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warrior1

(12,325 posts)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:36 AM Oct 2012

Mitt Romney Allegedly LIED in Court To Screw Over Friend's Wife

http://www.tmz.com/2012/10/24/mitt-romney-tom-stemberg-staples-lied-perjury-divorce-case-maureen/


Mitt Romney LIED under oath when he testified in the divorce of his good friend and screwed the friend's wife out of a lot of money in the process ... so claims the ex-wife of Staples' founder Tom Stemberg.

Multiple sources connected with the divorce tell TMZ ... during Tom's uber nasty divorce case with ex-wife Maureen, Mitt Romney gave a deposition and testified during the trial that Staples was worth virtually nothing. Romney testified that the company was worth very little and Tom was a dreamer and "the dream continues."

Romney characterized the Staples stock as "overvalued," adding, "I didn't place a great deal of credibility in the forecast of the company's future."

Partly as a result of Romney's testimony, Maureen got relatively little in the divorce, but we're told just weeks after the divorce ended, Romney and Tom went to Goldman Sachs and cashed in THEIR stock for a fortune. Short story -- Romney allegedly lied to help his friend and screw the friend's wife over.

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Well, it does seem to be part of his make-up EC Oct 2012 #1
That's the beauty of this. RichGirl Oct 2012 #17
Look at the comments on this article. Plenty of people out there don't care about integrity 1monster Oct 2012 #81
It's a Mormon thing DollarBillHines Oct 2012 #40
screw Mitt Romney graham4anything Oct 2012 #2
Let's not get violent here RoccoR5955 Oct 2012 #45
even if I were an Obama hating Libertarian I would vote against Mitt based on Voice for Peace Oct 2012 #65
That would be classified as an 'October Surprise'. randome Oct 2012 #3
I can already imagine the Priorities USA ad... DHelix Oct 2012 #4
With a few references to 'truth' and 'honor' thrown in. randome Oct 2012 #5
that's very good though I wonder if Maureen is in the middle class? Voice for Peace Oct 2012 #69
But isn't it okay for Mormons to lie to non-Mormons? KansDem Oct 2012 #6
Considering Provo, Utah (home of BYU) is the nations #1 Pyramid/ponzi scheme capital, Sheepshank Oct 2012 #10
The key point bongbong Oct 2012 #27
Staples??? The outfit Rmoney boasts about as his dramatic job creating turn-around? IllinoisBirdWatcher Oct 2012 #7
Romney lie? Noooo! Hog lover Oct 2012 #11
What's sad is that this kind of "bros before hoes" loyalty will probably help him with certain types DHelix Oct 2012 #8
He's already got that demographic locked up. Kber Oct 2012 #12
A comment on your post about divorce Hog lover Oct 2012 #13
As an aside: Young women, pleast take heed. JDPriestly Oct 2012 #57
Amen. TheOther95Percent Oct 2012 #67
And then there are the older white guys who are for Obama SaveAmerica Oct 2012 #43
Independent femrap Oct 2012 #44
It's hard to imagine there would be women who hate liars who also haven't Voice for Peace Oct 2012 #70
Lots of women femrap Oct 2012 #82
yes, I saw that.. Mitt's war record, LOL Voice for Peace Oct 2012 #83
I've always been fascinated femrap Oct 2012 #88
In all fairness DonCoquixote Oct 2012 #92
wasn't overseas - went to Canada during the Vietnam War and stayed for about 10 years Voice for Peace Oct 2012 #93
Sometimes I'm femrap Oct 2012 #98
Politics is kind of fascinating, no doubt about it, but when it starts making me cranky or anxious Voice for Peace Oct 2012 #99
That's what I need.... femrap Oct 2012 #101
you need to pack up your mom and move her to a medical marijuana state Voice for Peace Oct 2012 #104
She's lived in her femrap Oct 2012 #105
wish I could help but I don't want to go to jail. Voice for Peace Oct 2012 #106
Me neither.... femrap Oct 2012 #107
At this point Aerows Oct 2012 #9
That's a great story idea for the Onion!! Whiskeytide Oct 2012 #33
great idea!!!! Tumbulu Oct 2012 #91
Hmm....this would be consistent with EVERYTHING we know about the guy. sadbear Oct 2012 #14
This is really weird. Because there was a day last week where I was Baitball Blogger Oct 2012 #15
This isn't a new story. Which makes me wonder what the "surprise" is supposed to be. onenote Oct 2012 #16
Then why is the testimony sealed? sadbear Oct 2012 #18
My guess is that its sealed because of more specific financial info onenote Oct 2012 #30
I think the ex-wife is going to file a perjury lawsuit against Romney, which is why Allred is involv cbdo2007 Oct 2012 #20
Not new. But not widely reported on. LisaL Oct 2012 #21
One thing doesn't make sense to me Oilwellian Oct 2012 #19
If he downplayed the value of the stock or said it didn't have good future earnings potential.... cbdo2007 Oct 2012 #25
