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Wolf Murderer (Original Post) notundecided Oct 2012 OP
I detest people who call such things 'hunting'. Like feeding deer all summer sinkingfeeling Oct 2012 #1
Yeah, but that is not hunting nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #6
That is heart-breaking. What cowards humans are. sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #2
Probably completely legal. pipoman Oct 2012 #3
Not Sure notundecided Oct 2012 #4
The wolf wasn't on Yellowstone.. pipoman Oct 2012 #5
NO notundecided Oct 2012 #7
But there is all the way around Yellowstone.. pipoman Oct 2012 #28
No they don't...federal land, maybe, but NOT national parks... joeybee12 Oct 2012 #21
Yeah, national wildlife refuges surround a lot of national parks pipoman Oct 2012 #32
Probably. National Parks (that don't allow hunting) are pretty by-the-numbers. Robb Oct 2012 #8
I will remember this H2O Man Oct 2012 #9
"No, go ahead; YOU have the last of the mashed potatoes." Robb Oct 2012 #10
I don't get the joy of killing things. People who hunt and eat what they kill is one thing. renie408 Oct 2012 #23
wolves do alot of damage to ranchers littlewolf Oct 2012 #35
But if he lured her out of the Park as the OP claims, that should be illegal. sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #12
It can't be pipoman Oct 2012 #34
I hope the same heartless ruse is visited upon this asshole tenfold. AtomicKitten Oct 2012 #11
I rarely wish harm on anyone, but the murder or torture or mistreatment of animals sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #13
honest question do these feelings extend to cows chickens fish yelllwjackets roaches etc loli phabay Oct 2012 #14
Yes, I had a pet rooster as a child, eg, and it was a wonderful, intelligent creature. He sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #15
so do you kill roaches or other pests or eat meat. if not then you can justifiably take this point loli phabay Oct 2012 #18
How was this wolf being a pest in a protected sanctuary? renie408 Oct 2012 #22
way to miss the point i was making loli phabay Oct 2012 #24
Way to completely not make your point. renie408 Oct 2012 #29
+1000 smirkymonkey Oct 2012 #31
This is about the gratuitous killing of animals for sport. That wolf was not killed for any sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #25
I agree, I sometimes hunt pipoman Oct 2012 #33
a real pig in khaki navarth Oct 2012 #16
Human? notundecided Oct 2012 #17
I wish you could beat the amoral shit out of people for stuff like this. renie408 Oct 2012 #19
What a worthless POS joeybee12 Oct 2012 #20
Maybe I will leave a fat, roasted chicken out in Stanley's yard. DollarBillHines Oct 2012 #26
A real man would be content with a photo of a beautiful animal to prove his ability Generic Other Oct 2012 #27
A friend of mine said somebody should stand outside this guy's trailer and yell "FREE BEER" renie408 Oct 2012 #30
and when he returns fire ? or better yet calls the cops littlewolf Oct 2012 #36

sinkingfeeling

(51,461 posts)
1. I detest people who call such things 'hunting'. Like feeding deer all summer
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 04:45 PM
Oct 2012

and then sitting in a 'blind' and shooting them.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
2. That is heart-breaking. What cowards humans are.
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 04:47 PM
Oct 2012

The contrast between the ugliness of the spirit of the killer and the beauty of the wolf is obvious in that terribly sad photo.

Numbers to call and report the killing of that beautiful animal:

In regard to the Stanley Castagno shooting of the Wolf, luring out of a sanctuary and shooting it:

Mr. Castagno is a Outfitter and Guide registered with the Wyoming Outfittrers and Guide, and their telephone number is: 800-264-0981

Wyoming Wildlife Enforcement, as this is a clear cut case of Poaching off of a Sanctuary, similar to fishing within a fish hatchery and just wrong, but we will see how they attempt to cover this up: 307-733-2321

The Administrator of Wyoming Enforcement, Eric Kescler can be reached at: 307-777-4594.


 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
3. Probably completely legal.
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 05:00 PM
Oct 2012

I wonder how much his permit cost him.

Like it or not almost every state preserves wildlife, maintains grounds, and pays staff with the proceeds from park usage fees, and hunting and fishing licenses.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
5. The wolf wasn't on Yellowstone..
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 05:07 PM
Oct 2012

The feds sell permits to hunt on national parks too. Controlled hunts go on all the time, if they didn't our parks would be much different than they are today.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
21. No they don't...federal land, maybe, but NOT national parks...
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 06:34 PM
Oct 2012

National parks are the most restrictive of federal lands...not sure where you got that misinformation.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
32. Yeah, national wildlife refuges surround a lot of national parks
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 09:15 PM
Oct 2012

no hunting in the park..most refuges allow controlled hunting, that controlled hunting helps keep the national parks safe...problem animals are usually moved into refuges.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
8. Probably. National Parks (that don't allow hunting) are pretty by-the-numbers.
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 05:19 PM
Oct 2012

IIRC if you were to legally shoot an animal outside the park boundary, even with the proper tag and what-not, and it loped across the border to die inside, you'd be in violation of federal law if you went to go get it and take it out.

I don't get wolf hunts, though. I mean, I understand controlling numbers and all, but I can't imagine personally taking a shot at something I wasn't going to eat -- unless it was about to eat me, or was about to eat something I planned to eat.

H2O Man

(73,567 posts)
9. I will remember this
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 05:22 PM
Oct 2012

the next time I see you in a grocery store, and am tempted to grab the last package of anything. (grin)

Robb

(39,665 posts)
10. "No, go ahead; YOU have the last of the mashed potatoes."
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 05:32 PM
Oct 2012

Thanksgiving: no longer a spectator sport.

renie408

(9,854 posts)
23. I don't get the joy of killing things. People who hunt and eat what they kill is one thing.
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 06:44 PM
Oct 2012

People who just like killing things is fucked up. I imagine it makes this guy feel like a big man to kill the big bad wolf...that he had to cheat and lure out with a distressed pup call and shot with a high powered rifle.

