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katmondoo

(6,457 posts)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:36 PM Oct 2012

In answer to Lawrence O,Donnell

He votes third party because he lived in states that he says Democratic candidates never visit. I believe one was N.Y.
I lived in N.Y. and saw Eisenhower, Nixon, Kennedy and Reagan. Even shook hands with JFK. Saw Clinton in Florida and Michell Obama in Gainesville FL I am still very disappointed in Lawrence

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In answer to Lawrence O,Donnell (Original Post) katmondoo Oct 2012 OP
Me too! I sent an e-mail to msnbc.com hrmjustin Oct 2012 #1
Me too. First time I've ever sent an email to a host apples and oranges Oct 2012 #2
I hope a lot of people send messages to him. And it was my first one too. hrmjustin Oct 2012 #4
+1 good flamingdem Oct 2012 #5
What did you say in your email? (nt) Luminous Animal Oct 2012 #24
We should all give him a piece of our mind. LisaL Oct 2012 #3
You misssed Lawrence's point, elleng Oct 2012 #7
I got his point and he's wrong! RichGirl Oct 2012 #9
How does the popular vote matter? elleng Oct 2012 #13
Don't forget the double standard. The teapublicans apples and oranges Oct 2012 #16
WTF is an un-contested state? LisaL Oct 2012 #19
California and New York elleng Oct 2012 #21
CA elected Arnold as a governor. LisaL Oct 2012 #34
Wasn't he suggesting voting 3d party in uncontested states elleng Oct 2012 #6
The problem is that there are ProSense Oct 2012 #8
If we're smart enough to vote 3d party to give visibility to issues they discuss, elleng Oct 2012 #11
We're talking about a large ProSense Oct 2012 #15
It's not the time, we cannot afford to indulge in that because flamingdem Oct 2012 #10
I really thought that after 2000.... RichGirl Oct 2012 #14
Fear, fear, fear! Don't think just do! Luminous Animal Oct 2012 #26
I don't think it's fear that would prompt my decision to vote for a Democrat instead of 3rd party! flamingdem Oct 2012 #30
Occupy is still carrying on all over this united states.. from supporting unions... Luminous Animal Oct 2012 #33
Agree, not anytime soon flamingdem Oct 2012 #35
How about you tell ME about the guy who had congressmen get arrested. Luminous Animal Oct 2012 #42
If they had discussed everything everyone wanted them to discuss... RichGirl Oct 2012 #12
Really. Please tell me what you have learned from these debates.. Luminous Animal Oct 2012 #28
Speaking of global warming, Blue_In_AK Oct 2012 #31
Not yet. But I intend to. I am pissed off that it wasn't addressed in the debates. Luminous Animal Oct 2012 #32
After you've had a chance to watch it, Blue_In_AK Oct 2012 #36
Wow! Thank you for that! When I was visiting my family in Delaware and Maryland.. Luminous Animal Oct 2012 #38
They really should start talking about it. Blue_In_AK Oct 2012 #41
Some so-called un-contested states are within 10% margin. LisaL Oct 2012 #17
NOW is not the fucking time for this rbrnmw Oct 2012 #20
Thanks for all those who are contacting Lawrence on this.. I think Cha Oct 2012 #18
I'm in IL teabaggersarestupid Oct 2012 #22
Third party debate teabaggersarestupid Oct 2012 #23
You do realize you are on Democratic Underground, do you? LisaL Oct 2012 #27
I'll email tomorrow DevonRex Oct 2012 #25
None of them ever come to Alaska. Blue_In_AK Oct 2012 #29
If it's NY, Obama has that locked up. So it should be fine. limpyhobbler Oct 2012 #37
Well he just blew his credibility with me bigtime. Waiting For Everyman Oct 2012 #39
Please do not send emails complaining about Lawrence O'Donnell. limpyhobbler Oct 2012 #40

apples and oranges

(1,451 posts)
2. Me too. First time I've ever sent an email to a host
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:39 PM
Oct 2012

But his comments were way too irresponsible to let slide. What was he thinking???????????????

elleng

(130,974 posts)
7. You misssed Lawrence's point,
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:48 PM
Oct 2012

to vote 3d party in UNCONTESTED states, which did not, and does not include Florida.

RichGirl

(4,119 posts)
9. I got his point and he's wrong!
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:53 PM
Oct 2012

The popular vote DOES MATTER! It is stupid and irresponsible to vote as a lark. If you prefer the 3rd party, then vote for them. But for God's sake...the one vote you have should be for the person you want to win.

We need to all tweet O'Donnell and let him know he's an idiot. I did...twice!

apples and oranges

(1,451 posts)
16. Don't forget the double standard. The teapublicans
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 12:05 AM
Oct 2012

would be relentless in pointing out that Obama didn't win the popular vote and is therefore not legitimate.

We need to make sure Obama has a mandate. It would help in governing, and it would show that a majority of Americans rejected the teaparty, republicans, and everything they stand for.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
19. WTF is an un-contested state?
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 12:10 AM
Oct 2012

PA? The difference there is less than 10 %. Michigan? The same-less than 10 %.

elleng

(130,974 posts)
6. Wasn't he suggesting voting 3d party in uncontested states
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:45 PM
Oct 2012

like NY and CA to provide visibility to 3d party candidates who, in their debate yesterday, DID discuss issues MANY Dems (including DUers) wanted discussed in the 2-party debates most of us saw?

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
8. The problem is that there are
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:51 PM
Oct 2012

a lot of down ballot races at stake. Also, I'm not sure why anyone would advocate peeling off the popular vote to possibly ensure Romney wins the popular vote.

elleng

(130,974 posts)
11. If we're smart enough to vote 3d party to give visibility to issues they discuss,
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:56 PM
Oct 2012

we're smart enough to vote Dem down-ballot, and popular vote means nothing vis a vis President.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
15. We're talking about a large
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 12:04 AM
Oct 2012

voting population, which includes voters who are still undecided. To suggest that the popular vote doesn't matter is dangerous. It could also have the effect of depressing the vote.

