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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDo not vote a straight Democratic ticket.
Please make sure you vote individually for each candidate. Straight ticket votes can be flipped. Please take the time to mark each vote individually and then review your vote before exiting the booth.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251173843
This happened in Austin, Texas but can happen and does happen elsewhere.
DearHeart
(692 posts)efhmc
(14,731 posts)have done it for years and think it is still safe to do.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)There was one Democratic county commissioner I know personally who is a complete crook and I would never vote for him for a million years. So it was: Vote for every other Dem individually.
Luckily, I enjoy filling in the little ovals.
MrModerate
(9,753 posts)The Democratic spot was hijacked by a LaRoucheite loon (because the Texas Democratic Party has given up on the district, sadly).
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)I figure it may be harder to mess with.
efhmc
(14,731 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Must be something world-shattering.
efhmc
(14,731 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)or a tweet.
The first time my dad took me to vote, he told me to mark each candidate. This was way back in the day when there were these giant voting machines. Little metal toggle like switches in front of each name/issue. WHen you pulled the big lever to open the curtain, it registered your vote.
efhmc
(14,731 posts)Applies even more so now days.
w8liftinglady
(23,278 posts)I have already alerted our candidates here.
The Romney voting machine being used here.
efhmc
(14,731 posts)Jazzgirl
(3,744 posts)I am in Arlington and just told another friend about it. Thanks for letting me know it's happening here. I usually always vote individually. I have always suspected with these damn machines they were doing it here.
Thanks for watching out for us Texans!
MagickMuffin
(15,943 posts)I saw your post about the vote switching in Arlington. Did you witness this happening?
I'm about to contact the Election Admin Steve Raborn about this. He assured me that the machines here in Tarrant County cannot be hacked or switched or tampered with at all. Perhaps it is time to send him some info about this.
Steve Raborn <SRRaborn@TarrantCounty.com>
He is pretty good at responding to emails, or at least he has never failed to answer mine.
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)w8liftinglady
(23,278 posts)robinlynne
(15,481 posts)Of course that has nothing to do with hackability, just an aside.
There is no such thing is a non hackable computer, really.
bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)every single Democratic candidate rather than taking the easy way out by just taking care of that single one.
efhmc
(14,731 posts)great joy in voting for a green or other.
GoCubsGo
(32,086 posts)Where I live, half or more of the candidates are usually rethugs who run unopposed.
Also, I have and will vote for one republican, the coroner. I know he is best qualified for the position, because he was trained by his predecessor, a Democrat and the first female coroner in South Carolina. She was the best, and it was her wish that this man succeed her.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)As I said on my Facebook page:
Friends don't let friends vote for Lizard People
w8liftinglady
(23,278 posts)Lex
(34,108 posts)even if voting a straight ticket
efhmc
(14,731 posts)sadbear
(4,340 posts)It's pretty commonplace these days for me to vote for some obscure third party candidate so I can show my displeasure with ALL republicans.
w8liftinglady
(23,278 posts)southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)I don't know how he made it as far as he got in the primaries. The sad thing was after the primaries people found out about him and now people know it will be a shoe in for Corker. The dem party has rejected him. So I voted for Mickey Mouse as a protest vote.
sadbear
(4,340 posts)No, I wouldn't have voted for him either.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)antigone382
(3,682 posts)There are two loonies, one guy I'm OK with (he's a classic Tennessee blue dog, as far as I can tell), and Park Overall, a pretty progressive, former actress out of Knoxville. I know she won't win and probably couldn't in Tennessee anyway, but she's got my vote this time around.
I will be quite excited to vote for Eric Stewart over Scott "Abortions are bad except for my former mistress/patient" Desjarlais for my district's house seat.
tnlurker
(1,020 posts)He might have made it a race for Corker. I'll either write in Park Overall of vote for the Green party candidate.
antigone382
(3,682 posts)I forget the name of the guy...
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)She's the genuine article, knew her slightly years ago and I'd gladly vote for her given the chance.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)Rhiannon12866
(205,552 posts)There was often no Democratic candidate running for Congress until Kirsten Gillibrand ran and won in 2006. We lost the seat again in 2010 after she went to the Senate. Now we're redistricted. *sigh*
I try to find someone to vote for in each office, but the local races are sometimes impossible.
efhmc
(14,731 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Several DUers have run campaigns -- one for a House seat in Ohio.
sadbear
(4,340 posts)Yeah, if no other Democrat steps up, I've thought about it.
progressoid
(49,991 posts)efhmc
(14,731 posts)Edited to add, "I think."