Yeah, he's a big man, alright.

littlewolf

(3,813 posts)
35. wolves do alot of damage to ranchers
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 10:10 PM
Oct 2012

sheep and cattle .... this is one reason ppl hunt them down....

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
34. It can't be
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 10:02 PM
Oct 2012

the feds have jurisdiction on the park, the state of Wyoming outside, there is a fenced boundary. If he shot the wolf outside the fence, and it ran inside the fence, he could be arrested if he crossed to collect the animal..if one comes out... There are more wolves outside of Yellowstone in Wyoming than there are inside, but all were placed in Yellowstone originally in the 1990's.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
13. I rarely wish harm on anyone, but the murder or torture or mistreatment of animals
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 05:50 PM
Oct 2012

definitely tests my principles. Right now I want to agree with you, but better would be if he is shamed into understanding how wrong it is to kill these beautiful creatures.

How can anyone do that?



We have their fate in our hands!



 

loli phabay

(5,580 posts)
14. honest question do these feelings extend to cows chickens fish yelllwjackets roaches etc
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 05:56 PM
Oct 2012

It always seems threads like these and hunting in general come down to peoples percptions towards certain animals. The cute ones get humanized or imbued with souls and the annoying ones and ugly ones dont.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
15. Yes, I had a pet rooster as a child, eg, and it was a wonderful, intelligent creature. He
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 06:06 PM
Oct 2012

was so protective of me that my family and friends were a little afraid of him.

The reality is that people who are cruel to animals don't care whether they are 'cute' or not, they are simply sick people.

And the other reality is that some animals ARE cuter than others. And if you want to appeal to the public to stop animal cruelty, you won't get far using cockroaches to do so. But people can learn to empathize more with animals when they are 'humanized' as you called it.

I don't see it as humanizing them. I don't want to humanize them, just stop the cruelty towards them and all animals.




 

loli phabay

(5,580 posts)
18. so do you kill roaches or other pests or eat meat. if not then you can justifiably take this point
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 06:30 PM
Oct 2012

Otherwise it is all about what animals people as an individual find acceptable to kill. For the record i hunt fish and kill pests that invade my food crops.

renie408

(9,854 posts)
22. How was this wolf being a pest in a protected sanctuary?
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 06:37 PM
Oct 2012

It wasn't bothering his cattle or eating his food crops. It was on protected land and had to be lured out by a distress call.

And what 'record' are you talking about and who gives a shit if you hunt?

And COCKROACHES AND YELLOWJACKETS???

Seriously??


Yeah, I can see how a cockroach and a wolf are equivalent.

The cow thing, yeah, there is an argument there.

I don't have anything against hunting. I have something against cheating.

 

loli phabay

(5,580 posts)
24. way to miss the point i was making
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 06:46 PM
Oct 2012

I advised i hunt etc to show that this was the direction i was coming from and unless you can show differently the wolf was taken legally outside of the sanctuary. The whole conversation between sabrina and myself was about people getting all upset if one animal is killed but seem to not care about a cow or roach or cod being killed. Now i can see the level of anger when its a protected species such as a white rhino but there is hypocracy in the majority of people getting upset that one culture kills and eats one animal while they kill and eat others.

renie408

(9,854 posts)
29. Way to completely not make your point.
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 09:07 PM
Oct 2012

You said that you killed things that were pests. The wolf wasn't being a pest. It was being an animal and not understanding the boundaries of its federally mandated sanctuary and responding to a total douchebag who lured it outside of its safe area to kill it. That might be legal, but it is still completely fucked up.

The guy didn't EAT the wolf. He lured it out and killed it and showed off to the world holding his 'prize' with a big grin on his ugly, idiotic face. Do you kill things for the fun of it? Cockroaches carry diseases. Cows are eaten for sustenance and provide valuable protein. Killing a wolf is just douchebaggery. Defend it all you want.

And this is a message board. If you want to have a private conversation, send her a private message. Otherwise, everyone is open to comment.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
25. This is about the gratuitous killing of animals for sport. That wolf was not killed for any
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 08:41 PM
Oct 2012

reason other than to provide entertainment for the killer.

I don't go out of my way to kill bugs either, and often take them outside rather than kill them whenever possible. But there is no comparison between killing something because it has become a threat and killing an animal just for the fun of it.

DollarBillHines

(1,922 posts)
26. Maybe I will leave a fat, roasted chicken out in Stanley's yard.
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 08:54 PM
Oct 2012

6788 Riverview Road
Riverton, WY. 82501-9321

I do not hunt, any more, but I have never killed an animal that I did not eat.

I do, however, draw the line at consuming human flesh.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
27. A real man would be content with a photo of a beautiful animal to prove his ability
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 08:55 PM
Oct 2012

Bet Mr. Castagno hates human women too. To use the recording of a pup in distress as a lure makes him seem a dickless creep who I wouldn't want within miles of any human children for fear he'd harm them in a similar fashion.

I predict he has cursed himself to die a painful death with accompanying loss of dignity in his final moments. Karma is a mother wolf.

renie408

(9,854 posts)
30. A friend of mine said somebody should stand outside this guy's trailer and yell "FREE BEER"
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 09:09 PM
Oct 2012

and take a few pot shots at him when he comes outside.

littlewolf

(3,813 posts)
36. and when he returns fire ? or better yet calls the cops
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 10:14 PM
Oct 2012

and "someone" goes to jail .. assault w/deadly weapon ... felony conviction
yeah .. that will really show this guy ... shesh

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