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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAre we being set up for another election theft??
I know others have mentioned this but I have not given it much credibility....until now. These recent poll numbers seem to have turned on a dime. I cannot believe people change that quickly. You cannot be for Obama one day and for Mitt Romney the next. You may be "undecided" but people do not change their support in that manner, in my opinion.
What is the psychological impact of polls? Obama supporters discouraged? Romney supporters encouraged? Or would some fence sitters simple decide that their vote isn't needed if there is a big lead in the polls for one candidate or another? One thing for certain, this is no time to be discouraged. If this is their game, we cannot let them succeed.
I hope we do not have to go thru another election where Republicans and the Supreme Court decide that the people of any state, not just Florida, cannot honestly count their own votes. We cannot tolerate another such election.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)I think they should have disqualified the whole state of Florida in 2000. And that's what they should do this time if it can't be resolved without the SC horning in. Then the most with electoral votes is the winner no matter if it's still below 270.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)With supervision. The fact that the secretary of state was a member of the bush campaign should have been enough to call in outsiders.
Raster
(20,998 posts)The old, rich, white men want their boys in office, and will do JUST ABOUT ANYTHING to ensure they "win." We should be prepared for ANYTHING.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts)I will NOT roll over and allow a Rmoney/Lyin' Presidency to be forced on me. I will not. I will do whatever it takes.
We, as a people, rolled over twice before: 2000 and 2004, and look what it brought up. Two illegal and immoral wars that almost bankrupted us, a recession where many of us lost our homes and our livelihoods. And most importantly, we lost our way as a people.
NO! I will not roll over. I will not allow old, rich, white men to steal another election. NO!
NO! I will not allow the American Taliban to dictate women's rights and health issues!
NO! I will not abandon Seniors, the poor and students to be used and discarded!
NO! I will not allow the Military Industrial Complex to kill any more American kids because of greed!
NO! I will not allow the Petroleum Mafia to continue to poison our planet!
NO! I will do everything I can to make sure that human rights is more than just a catch phrase!
NO! I will not allow corporations and their sycophants to control this country! NO MORE!
I will do whatever it takes.
CaptJasHook
(1,308 posts)This is exactly what they pulled off in 2000. Use the polls to cause reasonable doubt.
There is NO WAY to explain the gains Romney made after the first debate. It is as if the Pollsters were waiting for any excuse to make their move, and then they pounced.
sandyshoes17
(657 posts)Last edited Fri Oct 19, 2012, 09:11 AM - Edit history (2)
In 2000 and 2004 the exit polls were so called wrong. People are comparing these polls to past stolen elections. I knew 2004 was wrong, before the election bush's approval was in the 30's during he's ahead 2 weeks after the election he's back in the 30's. How does he get elected with 36% approval???
I get the feeling we're getting set up again. Maybe it's me, I am still not over past thefts, once it's done it's done.
Did I Just Type This
(77 posts)Bush's inauguration took place in the white house out of fear for his safety, if that doesn't say he didn't belong there...
Raster
(20,998 posts)...win by default. Vote! It is OUR RIGHT, it is OUR RESPONSIBILITY. VOTE!
PCIntern
(25,589 posts)so what are you doing here? If you don't vote, at least you say you don't, what the hell do you care what happens?
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)We work hard to elect Democrats here. If you haven't voted since Bush and have no intention in voting for Obama in this election, why ARE you here?
Get on board or get out the way.
BetterThanNoSN
(170 posts)Seeing as they stole the last 2 prez elections, and rather blatantly at that, its hard to fault one for being disenfranchised with our 'precious' vote.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)you're of absolutely no use to us. This board is for electing Democrats and we simply don't have the time or the inclination to deal with anyone who doesn't even bother voting.
Selatius
(20,441 posts)Well, to be honest, the country has always had trouble properly counting votes. I am reminded of my own state's history of oppression against an entire race of people.
However, since electronic voting has become mainstay, it seems the problem has become worse than before. At least in the past, trying to steal an election was a lot more paper-intensive vs. stealing an election run on machines, and if there was paper involved, then that meant there was evidence of possible fraud.