Looks like she got 500,000 shares which she sold before Staples went public. It went public cbdo2007 Oct 2012 #34
Maybe the stock hadn't gone femrap Oct 2012 #47
Not if the stock was not yet publicly traded karynnj Oct 2012 #59
this was before the stock went public mercuryblues Oct 2012 #86
Hiding money seems o be a lifelong thing with Romney. nolabear Oct 2012 #22
My question is Drale Oct 2012 #23
Very often, in such divorces, the husband handles the money and hires a really top lawyer. JDPriestly Oct 2012 #58
saw this with some friends -- wife left abusive rich husband, Voice for Peace Oct 2012 #71
If Romney's lips are moving, he must be lying liberal N proud Oct 2012 #24
You're wrong bongbong Oct 2012 #32
I'm curious about the quality and content of his nightmares Voice for Peace Oct 2012 #72
Mitt Romney? Lying? backscatter712 Oct 2012 #26
I would be shocked if he told the truth for a change. n.t. RoccoR5955 Oct 2012 #46
Perjury = Prison = EOM (End Of Mittens) Turborama Oct 2012 #28
I wish -- but don't forget: Cherchez la Femme Oct 2012 #48
Staples isn't a bad store bongbong Oct 2012 #29
I KNOW! LeftyMom Oct 2012 #90
Maureen Sullivan Stemberg can easily be my Mom MissNostalgia Oct 2012 #31
Does your father have femrap Oct 2012 #51
I have tried, and havent stop MissNostalgia Oct 2012 #62
Talk to your mother about the Stemberg case. JDPriestly Oct 2012 #63
I wonder how they'll spin this story. warrior1 Oct 2012 #35
I don't think it's going to be that tough... hughee99 Oct 2012 #74
"I know how to make money." "I have what it takes to get this economy back on track"...Yes Harriety Oct 2012 #36
Romney's MO was nearly always: JDPriestly Oct 2012 #68
Romney's 'plan' managed bankruptcy of the auto industry... nenagh Oct 2012 #73
Romney lied? Gee, what a surprise CanonRay Oct 2012 #37
How so very much in character of him. nt valerief Oct 2012 #38
Two questions matt819 Oct 2012 #39
November 7? nt valerief Oct 2012 #42
They, like us, are probably just waiting to see what the actual story here is. cbdo2007 Oct 2012 #49
The story is also in the Boston Globe, which is owned by the NYTimes n/t sammytko Oct 2012 #53
Not surprising. Rmoney is a scheming liar. How can anyone vote for this charlatan?! /nt MatthewStLouis Oct 2012 #41
Yet another good reason why he should never be given the opportunity . . . Richard D Oct 2012 #50
As I figured... hughee99 Oct 2012 #52
Republican family values. JDPriestly Oct 2012 #54
All One Has To Do Megahurtz Oct 2012 #55
Was there children involved? I'm curious about that part... progressivebydesign Oct 2012 #56
This is from TMZ. There was a son involved. Lone_Star_Dem Oct 2012 #64
ahh.. TMZ Voice for Peace Oct 2012 #60
K&R! We need to be kicking this story, not Helmet-Head Trump's latest birfer nonsense! n/t backscatter712 Oct 2012 #61
Doesn't Rmoney always push the success of Staples as an example of his being able to create jobs? kimbutgar Oct 2012 #66
Is Maureen in any shape to go on "The View", "Politics Nation", and other TV and cable ProgressiveEconomist Oct 2012 #75
This sucks, but does anyone here really think it will affect Romney's campaign? Matariki Oct 2012 #76
Ho Hum!! Just another day in the lie/f of Rmoney!!! hue Oct 2012 #77
too late to make an ad about his pattern of lying to get what he's after SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2012 #78
I don't see this having any negative impact on R(money). October Oct 2012 #79
How is this news? Javaman Oct 2012 #80
At the time, Mass. courts were very pro-wife in divorce cases nichomachus Oct 2012 #84
I just don't see it. Some people that plan to vote for Romney will tell you face to face that bluestate10 Oct 2012 #85
it just adds to the whole thing about how he puts personal Profit above anything else JI7 Oct 2012 #87
Not enough to sway a voter I am afraid. revolution breeze Oct 2012 #89
unbelievable blondie58 Oct 2012 #94
unbelievable blondie58 Oct 2012 #95
and??? heaven05 Oct 2012 #96
World leaders would never trust our nation !!! 4 more years Oct 2012 #97
Typical MittTwit RobMe: LIE to screw people out of money then make off like a bandit. RBInMaine Oct 2012 #100
FAMILY VALUES - ROMNEY STYLE fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #102
I just hope she sues the Depends off'n him. Cherchez la Femme Oct 2012 #103

EC

(12,287 posts)
1. Well, it does seem to be part of his make-up
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:39 AM
Oct 2012

he lies so easily, I'm guessing it's a lifetime thing.

RichGirl

(4,119 posts)
17. That's the beauty of this.
Reply to EC (Reply #1)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:06 AM
Oct 2012

If he had been honest...or as honest as any politician, then these allegations wouldn't amount to anything. But in light of his history of lying....who is going to defend him?

