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LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 11:25 AM Oct 2012

Here's another story else who didn't serve Vietnam because of his religion. Let's see what happened



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali#Vietnam_War

Vietnam War
In 1964, Muhamad Ali failed the U.S. Armed Forces qualifying test because his writing and spelling skills were sub-par. However, in early 1966, the tests were revised and Ali was reclassified as 1A.[13] This classification meant he was now eligible for the draft and induction into the U.S. Army during a time when the United States was involved in the Vietnam War. When notified of this status, he declared that he would refuse to serve in the United States Army and publicly considered himself a conscientious objector. Ali stated: "War is against the teachings of the Holy Qur'an. I'm not trying to dodge the draft. We are not supposed to take part in no wars unless declared by Allah or The Messenger. We don't take part in Christian wars or wars of any unbelievers." He famously said in 1966: "I ain't got no quarrel with them Viet Congs..." Rare for a heavyweight boxing champion in those days, Ali spoke at Howard University, where he gave his popular "Black Is Best" speech to 4,000 cheering students and community intellectuals after he was invited to speak by sociology professor, Nathan Hare, on behalf of the Black Power Committee, a student protest group.

Appearing shortly thereafter for his scheduled induction into the U.S. Armed Forces on April 28, 1967 in Houston, he refused three times to step forward at the call of his name. An officer warned him he was committing a felony punishable by five years in prison and a fine of $10,000. Once more, Ali refused to budge when his name was called. As a result, he was arrested and on the same day the New York State Athletic Commission suspended his boxing license and stripped him of his title. Other boxing commissions followed suit. Ali would not be able to obtain a license to box in any state for over three years.

At the trial on June 20, 1967, after only 21 minutes of deliberation, the jury found Ali guilty. After a Court of Appeals upheld the conviction, the case went to the U.S. Supreme Court. During this time, the public began turning against the war and support for Ali began to grow. Ali supported himself by speaking at colleges and universities across the country, where opposition to the war was especially strong. On June 28, 1971, the Supreme Court reversed his conviction for refusing induction by unanimous decision in Clay v. United States.[13] The decision was not based on, nor did it address, the merits of Clay's/Ali's claims per se; rather, the Government's failure to specify which claims were rejected and which were sustained, constituted the grounds upon which the Court reversed the conviction.


And for Mitt?


http://www.opposingviews.com/i/politics/2012-election/was-mitt-romney-vietnam-draft-dodger

Romney supported the Vietnam War, but did not enlist. Instead, he got draft deferments and worked as a missionary ("minister of religion&quot for 31 months, for the Mormon church, in France, one of those "European countries" that he often tries to tie President Obama to.

The Associated Press reports that after Romney completed his missionary service in 1969, but he asked for and got more deferments, a total of four, successfully staying out of the war that claimed over fifty thousand American lives.
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Here's another story else who didn't serve Vietnam because of his religion. Let's see what happened (Original Post) LynneSin Oct 2012 OP
What are we fighting for? GulleyJimson Oct 2012 #1
keep it up LynSin tk2kewl Oct 2012 #2
Ali had a huge effect on me when I was growing up. reusrename Oct 2012 #3
^ Wilms Oct 2012 #4
Good point! Catherine Vincent Oct 2012 #5
Who said, "No Viet Cong roody Oct 2012 #6
Will Smith said he had such huge emotions when he did that scene LynneSin Oct 2012 #7
I thought it was Ali. roody Oct 2012 #8
 

GulleyJimson

(107 posts)
1. What are we fighting for?
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 11:34 AM
Oct 2012

Don't know and I don't give a damn... next stop is Vietnam.

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And I, I walked over to the, to the bench there, and there is, Group W's
where they put you if you may not be moral enough to join the army after
committing your special crime, and there was all kinds of mean nasty ugly
looking people on the bench there. Mother rapers. Father stabbers. Father
rapers! Father rapers sitting right there on the bench next to me! And
they was mean and nasty and ugly and horrible crime-type guys sitting on the
bench next to me. And the meanest, ugliest, nastiest one, the meanest
father raper of them all, was coming over to me and he was mean 'n' ugly
'n' nasty 'n' horrible and all kind of things and he sat down next to me
and said, "Kid, whad'ya get?" I said, "I didn't get nothing, I had to pay
$50 and pick up the garbage." He said, "What were you arrested for, kid?"
And I said, "Littering." And they all moved away from me on the bench
there, and the hairy eyeball and all kinds of mean nasty things, till I
said, "And creating a nuisance." And they all came back, shook my hand,
and we had a great time on the bench, talkin about crime, mother stabbing,
father raping, all kinds of groovy things that we was talking about on the
bench.

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
2. keep it up LynSin
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 11:37 AM
Oct 2012

the last couple off days you've ripped the Romney's so many "new ones" their stinky shit is spilling out everywhere

 

reusrename

(1,716 posts)
3. Ali had a huge effect on me when I was growing up.
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 06:44 PM
Oct 2012

Of course his name was Clay in '66. I was 16 when they ended the lottery for the draft. I never had to face the choice of whether or not to dodge the draft, but I thought about it a lot. I think I wanted to be like him. A great American role model.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
7. Will Smith said he had such huge emotions when he did that scene
Sun Oct 21, 2012, 02:01 PM
Oct 2012

Say what you will about Will Smith he did do a great Ali for the biopic movie.

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