Did I Just Type This
(77 posts)Polls in this case are done to judge the public response to Romney being in the hunt, early voting shows Obama winning by 68%...but the NEW polls say Obama is dead even (depending on the poll). I honestly don't see Romney winning more than 38% total. His own party is disheartened by his nomination and most won't be voting. He and Ryan are too extreme for most republicans. Just my opinion.
ZM90
(706 posts)and is prepared to fight.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)I think there could be issues. They will try to steal it I believe.
We all should be thinking how to protest if it goes the way of 2000. I couldn't live with that happening again. Would prove that disrupting elections is an ongoing strategy. Banana Republic.
vi5
(13,305 posts)His record on giving the GOP far too much leeway and credibility and credit for being fair and equitable and reasonable says otherwise.
Cha
(297,693 posts)laws and went to court to fight for everyone to have early Voting in Ohio and reverse the voter id laws in Florida.
They have our back and I have theirs. It's in their best interests and our country's to know what going on with the republicons' plans to steal another election.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Who could ever forget the horrors of the year 2000. George Bush handed the Election by the Supreme court, discounting every vote in the United States. Could it happen again? Absolutely. Is Romney rich enough to want this election so badly, he would do anything to get it? Absolutely.
Just thinking about waking up November 7th, with the visions of Romney/Ryan standing there to applause of thousands of Tea baggers, Right wingers, and Fox News commentators makes my stomach want to turn over, thinking about the consequences of those two in the white house.
I frankly think it would be worse than George W. Bush. Not only would Obama~care be wiped out in a day, but they would do everything they could to turn over everything the President had done in the last four years. Pig Rush Limbaugh would be beating his chest like a howler monkey, and Glenn Beck might even make a comeback. We would go down a road that would lead to the worst things ever, in American History.
This election is the most important one ever. We don't need a greedy representative of the corporate elite running this country. Think of the laws the Supreme court could pass.. things like, if you are business owner, only you and your cronies may be able to vote in the future. The rest of us would lose our right to have a say in anything, and with the Police departments equipped like the military, no one would be safe to walk down the streets, without being searched, poked and prodded.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)than Booshcheney.
"This election is the most important one ever." --
Yes.
JSK
(1,123 posts)When people tell me, "Oh, we would get through a Romney presidency... we survived Bush, didn't we?"
Well, sort of, except for the fact that we were post-Clinton when Bush came along; we were in a good place. We'd be starting at a drastically different point, post Bush, and the progress we have made in these past four years would be wiped out in a matter of weeks. And it would be a free-fall from there.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)That is very lo-info thinking is all I can say...and many of us still have PSTD.
I agree with you. They would carry out their threats.
It is imperative to stop them or we will see everything we care about G.O.N.E.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)That worries me!
sandyshoes17
(657 posts)I don't have a link. But Tagg and Ann have connections to the e-voting machines. That should be illegal. Will try to find the article.
KaryninMiami
(3,073 posts)Diebold (or whatever their new name is), ES&S and Sequoya who manufacture all of the electronic voting machines are GOP companies. All that's changed is that Romney/Bain are now involved. But voting on machines made by companies with a political agenda is not new- and is not ok. But nothing's been done about it. And by the way, access to the source codes is limited only to their employees.
Maybe this time there are enough folks who know and are paying attention including DOJ- we can only hope.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,045 posts)CanSocDem
(3,286 posts)laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)We do it here in Canada and usually get the results within an hour or so of polls closing on the West coast. And the whole 'larger population' excuse is just that - an excuse. If you have more voters, then you have more counters. Simple. And verifiable.
CrispyQ
(36,525 posts)This is so wrong on so many levels. They are going to try to steal it. They are. Count on it. It is their MO from here on out. They can't win on ideas & policy so they have to lie, cheat & steal. I suspect there were shenanigans in the '08 election, but the margin was so huge they couldn't overcome it.
Mitt coming off like a bully in the debates has fired-up their lukewarm base a bit. They love bullies & debates are not about facts to them. Plus they have the media in their pockets, spewing 24/7 polls that show the race is neck & neck. Too many low information voters. I know many of them.