1monster

(11,012 posts)
81. Look at the comments on this article. Plenty of people out there don't care about integrity
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:35 PM
Oct 2012

any more. And that is the real problem in this country.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
2. screw Mitt Romney
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:41 AM
Oct 2012

he screwed his best friends wife in court
he screwed the people of Boston
he screwed the 47% of the nation
MittMan and BoyGlove will screw everyone

reason enough not to vote for them

hey republicantealibertarians-vote for Gary Johnson he won't screw you and you can feel good while losing

and let's screw Mitt but good.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
45. Let's not get violent here
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:01 PM
Oct 2012

You know that screws can hurt someone.
I'm just saying this, because a post of mine got banned for something similar.
I will not ban you, or anyone within reason, but I will warn you that there are people who will consider this violence.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
65. even if I were an Obama hating Libertarian I would vote against Mitt based on
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:49 PM
Oct 2012

foreign policy inclinations & advisers.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
3. That would be classified as an 'October Surprise'.
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:42 AM
Oct 2012

Romney was already going to lose but this makes the GOP look bad, as well.

DHelix

(89 posts)
4. I can already imagine the Priorities USA ad...
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:43 AM
Oct 2012

Maureen: Romney only cares about his closest, richest friends.

Narrator: In sworn testimony, Mitt Romney said that Staples was worth virtually nothing so that his friend would pay less in divorce.

Maureen: I ended up getting sick and lost my house. I lost everything because of Mitt Romney.

Narrator: If Mitt Romney Wins the Middle Class Loses.

Priorities USA is responsible for this content.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
69. that's very good though I wonder if Maureen is in the middle class?
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:52 PM
Oct 2012

is she a sympathetic character? I know nothing about her.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
6. But isn't it okay for Mormons to lie to non-Mormons?
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:44 AM
Oct 2012


I do have a question. If I'm a Mormon and sitting in court and hear another Mormon lie, then is it okay because I know he's lying and he knows I know he's lying, so that makes it all right?

To tell the truth, this campaign has been quite confusing with Mormonism in general and "Lying for the Lord," and "Legitimate Rape," and "Cutting taxes creates jobs and reduces the deficit," and "Social Security is an entitlement," and "As a Corporatist, I shipped American jobs overseas but as President I'll bring them back," and so on...
 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
10. Considering Provo, Utah (home of BYU) is the nations #1 Pyramid/ponzi scheme capital,
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:50 AM
Oct 2012

I'd say it's closer to the truth that Mormons don't care who they screw over. They will lie to anyone at anytime to make a buck.

 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
27. The key point
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:23 AM
Oct 2012

> They will lie to anyone at anytime to make a buck.

A cult started as a money-making/law-breaking operation doesn't change its stripes.

IllinoisBirdWatcher

(2,315 posts)
7. Staples??? The outfit Rmoney boasts about as his dramatic job creating turn-around?
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:47 AM
Oct 2012

This cannot be the same Staples!


"I didn't place a great deal of credibility in the forecast of the company's future."


That would mean Rmoney wasn't telling the truth.

DHelix

(89 posts)
8. What's sad is that this kind of "bros before hoes" loyalty will probably help him with certain types
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:48 AM
Oct 2012

Let's face it. Romney's only in this because he's convinced older white males he's their guy. That's his only large demo advantage over Obama. Since 50% of those types probably lost money to women in divorces (50% divorce rate) at some point in time this story seems more likely to showcase his loyalty to his friend than anything else. Single women aren't voting for Romney anyway so I'm not sure who this news really helps Obama much unfortunately.

Kber

(5,043 posts)
12. He's already got that demographic locked up.
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:53 AM
Oct 2012

He's going after the women vote and this will not help him (if true, of course).

Hog lover

(426 posts)
13. A comment on your post about divorce
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:58 AM
Oct 2012

Yes, men who always think the wives get some of "their" stuff and money in a divorce could think it's great that Romney helped a friend screw over the wife in a divorce. However, women do usually end up worse off financially after a divorce (especially in "traditional" marriages where the wife either stays home or makes much less money than the husband), and I think every woman knows a friend who has suffered financially as a result of a divorce. Therefore, any attaboy votes by jerk men will be offset by women's votes lost by Romney.

On edit: I think in most states, the property acquired during a marriage is considered to be joint marital property that is owned equally by both parties, no matter who was the main breadwinner.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
57. As an aside: Young women, pleast take heed.
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:36 PM
Oct 2012

women do usually end up worse off financially after a divorce (especially in "traditional" marriages where the wife either stays home or makes much less money than the husband), and I think every woman knows a friend who has suffered financially as a result of a divorce.

That is very, very, very true.

A woman who stays at home and does not work is taking a big risk because once you are over 40 or 50, it is very hard to re-enter the workforce.

That differential between the pay of men and the pay of women is due to a great extent to the low wages of women who stayed at home with their children and then tried to re-enter the workforce.

Get a part-time job at the very least. Every woman needs to think about building her work history. That is your insurance policy for the future.

