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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWould you end a friendship with someone who planned to vote third party?
I know people discuss ending friendships with republicans, but what do you think about ending friendships with people who aren't in touch with what's going on and think they are somehow pure/noble by voting third party?
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)And it IS the last thing I use to decide on ending one.
krawhitham
(4,644 posts)1st thing
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)I'm lucky in a way lots of people aren't. My social circle outside of work consists of people I've known since elementary school, jr high, and high school. It includes their husbands/wives/children. We camp together, travel together, barbeque together, and at ALL of our drunkfests, we talk about old times/good times/remember when so and so did this or that kind of stuff. Politics? Get that shit out of here... I loved you then, and I love you now. C'mere and gimme a hug. Who Wants A Shot!!??
At 51 years old, not many people can say that. I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world... ESPECIALLY a vote.
As far as the big picture goes, I can remember when people said Reagan's election would be the end of Roe v Wade. Then it was Bush I, then it was Bush II. Funny, out of all the time there has been a "conservative" Supreme Court, Roe v Wade still stands.
God forbid the worst case scenario happens; this, too, shall pass. Love your friends. Keep them close.
Subjective friendship isn't friendship at all. It sure isn't how I want to live MY life...
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)I'm more likely to end a friendship over them voting Republican than third party.
I have a struggling friendship right now. She thinks Obama is bad for her pocketbook, bad for her privacy, and bad for her gun rights.
I think the GOP will kill my disabled son when our money and insurance are gone and they've turned off Medicaid and SSI.
apples and oranges
(1,451 posts)and I hate Romney. So it's really hard not to let that spill over into my friendship.
I hope things work out with your friend but she seems to be worried about things that are not happening; on the other hand, the GOP has promised to repeal the ACA.
Camballo
(73 posts)Last edited Thu Oct 25, 2012, 12:24 AM - Edit history (1)
You live in a battleground state; then maybe. Ha! Just kidding, but no. Can't you just mention GW and snap them out if it?
brewens
(13,596 posts)talked him into it too. Then he tells me about his voting adventure. I would never admit to being this stupid. He gets his ballot and goes in the booth and sees Nader isn't on there. Then he turns to the volunteers at the polling place and loudly says, "hey! How come Nader isn't on here?"
Of course he wasn't on the ballot in Idaho as in many other states. In fact that was the main focus of his campaign. You could not possibly have paid any attention at all to Nader, seen him on tv or read any news stories about him that year, and not known that! What a feakin' tool! He is the kind of person I can go along with discouraging to vote. If you can't bother to become the least bit educated, sit it out.
apples and oranges
(1,451 posts)I agree.
immoderate
(20,885 posts)I have a small number of friends that vote Republican. We argue. But they have been kind to me personnally and I prize that friendship.
I have a couple of neighbors that are also Republican, Fox news and everything. We don't talk about politics. They don't handle it well. But they are nice people.
In short, treat me nice -- I treat you nice.
On edit: I have some friends who don't want to vote for Obama of Romney. I have expressed my differences -- but it's not worth a friendship.
--imm
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)I have many friends here who will be voting third party because Romney is almost guaranteed a win in Alaska. I don't agree with them, but I understand where they're coming from. They are all opposed to drones, NDAA, etc.
stklurker
(180 posts)Not over politics.. its is their given right to vote however they wish, hopefully they would engage in a rational discourse where you could make your case..
Selatius
(20,441 posts)If you're living in a swing state like Virginia or Ohio, I'd tell you point blank that you have no room to vote for a third party if the goal is to prevent George W. Bush version 2 from assuming office.
If, however, you're living in a safe state like Massachusetts or Hawaii or even Mississippi, you have plenty of wiggle room to vote for a third party.
The rules governing winner-take-all in the Electoral College essentially wastes the votes of minority groups in states that are dominated by Republicans or Democrats. Unless the state is split along razor-thin margins between Republicans and Democrats, voting for a third party won't affect where the state's electoral votes go, unless you're in Maine or Nebraska.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)They have reasons that I understand for voting third party even if I believe the act of voting Third Party is dangerous. What they would vote for would be things that I agree with, even though I recognize voting Third Party is a total exercise in futility.
Republicans are conservatives who want to legislate as much evil as they possibly can.
There are huge moral, ethical, ideological, and integrity chasms between Third Party progressives and republicans.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Cuz if it's a pit bull then I would end my friendship with you if we had one.
