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EmeraldCityGrl

(4,310 posts)
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 02:20 PM Oct 2012

Howard Dean always gets is right.

Dean quoted Ted Kennedy, "I'm the pro-choice candidate,
Romney is the multiple choice candidate."

Dean went on to say Obama had to remain presidential.
Romney has become untethered from all previous positions
which makes anything he says unreliable. This would be
such a great point for Obama to make.

I wish Dean was in some position advising the President
on the two future debates.

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Howard Dean always gets is right. (Original Post) EmeraldCityGrl Oct 2012 OP
AGREED Iggy Oct 2012 #1
For the first time I disagreed with one bit of his analysis yesterday. dkf Oct 2012 #2
There's an automatic assumption Biden EmeraldCityGrl Oct 2012 #6
It still doesn't track the timelines. dkf Oct 2012 #8
The timelines don't track for national security reasons. JDPriestly Oct 2012 #32
k/r Dawson Leery Oct 2012 #3
and CNN saw fit to torpedo his nomination upi402 Oct 2012 #4
Dean came in third the night of the scream. MrSlayer Oct 2012 #14
True, and he could have won Wisconsin in February upi402 Oct 2012 #16
Cough cough Diebold cough cough Myrina Oct 2012 #24
Iowa is a caucus state. MrSlayer Oct 2012 #33
i have never understood Sekhmets Daughter Oct 2012 #5
Obama wanted someone else. dkf Oct 2012 #9
Why did he want someone else? Peregrine Took Oct 2012 #12
Rahm Emanuel, Obama's Chief of Staff at the time, doesn't like Dean BuelahWitch Oct 2012 #18
I won't say what I am thinking right now... Sekhmets Daughter Oct 2012 #34
Because when it comes down to it Myrina Oct 2012 #26
Sad Sekhmets Daughter Oct 2012 #35
The Prez should declare Rmoney has more positions than the Kama Sutra n/t hootinholler Oct 2012 #7
Thats a good one. sevenseas Oct 2012 #30
Agreed. Obama needs to do it his own way. Baitball Blogger Oct 2012 #10
retroactive 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #11
Kind of ironic since he is the one whose "scream" gave the media an opening to wreck his treestar Oct 2012 #13
I wish Dean were still in charge of the 50 state strategy! ananda Oct 2012 #15
Me too! Texas moved a lot b/c of it, now we are ignored except for them to take our money and Dustlawyer Oct 2012 #19
So Democrats in Texas can't JNelson6563 Oct 2012 #29
I guess you would need to come here to understand. We can and will work out of this on our own if Dustlawyer Oct 2012 #31
I support all Progressives, everywhere. JNelson6563 Oct 2012 #36
My firm represents several unions and it pains me to see some of these guys who vote Republican. Dustlawyer Oct 2012 #38
Maybe he is Advising the President, ever since Rahm Left JI7 Oct 2012 #17
Thank you, Dean! He knows how to be Cha Oct 2012 #20
I wasn't aware of this and I find it very reassuring. EmeraldCityGrl Oct 2012 #22
yes Obama could not do what Biden did, i think the only problem was maybe he should have been more JI7 Oct 2012 #25
Another great Kennedy quote EmeraldCityGrl Oct 2012 #21
Howard Dean is great, and so sadly thrown under the bus by the Obama campaign. maddiemom Oct 2012 #23
Especially since Obama was one of the Dean Dozen Myrina Oct 2012 #28
Dean's agile mind and Obama's temperament would make for an unfair combination in politics BeyondGeography Oct 2012 #27
I wish Dean was in the cabinet or a WH Advisor....nt fadedrose Oct 2012 #37
 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
2. For the first time I disagreed with one bit of his analysis yesterday.
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 02:31 PM
Oct 2012

He said Biden's statement on Libya worked because he sounded authoritative when he said it, no matter the facts behind the case.

Nope I don't think that is how it works.

EmeraldCityGrl

(4,310 posts)
6. There's an automatic assumption Biden
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 02:36 PM
Oct 2012

Is privy to intelligence Ryan is not. Biden even made a point during
the debate that he had to be careful not to disclose confidential info.
Don't recall the exact quote.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
8. It still doesn't track the timelines.
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 02:51 PM
Oct 2012

And that is the problem...we assume Biden does know what happened.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
32. The timelines don't track for national security reasons.
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 05:09 PM
Oct 2012

Loose lips sink ships

This is a topic best left unexplored for the moment. It isn't to protect the administration. It is to protect our friends in the Middle East.

upi402

(16,854 posts)
4. and CNN saw fit to torpedo his nomination
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 02:32 PM
Oct 2012

"Have I told you how much I hate these people?"
-Malloy

CNN had the "Dean Scream" on a tape-loop and smeared him ceaselessly.
Worried the money machine had lost control of our elections, I guess.

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
14. Dean came in third the night of the scream.
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 03:28 PM
Oct 2012

They didn't derail his nomination. He wasn't going to win, scream or not.

upi402

(16,854 posts)
16. True, and he could have won Wisconsin in February
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 03:34 PM
Oct 2012

My hopeful opinion only, FWIW.

His money from the grassroots was painting a target on his back before his hoarse throat cuased his "I Have a Scream" speech-crime!

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
24. Cough cough Diebold cough cough
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:21 PM
Oct 2012

... because vote hacking isn't just for the general election ...

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
33. Iowa is a caucus state.
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 05:53 PM
Oct 2012

You're really reaching for shit on this one. I like Dean but he wasn't going to win the nomination and he didn't get cheated in Iowa.

Peregrine Took

(7,413 posts)
12. Why did he want someone else?
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 03:15 PM
Oct 2012

Was Howard Dean too popular with the base and B.O. was jealous?

