Let me be clear: I fully expect Joe Biden to BUMBLE AND FUMBLE tonight...I expect Barack Obama to

[LaydeeBug]

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handily lose the next two debates after that, and I still expect a victory.

Debates never meant much.

Make sure you are clear in your social networking...you expect them to LOSE, and it won't change your vote.

I'm with THIS guy, Barack Obama. Yep, his middle name is Hussein.

At this point, it would take a dead girl, or a live boy, and then STILL I'd just be "considering" not voting for him.

(on edit: I fixed the typo in the title. It did say, "funble" instead of "fumble". It gets called out downthread, so I am including this explanation here)

[titaniumsalute]

1. I disagree 100% with you.

Joe Biden didn't bumble and fumble in his debate with Sarah Palin. It was also declared that Biden won nearly every primary debate between the Dems in 2008. I think you are incorrect.

In addition, Obama won't lose the next two debates. It may be draws...but he won't repeat his screw up.

[LaydeeBug]

2. Oh Geeze, really? Compared to Sarah Palin a bumble would have to look like "Waiting for Godot" or

a God damned LSD trip, are you serious?

[titaniumsalute]

7. Yes I am serious...

Whether someone bumbles and fumbles has nothing to do with who they are debating...one bumbles and "fundbles" (as you put it) on their own.

I think you're not the serious one here. Maybe lowering your own expectations in case it doesn't go well tonight. DId you post this same thing right before the first debate also?

[LaydeeBug]

19. typo on "fumbles", but the media is going to label a right wing win regardless, and my posting about

the last debate has NOTHING to do with this one. Please don't conflate.

[titaniumsalute]

25. Your post is conflating

You want me to brand on social media that our guys will lose all of the debates but yet I will vote for them? That's like an advertising agency writing a commercial that says "our Product tastes like shit but people are sill buying it so it must be ok!"

I do agree with your other posts that the media may spin it but sorry. Not going to brand my candidate a debate loser by foreshadowing the outcomes now. I think that is not a good strategy.

[LaydeeBug]

30. No, it's not, but DAMN, that doesn't stop you.

YOUR words: You want me to brand on social media that our guys will lose all of the debates but yet I will vote for them? That's like an advertising agency writing a commercial that says "our Product tastes like shit but people are sill buying it so it must be ok!" <<<<<------------YOU have conflated an ad agency with a presidency. And were we to continue with this meme, NO FUCKING PART OF OBAMA'S PERFORMANCE "tasted like shit". Let's be clear right now that YOU were the one who injected that little fiasco, incorrect by any measure.

Please stop.

THIS ISN'T ABOUT DEBATES. this is about their *agenda*. What does MITT ROMNEY want to do with (to) our country? What is Obama's plan?

That has already been laid plain, regardless of the debate's outcome, which the media has absolutely no interest in a Biden victory because it won't give them the horse neck race they are seeking to ensure high ratings.

[titaniumsalute]

34. Hang on...fishing through my desk for my tin foil hat.

And no I won't stop.

Ok you win. I will go on Facebook right and declare my candidate will lose the rest of the debates because someone on DU told me so.

[LaydeeBug]

40. Here, I'll find it for you...

And maybe then you will be able to see that you're playing RIGHT into their hands, and you should damn well know it.

So keep saying, "Joe Biden is gonna MOP that stage with Lyin' Ryan's lying ass" and then when that doesn't happen, the other side declares vitcory. Just like it happened the first debate.

Of course, I really don't expect you to get it. Here is your hat, in fact, here are plenty of 'em...I expect you know what to do with 'em.

[titaniumsalute]

42. You're like debating a Republican

I never said Biden will mop any floors with Ryan. I'll analyze the actual debates for myself and not rely on people like you telling me if they will "win or lose" before hand.

Of course, I really don't expect you to get it.

[LaydeeBug]

57. If *that's like "debating a Republican", I guess it's clear I won then...

You said you disagreed with me 100%, don't run from your own words now. Don't back pedal.