ProSense
(116,464 posts)If the person votes individual, why wouldn't be easier to show that the person voted individually to justify a flipped voted?
Votes have been flipped, I'm just not understanding the logic of straight versus individual, especially since the flip is only at the top of the ticket.
efhmc
(14,731 posts)In the other method, you place a mark individually by each candidate. The machine could be rigged to make your vote mark Romnesia or any other repug, but if you mark it yourself, the machine does not get to make the choice.
AndyTiedye
(23,500 posts)Last edited Thu Oct 25, 2012, 02:14 PM - Edit history (1)
It would be just as easy to flip individual votes, but people would be more likely to notice.
Our worst fears about Hart Intercivic are being realized.
efhmc
(14,731 posts)They really do not believe in democracy.
formercia
(18,479 posts)but other votes remain the same. It could show a statistical bias indicating a flip. There are other votes on the Ballot, perhaps for Bonds or Referendums. Why would someone vote a straight GOP ticket, but all other votes indicate a Liberal bias?
By analyzing the voting patterns of a substantial number of issues, it becomes clear that something is fishy.
efhmc
(14,731 posts)If that were the case, we wouldn't have this problem to begin with.
formercia
(18,479 posts)This time around, it will be 'No Prisoners taken,'
If they want to 'Push the envelope', the GOP better be ready to take the consequences.
efhmc
(14,731 posts)formercia
(18,479 posts)Warriors to the Front. Cowards and Weaklings to the Rear.
Hoka-Hey! (Let's do this.)
Crazy Horse before the Battle of the Little Big Horn
efhmc
(14,731 posts)She says that our eslates can not do any flipping. She is VERY conscientious about getting judges, making sure the machines are working correctly, etc. I believe that my vote will be valid here in this 75% very right wing county. I hope everyone else is as lucky. Going to early vote in a while.
formercia
(18,479 posts)That's good to know.
I never vote republican I always vote Indivual democrats In races here In Missouri.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)But thanks for the recommendation for those who do.
efhmc
(14,731 posts)It is outdated and though I would NEVER vote for anyone who supports the repug platform, I think having to look at and consider each person running would be a good thing,
frazzled
(18,402 posts)and for some of those, not even in every case:
A total of 15 states presently offer straight-ticket voting (STV). With a few exceptions, the straight-ticket option is available in all elections, including primaries, and applies to all offices on the ticket, including federal, state and local races. The states with STV are:
Alabama
Oklahoma
Indiana
Pennsylvania
Iowa
Rhode Island (3)
Kentucky
South Carolina
Michigan
Texas
New Jersey (1)
Utah
New Mexico (4)
West Virginia
North Carolina (2)
1. In New Jersey, straight-ticket voting is available only in primary elections.
2. In North Carolina straight-ticket voting is available for all races except for presidential electors.
3. In Rhode Island, straight-ticket voting is available only in general elections.
4. The New Mexico secretary of state has decided not to offer a straight-ticket option in the November 2012 election. While it has historically been offered by tradition, it is not required by the state statutes or constitution.
http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/straight-ticket-voting.aspx
efhmc
(14,731 posts)Samjm
(320 posts)Definitely.no straight ticket choice on the mail in ballots in CO.
No Vested Interest
(5,167 posts)No straight party ticket.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)We used to have it. But Republicans, who historically ruled the State, thought getting rid of straight ticket voting would help them. Probably they figured all those city voters were too stupid and lazy to vote down ticket.
It obviously did not work as the State switched to Democratic control the last three gubenatorial elections. Even flipped the State House from Republican to Democratic.
meadowlark5
(2,795 posts)Is there some option where you just check - "all dem" or "all repub"?
I'm voting all dem but am filling in a box next to each name. Is that different than what you guys are talking about?
efhmc
(14,731 posts)straight dem or repug and then you just go to any other matters to be voted on: i.E propositions and amendments, etc.
meadowlark5
(2,795 posts)Mine's a paper ballot (mail in) and I am selecting each candidate individually. Thanks for the explanation. I don't think I've ever seen that with any of my voting ballots here in Colorado.
efhmc
(14,731 posts)power,
ProSense
(116,464 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)California doesn't.
hamsterjill
(15,222 posts)We have many instances where there is no Democratic choice. I always vote each race individually because it still gives me some satisfaction to simply "vote against" a Republican.