To all the assholes on this site who have been chortling that this win is in the bag, fuck you. It's never in the bag when the other side doesn't play by the rules.
Did I Just Type This
(77 posts)95% of the black vote, this isn't a racist figure, Romney's NAACP "you people" quote killed him.
87% of the Latino vote, Arizona had a lot to do with the lack of support from the Latino organizations.
57% of the Women voters, probably higher, I don't believe female republicans will vote Romney/Ryan blindly.
81% of the educated voters, a staggering amount.
Just don't see how Romney is going to compete with those solid/fed up american voters.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)Good to keep those high figures in mind if we the people get Diebolded...
JohnnyBoots
(2,969 posts)And why they are working hard to make exit polling a thing of the past. People won't think too hard if they think the polls were close for the last month.
hue
(4,949 posts)Atman
(31,464 posts)That's how they'll do it this time. Another SCOTUS selection would be too suspicious and cause too much outrage. An electoral college tie means the GOP House would select the president. A tie in the House means the Senate picks the president, requiring a simple majority of 51 votes.
a kennedy
(29,710 posts)I just couldn't live through another SCOTUS deciding an election. Just could NOT live through it again.
Atman
(31,464 posts)They know it will be too obvious and upsetting. Sure, going to Congress will be upsetting, too, but it's legal, it's the law. If the EC ties, the House gets first shot at picking the President, and if they can't agree, it goes to the Senate. Either way, nothing good can come of it. But I highly doubt the SCOTUS would touch this issue again.
randome
(34,845 posts)The only way the GOP could win in 2000 was to obfuscate and fudge the numbers along the margins. The kind of wholesale fraud that would be necessary to make Romney win will not happen.
When the GOP is in the light, they are much more cautious. Even the voter suppression efforts are going to bite them in the ass.
Dj13Francis
(395 posts)We are being set up. Remember Katherine Harris? Remember Ken Blackwell? While the personnel have changed since, the idealogues of the inconcievably corrupt are still in power in both of these states. Voter purges and the media's inevitable narrative about low turnout are smokescreens to distract from the fact that votes are counted by machines whose source code are legally-protected propriatary information of companies owned and operated by the corporate arm of the Republican party, and whose results are guaranteed to declare exactly the winner They desire.
donheld
(21,311 posts)I do NOT believe America is so divided 50/50 like every election seems to indicate. Yes we are a very divided nation, but not an even 50/50. We're being fed that lie and have been fed that lie for several elections now.
fasttense
(17,301 posts)was because there were no protests following the Supremes announcement of who they selected as President.
If only 10% of the American public had gotten out in the street in protest, we wouldn't have had 2 wars, the destruction of our economy and the elimination of the rule of law.
Be prepared to go out and protest in mass, or we will get another 8 years of destruction of the American way of life.
Nate Silver still has Obama's chances of winning reelection at 70.4%.
GreenPartyVoter
(72,381 posts)CrispyQ
(36,525 posts)Checked out the site for his new book, "Billionaires & Ballot Bandits."
http://ballotbandits.wordpress.com/
An excerpt: http://ballotbandits.wordpress.com/excerpts/
snip...
Here are the facts, maam:
In the 2008 election, no less than:
767,023 provisional ballots were cast and not counted;
1,451,116 ballots were spoiled, not counted;
488,136 absentee ballots were mailed in, but not counted.
Add it up: in the last presidential election, no less than 2,706,275 ballots were castand never counted. I have not included a quarter million (251,936) provisional ballots counted only in part (that is, for some offices).
=====
He also has a 7 ways to fight back poster.
People should listen to this. The story about the wrong voting date print on the Spanish voting information packet . . .
GreenPartyVoter
(72,381 posts)dropped like a stone.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021579934
madokie
(51,076 posts)I feel this is a lost cause for us. Too many working too hard to defeat Obama to the point that I don't think we can pull this one out. I hate to be so pessimistic but I am.
