(Teenager who committed suicide) Amanda Todd's alleged tormentor named by hacker group

[alp227]

The tragic story of B.C. teen suicide victim Amanda Todd has taken another bizarre twist as the internet hacking and activist group Anonymous has named a man the group says was the girl's primary tormentor.

Todd, 15, of Port Coquitlam, died last Wednesday, a month after posting a haunting video on YouTube that cited the sexualized attack that set her down a path of anxiety, depression and drug and alcohol abuse.

During her nine-minute video, the teen explains in hand-written notes that she was in Grade 7 when she was lured by an unidentified male to expose her breasts via webcam.

She says that a year later she received a message from a man on Facebook threatening that if she didn't give him a show, he would send the webcam picture to her friends and family. She says police later told her the man followed through with his threat.

full: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/10/15/bc-amanda-todd-tormentor-anonymous.html

[liberalmuse]

1. Child pornographer & murderer.

I hope this POS is exposed for the world to see.

[jackbenimble]

2. +1

Absolutely. He should be exposed and humiliated and isolated.

[slutticus]

3. It's here:

http://pastebin.com/X4pd8bLM

These guys don't usually get their dox wrong

[gopiscrap]

5. thank you

[Xedniw]

4. She was 12, a child pornographer lures her into photos, and her classmates blamed her

and sexually bullied and demeaned her, which is eventually why she took her own life. This was a 15 year old kid.

The kiddie porn guy deserves the death penalty.

The kids at the school who posted on Facebook and bullied her in public (as well as their parents) deserve to be sued and every bit of property taken from them.

[Egalitarian Thug]

6. “We are Anonymous. We are Legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us.” n/t

[cbrer]

10. ++ nt

[caseymoz]

8. TY anon but why weren't the police on this?

It took Anonymous five days to find this guy. If the police had the expertise and/or will to find this extortionist/child pornographer three years ago, this girl wouldn't be dead. Why are police duties being outsourced to a bunch of volunteers? Really, I expected better than that from the RCMP.

I'm grateful to anonymous that they tracked the guy down finally, web vigilantism at its best (and that's a double-edged sword), but why is everybody so outraged and sad too late? Couldn't everybody have felt this when it might have prevented a tragedy? One that they could see coming? Until she died, all she heard was that people hated her and she was a slut who pretty much got what she had coming to her.

What I see is, officials like the police moved slower or not at all because, perhaps unconsciously, they felt she deserved the abuse she was getting. You talk about slut shaming, and this was worse. She was a child. They might as well blame the minor for statutory rape.

I'm sorry if anybody caught collateral damage from my rant, but this story upsets me to no end. I wish human nature would change

[redqueen]

9. That is a very good question.

A national child anti-exploitation group, cybertip.ca, says it received a tip almost a year ago about Todd. A concerned citizen contacted the organization last November to report that images of Todd were being circulated online, said spokeswoman Signy Arnason. "We did receive one report, and that was passed along to law enforcement as well as child welfare," Arnason said Monday. "It was not a report from her, but it was a report from a concerned citizen."

I hope we get to find out what law enforcement did with that information.

The kind of sexual exploitation described by Todd is part of a seedy cyber-underworld that targets young girls and it is not bullying, but a vicious crime that should be pursued even after her death, say child advocates.

And this should be glaringly obvious. The fact that it isn't speaks volumes about this sick culture.

[caseymoz]

12. But it was the bullying by peers afterward

After the sexual exploitation that appears to have been fatal. They held her to blame for it and wouldn't forgive her. This predator played her peers knowing how they would behave.

And sadly, they lived down to it. When she was rescued from a suicide attempt, they posted that she should try harder. And somebody recommended a stronger brand of bleach. They are as guilty in this as the predator. He was able to play them.

The sexual attack wounded her. The bullying did her in.

[redqueen]

13. The bullying was misogynist.

If not for this deeply misogynist culture, there would have been no slut shaming possible.

[caseymoz]

14. You place your hope in purifying the people of the wicked culture.

What if it's wicked people who generate that culture from what's already inside their brains and not the other way around?

How is it that these kids were so indoctrinated into the culture by eighth grade that they would bully a girl to death?

Either misogyny is taught deliberately and aggressively every day of their lives up until then, or there's something else prompting it that's more intrinsic. If it's the former, you've got a very explicit, obvious conspiracy.

If it's the latter though, misogyny still takes its cues and is communicated and propagated through a cultural process. You can't get rid of it, but you can keep it from being communicated or organized in any way. You can de-fang it through affecting culture.

