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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIn answer to Lawrence O,Donnell
He votes third party because he lived in states that he says Democratic candidates never visit. I believe one was N.Y.
I lived in N.Y. and saw Eisenhower, Nixon, Kennedy and Reagan. Even shook hands with JFK. Saw Clinton in Florida and Michell Obama in Gainesville FL I am still very disappointed in Lawrence
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)apples and oranges
(1,451 posts)But his comments were way too irresponsible to let slide. What was he thinking???????????????
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)flamingdem
(39,313 posts)Lawrence just lost my vote!
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)LisaL
(44,973 posts)Gore could have been president if not for Nader.
elleng
(130,974 posts)to vote 3d party in UNCONTESTED states, which did not, and does not include Florida.
RichGirl
(4,119 posts)The popular vote DOES MATTER! It is stupid and irresponsible to vote as a lark. If you prefer the 3rd party, then vote for them. But for God's sake...the one vote you have should be for the person you want to win.
We need to all tweet O'Donnell and let him know he's an idiot. I did...twice!
elleng
(130,974 posts)apples and oranges
(1,451 posts)would be relentless in pointing out that Obama didn't win the popular vote and is therefore not legitimate.
We need to make sure Obama has a mandate. It would help in governing, and it would show that a majority of Americans rejected the teaparty, republicans, and everything they stand for.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)PA? The difference there is less than 10 %. Michigan? The same-less than 10 %.
elleng
(130,974 posts)LisaL
(44,973 posts)You can't take anything for granted.
elleng
(130,974 posts)like NY and CA to provide visibility to 3d party candidates who, in their debate yesterday, DID discuss issues MANY Dems (including DUers) wanted discussed in the 2-party debates most of us saw?
ProSense
(116,464 posts)a lot of down ballot races at stake. Also, I'm not sure why anyone would advocate peeling off the popular vote to possibly ensure Romney wins the popular vote.
elleng
(130,974 posts)we're smart enough to vote Dem down-ballot, and popular vote means nothing vis a vis President.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)voting population, which includes voters who are still undecided. To suggest that the popular vote doesn't matter is dangerous. It could also have the effect of depressing the vote.
The message should be GOTV and vote Democratic.
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)the other side use fascistic methods, it's not about pushing this or that issue!
Lawrence isn't thinking, the only reason it's acceptable is if the person wouldn't otherwise vote, at least then it might help down ballot.
RichGirl
(4,119 posts)People would have gotten over the ego trip of using their vote to make a statement. (The statement in 2000 turned out to be that "Our irresponsible voting cost us the election...woohoo!" Even Michael Moore who pushed it has owned up to that mistake.
Your vote has one purpose and that is to insure that the candidate of your choice wins the election.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)flamingdem
(39,313 posts)If you're writing to me that is.. I don't see any third party candidate with the chops in the least for one and I think Obama is an excellent candidate. Occupy had its moment, we not moving to the left anytime soon.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)to protesting student debt, to blockading foreclosures, to shutting down the surveillance state. Occupy has only begun. All movements have taken decades to move a few feet towards their goal.
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)Obama will do something about student loans and foreclosures. If they want to do something out of the mainstream how about climate change. Support the groups that are working against the pipeline. Remember the guy who did that and had congressmen getting arrested? Now that's leadership talent.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)I don't recall any congressmen getting arrested over the pipeline.
RichGirl
(4,119 posts)The debates would have lasted five hours! With access to so much information these days....we basically know everything about them and what they think anyway. A debate simply shows us how they interact, etc. Did anyone really want to see Obama and Romney argue over global warming? Romney would been pro or con, who the hell knows, and Obama would have had to call him out. Nothing new learned.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)And yes, I would have liked to see a substantive different approach to climate change. I would have liked substantive different approach to poverty. I would have like too see a substantive different approach to the surveillance state.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)did you watch Frontline last night?
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Do the elite think that they are immune from the effects?
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)I think you'll understand what has happened to the discussion about global warming, and it will PISS YOU OFF.
I think you might be interested in this report from our local news tonight (first in a continuing series) about Alaska's climate refugees. Western Alaska's Native villages are definitely the canaries in the coal mine. This is the story of just one of them. It's really worth reading Rhonda McBride's blog post and watching the video. Very eye-opening.
Newtok: Village on the Edge, Part One: Losing Ground
http://www.ktuu.com/news/reporters-notebook-a-preview-of-newtok-village-on-the-edge-102412,0,2150985.story
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)(much of those states are slightly above, below, or at sea level) all the first page and headline news was concerned about rising water levels due to climate change. Few talk about these canaries in a coal mine.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Real people's lives are being affected in life-changing ways.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)You lose 10 % of voters, you lose the states. And then you sit there with president Romney.
It's an outrageous thing to suggest.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)Cha
(297,323 posts)Pres Obama needs every Vote who wants to vote for him!
L O'D is great on so much but I don't agree with him on this.
teabaggersarestupid
(111 posts)and voted third party. Why the hell not? If I were in a battleground, I would vote Obama to prevent Romney from turning the U.S. into a third world country but any one of the third party candidates is better than Obama as they are not funded by corporate interests. I didn't realize this issue was that complicated and I'm surprised you guys are giving Lawrence such a hard time.
teabaggersarestupid
(111 posts)LisaL
(44,973 posts)DevonRex
(22,541 posts)when I'm a bit more lucid. He pissed me off. Normally I like him. But no state is safe this year.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)The VP candidates don't show up. They don't run any ads at all. The only presidential candidate that's come up here in my memory was Ron Paul.
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)Lawrence can vote third party without fear of helping Romney.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)That is an incredibly stupid thing to do, and to say.
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)Do you have to complain just because an opinion show host on TV doesn't agree with you 110% ?
Actually he does agree with you 110%, he just had a slightly different thought on tactics.
This is one of the best shows on TV.
He is a real human TV host, not a robot. Do you want a robot that just sits and repeats Party-approved talking points?
Please be adult enough to allow for a slight difference of tactics by a show host without having to file a complaint with the business office.
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Note: I did not see the show, so I'm just going by what it says in the original post up top.