Hopefully its just a phase I'm going through
vi5
(13,305 posts)This feels too much like 2000 and 2004 to me. All the optimism is based on looking at things through a cloudy window, with one eye squinting and requires too much being taken on faith.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)to get voters discouraged? I wonder?
vi5
(13,305 posts)This fear and discouragement is making me more adamant about voting and making sure others do than I might be if Obama was having clear leads and it looked like it was going to be a blow out. The logic of this fear somehow making us less likely to vote just doesn't make much sense at all.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)It's good to hear that you are not one of them.
vi5
(13,305 posts)I think discouraged voters are more going to come into play when a candidate is either way ahead or way behind. When things are this tight, I can't see anyone going "Eh.....I'm not going to bother because I'm discouraged." Especially after 2000. I could be wrong, but I just think that the phenomenon of the discouraged voter doesn't apply in a tight race. I think if anything it energizes voters.
I have 97% given up on the electoral process. I still volunteer & vote & I think this is one of the most critical elections in our time, but I have no confidence in our electoral process. Electronic voting, big money influence, a compromised media, an apathetic population, a side that doesn't play by the rules & a side that doesn't do anything about it.
ellennelle
(614 posts)in order for a theft on the voting machines to work.
all the voter suppression and id laws and purge lists and registration destruction (not to mention the old US atty firings of 05, but they got caught), all these are designed to keep turnout down. low turnout means low dem votes.
flipping the machines requires a horse race in order for flipped votes on election day at the machines to be "credible."
note two things: one, obama led fairly comfortably going in to election night in 08. two, he was likely "allowed" to win because the republicans did not want the flaming bag of elephant crap they left on the doorstep. better to blame in on the dems (blame it on the dems, blame it on the dems; we will come rejoicing, blame it on the dems)
the "horse race" we supposedly have now, remember, is most often reporting on likely voters; likely voters are those with a track record, often two or three general elections back. that means almost a decade, which means the whole youth vote of twenty somethings is not getting counted in there at all. obama is not carrying them at the level he did in 08, but he does hold a strong majority with them.
another thing to consider is how little cell phones are used for polling; some pollsters use them, but not nearly to the actual proportion they are represented in the population, so the polls over-represent older (read: republican) voters (rasmussen is the worst culprit here).
moreover, something that just came up last week, none of these pollsters use spanish speaking interviews, which should make an enormous difference, both in polling and in the election. this was the reason why we saw obama ahead by 2 in AZ; they used spanish speaking interviews. you won't see that result again there unless they use spanish; think of the other states where this will matter, such as CO (where the hispanic vote kept reid in the senate, over - ugh- sharon angle!), FL, even GA and NC, and yes, TX.
so yeah, this is a huge issue, and needs to be screamed from the rooftops by someone highly credible (i'm lookin' at you, rachel) in the media. and now, before election night. if we wait till the day after, the RWN echo chamber will shrug us off as sour grapes.
this is serious. and they've been working on this whole program since nixon and reagan, so yeah, conspiracy to obstruct democracy? i call it treason.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)Great first post!
sandyshoes17
(657 posts)That's it exactly. The last election was the first to not be tampered with, that's why we won solidly. If they didn't cheat and steal they couldn't win.
a kennedy
(29,710 posts)Thank you, and I'm scared to death.... I'm sending this, with your permission to Rachel right now.
hue
(4,949 posts)The 1% deem themselves the John Galt for the sheeple. From Wiki: "As the plot unfolds, Galt is acknowledged to be a creator, philosopher, and inventor who symbolizes the power and glory of the human mind. He serves as a principled counterpoint to the collectivist social and economic structure depicted in the novel (Atlas Shrugged)." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Galt
juajen
(8,515 posts)There is a lot of truth to the "they screw up, we fix it so they can get more money and screw up again, we fix, ad nauseaum. They will say if voting is crooked, how did Obama win in the first place? We will be furious, but lackadaisical, as usual. Karl Rove needs to be arrested and the mastermind would be perhaps tired and give up. Seems to be plenty of rope to hang him with, but, we sure could have used Elliot Spitzer, or his ilk. BTW, while there will probably be a lot of stealing going on, some things will not change. For instance, they could have gotten rid of Roe v. Wade before and chose not to. They will be selective. Some things are used just to stir up the crowd so you don't see the man behind the curtain.
beac
(9,992 posts)How in the WORLD is that not a conflict of interest?