I can tell you: if a woman is photographed nude, a percentage of people will simply hate her. A certain scientific experiment one of your peers showed me indicated that this was the case. The brain activity indicated that after seeing the picture, some men (15% I remember) regarded the woman as having a status of street derelicts and drug addicts, or perhaps below. It's consistent with what I've observed up till now, and it's sadly consistent with this case.

I wish they had tested women for this response as well. I think a similar thing would happen. My guess is it's not just men, or perhaps even mostly males. (I can't wait to see if it's repeated.)

I think that exact response kicked in here. And then it was reinforced through social media and the schoolyard and became the dominant sentiment.

Some instinct definitely prompted this. I don't think that's what kept it going, though.

[loose wheel]

21. I don't think it was necessarily misogyinst.

Two things.

1. There were a lot of females doing the bullying. Did they hate themselves? We call them children because they don't have fully formed senses of right and wrong. They don't have much in the way of empathy.

2. Humans are mammals. Worse, we're social mammals. Do you know what social mammals do to the member of the herd or pack that isn't right? Look it up, it's pretty brutal.

The above doesn't justify anything. This girl needed help. Adults needed to intervene, clearly on several occassions. Her parents needed to monitor what she did on the computer, that would have helped a lot. If they had been actively monitoring her communications they would have seen what was going on, and could have intervened.

Other than that, I don't know what to say. In the old days, bullies could be confronted and dealt with. These new age anti-bullying policies seem to only make it worse.

[redqueen]

23. We all grow up in this deeply misogynist culture.

Saying the girl bullies "hate" themselves is too literal. They simply grew up in this same culture in which girls and women are of a lower status, and they act accordingly. They, themselves, are not misogynists per se, but we all grow up grow up in this patriarchy and unless and until we are told otherwise, most of us don't examine the patriarchy-based beliefs and attitudes that we are raised with.

[caseymoz]

26. Doesn't explain it.

If it were just a result of general misogyny, you would expect the bullying to be rather evenly distributed, falling on girls in general. This was not evenly distributed.

People in middle-school haven't been exposed yet to any type of ethos that shames a girl specifically for going nude at the prompting of an adult. I find it hard to believe that we're in a culture that entices girls into sexual behavior and yet they learn, so early in puberty, that the girl who behaves sexually is to be viciously harassed. For one thing, a lot of girls in that age group, if not most, are in sexual latency. It would be hard for them to pick something that specific when sexuality hasn't even awakened yet.

This patriarchy both encourages girls to be sexual at an early age, by punishing them for being sexual at an early age. They put them under male control by ruthlessly harassing a girl who tries to please an adult male. The patriarchy's mode of operation certainly shoots Pavlov's dog, dead. If behavior modification and reinforcement worked like this, B. F. Skinner's first experiments would have been comical and we would have never heard of the guy.

And it's for reasons such as these I've come to doubt the patriarchy. Unlike 2+2=4, I can't get the concept to work.

Obviously, though, there is something going on. Men cooperate just too well and too consistently against women.

[redqueen]

27. It's sociology 101.

Basic psychology as well.

The fact that we live in a patriarchal society, and that these messages reach kids in middle school through the media, their families, and religion is simply a fact.

[caseymoz]

32. No it's not. I've taken sociology 101 and more than basic psychology

and nothing was mentioned about the patriarchy in either one. We apparently went to different universities. There's nothing basic about this, nothing that questioning it would do to overthrow either of those disciplines. I don't even remember being tested on any such thing as the patriarchy in any of those classes, including those taught by women. What I learned about patriarchy I found out from reading feminists. Despite what you think, or at least claim, few academics in those disciplines, outside of feminists, consider the patriarchy basic to their science.

Whereas I'm certain that some universities and colleges teach it in 101 classes, I'm just as certain that many don't. In other words, there's a lot of controversy. I can't imagine physics classes where one doesn't teach about relativity. Or a university biology class (outside of religiously perverted ones) that doesn't teach about evolution. It ought to show you how much validity the social sciences have when compared to real science.

[redqueen]

35. " how much validity the social sciences have when compared to real science."

Sorry your professor was substandard, but we are done.

You go on and cling to your belief that it doesn't exist. Enjoy the comfort while it lasts.

[caseymoz]

39. Done because my "professor was substandard?"

So, what am I getting comfort from and why isn't it going to last? Apparently, you worked this out. Making guesses based on scant information: it tells me, you're used to being wrong and never noticing. That will probably serve you very well for a career in the social sciences.

You know, instead of talking down to me and making an Argument from Authority, which is an official logical fallacy, you could have explained me things like how the patriarchy both encourages women to be obedient to men and punishes them for being obedient to men. Apparently, psychologists have worked out how this is consistent with classical and operant conditioning, which says, along with common sense, you don't punish behavior you're trying to establish.

