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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsApparently the movie Argo rewrote history
My wife and I went to see Argo, and both of us agreed that it was a very good film.
I won't be giving anything away (most of you know the story anyway) by saying
that during the final credits, a photo is displayed on the screen of Jimmy Carter
shaking hands with Tony Mendez, while present day Jimmy Carter narrates a brief statement
of the hostage freeing mission.
As we were standing up to leave, I overheard the man next to me lean over to the
woman he was with and say "Carter didn't get the hostages out, Reagan did. He
threatened to nuke Iran, so they released 'em."
Needless to say I almost puked up my popcorn. Man, that Reagan was a damn miracle
worker. I've heard him credited for an amazing number of great deeds. I guess
I should burn my history books and jump on the Reagan bandwagon.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)Ben Affleck has been on a roll lately. ("The Town" also was a great movie)
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)qkvhj
(57 posts)Why Iran turned the hostages loose is a matter of differing opinions, but Carter owns the attempted hostage rescue lock stock and barrel.
I will tell you three things
.
During that time I was an AB Ranger
The Rangers were and are Delta Force
Delta force personnel were positioned in the middle of the Egyptian desert and deployed from there on this mission.
It was the biggest cluster ""ck I have ever been a part of.
and that was all on Carter.
Carter was what he was. He was and is an honest man in a pool of political sharks. This mission was a total disaster.
not sure why, but I believe you. Thanks for your post. Delta Force? Awesome.
braddy
(3,585 posts)upi402
(16,854 posts)but not Delta Force from what I know. Trained at Ranger School or 75th. I have (had) a Ranger buddy. Not certain.
braddy
(3,585 posts)was blocking Rangers from trying out for Delta because they didn't want to lose the men, but Beckwith went to the Pentagon to force the issue.
That means that the original Delta was made up of roughly 100 ex-Rangers, and ex-Army Special Forces, Ranger units were also at Desert one, and at an air strip for the after portion of the raid, serving as "Rangers", not "Delta".
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)And nuclear physicists. And doctors.
Didn't you know that already?
Newb ;p
Zalatix
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BlueToTheBone
(3,747 posts)tarheelsunc
(2,117 posts)braddy
(3,585 posts)jmowreader
(50,567 posts)Everyone in Delta Force has been to Ranger School at least once, often as instructors. But SFOD-D and the 75th Ranger Regiment are two completely separate groups.
US Army Special Operations Command is in charge of the Army's special operators. Under them are the Special Forces groups, 160th Aviation and 75th Rangers.
The Navy Special Operations Command owns all the SEAL teams EXCEPT for SEAL Team 6, which is the Team that greased Osama.
There are also Air Force Special Operations Command and Marine Corps Special Operations Command, but they're not germane to this discussion.
There is another command called JSOC, or Joint Special Operations Command. It is at Fort Bragg but there are blue-suiters and green-suiters in it. JSOC owns US Army Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta (Delta Force) and SEAL Team 6.
upi402
(16,854 posts)to prevent sand clog? That's what I read.
A little PJ-1 or No-Toil baby!
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)instead of an integral part.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Caper
Movie poster created by the CIA as part of the cover story
The operation itself was initiated at great personal risk by then Canadian ambassador to Iran, Ken Taylor, and Canadian immigration officer John Sheardown who provided sanctuary in their own private residences for the six endangered American diplomats. Two "friendly-country" embassy officials assisted as well, and an unoccupied diplomatic residence was used for several weeks.
Ambassador Taylor contacted then Canadian Secretary of State for External Affairs, Flora MacDonald and Canadian Prime Minister Joe Clark for assistance, who expressed support for the effort. They decided to smuggle the six Americans out of Iran on an international flight using Canadian passports. To do so, an Order in Council was made for the issuance of Canadian passports to the American diplomats in Canadian sanctuary. The granted passports contained a set of forged Iranian visas prepared by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency that would be used to attempt an escape from Iran.
The CIA enlisted its disguise and exfiltration expert, Tony Mendez, to provide a cover story, documents, appropriate clothing, and materials to change their appearance. Mendez worked closely with Canadian government staff in Ottawa, who forwarded the passports and other supporting material to the Canadian embassy through a Canadian diplomatic courier. Mendez then flew to Tehran with an associate to assist with the rescue. There were alternate passports and identities for a variety of scenarios, but the cover story selected had the six being a Hollywood crew scouting movie locations. The elaborate back-story involved a film named Argo, for a Middle-Eastern feel, and a functioning office in Hollywood set up with the help of John Chambers, a veteran Hollywood make-up artist. The script used had been based on the science fiction novel Lord of Light. The six were told that telephone calls to the "Studio Six" office in Los Angeles would be answered. Display ads for the "Studio Six" production were placed in Hollywood publications and one paper was carried by Cora Lijek as part of her cover materials. (The movie scenario was considered one way to get an armed team into Tehran to retake the embassy.)[3]
SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)He was part of a delegation that convinced the Ayatollah that he would get a "better deal" from Reagan than from Carter.
and Jim Baker also was instrumental in getting the "almost-there"
Peace Process in the I/P negotiations stalled before GW was inaugurated.