TheOther95Percent

(1,035 posts)
67. Amen.
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:51 PM
Oct 2012

I belong to a divorce support group for women in their 50s. It's very hard to re-enter the workforce and make a decent living after being a homemaker for 20 years. It took one of my friends three years to find a job that paid the bills. Her ex-husband has been a real dick and not complied with several court orders to make payments so she's had to rely on friends and family for necessities. It's a very sad state of affairs but not an uncommon one.

SaveAmerica

(5,342 posts)
43. And then there are the older white guys who are for Obama
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:55 AM
Oct 2012

He doesn't have all of them so it's a good thing to remember if 49% of voters are male, not all of the white ones are voting for Romney.

 

femrap

(13,418 posts)
44. Independent
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:00 PM
Oct 2012

women who haven't made up their mind yet.

Independents who hate Liars.

Married women may just cancel the husband's vote after this!!! Husband says to vote for Mi$$; wife enters voting booth....he'll never know who I voted for. Fook that asshat, RobMe.

Believe it or not, there are men out in the Heartland who would be disgusted by this.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
70. It's hard to imagine there would be women who hate liars who also haven't
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:56 PM
Oct 2012

made up their minds yet.

But this being a screw-the-wife-of-the-rich-guy story, it might
turn some heads. Lots of wives of rich guys have gotten
majorly screwed... there's probably a ton of them.

 

femrap

(13,418 posts)
82. Lots of women
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:50 PM
Oct 2012

don't follow politics like us junkies on DU....but lying about such a personal matter that would inflict pain on a woman and child is an entirely different matter.

I've read that many people don't make up their minds as to who they will vote for until the day of the election. That's so hard for me to understand, but again, not everyone is a political junkie and cares about Democracy to the extent we do.

Did you see the post about Mi$$ has served, not in the military but....in the War Against Women!

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
83. yes, I saw that.. Mitt's war record, LOL
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 04:03 PM
Oct 2012

Prior to the election of 2000 I wasn't paying much
attention to politics. I was living out of the country
for many years and engrossed in other pursuits,
so I wasn't even voting.

It is hard to imagine but some people don't decide
until they are in the booth and Jesus tells them what
to do.

 

femrap

(13,418 posts)
88. I've always been fascinated
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 06:20 PM
Oct 2012

with politics. I remember in 2nd grade, Judy (my best friend) and I would have fights over who was going to be Prez. Her family was repugnant.

I probably just liked the way JFK carried himself and I liked Jackie and the 2 kids. Nixon looked like the devil....and so did his wife. I wanted to stay up and wait until they declared a 'winner' on Election Eve, but it got so late I fell asleep. I remember running down the hall the next morning yelling, 'Did he win? Did he win?' That was probably the only time in my life that I was so very excited over a presidential win. I had always wanted my own 'FDR.' But that's just not going to happen.

I even got a degree in politics as a 2nd major. Watergate was so much fun to me...I was in college at the time. Bringing Nixon down was a huge triumph at the time. I thought we had conquered the enemy and everyone had learned their lessons. Now he appears to be a Teddy Bear compared to some of the vile slime we have encountered.

1980 started the decline. Raygun and Papa Bush (Thankfully I was living in San Fran which kept me safe in that little Progressive Bubble out there). Then Clinton, who I call the best Republican President EVER....well, no maybe Teddy Roosevelt. Hell, bring back Ike's tax rates of 90% on the Rich.

W nearly killed me. The 2nd term, I gained 30 lbs....that's my addiction...Food. Good thing I don't like heroin. LOL. I had worked so hard on the Kerry campaign. I was crushed. I just couldn't believe it. And it was my home state of OH that was stolen. I even drove to DC to stop the Electoral Votes of OH from being accepted. Then in '06, I worked to get the House and Senate so we could IMPEACH this war monger...but Pelosi and her damn table betrayed me. So I wasn't much in the mood for Obama. I really liked HRC. I don't get my FDR nor my first woman Prez....Who knew that my life peaked at such a young age...after I saw The Beatles for the 2nd time.

Obama didn't excite me at all...he just seemed naive. And I didn't buy into that 'Yes, We Can.' I'm too old for that. But it was a great marketing effort. And there were many times in the past 4 years that I wanted to slap him.

I still don't like him that much. It's a Campaign of Hate, imho. My dislike of RobMe is much stronger than my respect for Obama. And it's the same on the other side. Those RWers don't want a Mormon in the WH, but they hate Obama...lots of racists out there.

To be honest, I've come to the conclusion that there isn't much difference between the parties. And this campaigning is BIG CIRCUS TIME when people get all aroused w/ 'the race.' These presidents do as they are told, IMHO. TPTB call the shots on the banks, the MSM, industrial migration, everything.

I'm such a cynic...the only way out I see is for Mother Nature to hit The Reset Button....and wipe out a big chunk of the world. She's done it before and she'll do it again. Every 26,000 years, she turns on her axis. Maybe she'll shrug her shoulders and all the greedy sons of shorts dicks will go flying into thin air or drown under a massive tsunami.

Now, you must think I'm crazy. What's that song? "I'm not crazy. I just know too much." Great tune.