Is it something I should know about? The other two are clearly about the GOP...
Zorra
(27,670 posts)It's the very same dog that caused republicans to gain the most seats in the House of Representatives since 1938, in the last midterm elections.
As you can see, the dog is one very sick puppy ~ it is cyanotic. If you see it running in your neighborhood, do not be tempted to bring it home, and call animal control immediately. These dogs will definitely bite, and their bites can cause severe long lasting infections.
If you need a good dog, there are many healthy rescue dogs available for adoption in the large blue tent. You'll know the rescue dogs by their yellow color ~ the breed is actually known as yellowdog, and they are revered around the planet for their many admirable attributes, and foremost among these attributes are loyalty and intelligence.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)sadbear
(4,340 posts)as long as they don't try to get other likely Obama voters to change their minds.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)People have gotten too self rightous. The reason the republican party has become detached from reality is because they only associate with people who think like they do. If we do that then we will become just as detached from reality as they are. It's not even practical to expect a group of people to agree on every subject. It's just not possible. We are not programmed robots. We are human beings with brains and thoughts and opinions.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)as the current GOP. Seriously, those people are guided by superstition and bigotry. That is not what guides the progressive base. No way the same thing would happen. Plus, a progressive trait is live and let live and also to work together for the good of all, but the GOP wants everyone to live as they want them to and could give a crap about what is good for the community, they are short sighted and live in their little "moral" bubble and can't see the consequences of their actions.
virgogal
(10,178 posts)do anything for me,and I for her.
There really are lots of things to discuss besides politics.
She knows how I feel,I know how she feels.
It doesn't matter.
jorno67
(1,986 posts)and admittedly I would be very disappointed in any Dem who bolted...
dimbear
(6,271 posts)Come on Rs, vote your real feelings! Don't throw away your vote on a RINO.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)femmocrat
(28,394 posts)Kidding... but he won't make that mistake again!
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)We have agreed to never ever talk Politics or Religion. One of my friends is very right wing, and ultra conservative, but she has the good sense to know our friendship is more important and so we have made it taboo to talk about those things. So far its worked out well..
hack89
(39,171 posts)quinnox
(20,600 posts)Instead, I would be very understandable about their position and respect their decision. Hell, I have a long time friend who I know will be voting for Romney, and it changes nothing as far as our friendship is concerned.
Mikeystyle
(208 posts)people who voted for Ralph Nader really voted for George W. Bush.
blah, blah blah.... that's not how they see it----so what? That's the reality
Third-party candidates claim to be about some issue or another. Naturally, I find it amusing when the third-party candidate draws support away from a Republican but the point is third-party has no chance
"oh, but only if more people would consider a third-party candidate.... if more people...."
---- except they won't, so it's dope slap time!
if Romney wins Roe v Wade and a woman's right to choose will be overturned. The wealthier will get a break and the rest of us will get screwed----that's the bottom line.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)but I might encourage them to vote for Democrats or Obama, depending upon how I thought it would be received.
krawhitham
(4,644 posts)Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)than passing judgement on someone based upon who they vote for. Life is short, good friends are hard to find and I see a person's vote as their business. I'd never throw people away that cavalierly.
OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)become friends with a known non-dem but I have a number of friends who either started out dem and changed over the years or we became friends before either of us knew each others' political leanings or neither of us was assholey enough to thwart the friendship in its early stages so no, I wouldn't end a friendship just for that.
In fact I find it helpful to have friendly insights into the mind of the opposition.
I'm a liberal atheist with liberal christian friends and tea-party atheist friends and a lot of combinations in between.
Heck, I know people who won't vote at all.
fishwax
(29,149 posts)Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)If the third party's something truly crazy like the Constitution Party or one of the other actually-really-fascist parties, perhaps, but the sorts of people who vote for those aren't likely to become friends of mine in the first place.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)has their priorities screwed up.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)religion and politics. It sounds cliche but it is so true. I was destroying my relationship with my father by talking about religion. Our relationship is much better when we avoid that subject.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Including my mother who is on just about every crackpot teabagger mailing list out there.
Not much you can do if it's a relationship that you value.
I wouldn't date one though...that put an end to it right there.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)dooner
(1,217 posts)I understand where they (in my friends' cases - disappointed progressives) are coming from but they seem pretty out of touch with the reality of what it takes to be president of such a divided country.