Howard did great with the "50 state strategy"

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
26. Because when it comes down to it
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:24 PM
Oct 2012

... Dean is a populist and neither if the 2 corporate-driven parties can allow TRUE populism to take hold.

sevenseas

(114 posts)
30. Thats a good one.
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:42 PM
Oct 2012

I love the humor on this site. Shows Democrats have a sense of humor, which is a sign of intelligence. Thanks- I will remember it even if Obama doesn't use it.

Baitball Blogger

(46,709 posts)
10. Agreed. Obama needs to do it his own way.
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 02:53 PM
Oct 2012

Presidential, but firm. And he should never allow Romney to overshadow him. Calm, collect put-downs will be more effective in the long run.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
11. retroactive
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 02:56 PM
Oct 2012

Obama needs to hit him on his retroactive retirement, his retroactive showing of his taxes, his retroactive policy making. "Your time machine will not work for keeping the American people safe, Mr. Romney. It will not work for recovering from the economy mess brought on by borrowing money for war. It will not work for people who died because they have no insurance or ability to pay for health care. It will not work for the American people."

That's not reality Mr. Romney.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
13. Kind of ironic since he is the one whose "scream" gave the media an opening to wreck his
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 03:17 PM
Oct 2012

campaign. His performance there was more akin to Obama's "abysmal" debate performance. So how would he make a good coach for a debate? He's just like Obama in that way.

Which is why Kerry was a good one to pick, and if we want to blame this one on Kerry, wouldn't the obvious coach be Joe Biden?

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
19. Me too! Texas moved a lot b/c of it, now we are ignored except for them to take our money and
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 03:50 PM
Oct 2012

spend it somewhere else "important! "

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
29. So Democrats in Texas can't
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:35 PM
Oct 2012

build a strong party base without the DNC coming in to do it for them? How sad.

Julie

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
31. I guess you would need to come here to understand. We can and will work out of this on our own if
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:55 PM
Oct 2012

necessary, but political parties, like team sports, do better working together. I don't know where you are from, but I am pretty sure it is not the South. What is sad is that you don't seem to realize this. If you are a progressive, I would think you would support all progressives, because true Progressives are the type that try to look out for those that need help. They do not seek to divide into smaller clicks which weaken the whole!

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
36. I support all Progressives, everywhere.
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 09:08 PM
Oct 2012

And have walked the walk by investing years of my life working on local party building. As chair of a 14 county Congressional district I worked ridiculously hard to break the mindset that tightly clutched the paradigm that was daddy-will-save-us. In this case "daddy" was labor but those days are long gone.

Self sufficiency is the name of the game in the red zones. I live in one.

Of course once we started rockin' all on our own we suddenly drew interest and resources. If you've got nothing going on outside groups think if the locals won't invest their own efforts (much less money), why should we?

Frankly, they are right.

Julie

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
38. My firm represents several unions and it pains me to see some of these guys who vote Republican.
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 06:53 PM
Oct 2012

I live around numerous very large refineries. These guys get paid well but work in dangerous conditions b/c the oil companies cut corners on the real expensive stuff (BP Texas City would not have blown up if they would have spent 2 million to put in a flare. They discussed doing it for over 30 years but never did)! Those guys do not seem to understand that they have what they have thanks to their Union and Democrats. Many do and they are the ones I work the fun raisers and knock on doors with. Have faith and just do what you can. That's what Democracy is truly about, at least for me!

JI7

(89,249 posts)
17. Maybe he is Advising the President, ever since Rahm Left
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 03:39 PM
Oct 2012

the White House has had contact with Howard Dean regularly to discuss various issues.

Dean said he didn't think Romney won the first debate that it was a tie. that the PResident did well in laying out things like Facts.

Cha

(297,240 posts)
20. Thank you, Dean! He knows how to be
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 03:50 PM
Oct 2012

a Good Democrat and help other Dems for the party which in turn helps the Country which leads Directly to Helping the Planet!

Bless his heart! I was a Deaniac around in here in 2004 but grew to love Kerry and the same with supporting Obama and Hillary in 2008.

The only thing that was helped by hammering away relentlessly at PBO and letting mitt slide was mittLies.

Thanks J17!

EmeraldCityGrl

(4,310 posts)
22. I wasn't aware of this and I find it very reassuring.
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:05 PM
Oct 2012

In trying to read between the lines of Dean's comments, remaining
presidential was vital even if the President took some hits when Romney
used The Gish Gallup as his debate strategy. To have allowed that to happen
was their ultimate hope and Obama did not allow that to happen.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
25. yes Obama could not do what Biden did, i think the only problem was maybe he should have been more
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:22 PM
Oct 2012

stronger and passionate when giving his responses. but there is no way he would have been able to get away with doing what Biden did as the President.

i saw the debate and i didn't think Romney won either. i was glad to hear Dean say what he did because i got kind of the same feeling watching the debate.

EmeraldCityGrl

(4,310 posts)
21. Another great Kennedy quote
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 03:54 PM
Oct 2012

that would apply to Willard.

"you are more democrat than I am with your latest positions - I would vote for you if I thought you really mean what you say."

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
23. Howard Dean is great, and so sadly thrown under the bus by the Obama campaign.
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:14 PM
Oct 2012

As DNC chairman he really pushed the winning strategy. I may be wrong, but I've long credited the smarmy creep, Rahm Emmanuel for Dean's downfall. Thankfully he;s busy with his own problems and no longer has such influence.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
28. Especially since Obama was one of the Dean Dozen
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:26 PM
Oct 2012

... alotta thanks for propping up, funding & raising visibility his senatorial campaign, eh?

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
27. Dean's agile mind and Obama's temperament would make for an unfair combination in politics
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:25 PM
Oct 2012

I always felt he is as good or better on his feet than any Democrat out there.

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