Where did you live overseas? I traveled to Europe twice in my college years.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
92. In all fairness
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:57 PM
Oct 2012

For all of her fighting, Hillary would have had the same congress, backed by several billion dollars of slush..she might have even oput sotomayor and kagan in, or others, but the real tenor willnot change until Scalaia's cabal dies.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
93. wasn't overseas - went to Canada during the Vietnam War and stayed for about 10 years
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:41 PM
Oct 2012

I do like Obama, seriously.

I never really expected much from him, but generally
don't expect much from politicians and often wonder
why they get paid.

But I'm rather mythically inclined, and see grand things
playing out in these times. For me it is about the wind and
the sun versus the oil gas and coal. The dark powers versus
the light and life-giving powers.

Many liars and hypocrites who deal in cheat and deceit
become extremely religious. This is because they've
sold their souls to the great god Fear. Greed, Deceit,
these are minions of Fear. Extreme religion is a means
of coping with the dark terrors which inevitably come to
such people.

But on the other hand there is something in the heart
of humanity pushing to be born. It is an urge for life,
for beauty, goodness. It is hope itself, and it's powerful.

The dark things have had their time, and wreaked havoc.
They are going down. I am up with hope and change.
Hope is what keeps me going in life. It is innate in my
heart. Change will happen no matter what.

I do not want people in power who will continue to poison
the planet, or start more wars.

I see integrity and honesty in Obama, I see a man who
strives to walk his talk, who does not trade in cheat and
deceit.

I believe he is a man who lives a self-examined life, as
Socrates urged. I see him focused on doing the
best he possibly can for the country and for all of us.
This is my point of view, how I see him. To me
Obama is a good sign of evolution & shifting times.

I agree with most everything else you said, don't think you
sound crazy at all.

 

femrap

(13,418 posts)
98. Sometimes I'm
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 01:02 PM
Oct 2012

afraid to hope. But I do hope there is something to this Mayan Calendar and the paradigm shifts from competition to cooperation.

My life is grounded by Mother Nature. Just to walk outside and admire the trees or see a squirrel collecting food for the winter puts a smile on my face. What the Oil and Coal boyz have done to her makes me ill. She will have the final say.

I guess I don't have much faith in most people...especially politicians. Yet, I'm a political junkie. I have to know what they're doing so I can be prepared...for what, I'm not really sure. I just have this need to know and then analyze.

Your words have given me some hope. I hope you're right about those who've created havoc...they're going down!!!

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
99. Politics is kind of fascinating, no doubt about it, but when it starts making me cranky or anxious
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 03:41 PM
Oct 2012

I drop it and do something else. Like visit the chickens out back.

 

femrap

(13,418 posts)
101. That's what I need....
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 08:28 PM
Oct 2012

a chicken and a goat in the back yard as opposed to my apartment neighbor who is a recovering alcoholic and ex-con, Ed. He's not so bad, but he never asks me a question. I'm just a pair of ears who is to nod and smile when all I want to do is scream.

I'm in redneck Ohio for only one reason...to take care of my 85 year-old mother.

It's a long, boring story that probably many boomer adults endure. Tortuous nursing homes, uncaring nurses, idiot doctors, and to top it off Fundamental Christian Republican relatives who have not once brought my mother a meal. And her precious church that she donates to...not even a store-bought pumpkin pie. If I'm not dealing with a hypocrite, it's an idiot.

At least the Police Captain seems to be a decent guy....he listens to how my next-door neighbor threatens to beat the living hell out of me. He wants to rid the world of me, so he says. Go ahead and try.

I never imagined that it would be like this...and no mary jane to take the edge off.






 

femrap

(13,418 posts)
105. She's lived in her
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 12:03 AM
Oct 2012

little house surrounded by her siblings since 1962. She'll NEVER leave. She won't smoke pot. I tried years ago. She's a Fundy Christian...but not that bad, only because she has me as her daughter who keeps her informed of THE TRUTH. She votes Dem.

Her memory is going. She probably has some form of dementia. She is recovering from a fractured pelvis (nothing can be done about that), stenosis (degenerative....no cure), and a fractured tail bone. She isn't very mobile but has improved from walker to cane. One more fall and she'll be done.

Otherwise, she is healthy. (I think). This is the first time she has ever been sick. I'm the one with the silly health problems and operations....typical ones...appendix, tonsils (but as an adult...OMG what pain), knee surgery (arthritis since a teen, but I take Glucosamine & I am fine), oh, and gallbladder removed. Oh...I was at the end of the line when Patience was handed out.

I'm filled w/ guilt about being so unhappy, but I'm not the 'homemaker/mother' type and my mom knows that and cuts me a lot of slack. I'm her only child out of 3 marriages and 3 divorces...I went through all of them. If she just weren't so damn Bible-bound. Those church people drive me insane and I tell her that....but again, her mind is like Swiss cheese....which we talk about as well.

It has always been her and me against the world...and I f*cking hate the rest of her family. My father is dead and he was an only child as well....so few relatives on that side left. And I'm just like my father...as far as attitude, humor, opinions...and I'm sure that bugs everyone on my mom's side of the family.

Too bad abortion wasn't safe and legal back in the '50's...honestly. Another boring, long story.

