial states as well.
Fri Nov 2, 2012, 06:01 AM
Nov 2012

His Ohio lead wasn't much bigger than it is now ... his Florida lead was razor thin ... and he trailed in most polls in North Carolina. Yeah, he had bigger margins in traditionally blue states, but states he had to win to put him over 270, the polls were pretty narrow.

ProfessorGAC

(65,076 posts)
7. Don't Agree, But Understand
Fri Nov 2, 2012, 06:03 AM
Nov 2012

I think part of this is a reaction to genuine fear of what will happen if MR does win. It would be such a repudiation of Democrats and an infusion of confidence for the idiocy of the prior 8 years and of the overrated 80's.

So, while i don't concur with your reasons for trepidation, i share the trepidation.

I'm likely more confident in the outcome, though.

KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
9. I HAD Felt The Same Way...
Fri Nov 2, 2012, 07:20 AM
Nov 2012

...a week or so ago. It was maddening to think that Willard not only had a chance to win but could lie and cheat his way into the White House. Several incidents that have happened have changed my opinion and now I feel confident President Obama will prevail in this awful election...

1.) Willard's lies about Chrysler...he's been getting pounded day and night by media in Ohio and his lies have finally caught up with him here. Any "mittmentum" stopped cold in its tracks and President Obama has once again moved his lead outside the MOE. When they ask why "white voted for Obama in Ohio"...here's your reason. Too many Willard lies. His flip flops and lies will also will cost him in Michigan, Iowa and Wisconsin.

2.) FEMA - his stuttering and ignoring if he'd cut funding (which rushpublicans still want to do) while millions of lives were ruined. Add this to his wanting to gut Social Security and Obamacare and Willard is behind a big 8 ball in Florida...not to count the high early voting numbers that made a big difference in '08 and look like, despite Scott's attempts at voter suppression, it'll happen again.

3.) CIC - Willard's worst day was Thursday...he's staging his own photo op while President Obama is looking cool and in charge on the ground in New Jersey. Add the handshake with Christie and now the endorsement of Colin Powell and Bloomberg and many true "independents" and those who want a more "bipartisan" government saw it in action...they saw a leader in action. The contrast to Katrina is sure to hit many...and the President's prompt action is sure to reassure those with doubts as to his ability to handle a crisis compared to Willard...whose tone deafness in this situation as in others reminds one of the worst of george hw bush and all other out of touch politicians.

4.) Ignore "Likely Voters"...the models that show Willard ahead. With such a short time before election (and voting already going on)...if you're likely and not registered...you don't count. I'm also reffering to those who didn't vote in '08 or '10 (a small number overall). The polling is all over the place cause we have so many pollsters with a wide range of clients and agendas. While you're nervous with Nate's projections, I feel confident he's giving as accurate a reading of this election of any pundit.

That said...yes there will be at least 42% of the populace will vote for the Bishop and against their own interests. You just can't fix stupid...but hopefully there's more sane people in this country than unhinged.

Cheers...

Prometheus Bound

(3,489 posts)
10. Oh, right.
Fri Nov 2, 2012, 09:06 AM
Nov 2012

Nov 1 - Presidential Polls 2012: Obama Leads Romney In Iowa, New Hampshire & Wisconsin
www.enstarz.com/articles/8786/20121101/presidential-polls-2012-obama-romney-iowa-new-hampshire-wisconsin.htm#BCZjUE2towlsQdbm.99

Nov 2 - Presidential Polls 2012: Latest CNN Poll Puts Obama Ahead Of Romney In Colorado
www.enstarz.com/articles/8806/20121102/presidential-polls-2012-latest-cnn-obama-romney-colorado.htm#bcRzsGlux6XYi8IS.99

Nov 2 - Presidential Polls 2012: Voters Overwhelmingly Think Obama Will Win on Tuesday
http://www.policymic.com/articles/17946/presidential-polls-2012-voters-overwhelmingly-think-obama-will-win-on-tuesday

Nov 2 - Obama Ahead in the Polls and Electoral College, After Hurricane Sandy Game Changer
http://www.policymic.com/articles/17977/obama-ahead-in-the-polls-and-electoral-college-after-hurricane-sandy-game-changer

Nov 2 - The current view of the 2012 presidential election Obama 259 Romney 191
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/romney-vs-obama-electoral-map

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