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applegrove

(118,696 posts)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:32 PM Oct 2012

Boeing Has Perfected A Missile That Wipes Out Electronics And Leaves Everything Else Intact

Boeing Has Perfected A Missile That Wipes Out Electronics And Leaves Everything Else Intact

by Robert Johnson at Business Insider

http://www.businessinsider.com/beoings-counter-electronics-high-power-microwave-advanced-missile-project-2012-10

"SNIP...............................................

While the U.S. geared up for the second presidential debate last Tuesday, a building sat pulsing with computers, electronic surveillance, and security systems in the Utah high desert.

The unoccupied site was awaiting the test of a weapon the Pentagon requested four years ago to the day on 16 October, 2008.

The Counter-Electronics High Power Microwave Advanced Missile Project (CHAMP), led by Boeing's Phantom works, promised to change the face of contemporary warfare, and its test was a complete success.

CHAMP flew over the Utah Test and Training Range last Tuesday, discharging a burst of High Power Microwaves onto the test site and brought down the compound's entire spectrum of electronic systems, apparently without producing any other damage at all. Even the camera recording the test was shut down.

...............................................SNIP"
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Boeing Has Perfected A Missile That Wipes Out Electronics And Leaves Everything Else Intact (Original Post) applegrove Oct 2012 OP
The genii has be let out of the bottle. nt Javaman Oct 2012 #1
A single warhead detonation at 60 miles will do the same thing to the entire Eastern Seaboard. leveymg Oct 2012 #2
Fatal to humans? shawn703 Oct 2012 #3
Maybe, over time siligut Oct 2012 #17
Is my pacemaker safe? Vox Moi Oct 2012 #4
You should get an official Dick Cheney EMP-hardened pacemaker. Boeing sells those, too. leveymg Oct 2012 #7
In place to take Iran's nuke system out, if need be? eom Frustratedlady Oct 2012 #5
As usual, we're fighting the last war with weapons that are already obsolete before they're even leveymg Oct 2012 #6
It's been theoretical for years. We knew it was doable. defacto7 Oct 2012 #8
And when, one day, it is aimed at our passenger aircraft, we will be shocked. SHOCKED. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #9
Oh man. I did not think of that. applegrove Oct 2012 #10
Why use a $billion Boeing EMP missile, when a $2000 SAM-7 looted from Libya will do just as well? leveymg Oct 2012 #11
Well, now you've got me thinking of TWA-800...... WinkyDink Oct 2012 #25
Nothing to see here, folks. Move along. Move along . . . leveymg Oct 2012 #26
Catastrophe in the sky Hutzpa Oct 2012 #23
I have a book that shows how to build an EMP generator. hobbit709 Oct 2012 #12
Imagine trying to fight the Chinese and they have these. Ganja Ninja Oct 2012 #13
Not exactly. The US military has been hardened against EMP effects since the 1970s.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #15
EMP effects have been known since the earliest nuke testing in 1945, although back then.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #14
I wonder if the creators of "Revolution" knew about this justiceischeap Oct 2012 #16
It's called Windows 8!! Ha-ha-ha! Couldn't resist! randome Oct 2012 #18
How much? SomethingFishy Oct 2012 #19
Quote from Dwight D. Eisenhower LongTomH Oct 2012 #22
That quote was used in Roger Waters' performances SomethingFishy Oct 2012 #24
Love the non-violent nature of this but there's a dark side. Hosnon Oct 2012 #20
Great! Hutzpa Oct 2012 #21

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
2. A single warhead detonation at 60 miles will do the same thing to the entire Eastern Seaboard.
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:40 PM
Oct 2012

The more technologically intensive the targeted society, the more vulnerable. We should worry most because everyone else will have these things a few years after we do.

siligut

(12,272 posts)
17. Maybe, over time
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 11:42 AM
Oct 2012

Microwaves are electromagnetic waves, like radio waves, only much shorter. Living things have electromagnetic fields, medicine uses EEGs (Electroencephalograms) to measure the electrical activity in the brain. EKGs (Electrocardiograms) measure the electrical activity in the heart.

So it is feasible that these waves could disrupt the functioning of the brain and heart, though realistically, they are having an effect on other organs as well, there just seems to be less research available, which makes sense. But, consider the known effects of radiation, again, electromagnetic waves, just really, really short.