You're already handing the righties the meme they want; it sets up an IMPOSSIBLE standard for our vice president to achieve, but keeeeeeeeeeeep telling yourself *I* am the one doing the damage.

[titaniumsalute]

60. LOL...you make me laugh. Have a nice evening watching the VP lose.

[LaydeeBug]

64. oh, I know. You're just a SCREAM

I did not say I'd WATCH him lose, I said I expected he'd lose

Keep playing RIGHT into their hands.

[titaniumsalute]

76. Is he still losing?

[Fawke Em]

36. OMG! Your sig line.

Was he really in Townsend when he said that?

I live about 40 minutes for "the quiet side of the Smokies" in Knoxville.

[titaniumsalute]

67. You know it's funny...

I haven't even paid attention to my own sig line in years. I should probably update it. But man GW had some whoppers.

[madokie]

3. I'm solidly in the Obama/Biden camp

I'll have one of the tv's on tonights TU, Tulsa University, football game so it depends on how things are going as to who I watch at what time. I'm not worried about Joe Biden debating the munster kid. In fact I'm not sure I can watch that evisceration as the sight of blood makes me a tad queasy

[LaydeeBug]

9. I think they will paint this as a Ryan win as long as Lyin' doesn't drool and slur his speech

Romney has already gotten away with LYING HIS ASS OFF and they made that an Obama loss, so we need to start hammering that we are ENTHUSIASTICALLY in the Obama camp, even if Joe Biden fumbles and bumbles all over the place.

[LiberalElite]

77. Maybe but

He may not be drooling and slurring but he may be wishing he had worn Depends.

[LaydeeBug]

31. Oh, and I am solidly in the Obama/Biden camp too. :) nt

[backscatter712]

4. Biden's a lot more formidable than people give him credit for.

He's one of the most experienced politicians in Washington, he's damned smart, and he was on fire a few weeks ago at the DNC.

I expect him to rip off Ryan's head and shit down his neck!

[hamsterjill]

11. +1

And I, for one, am going to enjoy watching Biden if he does rip Ryan's head off and shit down his neck.

[LaydeeBug]

18. and if that happens, that Biden 'rips Ryan's head off and shits down his neck', the corpo-media

establishment will lambast him for being unstatesmanlike.

[backscatter712]

20. Oh, Biden will be a gentleman when he rips off Ryan's head and shits down his neck.

[LaydeeBug]

27. lol! I love you

I just really think that even if that happens, they will call this a victory for Ryan. *I* want my people to know that I will be voting for Obama because MITT ROMNEY LIES ALL THE FUCKING TIME.

Honesty matters. The truth matters.

[gateley]

54. Who are "my people" pray tell?

[hamsterjill]

28. They might.

But the corp-media is going to be critical of Joe, regardless.

When one is forced to deal with a junk yard dog (i.e., Ryan), one cannot act like a shy poodle and come out on top.

[hrmjustin]

53. thank you for saying that

[Bluenorthwest]

5. Biden does not fumble and bumble, he speaks his mind...

I note you say you'd consider not voting for Obama if he was caught with a 'live boy'. This makes me think you might think Biden's support for marriage equality was a 'bumble and fumble' when it was one of the most excellent things any politician has done in my lifetime.
I find your OP to be homophobic and your point of view against Biden to be informed by that attitude.
Do you refuse to vote for all candidates with same sex relationships?

[LaydeeBug]

12. Really? I am surprised the "live boy" thing offended you more than the "dead girl" thing, so should

I draw conclusions about you NOT thinking that would be a fumble and bumble? Geeeeeeeze

The "dead girl/live boy" is an old political meme, so maybe GOOGLE THE TERM before you feign outrage? This *IS* a political discussion board...it's a pretty old "tried and true" term.

But unreal that you REALLY THOUGHT dead girl would be okay, but 'live boy' is wholly offensive. Got it.