[riderinthestorm]

31. Middle schoolers, male and female are certainly sexual beings. And slut shaming happens that young

I can assure you that its going on, both from personal experience, and from the stats on teen pregnancy and teen sex.

[caseymoz]

33. That depends. Which ones?

You should ask yourself this question: what if I knew exactly what you said was true before you pointed it out-- because it is, and it's common knowledge-- then why would I say what did?

Here's why: if you take the mean average, middle-schoolers are sexual beings; and yes, there are teen sex and pregnancy statistics that show this. However, this applies to every middle-schooler only after you put them in a blender an homogenize them.

In latency, the most common response to sex is disgust, stress and fear. This also linger to a varying degree throughout puberty. A girl can mature and sexually "awaken" as early as 9, and if you're talking about girls in a middle-school class, some are going to be maturing, some are going to be mature (physically and hormonally that is), some are going to be in latency. So, it's pretty much chaos at age twelve. The ones who are mature or maturing, they're what drive statistics on teen sex and pregnancy. Those in latency will go along just to try to fit in, but their participation will be lower.

It's also the ones in latency at age twelve who would have been most disgusted with behavior like flashing an adult. You don't need a patriarchy to explain that disgust.

However, they're not exactly cool. They aren't going to be leading a bullying campaign. In fact, their numbers would be dwindling between the age of 12, which is when Amanda Todd made her mistake, and age 15, which is when she died. For the rest, sex is not longer so totally disgusting, and is getting less so. If they bullied AT due to judgment about a sex act she performed, it would be something else besides pre-adolescent cooties that drive it.

And it's that time that the patriarchy, if it exists, would teach them who a slut is and how to punish her. And to get them to act so thoroughly against their purported nature, it has to be a pretty overt form of behavior modification. And I just don't see it.

I would point also that there's no way feminists would say Amanda Todd shouldn't have been punished for flashing an adult. They wouldn't call her a slut, but I can't imagine any feminist Mom tolerating a girl flashing. They would just stop the punishment at 2-3 months of grounding. (As opposed to the adult who groomed her and persuaded her to do it, who was a pedophile.)

The point is, almost any feminist would agree that her behavior cannot be allowed but wouldn't punish it by slut-shaming. So, the judgment about the wrongness of her behavior is pretty general, cutting across society.

I believe that's what caused the kids to pick up on her so relentlessly. When everyone in society can agree it was wrong, then the teens have moral certainty behind it. Add some competitiveness and they come down on her with assurance that they are right.

The guy is beyond the pale for them, but Amanda Todd was in their reach, and they hadn't developed an ethical nuance to apply this judgment of sexual behavior without slut shaming. Also, they're determining their own sexual boundaries, their own sexual ethics, and can come down terribly on someone who violates theirs. They're trying to find universal principals to deal with their sexuality throughout life.

I'll repeat: none of this requires a patriarchy to happen.

[Darth_Kitten]

29. Cripes, it was misogynist.

Maybe adult males shouldn't have coerced, threatened, degraded and demeaned this girl?

Yeah, grown men with a pre-teenage girl, maybe the onus should be put on them for a change.

[caseymoz]

40. I believe they mention one guy who started it . . .

. . . and provided they have the right guy, he's going to prison. I'd say going to prison is an onus-- on him. As a child predator, the other men in the prison are going to give him a miserable time. That's right, the lowliest of men on the status ladder are going to punish him because they can't stand what he is and what he did. It doesn't look to me like there's general male approval or tolerance for this scumbag, including from this male.

Men in general,don't approve of him. He's not going to get away with anything. He's not escaping any onus, and in prison, his life will be in danger. (And he deserves all of it.)

So, when one guy does this, you say the onus should be on them for a change, who else do you mean? Guys who had nothing to do with this crime?

Of the teens this bastard manipulated into bullying her, it looks like many or even most were other girls. From what Amanda Todd said, she only mentioned females doing the bullying after the initial enticement and extortion. Now, they were manipulated, but this guy knew exactly how they would behave, and they lived down to it.

[Egalitarian Thug]

17. Because solving crimes like this take time and doesn't have any upside for them.

If they had spent the time and resources finding this guy, so what, they did their jobs.

Now if the girl was rich and/or famous they'd get some press, or if the crime is something that fall under the forfeiture laws (Does Canada have them?) they bring in money for new toys and higher salaries for the brass.

Police departments haven't been about solving crimes and exposing the guilty for a long time.

[caseymoz]

18. But I have it on good authority . . .

. . . that they do regularly solve real crimes. At least to the point that they bring somebody, guilty or innocent, to court.

The RCMP has a very good reputation. Now I don't know exactly how they've conducted the Drug War, and maybe that has tainted their reputation somewhat.

