I haven't been paying attention, so what is the RW uproar over Benghazi?

[nobodyspecial]

What are they claiming and what has been debunked? And, yes, I Googled, but just got links to a bunch of crap. I trust the people here to explain it to me.

[Brother Buzz]

1. They're mad because no one is paying attention to Benghazi because it's a genuine non-starter

[Lucinda]

2. You can find it broken down and debunked at Snopes and Mother Jones.

[TwilightGardener]

3. 4 people died in a terrorist attack overseas.

Almost two months ago. I'm sure they're claiming all sorts of nefarious deeds by Obama, but the rest of America stubbornly refuses to get mad at him.

[nobodyspecial]

5. Give me credit. I'm not that clueless.

I just keep seeing these passing comments about Benghazi on FB and comment areas. Can't figure why their panties are in a twist.

[TwilightGardener]

9. I wasn't being smart. That's the whole story, as far as I'm concerned.

I have no idea why they're screaming.

[defacto7]

10. they're always screaming about something..

that's what they do is scream.. It doesn't have to have a reason. The only prerequisite is that it has to be a lie.

[Jim__]

4. One thing I know they were screaming about is that supposedly the military was told to ...

... stand down and not go to the aid of the embassy. The order supposedly came through the CIA (via the White House?). The source is someone on the ground in Benghazi. This has been explicitly and repeatedly denied by the CIA. But, the right wing nuts stand by their source.

There are other issues - like the embassy asking for improved security, a supposed misinformation campaign from the White House after the deaths, etc, etc, etc.

[Marcia Brady]

18. Could the order have come from

the military?

I've seen some of this stuff in various places, just doesn't seem to be getting a whole lot of traction, so there really must not be anything to it.

[Jim__]

20. The story is that the order came from the CIA.

The government has denied this story and their is no cited source to support it. RWers don't really care about sources or accuracy; just the noise.

[oldhippydude]

6. Issa gave up on "fast and furious"

forcing fox to manufacture another boogie man.." it's Obama's fault"

[leveymg]

7. It's the GOPs way of trying to coopt the Benghazi blowback without directly challenging the policy

of using Libyan Jihadis and looted antiaircraft missiles to arm the Syrian opposition. Had it worked as intended, that was envisioned by the neocons as a sort of twofer. Libyan militants knock off the Syrians - no need for western intervention or a no-fly zone, the Libyan MANPADs were supposed to do that. Problem is, those Sunni Jihadists getting the weapons don't really like us anymore than the Syrian Shi'ias, and SAM-7s are ideal for knocking down airliners.

Benghazi forced a reappraisal of the entire strategy of regime change. But, that's not what the GOP wants to talk about, so they're fixated on the fiction that Obama didn't do enough to protect Ambassador Stevens. The facts are too complicated for the simplistic narrative being offered up by Cong. King, and the like. The fact they can't wrap their heads around is that Stevens controlled his own security. He was comfortable operating without guards in Benghazi, where he was still immersed in the affairs of the militias he had personally coordinated during the overthrow of Gadhaffi.

[Arkansas Granny]

8. The RWNJ's only hear what they want to hear and totally disregard the facts.

They have been told by Rush and Fox News that Pres. Obama was responsible for the deaths at the embassy and, therefore , it must be true.

[durablend]

11. And you're forgetting

The EVUL Obama administration MANUFACTURED Sandy just so they could have a distraction from Bengazi!

Democrats are FREAKIN diabolical I tell ya!

[win_in_06]

12. They are saying that the current administration fabricated a story about a mob

reacting spontaneously to an anti-Muslim video posted on You Tube in order to obfuscate and cover-up the fact that it was a terrorist attack.

[justiceischeap]

13. and that President Obama was selling guns to Al Qaeda for Syria. nt

[UTUSN]

14. I'm posting this in all the threads like this I see (about 1/2doz so far). Here:

Sunday, John Mc5PLANES (McCAIN who crashed about 5 planes) was whining that the requests for security were so known that the ambassador had "even" told HIM about it, so it stands to reason that Mc5PLANES did NOTHING!1

And the key meme of the day is: "Somebody told me this is as bad as Watergate, well, nobody DIED in Watergate."

I don't know why Mc5PLANES and GINGRICH are seen as desirable guests for media yakking.


Wingnuts are pinning their hopes on PETRAEUS, but PETRAEUS has Romnesia!1

Wingnut outlets are aflood with hopes that PETRAEUS is “throwing OBAMA under the bus” and that he says “It wasn’t me” (who supposedly denied requests for help.

