Can someone help me debate my Rightwing brother in law?

[samplegirl]

Where is President Obamas integrity?
Is it in his broken promise to stop the genocide in Durfar?
Is it in his commitment to allow child care as a deductible expense?
WILL YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT in his first 2 years as president he had free reign with a democrat congress.

[JoePhilly]

1. OK ...

Item #1 ... tell him he needs to be specific about his issues ... his first question includes none. Of course you could say that Obama promised to end the Iraq war, done. He'd kill OBL with or without Pakistan's help, done.

Item #2 ... no one in the right wing, including your brother-in-law gives a $#!* about Durfar. Probably why no GOP candidate mentioned it in their primaries, and why Mitt has not mentioned it as their candidate.

Item #3 ... under Obama the child care credit will remain. Under Romney, its very likely that the deduction for Mortgage interest will be ended.

Item #4 ... Actually, in those first 2 years, Obama had a super majority for about 50 days ... the days between when Al Franken was seated (GOP contested his victory) and the death of Ted Kennedy. During those 2 years, the GOP minority in the Senate DOUBLED the record for filibusters.

And even with this ... Obama has been able to bring UE down from a high of about 10.2% at the height of Bush's Great Recession to 7.8% now (and still falling, see today's drop in job loses). The DOW has gained around 6500 points, not bad for a socialist. And foreclosures are at a lower rate now than for the last 5 years.

Then ask this simple question ... We know that MItt plans to give a huge tax break to the super rich. Those super rich people (like Romney) will take that money and invest it in Bermuda and shell corporations in the Cayman Islands (like Romney). Can your BIL explain how such investments create jobs in the US?

Tell him if he can explain how that works, you'll vote for Romney.

[Thor_MN]

2. Well..

Do you define integrity as being on one side of a position or being on all sides depending on which way the wind is blowing. If its the later, well then Romney has Obama beat, because you never know which Romney is going to show up. Face it, Romney has zero integrity.

In his first two years, bullshit recounts kept Franken from being seated until just before the August recess. Kennedy was absent part of the time. Obama had about 60 some days of Senate time where there was an actual DEMOCRATIC majority, but he never had a 60 seat majority to break the filibustering, do nothing, republican senators. WILL YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT CHINLESS MITCH VOWED TO MAKE THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY OF THE REPUBLICAN SENATORS TO REMOVE OBAMA FROM OFFICE? The house voted 33 times to repeal portions of the ACA, but could not find the time to vote on a Jobs bill.

[mercuryblues]

3. links and all

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/did-the-democrats-ever-really-have-60-votes-in-the-senate-and-for-how-long/



What this shows is is that there were only two time periods during the 111th Congress when the Democrats had a 60 seat majority:
■From July 7. 2009 (when Al Franken was officially seated as the Senator from Minnesota after the last of Norm Coleman’s challenges came to an end) to August 25, 2009 (when Ted Kennedy died, although Kennedy’s illness had kept him from voting for several weeks before that date at least); and
■From September 25, 2009 (when Paul Kirk was appointed to replace Kennedy) to February 4, 2010 (when Scott Brown took office after defeating Martha Coakley);
■For one day in September 2009, Republicans lacked 40 votes due to the resignation of Mel Martinez, who was replaced the next day by George LeMieux


http://www.wkblaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Tax-Leg-Update-or-Obama-Admin-Tax-Laws.pdf



Section 24, Refundable child credit. Under ARRA, more families will be eligible for the additional child
tax credit because of a change to the way the credit is figured. Taxpayers who cannot otherwise take
full advantage of the child tax credit because the credit is more than the taxes they owe may now
receive a payment for some or all of the credit not used to offset their taxes.


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/430/pressure-sudan-to-end-violence-in-darfu/


Under President Obama, the U.S. did take immediate steps on Darfur: It appointed both a special envoy for Sudan and a senior advisor to the envoy on Darfur issues; it announced a new "carrots and sticks” plan that would strike a balance between incentives and sanctions, with a new emphasis on diplomacy; it negotiated a return of some NGOs to the region; and it maintains a host of ongoing economic sanctions against Sudan.

But have conditions improved under the Obama administration? As evidence of progress, the foreign policy experts we interviewed pointed to U.S. support of the 2011 Doha Document for Peace in Darfur, which includes a ceasefire agreement and a comprehensive plan for peace. The government in Khartoum and one rebel army signed the agreement, though the United Nations Security Council and U.S. State Department have said that the agreement won't be fully effective until several other prominent rebel armies in Darfur stop fighting and join the pact.

The Sudanese government has already violated components of the agreement, such as an arms embargo and a requirement to lift a state of emergency in Darfur that enables the government "to detain perceived opponents for long periods without judicial review, often subjecting them to ill-treatment or torture while in detention," according to reports by Amnesty International USA and Human Rights Watch. Eric Reeves, an English professor at Smith College who studies and writes about Sudan, calls the peace agreement "completely disastrous.”


So as for integrity, I suggest you consider where yours is, instead?

[beac]

4. Send him this graphic demonstrating Mitt's "integrity":

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101766040

[HopeHoops]

5. You could start with "I faaaaahhht in your general dirrrrrection."

The easiest thing to do is baffle them. Just say, "sure" and clam up. I love the looks from that approach and it ends the conversation to Nowhereville.