[Bluenorthwest]

79. I'm very aware of the old saying, the old homophobic, bigoted saying

Let me spell this out to you. You said you'd consider not voting for a person found with a same sex partner, a 'live boy'. That is bigoted. The saying itself is bigoted, because it says that being found with a same sex partner is as bad as being found with the corpse you murdered. You echo that sentiment in your defense of your bigoted statement.
Why do you equate a gay relationship to murder? That is what you are doing.
The only question is why?

[julian09]

6. If you listen to Biden you will hear the truth, not obfiscation

the facts are the facts, Ryan will lie about Obamacare, and be for private healthcare ( insurance co health care ) which is not for health care, but for profits at the expense of your health. Ryan to be loyal to his OATH to Grover Norquist not to raise taxes on rich.

[LaydeeBug]

13. Oh no doubt that Biden will tell the truth, and as long as Ryan doesn't whip out his

Johnson and pleasure himself on TV, the corpo-media establishment IS GOING to label this a Lyin Ryan win, and if you don't know it, you should.


Biden is awesome. I love him. But they are going to make this a horse race for ratings, or to enable the theft, or a combo of both, one way or another, and it is time for us to frame that enthusiasm will NOT be curbed by how the corpo-media establishment spins tonight's debate.

I stand by every word.

[DawgHouse]

8. Well, then you'll be pleasantly surprised when Biden wins and Obama wins the next two! n/t

[LaydeeBug]

14. Don't I know it...but let's not be surprised when we win on substance AGAIN, and they cry, "VICTORY"

for the other guy.

You know they will. We need to let THEM know that Joe Biden could roller skate around that stage wearing a set of deely-bobbers on top of his head, and Romney has already told so many LIES that it won't matter. I am *still* voting Obama. These debates are nothing more than a show for me.

[Blue Idaho]

10. Beware the M$M Narrative...

The chattering class needs a "horse race" to put asses in seats. It doesn't matter if its Morning Joke, Big Ego, or Sean Calamity. They all have products to sell for their respective advertisers and that depends on ratings. Did Rmoney "win" the first debate? Well, maybe not if telling the truth is something you expect from a US President. But that "horse race" narrative sure got folks tuning in to the TV Talking Heads!

Our time might be better spent working on our local Democratic ground game and getting out the vote instead of listening to these TV celebrities and then setting our collective hair on fire.

FORWARD!

[LaydeeBug]

15. Yep. Every word. YEP. They held Obama responsible for Romney's lies, and past is prologue. nt

[barbtries]

16. i'm not even watching the debates.

the lying on the right raises my BP and my vote is already written in stone: it is not going to change.

[LaydeeBug]

24. I watched the first two minutes of the last debate...and Romney opened with talking about

a democratic point, I think it was renewable energy. I watched the highlights of Obama not being aggressive and cringed but ONCE THE GOD DAMNED TRUTH SHOWED UP, it was time to stop pretending that LYING is acceptable.

The corpo-media establishment has done no such thing in light of the FACTS. So let's expect them to TELL THE TRUTH NOW.

[barbtries]

29. what does it say about a culture

that is this comfortable with constant mendacity from its public servants. not much good imo.

[K8-EEE]

37. +1

....

[babylonsister]

17. I also disagree 100%; Biden will finesse this. He's a very smart man

with tons of facts at his disposal. I think it's sad you underestimate him so much.

[LaydeeBug]

22. Oh, I am not underestimating BIDEN, I am just preparing for the corpo-media onslaught

that is *going* to happen whether Biden winds handily or not.

When Romney can tell 27 lies in 38 minutes and that gets called a "loss" for Obama, it would be pretty foolish to pretend that's not what's happening tonight.

Shew, I think Lyin' will lie his ass off again, and the media will say, "Such *style*" "He's *good* *looking*". Biden seemed REALLY off his game..."

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

21. I expect Biden to almost ignore Ryan

and just rip into Romney. With much gusto, Biden-style!

