Pew: Independents, republicans increasingly support tougher economic policy toward China

[pampango]

More Want to Get Tougher on China

Since last year, the public’s priorities have shifted when it comes to economic and trade policy toward China. Currently, 49% say it is more important to get tougher with China on economic issues, while 42% say it is more important to build a stronger relationship with China on economic issues. In March 2011, more favored building stronger economic ties (53%) than getting tougher with China (40%).

Independents and Republicans now are much more supportive of getting tougher with China than they were a year and a half ago. Nearly half of independents (47%) now say it is more important to get tougher with China on economic issues, up from just 30% in March 2011. The percentage of Republicans favoring a tougher stance has increased by 11 points (from 54% to 65%) over this period.

There has been less change in opinions among Democrats, and more Democrats continue to prioritize building stronger economic relations with China (53%) over getting tough with China (39%).

This partisan divide is reflected in the vastly different views of Obama and Romney voters. By 51% to 42%, Obama voters favor building a stronger economic relationship with China. By contrast, Romney voters say it is more important to get tough with China on economic issues, by 67% to 26%.

http://www.people-press.org/2012/10/18/on-eve-of-foreign-debate-growing-pessimism-about-arab-spring-aftermath/

Seems that whiter, older, republican voters tend to want to get "tougher with China" while minority, younger, Democratic voters favor "stronger relations with China". In any case the trend from 2011 to 2012 is towards "tougher" rather than "stronger relations".

[Zalatix]

1. You desperately cling to a polling organization whose credibility lies in ruins.

The crazy results the Pew Poll often gets:
http://www.people-press.org/2012/10/15/voters-divided-over-who-will-win-second-debate/

Why do they get these crazy results?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/08/1141911/-Devastating-Cross-Tabs-Destroy-the-Pew-Poll

Again, why do they get these crazy results?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021496747

Like I said, you rely very heavily on Pew, and only Pew, because it's your only port in this growing storm of anti-globalism.

Plus, you seem to have a love affair with that undemocratic mercantilist nation, China. Once again you will find in this thread, as you've found in every other, that Democrats don't share your fanatical fealty to them.

American workers are people, too.

[pampango]

8. You caught me. I'm a "China-lover".

I prefer to believe that, rather than being a "China-lover" or a "Mexico-lover" or a "foreigner-lover", in general, I am in favor of an open society and world mindful of the diversity that this openness has to offer. I don't rely on any form of exclusion or fear of 'others' since, in my view, walls and the pitting of "us vs them" are much more right wing than liberal concepts.

About the only card conservatives have to play these days is the "be afraid of (fill in the blank)". They may want to target that fear at gays, women, minorities, immigrants or foreigners, but they promote fear above all. In particular populist on the right aspire to a closed model of society and world. They fear diversity (both within the US and in the world around us) and are afraid of global forces that complicate life for them. They want to go back to the day when life was simpler and 'better'. They "want our country back".

BTW, that AAM poll you have referenced several times in the past turns out to have been a push-poll limited to 6 focus groups in 3 cities - not a national poll at all.

The bipartisan survey of 1,200 likely general election voters was conducted between June 28 and July 2 by the Mellman Group and North Star Opinion Research, firms that poll for Democratic and Republican candidates respectively. The findings include results from six focus groups held in Columbus, OH, Orlando, FL, and Phoenix, AZ, as well as two dial tests in St. Louis, MO and Vienna, VA of manufacturing messages frequently presented to voters by the national media.

When presented with proposals to enact strong Buy American provisions for such public works, overwhelming majorities of Republican (87 percent), Democratic (91 percent), and Independent (87 percent) voters were in favor.

http://www.americanmanufacturing.org/content/new-national-poll-voters-see-manufacturing-irreplaceable-core-strong-economy-0

[Zalatix]

11. You're certainly not a lover of America's working class. Your diversity that you claim to love

explicitly excludes America's working class.

Your card that you consistently play is "fuck America's working class". How dare you accuse the Republicans of anything.

And... nice job defending your Pew poll's credibility.

[Zalatix]

2. Hey aren't you happy that Mitt Romney is closing that Sensata plant and sending the jobs to China?

Why aren't the workers there as happy as you are?

[Romulox]

6. That's just propaganda from our "whiter, older, republican" President.

Errrr????

[Zalatix]

13. It's the Pampango hour again. More inaccuracies, more contempt for American workers.

[november3rd]

3. Lending policy

Do they also support tougher lending policies BY China?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

4. When all else fails, erect a scary bogeyman and promise to deliver us from it.

Oh, and wave flags, lots of flags.

[pampango]

10. republicans are certainly good at that. Anyone who expects romney to be tougher on China than Obama

is severely out-of-touch with reality. romney is pandering to republicans and independents with his tough-on-China talk. This poll shows why he thinks that might work.

[Zalatix]

12. President Obama has gotten tougher on China. How Republican of him!!!

[Romulox]

5. Now it's *racist* to want to enforce trade law? What a ridiculous post, Pampango!

Seems that whiter, older, republican voters tend to want to get "tougher with China" while minority, younger, Democratic voters favor "stronger relations with China".

[Johonny]

9. If it isn't racism why pick on the Chinese

Why do they not support Obama's 2008 goals of universal trade agreements where we factor in differences in cost of living, environmental protections etc... why suddenly all the fear mongering and caber rattling over a single country and the "Chinese". Why because Romney is trying to attract racists and they don't just hate the black president, they dislike the Hispanics, the Chinese, The Indians, the Muslims...

As for outsourcing and globalization, it is a global problem. Get "tough" on China and have free trade with Indonesia and... the jobs still don't come back here. I have no interest in a cold war with China while we sign free trade agreements with South American countries. It is stupid warmongering and clearly slanted to stir up racist views about the Chinese. At the same time it will do nothing to actually get clear regulatory action towards actual a universal global trade policy.

[Zalatix]

14. Trade agreements never favor American workers.

Show me one country with which we don't have a trade deficit.

Why do you have such a huge problem with American workers wanting jobs instead of bleeding them out of the country?

[Johonny]

18. I don't

read my post, I clearly want them. So your argument is moot. I want fair not free trade.

[Romulox]

15. Because we have the biggest trade deficit with them, and they're our #1 creditor. That's why. nt

[pampango]

16. Didn't say that. And Obama has done a better job of enforcing trade laws than Bush or romney.

That is a good thing and not racist.

The statement you quoted is a simply a reflection of how the poll results skew by age, race and political party in terms of a preference for getting tough on China or building a strong relationship. It seems to me that the poll shows that non-whites, younger voters or Democrats are more inclined to support a strong relationship than are white, older or republican voters. Do you not agree with that interpretation of this poll's results? Or is your disagreement that Democrats should not feel that way because you don't?

Of course, that does not mean that all young voters or all white voters (or all of any category) prefer the same thing. Nor does it mean that everyone who has the same prefers a particular strategy for dealing with China is necessarily white (or minority) or young (or old) or Democratic (or republican).

[Zalatix]

17. So you're saying Obama has already done what you say Republicans and Independents want?

You said:

Independents and Republicans now are much more supportive of getting tougher with China than they were a year and a half ago.

This 'getting tougher with China', which you despise and which you have tried to identify as an issue antithetical to Democratic values, is something that Obama has done.

You're confused, Pampango. We're already getting tougher with China, and Obama is leading the charge.

[Romulox]

19. My guess is that you're not going to get a response. Pamps tends to flee when the going gets tough.

[Zalatix]

20. Another pro-free trade thread bites the dust.

[OldDem2012]

7. Whatever. Next. nt.