Well, that wasn’t what he was saying when he sent early briefings to Congress critters or when he testified, and a Rethug critter says there was no daylight between what he and what the Administration were saying at the time.

But the backdrop for all of their faux outrage is: TeaBagger congress critters blocked funds for State security since 2010. RAYGUN cut and ran when 299 marines & other personnel were bombed in Beirut; should he have FORESEEN it or responded in kind within an HOUR?!1 Besides that he negotiated with and armed terrorists. The Cuban 1st generation Exiles/CIA-ers hated JFK/Dems for their claims for military air support. VFW bars were frequent scenes of ground combat vets griping against Air Force vets for generically/anecdotally not providing air support upon IMMEDIATE demands.


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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57535773/cia-saw-possible-terror-ties-day-after-libya-hit-ap/

CIA saw possible terror ties day after Libya hit: AP (my/UTUSN edit:: “But...”)

AP/ October [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]19[/FONT], 2012, 5:18 AM

.... Such [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]raw[/FONT] intelligence reports by the CIA on the ground would normally be [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]sent first to[/FONT] analysts at the headquarters in [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]Langley[/FONT], Va., for vetting and comparing against other intelligence derived from eavesdropping drones and satellite images. [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]Only then[/FONT] would such intelligence generally be [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]shared with the White House and later, Congress[/FONT], a process that can take [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]hours, or days[/FONT] if the intelligence is coming only from one or two sources who may or may not be trusted.

U.S. intelligence officials say [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]in this case, the delay[/FONT] was due in part to the time it took to analyze various conflicting accounts. One official, speaking on condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to discuss the incident publicly, explained that it "was clear [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]a group of people gathered[/FONT] that evening" in Benghazi, but that [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]the early question was "whether extremists took over a crowd or they were the crowd."[/FONT] ....

[FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]"The early sense from the intelligence community differs from what we are hearing now[/FONT]," Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., said. "It ended up being pretty [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]far afield[/FONT], so we want to figure out why ... though we don't want to deter the intelligence community from sharing their best first impressions" after such events in the future.

[FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]"The intelligence briefings we got a week to 10 days after were consistent with what the administration was saying,"[/FONT] said Rep. William Thornberry, [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]R[/FONT]-Texas, a member of the House Intelligence and Armed Services committees. Thornberry would not confirm the existence of the early CIA report but voiced skepticism over [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]how sure[/FONT] intelligence officials, including CIA Director David [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]Petraeus, seemed of their original account[/FONT] when they briefed lawmakers on Capitol Hill. ....

Two officials who witnessed Petraeus' closed-door testimony to lawmakers in the week after the attack said that during questioning he acknowledged that there were some intelligence analysts who disagreed with the conclusion that an unruly mob angry over the video had initiated the violence. But those officials said [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]Petraeus[/FONT] did not mention the CIA's early eyewitness reports. He did [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]warn legislators that the account could change as more intelligence was uncovered[/FONT], they said, speaking on condition of anonymity because the hearing was closed. ....

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[kcks]

15. There

are a number of unanswered questions.
Why if it is now coming out they knew in a matter of hours it was not a mob did they blame it on a dumb video.
If there was two attacks this summer was security not increased.
Why was the security team pulled out in Sept.

Plus if this was a Rep. administration a lot of the people on this blog as well as others would be asking the same and more questions.

[justiceischeap]

16. Yes, there are a lot of unanswered questions

but having Fox Noise, Rush, Hannity, Beck and any other far-right blowhard hypothesizing or creating conjecture or outright lying gives us no answers and in fact, muddies the truth when it does come out. Since it was a CIA post, we will probably never get all the answers because there's this thing called National Security and we don't get all the answers when it comes to national security.

No matter what the investigation says, there will always be tons of mouth-breathers that there was some conspiracy, some dark, ulterior motive surrounding the "Muslim, Kenyan." There will be a whole segment of the Fox "educated" population that deny history and truth. And as bad as what happened in Benghazi was there have been greater failures, resulting in more loss of life, by Republican Presidents that weren't under near as much scrutiny--Beirut, 9/11.

[TwilightGardener]

17. Hi! I am still scratching my head over how 7000 Americans died under

Bush, between ignored intelligence (9/11) and FABRICATED intelligence (Iraq). Crazy, isn't it? But I digress--the media reported on and blamed the mobs, they broke out in several countries. Mitt Romney blamed the Egyptian embassy for "apologizing" to the mobs, remember? I guess he didn't know either!! Either way, I don't care how their investigation progressed from the first few hours until now--as long as they figure out what happened.

[nobodyspecial]

19. Thanks everyone for bringing me up to speed.

I knew I would find answers here.