And now we have the PA GOP operative trashing registrations in VA (caught doing it to eight forms, but likely it wasn't his first time) while working for a Rove-affiliated group.
My stomach has been twisted in knots since they first started claiming one good debate make people love a man they had hated.
You are spot on about landlines v. cellphones. I only have a cell and I've been polled ONCE. A 95-year-old friend of mine has been polled mulitiple times, which makes you wonder if they are oversampling the elderly too. (She's sharp as a tack and always says "I told 'em I support Obama 100%!" )
I hadn't thought about no Spanish language polls. Another excellent point.
Close enough to steal has always been their goal.
On a happier note, WELCOME to DU!
hue
(4,949 posts)This way it would not be too incredible to believe when the election fraud and hacking of voting machines tips the scales in favor of the Republican/Tea Party candidate. The Rethugs have many/a multitude of ways to give them the winning edge and that's all they need.
I, for one, will never believe the Republican Party wins honestly or can be trusted.
longship
(40,416 posts)The They're gonna steal it screeching was then just as loud as it is now.
My question is whether this suppresses voter turnout. I don't think it does, because I think most DUers see it like the many other concern posts. People are worried and DUers are not immune to it.
I have been kind of hard on the They're gonna steal it crowd, but I also understand why they are so concerned.
I only hope that they are putting their concern into action. Barack Obama won handily four years ago because this kind of stuff didn't prevent people from voting anyway. This one seems to be closer.
I only hope that these kind of conspiracy theories do not themselves contribute negatively. My biggest fear is that they do.
Be concerned. But be upbeat and work your tail off.
I think Obama is too far ahead.
vi5
(13,305 posts)The logic of this fear of it being so close discouraging voters makes no logical sense. If anyone thought it was going to be a blow out for Obama and the polls had him so far ahead, people would be MORE likely to just say "Fuck it" and not vote or not encourage others to do so. I was less likely 4 years ago when he was in the lead to argue with or try to encourage my "THere's no difference between the two candidates" type of friends than I am now when it's close. And I'm much more adamant about my own vote and making sure everyone I know who leans Obama is planning to vote.
I could even see if the polls had Obama WAY down as having that effect. But they don't. The polls are horse race close and if anything that's going to fire people up more since we're scared.
sandyshoes17
(657 posts)You are right, they knew the country was going down. Let the Dems have this one, we'll blame them for everything and get back in. Now the economy is turning around they want back in and take all the credit. Plus they need to get rid of AHCA befor people find out it's good and they won't be able to. I hate to be doom and gloom, but they've did it before and I cannot believe this is a tied election.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)INdemo
(6,994 posts)and what they are saying is that President Obama has not given us any plans for the economy for the next four years..Yeserday they were driving that point with people like Chuck Todd,Joe Scar,Kay Hutchison and many others..And to that I say WTF are they talking about...And the response by the Democrats is not being reported by these hacks.
hue
(4,949 posts)and they wanted the opportunity to blame it all on Obama!!
Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)Velvet Revolution. I had trouble giving the link, but this is regarding the testimony he gave as the Plaintiffs expert in the 2004 Ohio case where the Bush/Rove IT guy mysteriously died right before he was to testify, in a mysterious plane crash! If they are willing to spend a billion dollars to get this dick elected, and: 1. Voter purges; 2. Voter ID; 3. Voter intimidation through employers; 4. Racists attacks; 5. Voter registration fraud; and 6. Reduce after hours and weekend voting times and polling locations,
What do you think? Like Samuel L. Jackson has already said, WAKE THEFUCK UP!!!!
hue
(4,949 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Things have gotten too weird with the polls, the depth of the voter intimidation and fraud tactics, the ignoring of court rulings, the destruction of registration forms.......Citizens United together with the complete lack of respect for our election process and democracy by those in the right-wing of of this country.
I don't fucking like it one bit and feel that just "voting early" is not enough.
