How many times do we have to get punched in the face before we realize, you know what...
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GOV. ANDREW CUOMO (D), NEW YORK: I think it would be short sighted. And I think we need to anticipate more of these extreme weather type situations in the future.
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MORGAN: Your Governor Andrew Cuomo making it clear that America will see more superstorms like Sandy. Are they being caused by global warming? Back with my special guest, Michael Moore. I heard Michael Bloomberg saying the same thing, that he in all his time in New York had never known a more unstable year for weather. And he believed very firmly it is about global warming. Not enough is being done about this and it will get worse. What do you think?.
MOORE: I think it already has gotten worse. I think we are way down the road here. We are -- we are in big trouble. And we're still having a debate in Congress as to whether or not there really is global warming. This is -- this is -- I'm -- the people, and it's the majority of Americans -- the majority of Americans believe that we've got a climate problem. And the majority of Americans believe in science.
(CROSS TALK)
MOORE: We've allowed the ignoramuses to run the show on this. And this storm should really put an end to that.
MORGAN: Could it possibly be that the fact that we've only been measuring weather since 1898 -- could it just be a global cyclical weather thing that is going down, that actually it's not warming? It's something that may have happened 500 years ago, 1,000 years ago? You get pockets of this. And we don't have the records to back that up?
Could it be that?
MOORE: I will answer the way that Mayor Bloomberg answered this afternoon. Yeah, it could be that. You want to take the risk? You want to take the risk of that?
What if you are wrong? What if you're wrong and we're not prepared, like we weren't prepared for this. And we won't be prepared for the next thing. We weren't prepared for the drought this summer. How many times do we have to get punched in the face before we realize, you know what, somebody is punching me in the face.
MORGAN: Let's bring somebody who is used to taking the blow, CNN meteorologist Chad Myers. Chad, you've been in this game nearly three decades. Is this global warming that we're seeing? From a meteorological point of view, is there any other explanation?
CHAD MYERS, CNN METEOROLOGIST: It is the prime suspect. I don't have another one. I mean, maybe particulates in the air, so the rain drops can -- the moisture can get on the drops and get bigger. But I'll tell you what, I think probably Sandy would have existed without global warming. Don't get me wrong. But the water was warmer. The water is one degree warmer now than it was in 1970. That one degree warmer probably made the strong 10 percent stronger.
Now that doesn't sound like a big deal. But if you take that 10 percent, you realize that if you double the wind speed from 20 to 40 miles per hour. You have now raised the force of that wind by four times. And then you go 40 to 80. And now all of a sudden, you are not just doubled. You are now 16 times where you were on 20 to 80. So that 10 percent seems like a small number. But that 10 percent was enough of an increase to make the whole thing a superstorm.
Then you have to get into was there a blocking high over Greenland because there's no sea ice up there this year? And that's a whole other thing. But without that blocking high, this storm turns out into the ocean.
(CROSS TALK)
MORGAN: Michael's chomping at the bit to get in about what you said.
MOORE: Chad, I want to ask you a question. We've had 50 degree weather here in New York this week during this storm. I have never heard of a hurricane occurring in 50 degree weather. I mean, what -- I mean, seriously, if people are just thinking this is a freak accident of nature, I just think that is a dangerous road to go down.
MYERS: Yes. Sandy developed in the tropics. Sometimes the tropics and the mid-latitudes -- sometimes they don't get together. And what should have, could have happened, had that blocking high not been there, it would have turned out to sea and it would have been a big gutter ball. But that blocking high was there, turned it back to the United States. And then the cold air that you talked about, Michael, gets sucked up into this thing, even enhances it more. And we have ourselves what we called Superstorm Sandy.
MOORE: Just in case anybody missed it, Chad's last comment, he mentioned that the sea ice in Greenland is gone. It's gone this summer, melted.
MORGAN: Do you believe the science is now incontrovertible?
MOORE: Absolutely, absolutely.
MORGAN: And when you hear mainly Republicans, it must be said, say the science is just a load of bunk, what do you say to them?