[LaydeeBug]

23. corpo-media establishment response, "Biden is elderly & confused. He thought he was debating Romney"

"Clearly this is a sign of early onset Alzheimer's disease"

Que how Ronald Reagan was the best president EVER and how the Democrats want death panels

[Ikonoklast]

33. Joe Biden is a seasoned debate opponent; Ryan is in trouble.

Look for Joe to get Ryan flustered when directly asked about 'his' budget plan, as Ryan doesn't even understand how it works himself.

He's never explained where the money comes from, he always says it's too difficult to explain.

Expect Sen. Joe to hang Ryan's extreme anti-woman agenda and voting history around his neck.

[obamanut2012]

61. +1

[hrmjustin]

26. I have a little more faith in these two men. But agree that they will win.

[libodem]

32. Don't worry

Ryan is going to shit and fall backward in it. His family got rich on big government road construction contracts. Yet he plays the fatherless child, rags to riches, card for his lifestory. He is a liar. No truth. No substance.

Smoke and mirrors. Oh, yeah, fuzzy math.

Joe can prove it. Over and over.

[Ikonoklast]

38. "Representative Ryan, please explain to the audience how your college tuition was paid for."

"I see, after your father, may he rest in peace, passed on, you received Social Security benefits which were saved for tuition because your family didn't need that money to pay the bills...the very same benefits you now want to deny everyone else. Why is that, sir?

"Congressman, please tell us how old you were when you inherited that $500,000.00 family trust your grandfather set up for you, twenty-seven, is that correct? I won't ask you about 'forgetting' to disclose the $5,000,000.00 trust fund to the government that your ex-lobbyist wife has, no sir, not me."

[Blue_Roses]

70. wow--Joe,is that you?

Sounds just like him!

[LaydeeBug]

39. b...bbb...but Paul Ryan has turned his own skeleton into titanium for tonight's debate...

He can run a marathon in 30 minutes. He has climbed Mt. Everest and bungee jumped down.

He is going to win this HANDILY, and if he can't, it clearly shows he is unfit for office. *ANY* office

[EmeraldCityGrl]

35. This election season the debates are more significant

than most because people are campaign weary. They turned off the
noise a while ago and started paying attention again during the conventions.
President Obama has had to be in campaign mode even during his first
term with the constant reminder rebukes single goal was to make him
a one term president. This is why the Romney campaign has been able to
use the etch a sketch strategy.

Biden is well known to seniors regardless of party affiliation. They trust him.
Ryan on the other hand is another unknown. Biden, who has been almost presidential
of late needs to expose Ryan and his policies. Biden needs to let anyone wavering
to know in no uncertain terms what Ryan is prepared to do to them economically.
To fear his lack of foreign policy experience.

I thought Biden was far to kind to Palin. When she asked to call him "Joe," he
should have said I prefer you not. If he gives Ryan an inch he will run with it.
He will lie and he will attempt to physically dominate the stage.

Biden knows all this. Romney's campaign has been throwing out comments
suggesting Ryan hasn't debated since high school, that this is his first real debate.
Don't believe it. The debates are all they have and Ryan will be a snake.

[retread]

41. Maybe you don't remember?

[LaydeeBug]

48. Oh, it's not *ME*, LISTEN to every person out there today...

it won't be good enough if he just "wins", Biden has to DEMOLISH Ryan, or it's a Lyin' Ryan win. FUCK THAT.

If Ryan doesn't DEMOLISH Biden, it *clearly* shows that the Romney camp is in disarray.

[Caretha]

58. Listening to your "talking points"

I now get it - why old timers always say......."this is the silly season on DU".

[Blue_Roses]

72. lol...

That's our Joe Biden we all know and love...he's awesome!

He will not disappoint tonight. I can't wait!

[Puzzledtraveller]

43. It's a novel idea, let's all root for Ryan in hopes that he dissapoints us and tanks!!!

[Marrah_G]

44. I think tonight and the next two Pres debates we will see a much better showing

The Pres will adjust his style , I think.

And if any staffers are reading: For goodness sake PLEASE tell him to look Romney in the eye and to NOT LOOK DOWN.

