About that whole rape, pregnancy and "God's will" thing...

[WilliamPitt]

So...conception from rape is "something that God intended." Ergo, the rapist is an instrument of God, and therefore blameless.

Reminds me of Jerry Falwell saying 9/11 was God's punishment for "the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America."

Ergo, the 9/11 terrorists were instruments of God, and were therefore blameless.

See how that works?

It's a kind of magic.

[mac56]

1. this

[xchrom]

2. Du rec. Nt

[MAD Dave]

3. Perfect RW logic.

[Grammy23]

26. You mean there really is LOGIC behind their thinking?

OMG...now that's a scary thought.

[Arkansas Granny]

38. No, when you put RW in front of logic, it kinda cancels it out.

[hifiguy]

4. Once reason is abandoned,

all is lost. And reason is to the religulously insane as toilet seats are to hockey - utterly irrelevant.

[safeinOhio]

5. Predestination would also make

every abortion "something that God intended."

[Brickbat]

6. Any god who uses evil to manifest his ends is too much of a mystery for me to buy into.

[femrap]

19. Wouldn't that be

Lucifer's work??? Making males rape? Are these people Devil Worshippers???

Start throwing the words, Lucifer, Satan, and Devil around about these RW creeps and they'll STFU.

And Mormons....the Fundy RW knows little about this religion. Maybe they like Satan every now and then when it is to their benefit.

I am surrounded by crazy Fundies. I love saying 'Satan' around them. It stops them in their tracks.

[fasttense]

28. A Rapist is an instrument of God???

A rapist is in reality an instrument of evil and God is NOT suppose to be evil, so how can a result of rape be God's intention?

God intends for evil to flourish?

Oh you right-to-lifer Christians, always twisting logic and promoting Satan. Just like those right-to-lifer murders and bombers. Doing evil in service of Satan, I mean God. Oh my how Satan and God are so mixed together in a right-to-lifer's mind.

[Generic Other]

7. Once they go down that road

it isn't far from the public square where women get stoned for being raped. After all, the men could not be expected to control their impulses.

[femrap]

20. If the

dudes can't control their sexual impulses, are they prez material? And I doubt they should be allowed to deal with money, do you?

[Solly Mack]

8. Exactly.

[WilliamPitt]

9. .

[valerief]

10. As Sarah told us, Jesus is magic. nt

[Sheepshank]

11. If something like "god's will be done" in the case of rape.....

then how can anyone separate "God's Will" from the human factor when it comes to murder, dismemberment, torture, disease, illness, lying, cheating, loud and lavicious laughter, prostitution, working on the Sabbath, dishonoring parents, impregnating minors, the human sex slave trade and taking the Lards name in vain?

[redqueen]

12. Thank you for this cogent political OP about this topic.

(The religious debates are so tiresome.)

Succinct and on point. K&R

[hamsterjill]

13. I agree.

And love the "Queen" reference, too! Love that song.

[Liberalagogo]

14. It's EXACTLY like

Harry Potter!!

[The Magistrate]

15. There You Go, Sir: The Rapist is God's Instrument To Knock You Up

Hell, you probably go against the will of God if you resist, or afterwards summon the police....

[Spitfire of ATJ]

16. Seems appropriate tho throw this into the mix...

[agtcovert]

21. This is a perfect illustration...

of how the wheels have just come off the train completely. For as much as the right lauds Reagan, he'd have a snowball's chance in hell of being elected in the current Republican party. They're quite practiced at ignoring history and facts anyway.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

22. "They're quite practiced at ignoring history and facts anyway."

Especially their own.

[stopbush]

17. The flaw in the argument is, of course, that god doesn't exist.

[nostalgicaboutmyfutr]

18. Why only one rec button?? EOM

[Spitfire of ATJ]

23. You think that's bad???

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021607857

[Liberal Gramma]

24. So...everything is God's will?

Even evil? That's not quite how I remember it from Sunday School. Maybe this guy was a dropout.

[Gman]

25. Actually, Christians believe that

Satan is the source of all evil. If rape is evil, it comes from Satan. Therefore, how can a pregnancy from rape be God's will?

Ask 'em this and watch for the puzzled look.

[WilliamPitt]

27. Satan is from God, too.

...bzzzzt...does not compute...bzzzt...

[Gman]

29. If you know the story of the fall of the angels

It does make sense.

[historylovr]

30. They'll say that God allowed it to happen.

You know, to test us, or something. Or maybe it's punishment. And what can you expect from a vengeful Mesopotamian deity?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

33. If Satan punishes evil-doers, doesn't that make him a good guy? ?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

31. It's like saying murder is OK because orphaning children is "God's Will". R/T/Mourdock logic. nt

[Coyotl]

32. About that whole rape, pregnancy and "human imagination" thing...

Let's be scientific about this. Figments of imagination are personal and there is no outside counterpart to imagination. "I imagined it, therefore it is" is pure poppycock. And that, my friends, is the gist of this problem. The cure is education. Magical thinking is bullshit.

[nichomachus]

34. Romney is going to announce that Rick Santorum

will be his Pro-Rape Czar

[napkinz]

35. kick

nt

[hifiguy]

36. Epicurus and David Hume

refuted religion with the most basic logic. It still remains true today. Core truths have a wat of doing that.

God is all-powerful.
God is perfectly good.
Evil exists.
If God exists, there would be no evil.
Therefore God does not exist.
-- Epicurus , his logical formmulation which we have dubbed the "Epicurean Riddle"; quoted from William Hart, Evil: A Primer (2004), pages 28-29

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
-- David Hume, echoing the logical formulation that we have dubbed the "Epicurean Riddle"; quoted from William Hart, Evil: A Primer (2004), pages 28-29

BTW, I do not consider Buddhism to be a "religion" because it categorically rejects the notion of a godhead or a messiah.

[Initech]

37. What kind of fucked up god do these freaks worship?

To quote Stephen Colbert: "This just in, Jesus has quit!"

[napkinz]

39. so Paul Ryan said last week there's no war on women ...

[napkinz]

40. posted in another thread by LuckyTheDog

[Media Lies]

41. We must all strive to prevent our Fascist government from becoming a Theosophy!

What would the gigantic corporations that rule the U.S.A. do if they were forced to obey the Golden Rule or embrace concepts like Christian charity?

[Care Acutely]

42. oh dear

[GeorgeGist]

43. Then there's the Virgin Mary conundrum.

[glinda]

44. Well it would certainly decriminalize rape wouldn't it? Oh joy.

[ck4829]

45. It is magic

This is the inevitable result when you think logic has a liberal bias.

[Skidmore]

46. Well, Falwell was the founder of the Moral Majority movement.

He prayed death and destruction on many groups and certainly was not a strong supporter of women's rights, except if they could turn their earnings over to his coffers.

[napkinz]

47. The GOP Chart

[Odin2005]

48. When some god-botherer starts talking about "God's Will" I tune out.

It's fatalist BS that precludes any sense of morality and responsibility.

[napkinz]

49. kick

nt