I should just make a run to Michigan...or ask the Police Captain where I could get some. I really think he'd understand...he told me to drink wine to get to sleep.

Whiskeytide

(4,463 posts)
33. That's a great story idea for the Onion!!
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:30 AM
Oct 2012

The crowd at the rally was stunned to hear Romney utter something that was true. "I thought I knew him" said one supporter. ...

sadbear

(4,340 posts)
14. Hmm....this would be consistent with EVERYTHING we know about the guy.
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:01 AM
Oct 2012

I'd be surprised to find out he DIDN'T lie.

Baitball Blogger

(46,758 posts)
15. This is really weird. Because there was a day last week where I was
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:04 AM
Oct 2012

posting to the local paper, writing pro-Obama comments, and I got mail bombed by Staples! I had about a dozen Staples emails back to back!

onenote

(42,767 posts)
16. This isn't a new story. Which makes me wonder what the "surprise" is supposed to be.
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:05 AM
Oct 2012

This was all reported, with citations to Romney's testimony, four years ago. If this is all there is, its a nothingburger.

onenote

(42,767 posts)
30. My guess is that its sealed because of more specific financial info
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:26 AM
Oct 2012

The citations in the 2008 article are pretty general; my guess is that there is a redacted "public" version of the transcript and a confidential sealed one that contains more specific, proprietary business facts and figures. Since that information is now over 20 years old, there is no reason to keep it sealed, but I'm still not sure how the specific numbers are going to turn this into a big story. But we will see.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
20. I think the ex-wife is going to file a perjury lawsuit against Romney, which is why Allred is involv
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:10 AM
Oct 2012

ed.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
19. One thing doesn't make sense to me
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:08 AM
Oct 2012

At the time Romney testified about the value of Staples stock, wouldn't that be public information? Was it low at the time of his testimony, and then just weeks after, it miraculously shot up in value and he and his buddy cashed in? That may be the real story here (other than the obvious diss to women) but what was done to jack the value of the stock within weeks of his deposition.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
25. If he downplayed the value of the stock or said it didn't have good future earnings potential....
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:17 AM
Oct 2012

that could be insider trading I guess. I don't know the specifics but the stock did go up quite a bit in the 2 years after the approximate court date (2005 I think??)

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
34. Looks like she got 500,000 shares which she sold before Staples went public. It went public
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:33 AM
Oct 2012

in 1989 at approx .88 cents. It eventually rose to $22 per share 10 years later but it was a pretty slow growth in stock $ terms.

Hmmmm, at the time I could realistically see Romney or any board member expressing hesitations about the future growth of the company and those worries being legitimate, so I hope there's more to it than that.

 

femrap

(13,418 posts)
47. Maybe the stock hadn't gone
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:03 PM
Oct 2012

public yet. Just privately held stock?

The slimeball who started Staples....he must still have shares. If so, I think I'll just drop into Staples today and break something expensive....OOPS! I'm sorry. I'm so clumsy.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
59. Not if the stock was not yet publicly traded
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:47 PM
Oct 2012

Many companies issue stock as they are starting up to the people working there or people funding it - ie Bain Capital.

What does not add up is that she surely knew she was cheated as soon as the stock went public - and the article implies it was months later. Why didn't she reopen the proceedings then? The timing will not look good. Something does not add up. I hope Democrats stay far away from this. If it has life on its own - and if true, Romney is a creep, but we already know this.

Drale

(7,932 posts)
23. My question is
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:15 AM
Oct 2012

why did they listen to his testimony without the her lawyers fact checking him? "Romney characterized the Staples stock as "overvalued," adding, "I didn't place a great deal of credibility in the forecast of the company's future." When did Mittens become the person who decides a company's forecast?

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
58. Very often, in such divorces, the husband handles the money and hires a really top lawyer.
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:43 PM
Oct 2012

The wife has to settle for someone with a good heart. Sometimes the wife is lucky. Sometimes she has money. But if she doesn't, she can be at a big disadvantage. She rarely can afford to hire a firm with the teams of paralegals and secretaries, etc. on her side that the husband has.

In addition, a lot of women really just want to stay married and don't really want the divorce. They don't have the clarity of thought to fight for what they will need. They fall back into unrealistic ideas about being good girls. It's a very sad social reality. Women usually get the bad end of a divorce in my opinion.

That is not always true, but often enough the wife has to hire someone who is willing to risk not getting paid much. Some women just give up. It's really sad.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
71. saw this with some friends -- wife left abusive rich husband,
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:00 PM
Oct 2012

he hired rich lawyer, took the kids away, she used a public defender with a good heart.

Luckily the judge liked the public defender more than the rich lawyer.
Both lawyers were women. One was just nasty.

 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
32. You're wrong
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:28 AM
Oct 2012

> If Romney's lips are moving, he must be lying

That statement doesn't include sleep.

I'm sure Flip-Flopper's dreams are filled with lies. Change it to "if willard is breathing, he's lying".

Cherchez la Femme

(2,488 posts)
48. I wish -- but don't forget:
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:05 PM
Oct 2012

IOKIYR

I swear, Repug politicians must be GM with Teflon in order to run for any office.