MOORE: These are the same people that say that Adam and Eve road on dinosaurs 6,000 years ago. OK. I consider the source. And what I would say to them is what I just said to you. Let's say that, you know, maybe you are right, but do you want to take the chance that maybe you are not right? Because what is the harm in preparing or changing our way of life so that we don't destroy the planet? We are destroying the planet
And as the emerging third world buys cars and builds cars and does things, they are going to want the same thing we have had. And that atmosphere of our isn't going to take it.
http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1210/31/pmt.01.html
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Hopefully he's got a new documentary in the works about this.
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I'll save watching scary stuff like that until after Obama gets voted in for his second term, though. Need to be careful with my adrenalin supplies, IYKWIM?
It's always a pleasure to see you!
Keep up the good fight.
I certainly hope Moore will make a documentary on climate change--he has a way of personalizing--putting a face--to the issues.
thanx Turborama
to make his point.
Glad Obama and Kerry made Moore and his loser Twitter followers eat his words. They ain't got squat to say since O kicked Mute's tail in them last two debates. 
MM's not always right. But he has a "proven progressive record" if that's what you're going on. He has made a substantial contribution to the national dialogue in so many ways. He's hated by right wingers. Isn't that good enough?
I don't think they were too bad at all considering the high tension of this election. I think the slam at Kerry was over the top, but I kind of agree with everything else...
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MM said:
"Obama please be Obama! You sound like a Democrat (wimpy)."
(Well it was not a good night for Obama... what I hear in that is admiration and huge disappointment).
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MM said:
"I just don't know what to say. Romney changed stripes again tonight, spoke many untruths and like a thief stole the night."
(I have to agree. I felt frustrated. Obama didn't deal with Romney's chameleon act well).
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HOWEVER I thought Obama kicked Rmoney's ass in the second debate. MM should have been OK with that one.
So..........................
Ya gotta let Mike be Mike. Everybody knows he's an independent left-wing liberal and not a part of the Obama campaign. He's a damn fine documentary filmmaker.
I agreed it was harsh. I like Kerry & feel he was robbed of the presidency. But it's not worth all this over-reaction. Everybody sees it as Moore being Moore and he's not influencing anybody. People throw out a lot of bile when they're nervous and upset.
You're just wasting your time looking for blame. Not everything out of people's mouths can be programmed just the way you want. MM doesn't speak for Dems. He's entitled to his opinions. He's entitled to speak to the quality of a performance--it's his area of expertise after all.
I think yours and Michael Moore's over-reactions come from one & the same place--nerves and desperation--and a profound desire to see Obama win this election. The same place.
He's fiery & opinionated. You're fiery & opinionated. So go with the faction that makes you feel best. 
Moore's tweets were not as terrible as you make out. Obama's performance in the first debate WAS seriously disappointing. But BO has more than made up for it since. He stomped him in the third debate. My fave was the second, where Obama came off as caring, Rmoney came off as the robotic soul-less mouthpiece that he is.
It's sad to me that a president has to be such a performer--only in America. It's like watching "Championship Wrestling--Politics." We the rabid fans are entitled to act like idiots in the heat of the simulated battle.
Didn't see that at first.
Will do a wait and see on him, but was calling it like me and others saw it. To each his/her own. Peace.
There's no time to waste with bitter grudges.
The Moore the merrier, if you'll excuse the pun.
from one Moore fan to another. He's not perfect but he sure is on our side! I still remember every scene from Sicko. so.......................? He DOES get to comment from the sidelines.
I just don't get this big hate on Michael Moore. I doubt anyone in the Obama campaign is losing any sleep over it. So why are you bothering? He can't hurt Obama with a few frustrated, disappointed, angry tweets 
Moore is Moore--some like him, some don't --but he has a voice and he has said SOME things that DO need saying.
You're very upset about Michael Moore's tweets and spending a lot of time making sure everyone knows it.
My advice, if there's any point in sharing it, get over the stupid tweets and focus on the bigger picture.
Is there anything in the OP you disagree with?
Ok, the message is about Climate Change. Doesn't mean that you can ignore the agenda or forget what that person said.
Guess we just agree to disagree. Will just say that at least our President seems to respect the people aka Dems, Liberals that do the heavy lifting. Unfortunately, some so-called "supporters" (not calling out anyone) will never get that message.
Best of luck to getting the word out on this issue. Peace.