I always go slowly, deliberately, and I always review my ballot. Voting is something that I take very seriously. Everyone should be doing the same thing. It is not something one should do in a rush.
efhmc
(14,731 posts)Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)and a straight ticket may inadvertently include them.
efhmc
(14,731 posts)Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)CrispyQ
(36,478 posts)Fuck them all.
I'm also starting to question friends & acquaintances who vote for them. If you know about this & still support them, shame on you. If you don't know about this & are an ignorant, low-info voter, shame on you. Either fucking way, if you are a repub, shame on you.
efhmc
(14,731 posts)judge in a predominantly repug area and runs as a repug. His ancestors would all uniformly roll over in their graves. He tells me this is the only way he can be elected. That is so sad in so many ways.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)In Maine the DSCC is not endorsing any candidate since Angus King seems to be polling better than both the Dem & Repub candidate combined. Angus King is progressive and endorsed Obama in 2008. Although he has not committed to aligning to any party during the campaign more than likely he'll end up with the Democrats. If we get another Bernie Sanders out of him who are we to complain. But the last thing we want is another 3-way split allowing another Teabagger to get elected to office. Bad enough Maine has to put up with that jerk LaPage for 2 more years.
In Tennessee it was a 6 way battle for the democratic nomination and somehow a member of a Hate Group (as idenitifed by the Southern Poverty Law Center) got the nomination. From what i've read a Teabagger opted to run as a Democrat just to go ahead with Bob Corker who doesn't seam nutty enough for the Tea Party. The DSCC will not endorse the candidate and the Democrats will not give any money towards the race. I hate to say it the folks in Tennessee it would probably be better for the you to vote 3rd party or just not vote in that particular race. Should the 'Democrat' win the election (he's been running a close race) he will pretty much be shut out of the party since the democrats do not want the member of a hate group as part of their ranks. I highly suggest you NOT straight 'D' in that election.
efhmc
(14,731 posts)Jennicut
(25,415 posts)I would vote for King in Maine to keep the teabagger out if I was a Mainer.
This is the only poll I could find on the Corker/Clayton race:
Tennessee - 2012 Senate - Clayton 27%, Corker 48% (YouGov 10/4-10/11)
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)which is kinda odd
demosincebirth
(12,540 posts)to organize a collective bargaining union. That's my number one requisite.
efhmc
(14,731 posts)not the worker, keep the power.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)for instance, in California.
but what you're saying makes sense to me.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)but in the end he switched to Democrats.
demosincebirth
(12,540 posts)The Last Democrat
(73 posts)I have never seen a repug do anything for the working people they been against everything we needed. Medical, Pensions, Overtime, Working hours, hourly raises, you name it, they have been again everything, and the same with the Chamber of Commerce.
dembotoz
(16,808 posts)lexw
(804 posts)When we can't even have our right to vote protected.
...and how do these lying, cheating thugs live with themselves?
Mary in S. Carolina
(1,364 posts)vduhr
(603 posts)and they have done away with the straight ticket ballot this time (we also have had paper ballots since the 2008 election). I was unhappy about the straight ticket going away, but after reading your post, it makes sense.
lalalu
(1,663 posts)We don't have this in my state but thanks for the info.
inamatteroftime
(135 posts)one of the questions was "Will you vote a straight Democratic ticket?"!
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)Doc Holliday
(719 posts)"Never vote straight ticket by the lazy man's method."
Check those boxes one by one. Savor the moment.
Besides (as I think someone pointed out upthread), there may not be a Democrat on the ballot for a given office. Why cheat yourself out of the chance to vote against a Republican?
Bake
(21,977 posts)I only get to vote every couple of years. I want to ENJOY it! I enjoy filling in the ballot for EACH RACE! I savor the experience.
Bake
R. P. McMurphy
(834 posts)and I had to write in candidates. Otherwise my selections were straight Democratic. Did the write-ins make my ballot safer?
barbiegeek
(1,140 posts)w8liftinglady
(23,278 posts)LeftInTX
(25,383 posts)xxqqqzme
(14,887 posts)but I have never had a ballot where it was possible. Is this primarily a regional practice?
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)My boss threatened to fire me and my 7 co-workers if we voted Democratic.
We were pulled into a meeting at our Westinghouse service center in Lake Oswego
Oregon and were told, " If you vote for Dems, your jobs will be gone" I stood up,
told my boss he was full of shit and bet him 1k dollars that if Dems got in, not only would
our jobs be safe, but we would all prosper. Here's what happened: My wife and my
income tripled within a year, we bought our first house, we bought 2 new cars,
I got to golf 3 times a week and we went skiing every weekend during the winter.