 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
29. Staples isn't a bad store
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:26 AM
Oct 2012

I wait for their loss-leaders like the 1 cent items at back-to-school time, or the free-after-rebate items.

I turn in ink cartridges for $3 apiece.

Not a bad store if you stay away from - pretty much everything except those types of deals. (ESPECIALLY the inkjet refills which is the only profit center they have)

MissNostalgia

(159 posts)
31. Maureen Sullivan Stemberg can easily be my Mom
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:27 AM
Oct 2012

Maureen Sullivan Stemberg is a strong woman, she has obviously endured so much, and to think the right wing crazies are going to go after her now, I cant help but fear for her. I hope she gets justice. I have been really shaken by this because my Mom is in a horrible marriage and I know if she tries to get out she may possibly end up like Maureen, a victim in a divorce battle. Im in tears over this.

 

femrap

(13,418 posts)
51. Does your father have
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:12 PM
Oct 2012

lots of money? Does your mother have a job? My mother went through 3 divorces and I was right there with her.

First, FIND OUT EVERYTHING ABOUT THE MONEY! AND THE BILLS. Does he have credit cards just in his name? Always get the mail before he comes home. Does he have PO box? Is the home paid for? Where are the assets?

There are so many places for help compared to when my mom got a divorce. Is father abusive? Verbally or physically? Does your mother have parents or siblings to stay with for a while?

Talk to a counselor at a Domestic Violence center....they know everything. Life is too short to stay w/ some asshole.

If he is violent or owns weapons, get a gun. I'm not kidding. One is allowed to protect oneself.

I hope your mother isn't one to 'suffer in silence.'

MissNostalgia

(159 posts)
62. I have tried, and havent stop
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:48 PM
Oct 2012

She has gone from telling me, "Im alright", to "I wish he would just disappear". I have suggested outside resources that you have mentioned but she wont commit, I wont quit though. Thanks you for your response,

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
63. Talk to your mother about the Stemberg case.
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:49 PM
Oct 2012

Get her to think realistically about how much money she will need in the future.

A lot of women talk themselves into the idea that everything will be all right. They have been crushed by their bad marriage, but the dreams that have shattered. You have to get off the feeling bad, emotional edge and start thinking about inflation and growth in value and how much your mother and father earn or have saved. Get someone who can advise her on her financial future. Does she have a career? Will she be able to work -- realistically?

Don't feel bad. Think clearly. Set your feelings aside. Above all, set anger aside. A lot of women are overcome by their anger and disappointment and cannot think rationally when they feel rejected. That has to be set aside. Divorce is a money matter. Take away the hate and love as much as possible. Think clearly. Think rationally.

A lot of women harbor a secret wish that things could go back and be the way they were. They can't. Maybe if you kind of explore that with your mother -- her feelings of regret, she will be better able to think as clearly as she needs to.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
74. I don't think it's going to be that tough...
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:11 PM
Oct 2012

I'm not 100% sure on the time line here, but the testimony is from 1991 when Staples was trading at about 1$ a share. It didn't take off like a rocket immediately, either. It's not very hard to make the argument that Staples outlook AT THAT TIME was still pretty questionable.

People seem to be looking at this as Gloria Allred's "October Surprise", but there's not really much here that really bad about Romney or new. Basically, it's her way of injecting her client (or herself) into a popular news story (the election) for PR purposes. If the divorce case is done, then perhaps someone has a book or movie coming out.

Harriety

(298 posts)
36. "I know how to make money." "I have what it takes to get this economy back on track"...Yes
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:41 AM
Oct 2012

by lying & deceiving people!

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
68. Romney's MO was nearly always:
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:52 PM
Oct 2012

Borrow money and buy a company.

Once you control the company, borrow against its assets.

Then cash in by selling the assets you borrowed against and paying yourself a big bonus out of the proceeds.

If the money doesn't stretch far enough to pay your own outsized bonus and also the creditors, then declare bankruptcy and stiff the creditors.

Now. Apply that to the US.

How in the world will that MO solve the problems of the US?

It won't. But Romney has yet to demonstrate that he knows any other method of operation.

Why does anyone support Romney? I have no idea.

nenagh

(1,925 posts)
73. Romney's 'plan' managed bankruptcy of the auto industry...
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:06 PM
Oct 2012

(even though there was not private money to invest after the 2008 crash)

Wouldn't Romney's managed auto bankruptcy... Downsize, lose great numbers of jobs if his 'plan' was implemented?

I can't quite understand what the auto industry would look like now if Romney had applied his Bain model to the industry in 2008.

CanonRay

(14,118 posts)
37. Romney lied? Gee, what a surprise
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:46 AM
Oct 2012

I wouldn't believe the guy if he said the sun comes up in the East. He's a natural born liar.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
49. They, like us, are probably just waiting to see what the actual story here is.
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:10 PM
Oct 2012

If it's just pointing out that Romney is an asshole - we already knew that.

If they're actually going to sue him and press charges for perjury......then it will start getting wheels.