[brindis_desala]

45. Excellent. You get it.

[WilliamPitt]

46. Surreal.

[Cali_Democrat]

55. LOL...reading your response and looking at your avatar made me crack up

[LaydeeBug]

66. nope. Media-reality, and you know it.

so perhaps we should set an insurmountable standard for THEIR SIDE and not ours?

I repeat: I expect titanium Ryan to mop that stage with joe Biden's butt. Anything less than that CLEARLY shows the GOP in complete disarray.

[SOSpy]

47. On the contrary...

I expect Joe Biden to rip Ryan's head off and spit down his neck!!!


I'm fixing popcorn tonite!

[LaydeeBug]

49. I'm making 'jerk turkey' and expect to see RYAN win HANDILY....anything less

shows the entire GOP is in disarray.

[Cosmocat]

50. Biden will "lose" tonight

almost assuredly.

1) Ryan may actually "win" the debate on his own merits, at which time it will be a repeat of the Romney "win" hysteria.
2) Most likely, Ryan will somehow keep his head above water and will only be outshown a bit by Biden. This will be hailed a great victory for Ryan/Romney, and a bad news for dems who could not afford to just have Biden be better than Ryan. A win by losing.
3) Biden could lay the wood to Ryan. He will then be cast a bully and not knowing his place as a vice president. This is absolutely certain to happen because in the bizarro world that is US politics it is a GREAT win for Romney to bully his way through a debate, and it will be unseemly for Biden to fairly kick Ryan's boney arse.

[Deep13]

51. I think Biden is bringing his "A" game. nt

[Deep13]

78. Yup. nt

[gateley]

52. Take a look at him bumbling and fumbling here:

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=YNO6-WoC_Vw&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DYNO6-WoC_Vw

[LaydeeBug]

65. You're missing the point. Take a look at Romney LYING HIS ASS OFF HERE, and remind yourself they

called this a VICTORY:

Perhaps we should be setting an insurmountable standard for THE OTHER SIDE, and not our own?

[gateley]

71. I don't need to watch it -- I know he was lying his ass off, BUT OBAMA LET HIM GET

AWAY WITH IT. So most of America, who probably only listen to their local news and don't follow politics like we do, didn't know he was lying and instead saw someone who appeared to be forcefully presenting his views and plans. He debated better, that's the bottom line. We know he's a liar and the anti-Obama crowd doesn't care, so that's what the "win" was based on, his out-debating Obama.

[titaniumsalute]

68. Gately you're missing the point...if you don't agree with Ladee person. N/T

[gateley]

74. Apparently.

[Warpy]

56. The impressions that Biden is bumbling

and that Obama is passive are only the initial ones. Once the pundits have had their say, people who listen tend to chew on what was said and how it was said and assign winner or loser status accordingly.

The pundits will give the win to Ryan tonight, they have to. Making this some kind of horse race is the only way they stay employed in such useless jobs.

Ryan will lie, dissemble, evade and snark like he always does. The real information will come from Biden, like it always does.

The lasting impression will likely be that Ryan is slick as snot on a doorknob but doesn't know what he's talking about and Biden is a doofus who does.

[obamanut2012]

59. Biden is a very good debater, an experienced politiciam, and a scrapper

In addition, he can be snarky and get away with it.

He is a smart cookie and crazy as a fox, and I expect he will handily win tonight.

He actually held back in his debate with Palin, because of the weird double standard of not being mean to a woman/being a gentleman. He won't have that hampering him tonight.

I really, really hope he makes a snarky marathon time crack.

[Laochtine]

62. Joe's a linebacker

IMO, he is the working class hero that didn't forget where he came from.
Go Joe

[DevonRex]

63. Joe cultivates that rep On Purpose. Then

goes in for the kill.

[Oilwellian]

69. My goodness! n/t

[NYC Liberal]

73. I see what you're doing here.

[DisabledAmerican]

75. The DoomSayers are working on different ways to get their points across I see

Beware the SKY IS FALLING! CHICKEN LITTLE!