The message should be GOTV and vote Democratic.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
10. It's not the time, we cannot afford to indulge in that because
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:55 PM
Oct 2012

the other side use fascistic methods, it's not about pushing this or that issue!

Lawrence isn't thinking, the only reason it's acceptable is if the person wouldn't otherwise vote, at least then it might help down ballot.

RichGirl

(4,119 posts)
14. I really thought that after 2000....
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 12:03 AM
Oct 2012

People would have gotten over the ego trip of using their vote to make a statement. (The statement in 2000 turned out to be that "Our irresponsible voting cost us the election...woohoo!" Even Michael Moore who pushed it has owned up to that mistake.

Your vote has one purpose and that is to insure that the candidate of your choice wins the election.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
30. I don't think it's fear that would prompt my decision to vote for a Democrat instead of 3rd party!
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 02:47 AM
Oct 2012

If you're writing to me that is.. I don't see any third party candidate with the chops in the least for one and I think Obama is an excellent candidate. Occupy had its moment, we not moving to the left anytime soon.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
33. Occupy is still carrying on all over this united states.. from supporting unions...
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 03:15 AM
Oct 2012

to protesting student debt, to blockading foreclosures, to shutting down the surveillance state. Occupy has only begun. All movements have taken decades to move a few feet towards their goal.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
35. Agree, not anytime soon
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 03:36 AM
Oct 2012

Obama will do something about student loans and foreclosures. If they want to do something out of the mainstream how about climate change. Support the groups that are working against the pipeline. Remember the guy who did that and had congressmen getting arrested? Now that's leadership talent.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
42. How about you tell ME about the guy who had congressmen get arrested.
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 05:20 AM
Oct 2012

I don't recall any congressmen getting arrested over the pipeline.

RichGirl

(4,119 posts)
12. If they had discussed everything everyone wanted them to discuss...
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:58 PM
Oct 2012

The debates would have lasted five hours! With access to so much information these days....we basically know everything about them and what they think anyway. A debate simply shows us how they interact, etc. Did anyone really want to see Obama and Romney argue over global warming? Romney would been pro or con, who the hell knows, and Obama would have had to call him out. Nothing new learned.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
28. Really. Please tell me what you have learned from these debates..
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 02:39 AM
Oct 2012

And yes, I would have liked to see a substantive different approach to climate change. I would have liked substantive different approach to poverty. I would have like too see a substantive different approach to the surveillance state.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
32. Not yet. But I intend to. I am pissed off that it wasn't addressed in the debates.
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 03:01 AM
Oct 2012

Do the elite think that they are immune from the effects?

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
36. After you've had a chance to watch it,
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 04:14 AM
Oct 2012

I think you'll understand what has happened to the discussion about global warming, and it will PISS YOU OFF.

I think you might be interested in this report from our local news tonight (first in a continuing series) about Alaska's climate refugees. Western Alaska's Native villages are definitely the canaries in the coal mine. This is the story of just one of them. It's really worth reading Rhonda McBride's blog post and watching the video. Very eye-opening.

Newtok: Village on the Edge, Part One: Losing Ground

http://www.ktuu.com/news/reporters-notebook-a-preview-of-newtok-village-on-the-edge-102412,0,2150985.story

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
38. Wow! Thank you for that! When I was visiting my family in Delaware and Maryland..
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 04:38 AM
Oct 2012

(much of those states are slightly above, below, or at sea level) all the first page and headline news was concerned about rising water levels due to climate change. Few talk about these canaries in a coal mine.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
41. They really should start talking about it.
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 05:07 AM
Oct 2012

Real people's lives are being affected in life-changing ways.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
17. Some so-called un-contested states are within 10% margin.
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 12:06 AM
Oct 2012

You lose 10 % of voters, you lose the states. And then you sit there with president Romney.
It's an outrageous thing to suggest.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
18. Thanks for all those who are contacting Lawrence on this.. I think
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 12:08 AM
Oct 2012

Pres Obama needs every Vote who wants to vote for him!

L O'D is great on so much but I don't agree with him on this.

 
22. I'm in IL
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 12:16 AM
Oct 2012

and voted third party. Why the hell not? If I were in a battleground, I would vote Obama to prevent Romney from turning the U.S. into a third world country but any one of the third party candidates is better than Obama as they are not funded by corporate interests. I didn't realize this issue was that complicated and I'm surprised you guys are giving Lawrence such a hard time.

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
25. I'll email tomorrow
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 02:31 AM
Oct 2012

when I'm a bit more lucid. He pissed me off. Normally I like him. But no state is safe this year.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
29. None of them ever come to Alaska.
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 02:47 AM
Oct 2012

The VP candidates don't show up. They don't run any ads at all. The only presidential candidate that's come up here in my memory was Ron Paul.

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
37. If it's NY, Obama has that locked up. So it should be fine.
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 04:22 AM
Oct 2012

Lawrence can vote third party without fear of helping Romney.

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
40. Please do not send emails complaining about Lawrence O'Donnell.
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 05:02 AM
Oct 2012

Do you have to complain just because an opinion show host on TV doesn't agree with you 110% ?

Actually he does agree with you 110%, he just had a slightly different thought on tactics.

This is one of the best shows on TV.

He is a real human TV host, not a robot. Do you want a robot that just sits and repeats Party-approved talking points?

Please be adult enough to allow for a slight difference of tactics by a show host without having to file a complaint with the business office.
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Note: I did not see the show, so I'm just going by what it says in the original post up top.

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