Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 02:14 PM Oct 2012

Dog debarking policy at AVMA raises activists' howls of protest

When Porter, a 123-pound black Newfoundland, attempts to bark, it comes out as a raspy cough. When Lola, a 6-pound long-haired Chihuahua, tries, she emits only a whispery squeak.

Both dogs have been “devocalized," or surgically muffled, using a controversial procedure regarded as either barbaric mutilation by lazy pet owners -- or as the last resort of animal lovers desperate to keep their furry companions.

Porter’s owner, Sue Perry, a 58-year-old Connecticut bookkeeper, and Lola’s owner, Karen Mahmud, a 43-year-old New York nutrition blogger, fall squarely into the first camp. They’re part of the Coalition to Protect and Rescue Pets, an activist group that helped get the practice known as “debarking” or "devoicing" outlawed in Massachusetts two years ago. Now they have set their sights on the American Veterinary Medical Association.

“It’s very, very upsetting,” said Mahmud, who also got Lola from a rescue group and says she watches the tiny dog suffer with constant coughing and acting like there's something stuck in her throat. “I would never think that it’s OK to put a dog under needless torture. If a dog barks, a dog barks.”

http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/25/14677222-dog-debarking-policy-at-avma-raises-activists-howls-of-protest?lite

14 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Dog debarking policy at AVMA raises activists' howls of protest (Original Post) joeybee12 Oct 2012 OP
If you're not in a position to theinquisitivechad Oct 2012 #1
I agree...and not only did these people "debark" those dogs, they later joeybee12 Oct 2012 #2
Interesting get the red out Oct 2012 #3
That so-and-so from the AKC is a piece of work... joeybee12 Oct 2012 #4
A lot of them have more $$$ on their minds get the red out Oct 2012 #5
Yup...more puppies, more money... joeybee12 Oct 2012 #6
Bingo!!!! hamsterjill Oct 2012 #8
I think we need to protest at all the AKC shows... joeybee12 Oct 2012 #11
I think you're right. hamsterjill Oct 2012 #12
I also think that people at home who tune in think, Wow, joeybee12 Oct 2012 #14
k&r Liberal_in_LA Oct 2012 #7
That's really sick. HopeHoops Oct 2012 #9
Yup... joeybee12 Oct 2012 #10
My Chihuahua also coughs acts like there is something stuck in her throat, RebelOne Oct 2012 #13

theinquisitivechad

(322 posts)
1. If you're not in a position to
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 02:25 PM
Oct 2012

Allow your dog to bark, or retrain one that does so constantly...don't get a dog. Jeez Louise. The inhumanity of people is unbelievable. Sometimes I wonder how "humane" is even etymologically related to our species.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
2. I agree...and not only did these people "debark" those dogs, they later
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 02:28 PM
Oct 2012

abandoned them...I would assume most such dogs do eventually get tossed out by their asshole owners.

get the red out

(13,466 posts)
3. Interesting
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 02:33 PM
Oct 2012

I noticed it was an AKC person who thinks the procedure is just fine. The same organization that thinks bulldogs that can barely breathe meet their breed standard just fine also.

If it is harmful to dogs, it shouldn't be done unless medically necessary, JMO. Training is cheaper.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
4. That so-and-so from the AKC is a piece of work...
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 02:52 PM
Oct 2012

Saying that spaying and neutering is the same thing...what a *%&$$

hamsterjill

(15,222 posts)
8. Bingo!!!!
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 03:42 PM
Oct 2012

You got it!

In my city, we are trying to get to "no kill". Everything that would do any good is being opposed by the AKC and its affiliates. They are constantly trying to intimidate city officials. They have no interest in the animals. They ARE interested in the money from the sales.

It's truly disgusting.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
11. I think we need to protest at all the AKC shows...
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 05:00 PM
Oct 2012

I wonder if people watching those and attending know what the AKC is all about.

hamsterjill

(15,222 posts)
12. I think you're right.
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 05:13 PM
Oct 2012

As for the attendees, I think some just don't care, some refuse to believe that they are part of the problem, and some just see it as advertising their business.

We have a local group that goes by a different name, but is well funded and well connected to the AKC. In a city where we euthanize about 30,000 per year these days (down from 50,000 about 3 years ago), this group constantly spews the "fear speech" that if breeders aren't allowed to breed, that we will run out of dogs and cats for adoption.

I would LOVE to see that day happen. Yeah, right! The breeders breed, and people are actually stupid enough to buy from them. When the breeders get tired of the business, or if they happen to have a litter that isn't "perfect" they dump them for the rescues and shelters to try to save.

In a city where the problem is too many animals, we don't need to have ANY ONE adding to the number of animals that need homes.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
14. I also think that people at home who tune in think, Wow,
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 05:52 PM
Oct 2012

these people must really love dogs...they don't, a lot of them. Corporate sponsorship by pet products should be targeted also.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
13. My Chihuahua also coughs acts like there is something stuck in her throat,
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 05:52 PM
Oct 2012

but I read on a dog site that is common with Chihuahuas because they often have a collapsed trachea. And my dog has never been debarked, though sometimes I think about it.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Dog debarking policy at A...