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What's the deal here? I don't see any other states with this pattern - what gives? I assume DeSantis is behind this, but I doubt monoclonal antibodies are helping this much?
Link to data: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/
Didn't realize that criticizing DeSantis would upset people here.
Edit: I updated graphs to make it more clear and changed title.
15% of all new cases in USA
0.8% of all new deaths in USA
Odd.
LizBeth
(9,957 posts)Bettie
(16,195 posts)something....you never know with these people.
Scrivener7
(51,172 posts)JoanofArgh
(14,971 posts)cases in the 20,000's and 4 deaths one day, 7 the next . Every other state with mid to high numbers has deaths in the double, triple digits.
Ocelot II
(116,353 posts)Wait a week or two, see whether those numbers increase.
LisaL
(45,018 posts)It doesn't match what I see on NYT covid calculator.
BornADemocrat
(8,168 posts)All the other states are following the expected pattern - except one. Surprise! It's FL.
LisaL
(45,018 posts)Worldometer might have trouble locating FL data.
"The pandemic has reached another crisis stage. The number of new infections in Florida continues its record-breaking spike, with an average last week of more than 21,600 per day, the third consecutive weekly record. Deaths also spiked recently, and Florida had 15,441 COVID-19 patients in the hospital Friday, the highest level of hospitalizations since the start of the pandemic."
https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2021/08/18/the-worsening-covid-picture-in-florida-editorial/
Johnny2X2X
(19,478 posts)Been following too, and Florida has been spiking for a good month, their deaths are certainly spiking now too.
I think the data is getting missed. But I wouldn't put it past DeSantis to just outright cover up the data.
LisaL
(45,018 posts)They have record numbers of infections and hospitalizations. Somehow I doubt deaths are going to plummet.
Johnny2X2X
(19,478 posts)It's safe to say a high percentage of those 16,000 people are going to die. Whether that's 25% or 50% I don't know.
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Phoenix61
(17,054 posts)If your diagnosed Aug 1, hospitalized 5th, die 10 days later, Aug 15th. Then a couple of weeks to process the death certificate. Even just 1 week and its Aug 21st before the case counted as a death.
That July 5th dip in cases is what drove the Aug 4th dip in deaths.
Using active cases as a measurement is an odd choice. How would you know when they are resolved? Most of the graphs Ive seen use new cases.
BornADemocrat
(8,168 posts)They were heading up following the recent spike over the past several weeks, then suddenly the cases started dipping for no reason whatsoever. Please go look for yourself before doubting what's different than every other state that I've looked at.
BannonsLiver
(16,633 posts)ExciteBike66
(2,435 posts)so one days is listed as "0" while the next is listed as "239", making the average between those two numbers. Perhaps there were several days in a row of "0" being reported?
BornADemocrat
(8,168 posts)It's not following what we'd expect.
gab13by13
(21,800 posts)of people asking the coroner not to say cause of death was Covid.
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former9thward
(32,267 posts)I picked a couple states on Worldometer, Arizona and New Jersey, to see their patterns and they generally follow the FL pattern.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/arizona/https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/new-jersey/
https://srv1.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/arizona/
BornADemocrat
(8,168 posts)former9thward
(32,267 posts)But they do have rising covid cases and the deaths are falling.
BornADemocrat
(8,168 posts)NJ is rising and AZ is flat.
FL dropped from 129 cases Aug 5th to 7 yesterday. Now THAT is a drop.
former9thward
(32,267 posts)What is it? If the numbers are being falsified (forget for a minute that Democrats control many of the counties where the health departments giving the numbers) then why aren't the total cases being falsified also?
BornADemocrat
(8,168 posts)It seems odd to me, that's all.
I read an article that described how data was not being reported, or was delayed due to interference, I figured others might have some additional information on this. It's really odd. The only explanation I could come up with is the report that they're using monoclonal antibodies on people early in the process as Rachel had pushed many, many times on her show. Could that be the explanation?
former9thward
(32,267 posts)It affects different ages and different health groups differently. Every state has different demographics and cultures. So you are going to see different things happening.
BornADemocrat
(8,168 posts)It's a statistical anomaly I'm raising.
FL cases have been running at least 15% of all cases in the USA on average for weeks.
FL deaths were skyrocketing - as expected following the spike in cases. Now they're 0.8% of all deaths in the USA.
15% of new cases.
0.8% on new deaths.
Daily cases - highest since pandemic began:
Daily deaths - tracked new cases, then suddenly fell to lowest since pandemic began:
Not odd to you?
kairos12
(12,947 posts)BornADemocrat
(8,168 posts)I wonder why people appear to be defending his malfeasance?
Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)Most deaths last winter were among the elderly. With 90 percent of the elderly vaccinated you would expect far fewer deaths.
BornADemocrat
(8,168 posts)Seems like data manipulation to me.
Maru Kitteh
(28,364 posts)I don't know what they're doing with their data over there but looking at their vaccination rates, I call bullshit.
BornADemocrat
(8,168 posts)It seems many states are holding or not reporting data in a timely manner.
Perhaps FL will to a "death dump" at some point in the future?
cadoman
(792 posts)50 states counting 50 different ways, divided into however many counties and hospitals and doctors and coroners also counting things different ways. Oh and throw into that they're reporting at different intervals, mis-counting and mis-entering some data.
All that happens _before_ the chicanery, and I'm sure you can guess there is plenty of that in DeSantis-land because heaven forbid he just admit that vaccinations and masks are the way out of this.
I only use these numbers to get a general ballpark of where things are. It's not indicative for instance, of NY/NJ having a bad Covid policy because of their higher deaths / million.
marmar
(77,164 posts)BornADemocrat
(8,168 posts)Florida on Thursday reported 21,765 more COVID-19 cases and 901 deaths to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, according to Miami Herald calculations of CDC data.
All but two of the newly reported deaths occurred after July 25, with about 78% of those people dying in the past two weeks, according to Herald calculations of data published by the CDC. The majority of deaths happened during Floridas latest surge in COVID-19 cases, fueled by the delta variant.
It is the largest single-day increase to the death total in the states COVID pandemic history.
The jump in the number of reported cases and deaths is due to the newest way deaths and cases are counted. The CDC implemented the change earlier this month, causing occasional one-day aberrations like the 901 additional deaths on Thursday and 726 more deaths reported Monday.
...
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article253766203.html
They've been backfilling the cases in bulk it seems.
Still odd that other states don't seem to be having the same issue.