Encouraging people to vote 3rd party, just to make a statement, even when their state is safely democratic, seems like a rather dumb and pretty dangerous idea to me.
cherish44
(2,566 posts)I don't think all Republicans are bad people. Most of the people I "click" with as friends that vote GOP are at least moderates...a few are conservatives but they're not loonbat "Obama is the devil" types... I couldn't be friends with someone who had truly radical right views and wouldn't shut up about them though
Iggo
(47,558 posts)Contrary1
(12,629 posts)In a word...No.
eridani
(51,907 posts)In Washington State, certainly not. There is plenty to worry about down-ticket, but not in the matter of re-electing Obama.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Back in 1980, I thought Anderson was more liberal than Carter, and I actually thought he had a chance. I do regret now not voting for Carter. However, even if all of the 10,000 or so Anderson voters in Arkansas had voted for Carter, he still wouldn't have come anywhere near to winning the state's 6 electoral votes.
In January of 1981, I made a friend from California. We had a lot in common. But one day I mentioned I had voted for Anderson, and I didn't think too much of Reagan. He went ballistic because he thought that Reagan was The Greatest, and he never talked to me after that.
dems_rightnow
(1,956 posts)If instead they had other qualities that made you consider them a friend, then no way.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts).. was never really a friend at all.
Ganja Ninja
(15,953 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)... and isn't willing to succumb to fear tactics?
Really?
Not in this lifetime.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)backscatter712
(26,355 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)A Liberal who lives in one of the many safe states and chooses to vote for a 3rd Party Candidate for President with a platform to The Left of Obama's can do so without fear or guilt.
Down Ticket is another matter,
and I would caution them to be very careful.
In Battle Ground States, I would STRONGLY advise them to vote for The Democrat.
In these states, their actions can affect us ALL,
but I wouldn't end a friendship over it.
cordelia
(2,174 posts)WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)Here in Massachusetts, a third-party vote is a safe and entirely moral decision, especially since Obama is going to win by seven zillion points here.
People's votes are their own decision and their own business.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)For me and mine, judging a person's character (all things being equal) on his political beliefs, his religion, his philosophies, his economic views or status, et al, is an absurd waste of my time.
I'd feel I'd done a great disservice to him, and an even greater disservice to myself if I ruled out a relationship solely on the basis of one of these wholly imaginary and divisive constructs which appear no where but our own imaginations. These constructs are, for many, many people, but a very small indicator of who we are are individuals.
I'd just as soon rule out a friendship because someone is a Muslim, a Pyrrhonian Skeptic, a Distributive Capitalist, or a Monarchist-- each one being but a part and parcel of the individual, rather than a label en toto.
hiphopnation
(3,100 posts)base, craven, warped thing I can think of. WTF? You don't WANT to be friends with a person who would do something so vile.
Lone_Star_Dem
(28,158 posts)I encourage their stance. They're wacky when it comes to politics, and are active in promoting their parties candidates. They say too many Tea Party people have sold out to the Republicans.
To be fair, they'd never vote for a Dem. So, I find their dissent to be a good thing.
My Dem friends are all pretty smart. They know what's at stake and won't waste a vote in a national election on a third party. However, we've all voted down ticket third party before when their wasn't a Dem running for the office. Which sadly happens here from time to time.
Since, I'm in Texas I don't think I'd kick one to the curb if they did vote third party in a national election. If I lived in a swing state we'd probably disagree so much over the issue, it would become an issue to our friendship.
tblue37
(65,408 posts)contradict my own.
Ironically, a third-party voter might think he or she is voting values that are the same as mine, but in our winner-take-all 2-party system, a third-party vote is equivalent to a vote for the bad guys, and if the person cannot comprehend that, then he or she falls into a diiferent category of people I am no longer willing to share my time with: the hopelessly shallow and thoughtless who refuse to take into consideration the consequences if their actions!
bvar22
(39,909 posts)As you stated, we have a "winner-take-all" system.
How is someone who votes their Liberal Conscience for President in a hopelessly RED state that even the Democratic Party has abandoned "equivalent to a vote for the bad guys" ?
I will agree that Down Ticket makes a difference,
but the President is selected by the Electoral Collage in a Winner-Take-All, State-by-State process.
So please explain it to me in easy, simple to understand words.
tblue37
(65,408 posts)Notice that the OP didn't specify red state. In fact, in a for sure red state I would willingly vote third party to give Greens enough votes to legitimize them for ballot access and other perks that go along with reachign a certain percentage threshold.