Richard D

(8,774 posts)
50. Yet another good reason why he should never be given the opportunity . . .
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:11 PM
Oct 2012

. . . to lie when he takes this oath:

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
52. As I figured...
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:15 PM
Oct 2012

this was more about Allred using the presidential election to generate publicity for her client than actually revealing anything important about Rmoney.

Megahurtz

(7,046 posts)
55. All One Has To Do
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:32 PM
Oct 2012

is hear Romney speak and see his mannerisms, to determine that it's obvious that he is a lying con-artist.

And now this?

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
56. Was there children involved? I'm curious about that part...
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:36 PM
Oct 2012

You know, if there were kids, how did that lie affect them and support, etc.

Lone_Star_Dem

(28,158 posts)
64. This is from TMZ. There was a son involved.
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:49 PM
Oct 2012

Sources tell us ... Tom also got custody of the couple's one child, making allegations of abuse against Maureen. And get this ... in the mid-90s, after the divorce, Tom sent the boy a letter saying, although he loved him, because of issues related to the divorce "it will not be possible for you to be a part of our family for the foreseeable future."

Read more: http://www.tmz.com#ixzz2AEh2Ljdi

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
60. ahh.. TMZ
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:48 PM
Oct 2012

little rascals getting all up in Romney's bidness..

Interesting that this is coming forth from "mainstream"
isn't it?

ProgressiveEconomist

(5,818 posts)
75. Is Maureen in any shape to go on "The View", "Politics Nation", and other TV and cable
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:25 PM
Oct 2012

shows? I'm assuming Maureen does not support Romney for President.

A TV blitz by Maureen starting 10 days before the election would be great for us and her dream ultimate revenge.

When will the Boston court rule on Gloria Allred's petition? Is Maureen Allred's client?

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
76. This sucks, but does anyone here really think it will affect Romney's campaign?
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:26 PM
Oct 2012

Worse things have been ignored with this electorate...

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,145 posts)
78. too late to make an ad about his pattern of lying to get what he's after
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:48 PM
Oct 2012

besides republicans love to lie a lot!!

October

(3,363 posts)
79. I don't see this having any negative impact on R(money).
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:09 PM
Oct 2012

He screwed over a woman. A woman.

It's obvious to me that the "right" wing doesn't care one bit about women. They'll love him even more for it, I suspect.

Just my 2 cents.

Javaman

(62,534 posts)
80. How is this news?
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:30 PM
Oct 2012

a real "breaking news" story about mittens would be...

Mitt Romney Allegedly told truth in Court To Screw Over Friend's Wife

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
84. At the time, Mass. courts were very pro-wife in divorce cases
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 04:55 PM
Oct 2012

A woman friend of mine was trying to get a divorce at the time. It wasn't an amicable divorce, but it wasn't nasty either. There were some hard feelings, but they thought they could make it go smoothly.

After months of wrangling, she and her husband finally came to an agreement on how they would divide the assets.

Then, they went to court. The judge wouldn't approve the divorce. He said that she had to get a greater share of the assets and he told them to go back and work something out.

My friend was livid. She was happy with the settlement and she just wanted out. She told the judge that in court, but the judge insisted that she get more.

So, if this woman got screwed over, then Romney lied, lied, and lied some more.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
85. I just don't see it. Some people that plan to vote for Romney will tell you face to face that
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:08 PM
Oct 2012

Romney is a liar. Yet they will vote for Romney. I wonder whether those people have children that are listening to them and watching their actions now. The story of Mitt Romney's life is not what he says when under pressure, but what he choses to do in private, when he has the advantage and there is no pressure. I understand and trust the choices that President Obama will make in those circumstances.

revolution breeze

(879 posts)
89. Not enough to sway a voter I am afraid.
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 06:25 PM
Oct 2012

Now if it had been Tom Cruise that he lied for, that would be another story!

blondie58

(2,570 posts)
95. unbelievable
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 12:02 AM
Oct 2012

And I read on Another report that he also fought to kick her off his health insurance.

The sad part is, this woman also has ms.
You would think that Mitt might be just a little sympathetic.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
96. and???
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 09:15 AM
Oct 2012

okay so we know he lied. Oh horrors!!!!! He lied. Give me a break, he's been doing what this WHOLE CAMPAIGN, and what may I ask has been done about that. Perjury is a serious offense, for us little people.

4 more years

(100 posts)
97. World leaders would never trust our nation !!!
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 10:27 AM
Oct 2012

We can't let this happen. This so called body of flesh has no traits to ever be president of any country. He has Mormon brainwashing .His father knew brainwashing when he saw it. This is really a shock that this race is taking place. Just really a sad day in politics and the news media coverage. This bag of flesh will turn back ALL advances this country has made in the past 20 years.

Cherchez la Femme

(2,488 posts)
103. I just hope she sues the Depends off'n him.
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 09:58 PM
Oct 2012

Unfortunately with the old boys clubs and Republican-heavy courts that will be one long uphill battle too.

But damage to Rmoney? He'll no. It's all a part of screw-everyone-you-can American Capitalism; especially if he's your (male, white, rich -- is there any other kind?) boy's-club buddy.

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