H2O Man
(73,622 posts)will definitely be engaging in maximum efforts to suppress democratic votes in as many states as possible. These efforts will obviously not be in states such as CA and NY, but in those such as Ohio.
The polls do hint at that. The media coverage tends to assist, although they require a "close" race to generate the "excitement" and interest required to get people to watch hour after hour of pre-election coverage.
LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)OF COURSE they will do whatever they can to steal the election.
They're already busily at it: throwing out Democratic voter registration forms, passing voter ID laws, and every other trick they can think of, with millions of dollars from the Kochroaches backing their tactics.
Stealing elections is to Republicans like eating flesh is to piranhas -- natural, instinctive and remorseless.
TBF
(32,100 posts)Honestly I don't think they really care that much (they meaning the wealthiest folks who are driving this ...). They give us a choice of 2 status quo candidates and say "ok - go at it - pick the one who is "conservative" (social issues) or "progressive". The economics aren't changing as far as I've seen - gap between rich and poor just grows wider.
For me it's worth the drive to the polls (in Texas we start early voting next Tues) to vote for the progressive social issues. As a woman I hate to see so many poor women without health care/birth control etc ...
bucolic_frolic
(43,305 posts)I continue to believe, based on intuition, that Virginia is where
this election will be decided.
asjr
(10,479 posts)not believe in overnight drastic changes in poll numbers. Also, certain members of the media must be receiving a healthy bonus for pushing Romney.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)Rasmussen has Ohio at near dead even.I know I know he leans strongly toward Repukes but all they need is some confirmation that the race was even when the theft occurs..The fact that the Sec of State will not abide by the court oder and he sets the early voting times during working hours..Nevermind that he is contempt but that will be dealt with after the election.
I see the same pattern here as 2004 as far as polling strategies..And even worse for 2012 is that money talks and buys plenty of crooked election commissioners and computer techs that could rig the machines. With the millions they have to spread around they could set some techs up financially for a very long time.
I think I might have mentioned last week when there was a spread of 8 points or so in Obama's favor in Ohio and all the other polls tightened,that if Ohio polling gap closed to near even then it might be obvious that the fix is in.
One thing we have is the Obama team has plenty of attorney's standing by but the Kerry campaign had them in key states too in 2004.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)Again, we are being told that *everything* hinges on Ohio during this election, and the machines being used are just as vulnerable as they were in 2004. Nope...nothing wrong here.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)tightened and everything is hinging on Ohio..when just before the first debate the Rmoney campaign was considering pull some resources there because of the spread..(obviously that was just talk..and something to try and throw Democrats off)
madmax
(16,612 posts)And imho, it will be Ohio. I know, duh.
hue
(4,949 posts)The Wizard
(12,549 posts)lead in the polls on election day to get past the point of a rigged election being within the margin of error. Karl Rove controls the vote tabulators where ever proprietary code electronic voting happens.
TomClash
(11,344 posts)We need you in the fight if this comes to pass.
I know these types of people. They will do anything to win. And when I say anything I mean ANYTHING.
occupymybrain
(74 posts)and the legalization of Marijuana. I got a question how do you all usually vote for judges? I did research and looked for judgments they have made. went form there.
Don't let them have this one, fight, vote, do what you can. We have to be ready for their unfair politics. I dint volunteer for a year and a half to have this stolen from us. I wont give up after the election no matter what happens, I will fight for this country. I have stopped listening to polls I don't watch the news, I do read it however. Keep up the fight if we are strong then they can't steel it from us.
Stargazer09
(2,132 posts)I have to say, though, that there are a lot of republicans who can't stand Romney. I can only hope that they will help ensure that he can't steal the election.
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)And encourage others around us to do so as well. No matter how shitty the polls appear right up to the eve of the election, VOTE. They could be right, or the LV models could be flawed, but if we just give up, then that would be the worst thing we could do.