Microwave research has also been done in the area of crowd control, aiming a pulse at people, causing, intense uncomfortable heat, as you might expect, but also to alter brain activity, causing fear or apathy.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
7. You should get an official Dick Cheney EMP-hardened pacemaker. Boeing sells those, too.
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:06 PM
Oct 2012

Retails for about $5 million. Guaranteed to outlive the wearer.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
6. As usual, we're fighting the last war with weapons that are already obsolete before they're even
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:47 PM
Oct 2012

deployed.

If we get into a war with Iran, their nuclear program -- whatever it might be -- should be the last thing we'll need to worry about.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
8. It's been theoretical for years. We knew it was doable.
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:11 PM
Oct 2012

There could very well be limitations as well; we knew that was possible too. Although it is another weapon of some type of mass destruction, the science is too simple to think it can't easily be replicated. If it is used, we just open another can of worms.

On the other hand, it is better than a neutron bomb that kills every living thing but leaves the buildings and infrastructure standing. This would probably be Romney's choice since it's more business like.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
11. Why use a $billion Boeing EMP missile, when a $2000 SAM-7 looted from Libya will do just as well?
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 07:17 AM
Oct 2012

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
12. I have a book that shows how to build an EMP generator.
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 07:28 AM
Oct 2012

with simple easy to build components and parts available at any electronics surplus store. Max range is about 100 feet but judging from the diagrams you could ramp up the voltage and current.

p.s. The book is available from Amazon for $9.95

Ganja Ninja

(15,953 posts)
13. Imagine trying to fight the Chinese and they have these.
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 07:34 AM
Oct 2012

This is a weapon that wipes out all of our advantages. All of our advanced weapons and even things like trucks and tanks would be rendered useless. The only things that would still work would be guns that don't require any sort of electric power.

On the up side though it makes conventional war almost unthinkable because it would be WWI all over again minus the planes.

OldDem2012

(3,526 posts)
15. Not exactly. The US military has been hardened against EMP effects since the 1970s....
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 07:46 AM
Oct 2012

...but US civilian infrastructures are woefully unprotected.

OldDem2012

(3,526 posts)
14. EMP effects have been known since the earliest nuke testing in 1945, although back then....
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 07:39 AM
Oct 2012

....they were not fully understood.

But, in 1962, scientists became alarmed when a US nuke was tested in space at about 250 miles above the mid-Pacific Ocean. The blast caused electrical damage in Hawaii, about 900 miles away, where it knocked out about 300 streetlights, set off numerous burglar alarms, and damaged a telephone company microwave link.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
16. I wonder if the creators of "Revolution" knew about this
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 07:51 AM
Oct 2012

and that's why they created the show.

This has been one of my worries since I started hearing about solar flares. I know most think of it as tinfoil hat territory but my concern isn't necessarily about the solar flare itself but what would happen to our nation if we lost our electrical grid. We'd be screwed.

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
19. How much?
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 11:50 AM
Oct 2012

How many schools could have been repaired? How many arts programs could have been re-instated? How many bridges could have been repaired? How many roads paved?

This nation has the most fucked up priorities I have ever seen.

I notice this comes from Business Insider... Destruction is our business and business is good...

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
22. Quote from Dwight D. Eisenhower
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 11:58 AM
Oct 2012
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. This is, I repeat, the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking. This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron. <...> Is there no other way the world may live?

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
24. That quote was used in Roger Waters' performances
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 12:13 PM
Oct 2012

of The Wall these past two years. It was powerful stuff. Before each show they would project the first sentence of that quote on buildings and sidewalks near the concert venues. Then during the song "Bring The Boys Back Home" He projected it full screen across The Wall.

I got to see it 4 times as the tour I was on crossed paths with his. It was an unforgettable experience...

Hosnon

(7,800 posts)
20. Love the non-violent nature of this but there's a dark side.
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 11:52 AM
Oct 2012

Imagine if they are turned inward. Democratic revolutions rely more and more on the internet.

And why try in vain to shut down the internet when you can just take down the entire grid?

Hutzpa

(11,461 posts)
21. Great!
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 11:58 AM
Oct 2012

now the billionaires have a new toy to fight over. If this falls into the wrong hands I can see them leaving yhoooge dent.

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