Here's the thing, the meeting with our boss was 2 weeks before Bill Clinton was elected.
I am still waiting for the 1k my boss still owes me.
PMcDee
(43 posts)both technologically and politically.
AAO
(3,300 posts)We have optical scan and you have to complete the arrow with a black magic marker that points to the candidate of your choice. I go down through every one, connecting arrows to the democrat in each race. If there is no democrat in a particular race, leave it blank. Fuck the American Taliban!
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)That was part of the bill that brought us Voter ID.
AAO
(3,300 posts)gkhouston
(21,642 posts)But yes, avoid the "straight party" button. It's an obvious target.
MrsBrady
(4,187 posts)and they can take it from there....
http://www.traviscountydemocrats.org/
In Austin, this is whom you would contact.
Make sure they know what time, who was the voter, where,
so they can make a formal complaint.
Bitching about it doesn't do any good, you have to call them and let them know
what is going on so they can do something about it.
Also, I might add, I'm familiar with the machines as I have election judged...
sometimes people emphasis vote and you are not supposed to do that on the
electronic ballots as it will unselect your candidate.
Vote straight party or go through one by one and select, but not both.
The paper ballots on election day do allow for emphasis voting, just not the electronic machines.
marble falls
(57,112 posts)I will also had no qualms about voting for the Democrat (I do not remember the name) against Ted Cruz here in Central Texas -an evil spirited little Teabilly who will receive a lot of the Hispanic vote by folks who don't know about his agenda for the 47% of us. Don't vote straight any ticket. These folks want to have a social structure including law in a middle-ages feudal-serf mode.
w8liftinglady
(23,278 posts)You are an "old-school" Republican... just like my dad.
Paul Sadler is very moderate in his views...just like most Texans.
I've worked on his campaign for almost a year and can vouch for his integrity
marble falls
(57,112 posts)I'm fighting Bob LaFollette, Teddy Roosevelt, Bob Taft, DE Eisenhower, Nixon (with the exception of his Water Gate years and Viet Nam, I voted for McGovern that year), Rockefeller (except for Attica) plus a bunch others, kind of Republican. National health is a national resource and it needs to be conserved. Single payer is really what we need with no whiff of private enterprise. No fracking. No Keystone. You know when Reagan raised the effective tax rate to 35%, he was asked why, and he said it was because the rich couldn't be trusted to pay their fair share. Some folks have no sense of facts in their history and they're passing themselves off as "Republicans"
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)but he signed two major income tax bills, one that *lowered* the top tax rate from 70% to 50% (1981), and another one that lowered the top tax rate from 50% to 28% (1986). The 1986 bill also *raised* the bottom rate from 11% to 15%. And Reagan also increased the FICA payroll deduction rate, which had the largest impact on low-wage earners. His tax policies helped to spur a dramatic increase in the Top 1%'s share of income, going from 8.4% of national income in 1984, to 13.5% in 1989.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Reform_Act_of_1986
marble falls
(57,112 posts)that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and thats crazy. [...] Do you think the millionaire ought to pay more in taxes than the bus driver or less?" - Reagan in 1985
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/08/reagan-was-for-taxing-millionaires-says-new-dem-ad/
322 days ago
Reagan was for taxing millionaires, says new Dem ad
Posted by
CNN's Kevin Liptak
(CNN) - An independent group backing President Barack Obama's reelection campaign will hit airwaves Thursday with an ad reminding voters of former Pres. Ronald Reagan's stance on taxes.
The 30-second spot, from the Democratic group Priorities USA, uses a mock newscast to showcase the former Republican president advocating for higher taxes on millionaires.
Reagan is shown saying, "We're going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that have allowed some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. They sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying 10% of his salary and that's crazy. Do you think the millionaire ought to pay more in taxes than the bus driver?"
An announcer follows up, asking, "Ronald Reagan supported millionaires paying their fair share. Don't you?"
<snip>
"Republicans should listen to President Reagan and, as he said, 'close the unproductive tax loopholes that have allowed some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share.'"
The Reagan spot isn't the first time a former president has been used in political advertising this year. In November, the conservative group Crossroads GPS spent over $2 million to run an ad in swing states contrasting Obama's jobs plan to statements from former President Bill Clinton.