This will sound hokey, but a positive attitude can't hurt. I'm not talking false confidence. I'm trying hard to not fall into angst because it's really easy every time you see a poll dip, but I really do believe that positive thinking en masse on our side will give us that extra boost of enthusiasm. Let's have faith that a good man can still win an election in this country.
great white snark
(2,646 posts)Actually it sounds intelligent and crucial liberalmuse. Enough votes can overcome any misdeeds.
freedom fighter jh
(1,782 posts)Say one party, call them Party A, wants to steal the election. If their candidate is way behind in the polls and suddenly wins the election, then everyone knows something is up. On the other hand if everyone has been hearing for months that the election looks close, or that the Party A candidate is ahead, then folks won't likely question that candidate's win.
So if someone wants to steal an election, they'll lay the groundwork with poll numbers that make their candidate's win seem plausible.
sandyshoes17
(657 posts)They set up that it's plausible, then afterwards come up with the excuses. Like the young people didn't get to the polls for Kerry. They were saying that 2 min after the election was called. Afterwards it's too late.
brooklynite
(94,740 posts)Bad enough to buy into one conspiracy theory. Combining two (three if you're assuming the media reporting on the polling is also in on the game) is ridiculously unstable
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)We need to counter the threat. I'm worried about it too, and I think the reasons to worry are valid. So I wrote a GD thread with a specific proposal for how we can ACT to protect against election theft. Maybe it's a good idea, maybe not. It's gotten some Recs but very few views and even less discussion. (Here it is: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021580123 )
We need concrete plans to fight against potential election theft. What are the best ideas out there for doing so? Worrying is not good enough.
porphyrian
(18,530 posts)It's too late to register people to vote in this election at this point, I believe, though some states may have different laws. So, focus on voting, getting everyone else to vote. The numbers are in our favor. What we need to do is get enough of a winning margin that they cannot hide any vote-counting shennanigans statistically. The math is in our friend. Vote, vote, vote.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)porphyrian
(18,530 posts)We will have republicans in court for some time over their criminal activity this year and next, I'm thinking.
Baitball Blogger
(46,758 posts)No doubt about it.
ruffburr
(1,190 posts)I'm afraid they will have serious regrets, If you look at greece ,spain etc. you get a small idea of the chaos that might very well be our lot here in the states, 47% plus will be kicked to the curb by the repukes and i doubt they/we are just gonna go silently into the night, It is not a pretty picture that I see unfolding before us, One more reason to do everything we can to stop these sick fuckers and put an end to the good ol' boy bullshit in politics
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)They are different polls asking different people
glinda
(14,807 posts)Matariki
(18,775 posts)and Florida Election Officials documenting vote flipping machines YES I am very very worried we're being set up.
I'm worried the polls are being doctored to match the planned doctoring of the election. Paranoid I know, but that paranoia isn't exactly unwarranted...
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)will even talk about it. The Democratic wins in 2006 & 2008 were by much wider margins, but the Dems got the wins and so they just sat back and pretended. Now we've been "looking forward" for four years and complaining about the outcome, should it go the wrong way, will be too late and look like sour grapes.
This is why you cannot allow criminality to go unanswered.
Redford
(373 posts)Maybe it's another wife or two or three
flyguyjake
(492 posts)is pass laws prohibiting the Repukes from any and all voter fraud moving forward!
We need universal voter laws and we need universal voting machines!
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)Last edited Fri Oct 19, 2012, 08:29 PM - Edit history (1)
I would love to hear from everyone that they vow not to sit down and take another stolen election--IF--it happens. In 2000 we were all in shock, let's hope this time that there are too many people awake and prepared not to allow this to happen again.
There are hundreds, perhaps thousands of voters whose registrations have ALREADY been thrown out, or been swindled or blacklisted, and I think we need to assure that EVERYONE's vote is counted this time, no matter how long it takes. Because we have to teach these bastards a lesson:
NOT THIS TIME YOU CROOKS, AMERICANS ARE STANDING UP THIS TIME.
The election should be a landslide for Obama, but even then we should insist upon every voter who had their registration thrown out to be counted. Make them wait for it
Oh and last time the election was stolen in 2000, there was a media blitz that totally covered up what had happened. We have to watch out for the M$M, because they are complicit in supporting the crooked RW, with few exceptions.
Just my thoughts ~Peace Felix