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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOne word I never want to hear a Republican utter ever again....
"deficit".
When the candidate they support is calling for 20% tax cuts across the board, including for the wealthy, the "deficit" is going to explode. It's the same thing they have said and done since Ronald Reagan. They don't give a big crap about the "deficit". Except, of course, when a Democrat has one.
Yeah, they say they are going to cut spending but most of the spending of the last 40 years has been under the Republican Party. There was never a murmur when George W Bush was doubling the debt. In fact, most of the present "deficit" spending of Barack Obama is leftover salmon from Bush and the Republicans.
They have no credibility.
SharonAnn
(13,779 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)you DEFINITELY have a bad case of Romnesia!
hlthe2b
(102,405 posts)Hypocrite, thy name is "REPUBLICAN"....
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Garion_55
(1,915 posts)'job creators'
looks like fox might have finally retired 'homicide bomber' though what a dumb term that was.
AAO
(3,300 posts)spanone
(135,891 posts)they only matter when democrats incur them
cheriemedium59
(212 posts)BanzaiBonnie
(3,621 posts)Wouldn't sinking the country financially be the ultimate way to break the USA?
I believe this is the promise of Mitt Romney.
SWTORFanatic
(385 posts)Hahaha I'm just kidding. They'll still fall for it hook line and sinker.
It took:
Clinton tax rates on income
Clinton tax rates on capital gains (he did cut capital gains rate 7 or 8%, but Bush cut the rate another 5% and Rmoney is not going to touch the capital gains rate)
And Clinton's economy - the biggest peacetime expansion in the US economy in history.
I can see though how stupid these people are, whether the deficit actually shrinks or not (it could shrink under Rmoney tax cuts, if the economy grows fast enough but I don't see that happening), it will be nowhere near balanced. Then the next time a democrat comes into office they'll scream about the debt, deficit, and taxes. They talk about how difficult it is to get rid of a social program but in actuality what's really difficult to get rid of is a tax cut on the rich!
ThomThom
(1,486 posts)we did not put the blame where it belonged at the time
instead we blame consumers for bad loans
mia
(8,363 posts)"compassionate". Romney represents the exact opposite.
JohnnyRingo
(18,657 posts)When Republicans are in the White House that word falls out of favor. It was Dick Cheney who famously said that "the deficit doesn't matter" when discussing a new round of tax cuts.
Even now, "deficit" is just a tool they use to get rid of things they don't like. The fight in Washington isn't now and never was about reducing the debt, it's about who gets the money the government spends. Right now the vast working class is losing that struggle.
Overseas
(12,121 posts)I thought President Obama took those figures and brought them into the total deficit and so his deficit looked larger but was just a more honest figure which included the very expensive wars the Bush Gang pushed through.
Maybe I'm wrong about that.
But if I'm not, I've wondered why that isn't being pointed out.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)unhappycamper
(60,364 posts)invasions and occupations off the books.
Mark my words: These two adventures will end up costing We the People around $5 to $6 trillion dollars by time we add in the cost of caring for those who served.
Overseas
(12,121 posts)Hard to make the truth short enough, perhaps. "Half of that total is the wars that the Bush Republican team kept off the official budget calculations."
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)A tool to destroy the New Deal and the social contract.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)....it's debt owed by the public. Like it's the total mortgage, car loan and credit card, etc.. debt. Listen to how they talk about it. They make it sound like the only reason it even exists is because the government is taking too much money out of circulation and their cure is to cut taxes.
Once you realize that's what they are saying, it all makes sense. Try it with the next right-winger you meet. They really believe this crap. That's why they think a tax hike will INCREASE the "National Debt". They also believe the number one thing the government is spending their money on is faceless paper pushers and welfare for "lazy people" (guess what color) and foreign aid for ungrateful people who want to kill us and that's all the fault of Liberals who think the world is all rainbows, bunny rabbits and butterflies.
I've heard this crap for years, tried to tell them they're wrong and ended up in more than one fist fight as they lash out in absolute fury.
world wide wally
(21,755 posts)jerseyjack
(1,361 posts)Tom Hartmann refers to this about three times each month. Repukes are putting this into practice.
JackBoik
(50 posts)porphyrian
(18,530 posts)Galraedia
(5,027 posts)Ask them why they're cutting programs that benefit the poor and middle-class while at the same time giving tax cuts to the rich. This alone should nullify their argument because they aren't cutting spending to reduce the deficit, they're cutting spending to offset the loss of revenue from their tax cuts to the rich.
RC
(25,592 posts)*Jobs: Part time, minimum wage, split shift, soul destroying... Because they can't be outsourced. Somebody gotta clean the rich's houses and shine their shoes.
If tax cuts create jobs, why are we not overflowing in Living wage jobs, since bu$h cut taxes on his rich friends over 10 years ago,?
Galraedia
(5,027 posts)We have a system that goes into creating jobs. Consumers create demand and demand creates jobs. Tax cuts for the rich as a means of job creation is a dumb argument in itself. It makes no sense economically or logically and creates greater income inequality. To succeed in the global economy requires collective action on the part of the people and government to invest in education, infrastructure, industry and technology. As the wealthy become detached from ordinary life, these concerns become less of an issue, making them feel more indignant about having to contribute to these services. All the while, our schools continue to fall behind the rest of the world, our infrastructure is in shambles, industry has lost millions of jobs, and we are no longer the world leader in technology.
RC
(25,592 posts)Then we are still the world's leader there.
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)No one can deny it's true. Why don't Dems all campaign of this fact and drum it into some dumb heads?
IDemo
(16,926 posts)Makes it sound as if anyone who must rely on the social safety net is a a pampered child.
Fozzledick
(3,860 posts)The Republicans are entirely responsible for the Republican deficit. There was no deficit when the Republicans took power in 2000, the Republicans chose to create it with Bush's tax cuts, Bush's unwinnable wars, and Bush's recession. Since he came into office President Obama has cut the Republican deficit by 40%.
Tigress DEM
(7,887 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,324 posts)Jennicut
(25,415 posts)I will literally puke. And the "national debt". Repubs care nothing about any of these things.
ReasonableToo
(505 posts)...to pay off the deficit by 2012.