<snip>
CNN's Gabriella Schwarz contributed to this report
BTW - I am no fan of Truman Democrat, Ronald Reagan and all his little NeoCon acolytes.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)and that is one of the biggest acts he pulled on the American people. The end result, for all his bloviating, was that his rich buddies made out like bandits, while an increasing tax burden (both income and FICA taxes) was being imposed on the people at the lower end of the wage scale.
marble falls
(57,112 posts)we'll disagree on that and agree the re-election of the President is important for most Americans regardless of what party affiliation and that Cruz is a Teabilly, and that his Democratic challenger got my vote. Troy Frazier did not get my vote even though he had no opponent.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Under Reagan, the top tax rate went from 70% all the way down to 28% in just 5 years, with plenty of loopholes left for rich people to waltz through.
Meanwhile, the tax rate for the lowest income bracket went from 14% to 11% for a while, but then it was jacked up to 15%. On top of that, the FICA tax was raised from 6.13% to 7.51% (much more for the self-employed), and that had the greatest impact on the people like me at the bottom end of the scale.
And under Reagan, the share of national income for people in the top 1% went from around 8% in 1984 to more than 13% in 1989.
So please don't try to sell me on the cock-and-bull story that Reagan had any real interest in making the income tax system more equitable.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,123 posts)last_texas_dem
(7,298 posts)I never vote straight ticket anyway, as I'd be leaving far too many races completely blank, here in TX. There are inevitably races where there is no Democrat running, and I have to choose between a Republican, a Libertarian, and a Green, and even a couple where my only choice is between a Libertarian and a Republican (ugh!). (That's not even mentioning the handful of local offices where the only option is a Republican; I just leave those completely blank.)
oliverrams1
(60 posts)Thanks for the information. I will take the time to vote for each candidate.
JackN415
(924 posts)That's better than just speculation.
I voted straight ticket already and didn't bother to check. But I think it was impossible for Romney mistake that I didn't catch. Because I made sure NO republican gets my vote. Either Green Party, or blank if there is no Dem.
We should be very vigilant for mistake but if anyone has hard evidence, please document it so that it can get press coverage and formally investigated by the State election official.
efhmc
(14,731 posts)w8liftinglady
(23,278 posts)They continue to use those machines.
Gothmog
(145,323 posts)First, there is an e-mail circulating telling people that if they vote a straight party ticket, they have to vote separately in the Presidential race. That e-mail is circulating in my county. That e-mail is based on North Carolina election law and is not true for any other state.
In Texas on many machines, if you vote a straight party ticket and then vote again for the candidate, the software may flip the vote. This is called emphasis voting. Straight party voting works on these machines so long as you do not try to vote again in a race covered by the straight party ticket.
Second, the best thing to do in all cases is to check the summary screen before you vote and make sure that your selections are reflected on that screen.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)We have such a race here in Oregon for National Labor Relations Board. And we need to reelect the Democrat Brad Avakian to protect workers here in Oregon. It's one of the races the Republicans are targeting since it being a non-partisan race, there party affiliations aren't listed. Another reason for people to study the races carefully before voting.
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)but I'm voting absentee. I may vote for Dems, but some I just don't vote for & leave blank. Is THAT a problem too?
I mean if it's not bad enough that I live in FLOR-EEEE-DUH??
Romney is ahead here by 3 pts & even though the state is a toss-up state, it's hard for me to understand this. I know 4 Repukes who aren't voting for RobME!!
Of course we also have Rick Scott who is NOW polling at 47% approval. A couple of months ago is was barely 30%!! Guess I better get ready for CRAP again!
Catherine Vincent
(34,490 posts)That people have to be alerted. Why aren't our congress etc. telling everyone about this? And why haven't they corrected this flaw? I shoudn't have to read it on a forum on the internet.
Btw, I usually vote individually anyway because it's too quick when you vote the straight ticket. I like to see the individual's name and take my time in the voting booth.
GoneOffShore
(17,340 posts)FarCenter
(19,429 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Minnesota. I think they've always been a very bad idea.
deaniac21
(6,747 posts)onecent
(6,096 posts)LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)but we have paper printouts to review here.
TroglodyteScholar
(5,477 posts)efhmc
(14,731 posts)TroglodyteScholar
(5,477 posts)We've got widespread faith-based voting regardless of whether you vote a straight dem ticket.
Erose999
(5,624 posts)voting machines.
randome
(34,845 posts)If wide-spread fraud is expected, it's far easier to throw away Erose999's paper ballot. Who would know?
Erose999
(5,624 posts)can be manipulated or deleted without even producing a shard of material evidence.
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)And you have to vote individually for each candidate, but I am only going to vote for the Democrats, and there are not many of them here in red Georgia.