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berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 11:51 AM Nov 2012

I Might Be Agreeing with Joe Scar over Nate. I think Nate's Wrong.

He's predicting a Romney Win in Florida.

I think Obama's going to take it.

Main indicators Nate's model is predicting a FL win for Romney: We Ask America and Gravis Polls, plus state fundamentals (which I think have changed due to voter registration). It would be a toss-up favoring Obama otherwise.

So, yeah, I think Nate's wrong here.

Otherwise, I agree with him

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I Might Be Agreeing with Joe Scar over Nate. I think Nate's Wrong. (Original Post) berni_mccoy Nov 2012 OP
Remember, Nate was right in 2010 justiceischeap Nov 2012 #1
In 2010 he had to predict several hundred races Shivering Jemmy Nov 2012 #2
That sort of strikes me in the opposite way. progressivebydesign Nov 2012 #10
No, calling congressional races is much harder. phleshdef Nov 2012 #13
Only in the handful of districts in the country that are actually competitive DefenseLawyer Nov 2012 #15
imo there will be enough fraud in Floriduh to give it to Rmoney... polichick Nov 2012 #3
They are already" losing" votes HockeyMom Nov 2012 #4
The Three Hardest States In Order To Pick A Winner DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #5
I'd put Ohio over VA. I feel VA is clearly in the win column for Obama. FSogol Nov 2012 #6
You Think VA Is Stronger Than OH DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #7
I worry about voting hijinks in Ohio. n/t FSogol Nov 2012 #8
Too Many People Watching DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #9
Hope so. The same doesn't hold true in Florida does it? FSogol Nov 2012 #11
Most Of The Shenanigans In FL Were Done In Plain Sight DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #14
I'd put CO in the top three over NC. geek tragedy Nov 2012 #12

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
1. Remember, Nate was right in 2010
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 11:53 AM
Nov 2012

in his prediction that Republics would take over but the numbers he predicted were lower than the actual count.

So, I think he somehow downplays the actual stats somehow.

Shivering Jemmy

(900 posts)
2. In 2010 he had to predict several hundred races
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 11:56 AM
Nov 2012

Most of which were polled only a few times. Given that he did spectacularly well.

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
10. That sort of strikes me in the opposite way.
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:29 PM
Nov 2012

MUCH easier to call races for Congress in 2010 where it was very clear that the Dem turn out was going to be low, and with only a handful of polls to analyze.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
13. No, calling congressional races is much harder.
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:45 PM
Nov 2012

Congressional races are more volatile to changes and there isn't nearly as much polling available.

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
15. Only in the handful of districts in the country that are actually competitive
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:52 PM
Nov 2012

Most districts are gerrymandered to give one party or the other a clear advantage that, barring the appearance of a dead girl or a live boy, as Edwin Edwards used to say, the outcome isn't normally in doubt.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
3. imo there will be enough fraud in Floriduh to give it to Rmoney...
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 11:58 AM
Nov 2012

I say that as a Floridian who loves the state and knows the Republicon party there.

FSogol

(45,485 posts)
6. I'd put Ohio over VA. I feel VA is clearly in the win column for Obama.
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:15 PM
Nov 2012

Look at Kaine's big statewide lead over Allen.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
7. You Think VA Is Stronger Than OH
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:26 PM
Nov 2012

Interesting. You could be right. However I largely defer to aggregate polling in my analysis. The only time I put my finger on the scale is when the margin is < 1% or I intuitively know aggregate polling is off which is almost never as it should be.

Instances of gut picks was calling CA and NH for Hillary in the 08 primaries despite polling to the contrary. Again, those were isolated instances. Going with your gut is almost never a better approach than going with the data.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
9. Too Many People Watching
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:29 PM
Nov 2012

I think a lot of people do the right thing not because they are noble but because they are concerned about the consequences of doing the wrong thing and getting caught.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
14. Most Of The Shenanigans In FL Were Done In Plain Sight
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:47 PM
Nov 2012

However I would have liked to have seen the spoiled ballots from heavily African American precincts in Duval County. There were reportedly thousands of them.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
12. I'd put CO in the top three over NC.
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:42 PM
Nov 2012

CO is a better prospect for Team O, but Republicans still outnumber Democrats there.

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