[Egalitarian Thug]

20. Yeah, I don't know either. 10 years ago I traveled to Canada regularly and all the Canadian police

I dealt with were really great and really only concerned about violence, but I have no idea how much American influence, if any, has leaked over the border and contaminated them.

[Darth_Kitten]

28. Not quite a great reputation anymore...

With all the sex harassment scandals, etc.

[Decoy of Fenris]

34. To answer the question of why it took "so long".

You have to remember a great deal about Anonymous and realize the nature of that particular beast.

Firstly, Anonymous (as pointed out) is Legion. It is hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of people intermittently stationed across the globe, crossing national and state boundaries.

Secondly, Anonymous, due to the virtue of its amorphous state, is constantly on duty; they watch, they wait, and when they feel the time is right, they will do what they feel is appropriate. In this particular case, a charming young lady was removed from this life. To Anonymous, this death was considered a worthwhile cause to investigate. The case sparked their interest, and they acted. (Notice for instance the other deaths that go unsolved and unnoticed by Anonymous.)

Thirdly, Anonymous is not bound by the rules and regulations of any police force. If the information that Anon seeks is out there, then they have a fairly solid crack at finding it. In this case, Anonymous could have used any number of sources of information, from social networking to interpersonal communications with firsthand members of the community surrounding Amanda Todd. Warrants are not needed, probable cause is not needed. I kindly ask you to take pause for a moment and consider how many people were caught in the data-gathering web of Anonymous without their knowledge, in addition to that of the bully.

Finally, Anonymous has unlimited time. In keeping with their astonishing numbers and drive, Anonymous is on no timetable. Their work hours are 24/7, nonstop until they achieve what they wish.


While I will admit that the police response may have been lagging, consider what they have to compete with:

Anonymous has theoretically unlimited manpower
Anonymous has theoretically unlimited time to devote.
Anonymous has theoretically no legal or moral restriction on data gathering and entry.

An entity with that level of power in comparison with the police would embarrass the police any day of the week.


(Edited to close a parenthesis.)

[SQUEE]

36. When they get it right , sure.

But there is a lot of backtracking on this story, it appears Anon has already harmed and inconveneinced innocent people in this situation.

[link:http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/10/17/amanda_todd_suicide_did_anonymous_dox_the_wrong_guy.html|

[link:http://www.digitaltrends.com/social-media/anonymous-kody-maxson-amanda-todd-bully/|

[Decoy of Fenris]

37. Like I said.

Anonymous doesn't have moral scruples nor the need to defend their actions. They are the epitome of "Justice gets served, no matter who gets hurt along the way." They have their goal. They will accomplish it.

[caseymoz]

38. That doesn't explain why the police took "too long."

The guy had a Facebook account that he updated with her photos. That's like leaving tracks that lead to right to his front door.

Say he disguised that in some way. It still shouldn't have taken them three years to still not find the guy.

I'll consider that if it took Anonymous five days, the police should have gotten it done in six months, max. That's a high estimate. The RCMP has a lot of resources, too, and a lot of legal latitude from which to act.

Finally, despite the fact that Anonymous is legion, and all that, the total number of people interested in this case in that organization might have amounted to less than ten, as far as we know.

Sorry, the police dropped the ball on this as far as I'm concerned.

[OhioChick]

11. Good for Anonymous

"Vice reports that Anonymous got involved in tracking down Todd's bully after nude autopsy photos of deceased Amanda Todd leaked online."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/16/amanda-todd-bully-anonymous-suicide_n_1969792.html

RIP Amanda.

[riderinthestorm]

16. HER NUDE AUTOPSY PHOTOS WERE RELEASED?!

Really!!???

Sorry for shouting but this is DESPICABLE!! Is there no mercy for this poor child?








I literally feel sick.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

19. Why would anyone do such a thing as leak the poor girls nude autopsy photos?

I hope they find and prosecute that sick person. That's beyond disgusting.

Hasn't her family suffered enough?

[AngryAmish]

15. I hope they got the right guy

One way or the other, this guy's life is fucked.

[seabeyond]

22. so is hers. now they have nude autoposy photos to jack off too.

hey... whatever gets a guy off right? the girl... pfft. doesnt matter at all.

[AngryAmish]

25. I miss your point.

From the little I have read about this it is my understanding that someone got this poor dead girls photos and sent them to everyone she knew and then she got endlessly bullied about them at school and eventually killed herself. If it is this guy then he deserves everything he gets.

But internet vigilantes have been know to get things wrong. Mayhaps we should make sure this is the right guy.

[Rex]

24. Makes me hope Hell exists

for people like her tormentor.

[LaydeeBug]

30. My bleeding heart bleeds EVEN MORE right now. nt